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texgrill

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Shopsin's in NYC Sat, 09/15/07 1:19 AM (permalink)
I just watched a DVD documentary called "I Like Killing Flies" it is about a restaurant - Shopsin's in NYC the Village area.

Really cool story about the genius owner/chef that has ran this famous cafe for 30 years. The menu is suppose to have several hundred items on it.

Has anyone eaten here?

Ronnie
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    kozel

    RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sat, 09/15/07 9:34 AM (permalink)
    Here is a piece by Ed Levine on the place with links you may want to follow.

    http://edlevineeats.seriouseats.com/2007/08/shopsins-is-back-has-anybody-b.html
     
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      dug

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      RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sat, 09/15/07 10:29 AM (permalink)
      i've seen the documentary "i like killing flies" and have told disbelieving freinds all about it but i have never been.
      if i lived in nyc i think i might attempt to eat there.
       
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        porkbeaks

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        RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sat, 09/15/07 12:32 PM (permalink)
        I'm not sure where he's located these days and this menu may be from an earlier time, but check it out. pb
        http://www.shopsins.com/media/redshops/shopsiemenu.pdf
         
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          RE: Shopsin's in NYC Mon, 09/17/07 9:32 AM (permalink)
          Shopsin's is best learned about through Calvin Trillin's piece "Don't Mention It" either in the New Yorker (I don't know which issue) or in his book "Feeding a Yen". It is one of the best food pieces I've ever read.

          The restaurant did indeed once have more than 900 items on the menu. It had closed for a while, I'd heard, but I'm pleased it has relocated. I have dreamed of eating there.
           
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            dug

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            RE: Shopsin's in NYC Wed, 09/19/07 10:03 AM (permalink)
            a "must see".a fascinating film about a man who after 32 years of running his tiny neighborhood restaurant looses his lease and he and his family are forced to relocate and start over.
            www.ilikekillingflies.com
             
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              RE: Shopsin's in NYC Wed, 09/19/07 10:13 AM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by dug

              a "must see".a fascinating film about a man who after 32 years of running his tiny neighborhood restaurant looses his lease and he and his family are forced to relocate and start over.
              www.ilikekillingflies.com


              If you have a NetFlix account, it's one of the "free" watch-now offerings. I really enjoyed it. pb
               
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                RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 11/4/07 8:47 AM (permalink)
                My in-laws next door neighbor is friends with Kenny and he took the four of to his old location for lunch about 6 years ago!! it was one of the wildest eating experiences ever!! Kenny is a true piece of work to say the least we had a great time!! his repore with his customers was hysterical mostly local college kids when we were there! Its true there had to be 400 soups alone on his menu, my wife had heuvos rancheros and i had macaroni and cheese soup!! I think my inlaws had a salad and burger respectively. It was truly unforgettable and almost surreal.
                 
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                  sunnyside up

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                  RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 11/4/07 9:37 AM (permalink)
                  With that many items on the menu..... Does the quantity of offerings effect the quality of the food? I'd much rather eat at a place with only three soups done exceptionally well, than at a 400+ soup tour de force.
                   
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                    RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 11/4/07 10:57 AM (permalink)
                    Holy Moly I have never seen a menu that big with so many items how would you know what to order?
                     
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                      RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 11/4/07 4:20 PM (permalink)
                      It's a good thing you specified you were a party of four, not five, because then we'd know you were lying. :)
                       
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                        RibRater

                        RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 03/7/08 9:38 AM (permalink)
                        I just watched this yesterday..really good documentary and highly recommended.
                         
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                          RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 03/7/08 1:40 PM (permalink)
                          what a fascinating documentary "i like killing flies" was - i lived in nyc for many years but never heard of/ate at Shopsin's...i hope he's still in business, and someone has eaten at the new location and can report about it - hey billyboy, are you up to the challenge?!
                           
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                            RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 03/7/08 2:00 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Sneetch

                            what a fascinating documentary "i like killing flies" was - i lived in nyc for many years but never heard of/ate at Shopsin's...i hope he's still in business, and someone has eaten at the new location and can report about it - hey billyboy, are you up to the challenge?!


                            I had the same reaction, living in NYC for many years (born here actually) and never heard of it. One website says Shopsins is on Essex St, in Essex Market, which is totally not a place I'd visit. Fringes of Chinatown, mix of LES (Loisida), touch of Bowery.
                            The menu looks like an exploded diner! But the DVD sound great.
                             
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                              RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 03/7/08 2:38 PM (permalink)
                              Didn't the new location close recently?
                               
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                                RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 03/7/08 5:55 PM (permalink)
                                The Calvin Trillin article from the New Yorker can be found here:

                                http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/020415fa_FACT?020415fa_FACT
                                 
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                                  RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sat, 03/8/08 5:30 PM (permalink)
                                  The latest information I have seen about the Essex Market location is this June 13, 2007 piece claiming it will be open "next week": http://eater.com/archives/2007/06/shopsins_essex_3.php I trust it is not the "next week" that never arrives in the present. In any event, I will be in New York in April and plan to stop by Essex Market to see what's up.
                                   
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                                    RibRater

                                    RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sat, 03/8/08 5:49 PM (permalink)
                                    The website is up and says they are open so perhaps that's a good sign.


                                    http://shopsins.com/
                                     
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                                      RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 03/9/08 10:48 AM (permalink)
                                      Add me to the list of people who have lived/worked in NY City for years and had never heard of Shopsin's until Trillin's Book and the Killing Flies movie came out. And I like to think of myself aa a person who goes out of his way to seek out the unusual or little know places to eat in NY. Amazing.

                                      I never did get to the old location, and the one time I was at the Essex Street Marker (pre-Shopsins)I found it dreary and not very interesting.

                                       
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                                        Nancypalooza

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                                        RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 10/10/08 9:48 AM (permalink)
                                        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12food-t.html

                                        So apparently Kenny has a cookbook coming out, and the NYTs Magazine did a little piece on him today.
                                         
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                                          firecommander3565

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                                          RE: Shopsin's in NYC Fri, 10/10/08 9:50 AM (permalink)
                                          Rented ths from Netflix... it was pretty good.
                                           
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                                            The Travelin Man

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                                            RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 10/4/09 2:02 AM (permalink)
                                            I initially told billyboy that I would let him have the honor of writing this up, but I've done some thinking on my train ride home, and felt the need to share.  He may write more about his experience here, and the other events of the day in the near future.  This is long, but hopefully, a worthwhile read.

                                            Today, I had the opportunity to witness the very, very fine line between eccentric and crazy - in action.  There really isn't any better way to describe Shopsin's.  I arranged to meet billyboy, Lexi, and my off-site friend, Brett at 11 am at the Essex Street Market to "experience" Shopsin's.

                                            I knew Lexi was a big fan - i.e. owns his "cookbook" (if you can call it that) - and has wanted to try the restaurant for some time.  Unfortunately, when I am in the Lower East Side, my mind wanders towards my beloved Katz's Delicatessen.  Still, I was willing to forgo one meal at Katz's to check this place out.  Admittedly, Shopsin's is filled with a lot of trappings that would normally scare me off a place.  For instance, it seems that there is a lot of rules - I'm not big on rules.  Dining out is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, and if you are bogged down in rules, how are you supposed to have any fun?  They offer an extensive (as noted above, hundreds and hundreds of items - literally), but frown on anyone deviating their order from how anything is offered for sale.  If a breakfast item calls for poached eggs, don't think about asking for scrambled.  As I have said before, I know that I am not the most adventurous eater among this group...and that may not be the best menu style to suit me.  Yes, you can be the creative genius, but I like what I like - and *I'M* paying the check.  One Yelp review mentioned that the cook (Shopsin's son) once told a patron who asked for a simple substitution, "there are 900 items on the menu, find something you like or get the @#$% out!"  OK...I know the rules, and I can play by whatever rules are put in front of me...so long as I know the rules.

                                            Lexi and I were the first to arrive and we began to peruse the EXTENSIVE menu.  The menu that Lexi had previously viewed - and made a selection from - had been changed.  Honestly, even with "900 items" (or however many!) on their menu, I still wasn't sure that I was going to find something I wanted.  I looked at some of the combos, and most of them consisted of two or three things that I would like and one that I wouldn't.  Not for nothing, but if I am spending $20+ on breakfast, I'm not willing to let part of it just go because the cook is too "eccentric," which, in this case, means full of himself, to allow any simple substitutions.  Billyboy arrived, pre-printed and highlighted menu in hand a few minutes later.  His selection, I believe, remained on the current menu - but, he still chose to deviate when it came time to order.  Brett, unfortunately, was having travel difficulties.  He was running late, and we were stuck in line.  I warned him that he had better do what he could to get there - because if they called our table, we weren't willing to risk the wrath to not be ready to be seated.  He arrived shortly before we were seated and tragedy was averted.

                                            The place is small. It has maybe three or four two-top table, two four-top tables and a three-seat counter.  It took just over an hour to get a seat for our four-pack.  Fortunately, we were pretty much ready to go with the ordering when it came time. The waiter set four plastic cups (clear, Solo-like) of water on the table, and we placed our order.  I ordered the Moe I - a maple glazed bacon sandwich, using pancakes as the bread, topped with scrambled eggs.  I have a sneaky suspicion that unless you specify, you will get poached or sunny-side up, but they actually let me order scrambled.  A minor victory?  Brett ordered the "Greekboy," for which he took a good-natured ribbing for the rest of the day.  This is a sandwich consisting of brisket, feta, olives, and some other stuff.  Lexi had the pastrami hash and billyboy had the "ABC," which was a fried chicken breast, smothered in pork cream gravy with eggs and grits.  We tried to order a side of kasha varnishkas, but our waiter told us "I don't think they'll LET YOU order that....you guys ordered way too much food."  Ummm...OK.  I wonder how they would react to ChiTownDiner coming in and ordering "the left side of the menu?"

                                            Next, I was berated for taking a picture.  I guess I probably should have seen that one coming, and might have, were it not for the cute Asian girl taking pictures at the counter the whole time she'd been sitting there.  As Lexi pointed out, she had one advantage over me...she had a vagina.  Maybe I should think about getting one of those?  What follows is the only picture I was able to take while in Shopsin's.



                                            The food comes and goes.  Honestly, it was pretty good.  I know that I didn't order the most exotic thing on the menu, but we all agreed that the food was most certainly fresh, most certainly prepared well, and absolutely well-executed.  My eggs tasted like real eggs...I am not sure how to describe the average supermarket-purchased eggs - but, these were delicious.  My pancakes were served with REAL maple syrup - a plus, for sure.  There is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Shopsin understands that using quality ingredients leads to a far superior end-product.  My dining companions had similar positive reviews of their meals, as well.  I am sure that they will post their experiences.

                                            The story doesn't really end there.  Lexi wanted to get her copy of Shopsin's book signed by the author.  Knowing that even asking depended on the attitude that Shopsin sprung forth during any portion of our meal, this was no sure thing.  As we were finishing our meal, Shopsin took a seat towards the entrance to the restaurant, which was essentially at my back.  A young man approached at Shopsin directed him to the line of waiting customers.  The young man told Shopsin that he wasn't planning on eating - so, what did ol' Kenny do?  He told him to "get the #$%^ out!"  The persistent (or stupid?) young man explained that he was friendly with one of the workers and just wanted to say "hi."  Kenny told him, "Fine.  Say hello...and get the #$^% out!"  He said hello...and sure enough, Kenny says "Good...now get the @#$%^ out!"

                                            At this point, Lexi has a look of grey wash over her face as the odds of getting this book signed appear to be dwindling.  Still, we leave our money on the table, billyboy and Brett head out, and Lexi and I make our way over to Mr. Shopsin, still sitting on his perch.  Lexi initiates conversation, tells him that she would like her book signed, and he is about the most amiable guy anyone could ever want to meet.  Maybe there is something to this vagina thing after all.  He's laughing, joking and chatting...and signing.  Meanwhile, billyboy is lining up to take a picture of the exterior of the restaurant.  This draws the ire of knucklehead cook son who belts "I thought I told you to put that #$%^in' camera away?"  Kenny looks up at us and says something to the effect of "I just don't know where he gets it from?  He just seems to get irritated about 15 minutes past the hour...every hour." (It was about 15 minutes past the hour, FWIW)  Yeah, Ken, I don't know where he gets it from, either.

                                            In the end, the debate became whether or not we would want to go back.  Sure, the food is good, but - even for NYC - pretty overpriced.  Three breakfasts and one lunch sandwich came to $90, including tip - and, for that money, the two of us who ordered coffee, never had our coffee refilled once.  The general conclusion was that it would be a place to take people to for the "experience" - but, I would think that you could get enough of that just standing in the Market for a few minutes...and then move on to eat someplace where you could be valued as a customer and not treated like an inconvenience, unworthy of the privilege of dining on their grub.
                                             
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                                              RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 10/4/09 8:57 AM (permalink)
                                              Awesome!  Thanks for the report Steve!
                                               
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                                                MiamiDon

                                                RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 10/4/09 11:47 AM (permalink)
                                                Very good, thoughtfully-written, report.  I'm curious what billyboy will have to say.
                                                 
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                                                  David_NYC

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                                                  RE: Shopsin's in NYC Sun, 10/4/09 3:06 PM (permalink)
                                                  I found TTM's Write-up a worthwhile read myself. Somehow I managed to miss the piece by Calvin Trilling, the puff-piece in the New York Times, the TV show appearance. I don't remember if I ever noticed the post here on RF the four previous times it was on the front burner. So, like Sneetch and NYNM and Ken8038, this is the first I have heard of Shopsin's. And I can walk down to the Essex Street Market from where I live, though it is about the outer limits of what constitutes walking distance for me. None of my friends ever told me about it, and I never found it on my own. I didn't know about the place when it was in Greenwich Village, and I haven't been in the Essex Street Market since New York City's Economic Development Corporation took over active operation of the place. The place used to stink.

                                                  Trust me on this one, you are not going to know there is a restaurant inside the Essex Street market walking past it. Sifting through the Yelp reviews was very interesting. Every out-of-towner who complained of being insulted or thrown out heard about it from some sort of publicity. Its pretty easy to spot tourists around here. Different accents are a dead giveaway. There are other clues. 

                                                  Over the years, I became aware of unfriendly establishments in this town. Snooty restaurants, velvet rope places catering to the people who need their ego stroked, and the Mafia Expresso Cafes that didn't want you in there because they were taking bets or selling dope. I can't even remember these places because I just wrote them off.

                                                  I am waiting to hear what Billyboy has to say . But, I agree 100% with the last line in TTM's write-up.
                                                  <message edited by David_NYC on Sun, 10/4/09 3:11 PM>
                                                   
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                                                    RE: Shopsin's in NYC Mon, 10/5/09 8:22 AM (permalink)
                                                    seatown76


                                                    Holy Moly I have never seen a menu that big with so many items how would you know what to order?


                                                    In the Trillin piece previously mentioned, Kenny Shopsin says that anybody who comes in and can't decide "is essentially in the wrong restaurant."
                                                     
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                                                      RE: Shopsin's in NYC Mon, 10/5/09 8:27 AM (permalink)
                                                      Thanks Travelin' Man for the in-depth report on Shopshin's.  I agree with David, most tourists will not "get" this place at all. Having grown up in NY, I don't really have a problem with Kenny's attitude, the whole Shopshin's experience is probably one of the most unique anywhere, and for that he gets a pass.

                                                      BTW, if anyone has a Netflix account, the movie is available on "Instant Play":

                                                      http://www.netflix.com/Movie/I_Like_Killing_Flies/60035199?trkid=222336&strkid=75105402_0_0&strackid=71a8e5e892b0f93f_0_srl
                                                       
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                                                        buffetbuster

                                                        RE: Shopsin's in NYC Mon, 10/5/09 8:36 AM (permalink)
                                                        TTM-
                                                        You were berated for taking photos?  So what else is new?  Excellent report from a place I knew very little about.  And I agree with your last line wholeheartedly. 

                                                        Very much looking forward to billyboy's report.
                                                         
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                                                          RE: Shopsin's in NYC Mon, 10/5/09 11:05 AM (permalink)
                                                          TTM, great, great write-up and I think you really captured the essence of our experience there.  That last paragraph really summed it up for me.  I would like to go back on my own to try a few more things on the menu that jumped out at me; the Hatch, NM green chile cheeseburgers, "slutty" cakes, etc.  It really is a place to bring someone who is open to that kind of experience.  My girlfriend's family has special requests whenever we eat out and my family likes things pretty simple, so Shopsin's wouldn't work for either of them.  I wouldn't call it a special occasion place (unless I was a masochist and I were to get off by feeling tense and nervous eating there) but a rare occasion place.  It was definitely expensive, but one of the best breakfasts I've had in NYC in the six years I've lived here.

                                                          The funniest part of that whole meal was the four of us sitting there and TTM and I playing "red light/green light" with my camera, much to Lexi's chagrin!  I really wanted to get some shots of our food, but after TTM was scolded, took the down low route, turned off my flash and kept my camera hidden on my lap.  Whenever no one was looking, TTM would whisper "green light" and if someone was looking or coming over, he'd say "red light, red light!".  This went on for a while and Lexi was afraid we'd get the boot before we could eat.  I managed to take shots of all our meals, but not my best work by far as they were hurried shots without a flash.  We couldn't stop laughing!  The look on Steve and lexi's faces when we were told they wouldn't let us order the Kasha was priceless. 

                                                          I ordered a chocolate egg cream with the meal and they brought me a vanilla, which was one of the best egg creams I've had in a while, but I wasn't about to raise a stink over the mistake in the order and cause problems. 

                                                          I wish I had listened to Kenny more as TTM had done as I probably would have laughed my head off!  When he told me about Kenny saying he doesn't know why his son gets so cranky, I had a flashback to the first anti-drug ad I ever saw on TV where the dad bursts into the son's bedroom with the cigar box of drugs in hand, yelling, "Where did you learn how to do this?"  The son finally stammers back, "You!  Alright?  I learned it by watching you!"  You might want to check that one out on YouTube, Kenny.  Might be like deja vu all over again.

                                                          I'll post some pictures later and a few from some other stops we made that day as well to the Doughnut Plant and the Union Square Greenmarket.
                                                           
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                                                            The Travelin Man

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                                                            RE: Shopsin's in NYC Mon, 10/5/09 5:33 PM (permalink)
                                                            billyboy


                                                            I wouldn't call it a special occasion place (unless I was a masochist and I were to get off by feeling tense and nervous eating there) but a rare occasion place.


                                                            I think that this sentence accurately sums up our entire experience.  Getting together with friends for a meal is supposed to be an enjoyable, fun experience.  It really shouldn't be a situation where you continually feel "tense and nervous."  Holy crap. Recalling past illnesses, I can assure you that the urologist's office is definitely a place to feel "tense and nervous" - but, not a restaurant.

                                                            As I have been discussing this experience with friends far and wide, one example that I used was to parallel racing or boxing fans.  I think that there are some who really do watch it for the crashes or the hope that one day someone is going to beat another person to death.  For Shopsin's, I think that there are more people going there for the morbid curiosity of it - or hoping that you happen to go on a particular day when Kenny could make the news for something he does/did - than are going there for the food.

                                                            billyboy
                                                            The funniest part of that whole meal was the four of us sitting there and TTM and I playing "red light/green light" with my camera, much to Lexi's chagrin!  I really wanted to get some shots of our food, but after TTM was scolded, took the down low route, turned off my flash and kept my camera hidden on my lap.  Whenever no one was looking, TTM would whisper "green light" and if someone was looking or coming over, he'd say "red light, red light!".  This went on for a while and Lexi was afraid we'd get the boot before we could eat.  I managed to take shots of all our meals, but not my best work by far as they were hurried shots without a flash.  We couldn't stop laughing!  The look on Steve and lexi's faces when we were told they wouldn't let us order the Kasha was priceless. 


                                                            I really want to tell all of you who have met and know me....I was on my 100% absolute best behavior.  I knew how much Lexi wanted to go there, and I knew that if I had gotten us kicked out of there, I would be the social outcast of the group.  When I was cursed at for attempting to take a photo, I really wanted to tell these people where they could go.  I bit my tongue.  When I was told that I couldn't order something from their menu, I almost lost it.  Maybe the guy just got lucky and caught me so off guard that I was speechless?  I don't know - but, the audacity of telling someone how much food they are ALLOWED to order is truly beyond me.

                                                            I really don't have problems with rules.  I don't.  But, make the rules clear and I am much more apt to follow them.  Sure, I knew I was taking a risk by using the camera, but I SAW SOMEONE ELSE TAKING PICTURES.  Too much food?  Hell, the menu makes no bones about the fact that EVERYONE must order a meal.  I didn't think over-ordering would be a problem.  As far as some of their other "posted" rules, I agree with them!  I agree that you should turn your cell phone off when in a restaurant.  That is not at all unreasonable.  Limiting people to a party of 4?  I didn't get when I first heard it, but when I saw the operation that he runs, it really does make sense.  Nobody orders the same dish?  Heck, I wish EVERY restaurant had that rule...it IS fun.  Somewhere, though, the man left the exit ramp for fun and ended up on a very different highway.

                                                            Given all of this, the one thing that you cannot take away is that it is A TRUE NEW YORK ORIGINAL.  Period.  In a world of complete and total homogenization of darn near everything, Shopsin's is anything but that!



                                                             
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