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2006/06/05 16:10:18 (permalink)

Soda/Ice Tea refills

How many should you get for the price?

How about Homemade Lemonade, free refills?
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/05 16:17:01 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by shackburger

    How many should you get for the price?

    How about Homemade Lemonade, free refills?


    What is the costs of your products? I much profit do You want to make, these two things should determine your policy of how many refiils.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/05 16:30:30 (permalink)
    Soda and tea should be all you can drink. If you charge $2.00 you can't be losing money. Homemade lemonade is different. Although I love it, I wouldn't expect free refills
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/05 17:17:11 (permalink)
    People expect unlimited refills, so that's what you have to do.

    What should happen is that a 16oz glass (with ice) costs $1 and each refill also costs $1. But, America has a consumption addiction and the average customer will drink five or six 16oz glasses (making a pig of him or herself) because s/he is "thirsty", never mind that soda and tea aren't actually going to quench that thirst.

    (I think lemonade should have the same rules. Whatever you do with soda and tea, lemonade should be the same. Yeah, it actually costs you a little more, but then you just account for that in the way you price everything.)
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 09:35:24 (permalink)
    I don't expect homemade lemonade to cost the same as soda or ice tea from a dispenser. It is special and should be priced accordingly.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 09:50:41 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by -Tricky-

    But, America has a consumption addiction and the average customer will drink five or six 16oz glasses (making a pig of him or herself) because s/he is "thirsty", never mind that soda and tea aren't actually going to quench that thirst.




    Soda does not quench thirst I agree, but tea definitely quenches thirst. If made right, it is mostly water afterall.

    Edit: I am assuming unsweetened tea here, preferably brewed by the establishment. Nestea and all that other crappy iced tea is adifferent story.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 09:54:51 (permalink)
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    Originally posted by renfrew

    Soda does not quench thirst I agree, but tea definitely quenches thirst. If made right, it is mostly water afterall.


    It really can't. There's enough caffeine in tea that it actually dehydrates a person, making him/her thirstier.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 09:55:52 (permalink)
    Caffeine is not as dehydrating as once thought. Lot of research has been done in recent years on this.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 10:21:20 (permalink)
    Definately charge for homemade lemonaide refills. Perhaps you could charge slightly less than the full price per refill but I would expect just like hot chocolate, juices,milk, refills shouldn't be free.

    Fountain drinks, most places don't charge for refills if you having the drink with food. I personally would have a bottomless glass option for people not eating, in for a drink. I don't like to eat out lots because the restaurants in my city are mediocre at best, but I often go for a drink with somebody in a restaurant. I hate drinking my drink and sitting without anything because I refuse to pay another 2.29 for a glass of 2/3 ice and 1/3 drink. It is just as much work for the server and the dishwasher if I keep asking for glasses of water. Most people might have 2-3 drinks- you can only drink so many soft drinks before you're sick of them.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 11:07:44 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by -Tricky-

    People expect unlimited refills, so that's what you have to do.

    But, America has a consumption addiction and the average customer will drink five or six 16oz
    (I think lemonade should have the same rules. Whatever you do with soda and tea, lemonade should be the same. Yeah, it actually costs you a little more, but then you just account for that in the way you price everything.)


    make a pig of oneself by consuming too much liquid? Are you serious?
    I would think making a pig of oneself would be eating too much.
    But, I guess a restaurant owner would rather you order more food than more drinks because the restaurant owner gets more $$$.

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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 11:11:37 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by renfrew

    Caffeine is not as dehydrating as once thought. Lot of research has been done in recent years on this.


    In addition, there is a time lag of about an hour or so between consumption and peak drug effect. I imagine the customer is long gone before the dehydration effect actually occurs.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 11:13:04 (permalink)
    Why is it that so many restaurants seem to charge for soda refills but not for iced tea refills? (Should this be a separate thread?)
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 11:29:55 (permalink)
    I hate asking and waiting for refills. I am willing to pay extra for a pitcher of Drink. But rarely do they have prices for pitchers. So if you don't want to sell me a pitcher at your price then I get to drink "Free" refills. Excluding Milk, Homemade Drinks etc..........If I want to pay to make a "Pig Out Of Myself" then let me! By the way how many ounces of ice are in a 16 Ounce drink? Two sips and the glass is empty!
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 11:35:17 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by tsores

    Why is it that so many restaurants seem to charge for soda refills but not for iced tea refills? (Should this be a separate thread?)


    I think that's a cultural thing. In some areas of the country, iced tea is so common of a drink, it's practically considered as common as water. Therefore, charging for a refill on iced tea, is like charging for water.

    In my hometown, the opposite would be true. You are rarely charged for refills on fountain beverages, and slightly MORE likely to be charged a refill on the iced tea.

    Fountain drink prices at some restaurants have gotten out of hand specifically because of the refill issue. $2.50 to, in some cases, $4.00 for a 16oz glass of soda with "free" refills. The cost of that soda to the restaurant is so small, it's practically robbery.

    The free refill idea has led to a complete over charging of soda.

    In all honesty, I'd rather be charged $1 per soda than $2.50 and up with free refills. Because, in most cases, I'd spend less that way. With the drastic mark up for a fountain drink at a restaurant, I hope there aren't any restaurant owners complaining about people having more than a refill or two. You are making out like bandits in the end.

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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/06 16:27:21 (permalink)
    I don't drink anything but water in restaurants or at home. My wife and kids consume way too much dirty sugar water (what I call tea and soda) but refills are expected. Charge for them and we won't be back.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 06:52:45 (permalink)
    $1.95 Free refills (unlimited) on Columbian Coffee/Quality brewed tea/All sodas - fresh orange juice/lemonade(not gun item)/milk $1.95 each - pitchers of soda/tea/water offered to tables. Seems to work.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 12:09:18 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by renfrew

    quote:
    Originally posted by -Tricky-

    But, America has a consumption addiction and the average customer will drink five or six 16oz glasses (making a pig of him or herself) because s/he is "thirsty", never mind that soda and tea aren't actually going to quench that thirst.




    Soda does not quench thirst I agree, but tea definitely quenches thirst. If made right, it is mostly water afterall.

    Edit: I am assuming unsweetened tea here, preferably brewed by the establishment. Nestea and all that other crappy iced tea is adifferent story.


    You all can say that and probably provide some sort of science to back it up (because I've read the same thing many times before) but all I can say is in Southern Arizona, humidity in single numbers/temperature in triple numbers, we know something about thirst and when I go into BK or anywhere and get a "King Size" diet soda it quenches my thirst. Period. It does. Perhaps it's the fact that I get diet--no sugar, but it does.

    But you are right that iced tea, when available, does it even better. Trouble is, outside of the southeast, nobody really understands iced tea. They give you little 16 oz glasses that are mostly ice which I down in one gulp and am ready for a refill before the waitperson gets away. In a hot, dry climate iced tea should be served either in 32 oz glasses OR it should be provided as a pitcher on the table so people can refill their own. When I go out to eat in a few places where they know me, they automatically bring me a pitcher and it's a godsend. Brings me back there too.

    Oh, and one BBQ place I have visited in Florida offers to provide a 32 oz "to-go cup", full of tea, when you leave. That brings me back too.

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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 12:24:24 (permalink)
    Hello All,
    I am getting too old, (51)
    I remember when there was no such thing as free refills.
    I hadn't thought about the price of sodas being pumped up
    because of the refill concept. It perplexes me if that is
    true since I buy much food in the drive-thru window and have
    no chance for a refill.
    Shouldn't the price of sodas be cheaper if you buy in the
    drive-thru?
    Take Care,
    Fieldthistle
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 12:49:37 (permalink)
    Yes--drive-through sodas SHOULD be cheaper but instead I think the fact that drive-through customers aren't going to get refills is another thing that's built into the price.

    By the way, I'm older than you (WAH!!!) and I don't recall a time when "there was no such thing as free refills". I do recall there being no soda machines out where customers could refill themselves but that's a technology issue. In sit-down dining, though, seems to me that beverage refills were always the norm (coffee, tea, whatever).
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 13:12:25 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by BT

    By the way, I'm older than you (WAH!!!) and I don't recall a time when "there was no such thing as free refills". I do recall there being no soda machines out where customers could refill themselves but that's a technology issue. In sit-down dining, though, seems to me that beverage refills were always the norm (coffee, tea, whatever).


    I'm only thirty and remember when there were no free refills.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 13:19:49 (permalink)
    Hello All,
    BT, seriously, when I was growing up,(until the late 1980's) there were
    no free re-fills where I lived, (Shenandoah Valley of Va.) Coffee and tea refills, yes, but
    not sodas.
    And perhaps the mogul minds have figured out costs that stablize or balance
    out costs of those that don't or can't re-fill drinks vs. those that do.
    Sorta socialist frame of mind when it comes to pricing, which just is the
    way it is.
    So I am paying more for a soda to make up costs so that another customer
    can drink more.
    The concept doesn't disturb me. Just wish the captialists would explain it better
    to the public. For example, my home insurance is rising because of the loss that
    insurance compamies suffered due to Hurrican Katrina.
    Cynic here. I help business share their losses by higher
    prices, but when they profit I am lucky that they don't raise prices.
    It is our system. It must be good to be rich.
    Take Care,
    Fieldthistle
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 14:10:20 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Fieldthistle


    So I am paying more for a soda to make up costs so that another customer can drink more.


    Not everywhere. For example, in my little AZ town (Green Valley), the Burger King offers unlimited refills on sodas and iced tea (from a machine). Mickey D's, Taco Smell, Rigoberto's (local taco chain) don't--and they have cheaper drinks as a consequence. I guess if the issue matters to you, you can factor it into where you eat. It Does matter to me. I LIKE free refills so 90% of the time I go to BK.

    quote:
    The concept doesn't disturb me. Just wish the captialists would explain it better
    to the public. For example, my home insurance is rising because of the loss that
    insurance compamies suffered due to Hurrican Katrina.
    Cynic here. I help business share their losses by higher
    prices, but when they profit I am lucky that they don't raise prices.
    It is our system. It must be good to be rich.
    Take Care,
    Fieldthistle


    Insurance is a pretty competitive business and runs in distinct cycles. Rates go up and rates really do come down. I can remember down cycles on car insurance and right now we are having down cycles on liability and workers' comp insurance in CA. One of the major costs of running an insurance business is crunching numbers to try to get your prices as cheap as possible (so as to attract business) while charging enough to pay claims AND make money over a period of time. It is recognized that some years you will lose money but it is expected that other years you'll make a lot. Most companies seem to feel they miscalculated with hurricanes, though, because some companies lost enough in the last couple of years to wipe out all the profits they made in decades before that. So they are changing the way they do the calculations. Really--it's just business. And if any company goes too far, competition will force them back into line, but this is a situation where they all know they have to charge more or keep losing too much money. The alternative is to have no insurance companies and no option to buy insurance. That would be a very different world.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 15:14:07 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by BT

    By the way, I'm older than you (WAH!!!) and I don't recall a time when "there was no such thing as free refills". I do recall there being no soda machines out where customers could refill themselves but that's a technology issue. In sit-down dining, though, seems to me that beverage refills were always the norm (coffee, tea, whatever).


    Sit-down dining in NY may well mean diners, and in many diners, there are no refills on sodas, still today. My experience has been that it was the chain restaurant that brought about the wide-spread acceptance and subsequent expectation of free refills. Since I, too, like free refills on my beverages, I guess you can mark this occasion as me saying something nice about chain restaurants.

    Growing up, though, refills on anything except coffee was a foreign idea to me. There was even a charge on a second iced tea, since most NY restaurants did not use brewed tea bags, they used either fountain or powder. As someone who consumes a lot of drink when I eat, I was always cautious about how much I drank pre-meal. It also taught me to drink more water, which I still think is a good thing.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 16:16:44 (permalink)
    One of the nice things about Waffle house is the fact that they keep pouring coffee, iced tea and soda till you tell them to stop. And, the reason I stopped going to Tim Horton's is the fact that there are no free refills.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/07 17:38:44 (permalink)
    The Beacon Drive In has the policy that if you have a Beacon Drive In cup that can hold liquid...no matter how old...you get a refill. The high school kids take pride in how old their cups are, they actually put the date they got the cup on the side. There is a soda dispenser outside for the police who get special consideration on everything.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/08 07:21:52 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Fieldthistle

    Hello All,
    I am getting too old, (51)
    I remember when there was no such thing as free refills.
    I hadn't thought about the price of sodas being pumped up
    because of the refill concept. It perplexes me if that is
    true since I buy much food in the drive-thru window and have
    no chance for a refill.
    Shouldn't the price of sodas be cheaper if you buy in the
    drive-thru?
    Take Care,
    Fieldthistle



    The BK's sign on South A1A in Daytona Beach advertises free refills at the drive through?

    John
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/08 13:23:23 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by John A



    The BK's sign on South A1A in Daytona Beach advertises free refills at the drive through?

    John



    Can't help you there, but the Dustin's BBQ place on Granada Blvd in Ormond Beach (out near Lowe's) is the place I mentioned that offers you a "to-go" refill when you leave and I think their Q is pretty good too.

    Also, as I recall (but it's been a while), the BK on A1A on the north end of Daytona Beach (or perhaps the south end of Ormond Beach--just south of Granada) has free refills. Any BK where they put the soda machine out in the dining area does.
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/09 12:02:15 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

    One of the nice things about Waffle house is the fact that they keep pouring coffee, iced tea and soda till you tell them to stop. And, the reason I stopped going to Tim Horton's is the fact that there are no free refills.


    I did a sales trip across Ontario a couple of years ago and could not believe some of the Tim Horton's locations. I came across one in the middle of farm country at a crossroads; it was the only building in sight. I guess their customer base were farmers as they were doing a pretty good lunch business.

    John
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/10 07:17:19 (permalink)
    refer back to the post i made a couple months ago....."soda cost breakdown".

    punch in your own numbers, and you will determine what refills you can provide.
    but with soda being so expensive, only a conglomerate like BK can afford unlimited soda, as they buy their syrup by the warehouse full, and save a ton of dough
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    RE: Soda/Ice Tea refills 2006/06/10 12:08:08 (permalink)
    Here's a moral/philosophical/practical dilemma. When I go to places that offer free refills, especially of the kind where the soda machine is out in the dining area so people can refill their own, I know I'm going to drink a lot so I order a "large", "king size" or whatever they call their largest size, then refill it as I wish. But nothing would prevent me from ordering a "small" initially, paying less and simply refilling it more often. I see people do it all the time. But I feel guilty doing it. I want free refills--it's why I go to some of these places like BK--but I don't mind paying what I think it's worth because I figure of they lose a ton of money on it they'll stop doing it. Comments?
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