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NYNM

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Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 1:29 PM (permalink)
 I was looking at my collection of hot sauces, and thinking, many other countries and areas (Asian, Latin American, African Caribbean) have "spicy" foods, but Euro-American are not that spicy. Save maybe some German Mustards. I suspect that part of this is the "slave migrations" , but that doesn't explain it all. And BBQ can be spicy, as well as hot sauces. 

(Tell you the truth, I don't know much about Antarctican food, and not sure about the spiciness of Hawaiian, Australian, New Zeeland-ish)

Comments?

I wonder what you think? And what is it with Hot German Mustard?

 
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    NYNM

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    Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 1:31 PM (permalink)
     Oh and I remember when I've been in German that Balkan Curry ("currywurst") /Paprika dishes are popular, but I don't know about France, England, Spain, some of Italy, etc.
     
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      Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 5:49 PM (permalink)
      I have been told.....though i think it might be a wives' tale, ....that alot of spicy food developed in places where meat could not be well preserved.  But i suspect the same problems existed in Western Europe in the old days.  Maybe it was

      a) the spices were there (grown there)
      b) the stuff was pretty bland

       
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        Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 7:00 PM (permalink)
        Oh, yeah.And horseradish.
         
        What about British food, French food. Any known spicy dishes?
         
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          Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 7:07 PM (permalink)
          Spices are not the only way to add flavor to food. Many cultures that don’t use what you’re calling spicy spices add herbs, vinegars, and sauces or condiments made of fruits, vegetables including garlic and onions or dairy products.
          .
          For example, tomato-based ketchup is a recent development. Walnut, plums and mushrooms were main ingredients for 18th and 19th century ketchups and mens’ travelling kits even included bottles to bring their favorites along from home to spice up tavern meals. 
          <message edited by RubyRose on Mon, 01/12/09 7:08 PM>
           
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            Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 7:28 PM (permalink)
            NYNM


            Oh, yeah.And horseradish.
             
            What about British food, French food. Any known spicy dishes?


            Most British "spicy" that i remember from our years living in the Uk  came from the Raj in India.  again, a possibility of not quite fresh meat.
            Some french dishes used a spicy sausage, but other than that, i don't remember any
             
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              Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 8:14 PM (permalink)
              It will take someone with far more knowledge of food history than me to answer this question but that's not going to stop me from posting on this thread anyway .

              2 thoughts:

              1. Spices were (still are) expensive so their use to cover up cheap or past its prime meat or other food stuffs would not have been widespread.

              2.  don't most of the pungent (hot) spices grow in Tropical or Equatorial regions, not in Europe?
               
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                Re:Spicy spices Mon, 01/12/09 8:41 PM (permalink)
                I think this is a very interesting subject NYNM! My knowledge of this needs expanded!

                I know there are allot of spicy sauces from the far east.
                Joe

                 
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                  NYNM

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                  Re:Spicy spices Tue, 01/13/09 6:45 PM (permalink)
                  Thanks Joe!
                   
                   
                  Well, re: the research part, a few offerings: (and I am also finding this a fascinating topic: history, geography, economics, politics, FOOD!!!)
                   
                  http://42explore.com/spices.htm
                   
                  http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/spiceref.html
                   
                  http://www.spiceadvice.com/history/history.html
                   
                  http://spicehistory.net/SPICE%20%20HISTORY.html
                   
                  http://www.fareshare.net/spice.html
                   
                   
                   
                   
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                    Re:Spicy spices Sat, 01/17/09 2:10 PM (permalink)
                    This stuff is so good we go through 6-8 pints of it a year - its primary intent is for Eastern Carolina BBQ, but we use it as an ingredient in many dishes:  www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com .

                    Eastern Carolina BBQ had its origins in West Africa.  I've never been, but I have several friends who insist that the "hottest" food in the wolrd is to be found in Ghana.
                     
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                      Re:Spicy spices Sat, 01/17/09 3:01 PM (permalink)
                      MetroplexJim


                      This stuff is so good we go through 6-8 pints of it a year - its primary intent is for Eastern Carolina BBQ, but we use it as an ingredient in many dishes:  www.scottsbarbecuesauce.com .

                      Eastern Carolina BBQ had its origins in West Africa.  I've never been, but I have several friends who insist that the "hottest" food in the wolrd is to be found in Ghana.


                      Yeah, that's right, so it has origins in Ghana! I wonder about other regional BBQ's and origins. 
                       
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                        Re:Spicy spices Fri, 08/28/09 1:37 AM (permalink)
                        I think that indian masalas and spices powder also known as ground spices like Turmeric Powder, Chilli Powder, Cumin Powder, Cloves Powder, etc makes the food yummier and tasty compared to the ready spicy sauces. If you want to make really tasty food then I suggest you to use ground spices than those expensive sauces. In your case I would  recommend you to try ‘atleast once’ quality indian spices or indian pulses, oil seeds, dehydrated products, ready to eat food items, pickles, instant mixes and flours, etc from Evergreen Exports. They export quality products at affordable prices from Mumbai, India to all over world.
                         
                        For more details visit http://www.evergreenexports.net
                         
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                          Re:Spicy spices Fri, 08/28/09 12:02 PM (permalink)
                          NYNM


                          I was looking at my collection of hot sauces, and thinking, many other countries and areas (Asian, Latin American, African Caribbean) have "spicy" foods, but Euro-American are not that spicy. Save maybe some German Mustards. I suspect that part of this is the "slave migrations" , but that doesn't explain it all. And BBQ can be spicy, as well as hot sauces. 

                          (Tell you the truth, I don't know much about Antarctican food, and not sure about the spiciness of Hawaiian, Australian, New Zeeland-ish)

                          Comments?

                          I wonder what you think? And what is it with Hot German Mustard?

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                            Re:Spicy spices Fri, 08/28/09 12:47 PM (permalink)
                            Although not very "hot", my favorite flavor-adding spicy sauce is the brown-label Tabasco Chipotle Sauce. it has replaced almost all of the sauces, other than BBQ, that I keep on my 'liquid spice' shelf.

                            I have 'outgrown' my desire for 'super-strong' spice flavoring in most of my food. Perhaps as a result of age, but I find I handle the more mild stuff with  a touch of spice flavoring a lot better than the "Xtra-Hot" !
                            <message edited by mayor al on Fri, 08/28/09 12:48 PM>
                             
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                              NYPIzzaNut

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                              Re:Spicy spices Fri, 08/28/09 1:24 PM (permalink)
                              Tabasco Chipotle Sauce

                              I love that stuff too.
                               
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                                Re:Spicy spices Sat, 08/29/09 10:56 PM (permalink)
                                When I want to add heat to anything (but not change the flavor), I use a little African Bird Pepper.  It is about as hot as crushed habenero.
                                 
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                                  Re:Spicy spices Sun, 08/30/09 12:02 AM (permalink)
                                  NYNM


                                  Oh, yeah.And horseradish.
                                   
                                  What about British food, French food. Any known spicy dishes?

                                   
                                  Not too much truly spicy food in traditional French cuisines, but there are a few. Dijon mustard can be really spicy or "hot," almost like horseradish, and some dishes such as Rabbit with Dijon sauce can take on some pretty spicy overtones.
                                   
                                  The French Basque country is known for Piment d'Espelette, a kind-of-spicy pepper that's often dried and ground into something akin to paprika. It isn't outrageously spicy, but it does add a little kick to Basque fish dishes and stews. The pepper is also used in Piperade, a vegetable stew.
                                   
                                  Some sausages in France can get spicy hot, such as certain versions of andouillettes. But this is not the norm. Sausages tend to be rather mild, and it's usually black pepper that gives a sausage some kick.
                                   
                                  In Paris, Marseilles, and other large cities, the North African population has influenced cuisine quite a bit, so in addition to spicy North African food, you'll occasionally find harissa paired with a traditional French dish such as roasted lamb. Again, not the norm.
                                   
                                  The food in Spain and Portugal tends to be quite mild, but there are some exceptions. Many Portuguese like to spike their food with Aji or Piri-piri, hot peppery sauces which made their way to Iberia via Latin America and Africa.
                                   
                                  In Iberia, some sausages can get quite spicy, particularly Spanish chorizo. The spice tends to come from picante Spanish pimenton, a spicy paprika made in the region west and south-west of Madrid. Spanish paprika is also made in mild and sweet versions, though, so the picante stuff isn't the most popular version. Spicy Spanish paprika is also an ingredient in Patatas Bravas, a tapas of potatoes covered in a spicy tomato sauce. Patatas Bravas is spicy by definition, so the heat is expected.

                                   
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