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I guess my point was unclear. Prayer is not a Christian exclusive. If someone is praying to Allah, it only stands to reason that the Christian god would not hear those prayers. It also only stands to reason that the person praying is happy about that, as they were not praying to the Christian god, therefore it would be eavesdropping on his part to have listened in the first place. Praying in the name of Jesus is lovely for those who do that...but not everyone who prays believes in Jesus. Some people (quite a few, actually) pray to other names. Those prayers are not intended for Jesus, as they are not addressed to him. Get it?

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Originally posted by Mack184

I was taught in a good fundamental Baptist church.

As Gomer Pyle used to say, "Suprise, suprise, suprise!"

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Originally posted by felix4067

I guess my point was unclear. Prayer is not a Christian exclusive. If someone is praying to Allah, it only stands to reason that the Christian god would not hear those prayers. It also only stands to reason that the person praying is happy about that, as they were not praying to the Christian god, therefore it would be eavesdropping on his part to have listened in the first place. Praying in the name of Jesus is lovely for those who do that...but not everyone who prays believes in Jesus. Some people (quite a few, actually) pray to other names. Those prayers are not intended for Jesus, as they are not addressed to him. Get it?

Sorry, but it's the same God for Christians, Jews and Muslims. Always has been. Always will be.

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Originally posted by Mack184

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Originally posted by Scorereader

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Originally posted by Mack184

Sorry you are all offended. But..that is what I was taught in church, and that's what I believe, and that settles it for me. I could go on with many Bible verses to back it up, but there's no point.

what church? what church taught you that God only listens to Christians?

I don't believe you. I think you misinterpreted the message.

There are those that believe that you aren't "saved" unless you believe and follow in Jesus. But this is a new one to me, and I've played gigs in a variety of Chritian churches. Catholic, Episcople, Presbyterian, Southern Baptist, Amer. Baptist (USA), Lutheran, Methodist, Eastern Orthodox, non-demoninational and others.

I was taught in a good fundamental Baptist church. As far as the other comment about God hearing the prayer of a Jew namely the Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, quite obviously Jesus is the ultimate Christian. God hears the prayers of those who wish to be saved through the one and only way of Jesus, but he does not hear the prayers of those who are unable to pray in Jesus name. As far as being an intolerant bigot, being a Christian is NOT about "inclusion" it is not about agreeing with just anyone. In many ways it is about exclusion. The Bible very clearly demands that the Christian "come out" and not be part of the world. Most main-line churches are nothing more than social clubs and know almost nothing of what the Bible teaches and commands. They teach an oooey-gooey feel good gospel, that is an outright lie. Christ does not want to see one single soul fall away from him. So therefore, Christianity is very inclusive. But you must be willing to do it HIS way, not yours. So he does not hear the prayers of those who cannot and do not pray in his name.

A religion that teaches what you claim yours does is an outrageously bigoted organization that by such teaching proves it does not follow Christian principles.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by felix4067

I guess my point was unclear. Prayer is not a Christian exclusive. If someone is praying to Allah, it only stands to reason that the Christian god would not hear those prayers. It also only stands to reason that the person praying is happy about that, as they were not praying to the Christian god, therefore it would be eavesdropping on his part to have listened in the first place. Praying in the name of Jesus is lovely for those who do that...but not everyone who prays believes in Jesus. Some people (quite a few, actually) pray to other names. Those prayers are not intended for Jesus, as they are not addressed to him. Get it?

Sorry, but it's the same God for Christians, Jews and Muslims. Always has been. Always will be.

You have your beliefs, I have mine. The Christian deity known as God is not the same being as Zeus or Vishnu. I used Allah as an example that most people would recognize.

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Originally posted by felix4067

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by felix4067

I guess my point was unclear. Prayer is not a Christian exclusive. If someone is praying to Allah, it only stands to reason that the Christian god would not hear those prayers. It also only stands to reason that the person praying is happy about that, as they were not praying to the Christian god, therefore it would be eavesdropping on his part to have listened in the first place. Praying in the name of Jesus is lovely for those who do that...but not everyone who prays believes in Jesus. Some people (quite a few, actually) pray to other names. Those prayers are not intended for Jesus, as they are not addressed to him. Get it?

Sorry, but it's the same God for Christians, Jews and Muslims. Always has been. Always will be.

You have your beliefs, I have mine. The Christian deity known as God is not the same being as Zeus or Vishnu. I used Allah as an example that most people would recognize.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

and that's it. I'm out. I won't be the bigger fool who argues with a fool.

I love when people I don't know, who know nothing about me, tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about. I submit that YOU, in fact, have no idea what you're talking about. But then, religion is like that...everyone assumes they are right and everyone else is wrong. It's one of the things I hate about religion, actually.

Me, I have no religion. I just am greatly annoyed by people who insist that their way is the only way, and everyone else is wrong.

Have a nice day!

Note to the guy that started this thread: (me!!)

Fast Food+Urban Legend+Religion=Can of worms. :)

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Originally posted by felix4067

I love when people I don't know, who know nothing about me, tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about. I submit that YOU, in fact, have no idea what you're talking about. But then, religion is like that...everyone assumes they are right and everyone else is wrong. It's one of the things I hate about religion, actually.

Me, I have no religion. I just am greatly annoyed by people who insist that their way is the only way, and everyone else is wrong.

Have a nice day!

I'm sure we could go back and forth quoting various texts and articles. But, in the end, it simply isn't worth it. But just a couple points. First, I never insisted my way was the only way. In fact, you're the one who made the bold statement of "facts."

Since you feel that I am the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, I'll submit to you one perspective, this way, you can never again submit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Let me preface this perspective by saying that I could argue the other side, just as easily, but since you put it out there that there are many Gods, let me loosen your footing just a little, by allowing me to remind you of the Book of Jonah.

The Book of Jonah is nothing less than a protest against those who thought God listened only to the prayers of the people of Israel. Jonah felt completely betrayed and let down by God when God listened to the prayers of the gentiles of Nineveh. God could not do otherwise. His mercy and love went beyond the confine of one religion.

The problem is that some (and I'll emphasise "some," so that others don't blast me. I'm also quoting an article from a Christian publication) Christians, despite their lip service to monotheism, in fact are unconscious polytheists allowing for other gods to listen to the prayers of their neighbors, hence drawing boundaries for "their" God and decide where and when their God is allowed to listen, act and bring about wholeness.

But, if Christians are true believers in the oneness of God, the inevitable conclusion has to be that God, whom Christians have come to know in Jesus Christ, is the same One who listens to the prayers all people.

as I said, I could argue your point that the Christian God doesn't listen to a person who prays to another image of God. But, you said it like it's fact. And it's not. It's debatable.

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Originally posted by Big Frank

I learned early in life never to discuss politics or religion.

So whats for dinner tonight?


A few folks might be finding a little Crow on the menu.

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Originally posted by IndyRick

Note to the guy that started this thread: (me!!)

Fast Food+Urban Legend+Religion=Can of worms. :)

@Scorereader:
You're looking at it from a Christian perspective. Or, at least, I assume you are, since your rebuttal cites the Bible and another Christian publication. I am not. I don't believe in the Christian God, therefore for me, he does not listen to any prayers I might say, nor do I wish him to.

What I was trying to say (and doing poorly, apparently) was that you know nothing about me or my belief system, so making judgements about it is kinda silly on your part. But whatever...we all live on the same Earth, we all have our deities (or not) that we pray to (or not). What really matters is what gets you through your day, and if Christianity works for you, good for you! I mean that sincerely. I've given up on it, because it did not work for me. I'm glad there are people such as yourself (and actually I was not referring to you when I mentioned people who insist their way is the only right way...that was in reference to t'other poster who first brought up prayers to the Christian God) for whom it works, and I hope it continues to do so.

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Originally posted by felix4067

@Scorereader:
You're looking at it from a Christian perspective. Or, at least, I assume you are, since your rebuttal cites the Bible and another Christian publication. I am not. I don't believe in the Christian God, therefore for me, he does not listen to any prayers I might say, nor do I wish him to.

What I was trying to say (and doing poorly, apparently) was that you know nothing about me or my belief system, so making judgements about it is kinda silly on your part. But whatever...we all live on the same Earth, we all have our deities (or not) that we pray to (or not). What really matters is what gets you through your day, and if Christianity works for you, good for you! I mean that sincerely. I've given up on it, because it did not work for me. I'm glad there are people such as yourself (and actually I was not referring to you when I mentioned people who insist their way is the only right way...that was in reference to t'other poster who first brought up prayers to the Christian God) for whom it works, and I hope it continues to do so.

I didn't say either way. The point, which seems to be not making it across the net, is that one doesn't know who one is praying to if one believes in the existance of one true God. If one is a polytheist (believer in many Gods) one still cannot be certain that the various Gods are not the same God seen through different images. Just like a Christian should concede the possibility that more than one God could exist, if one can't concede that it's possible that any non-Christian is praying to the same God that Christians pray to (whether intended or not), then one isn't much of a theologan.

If I'm confusing you, I'll simplify: There are polytheists and monotheists, and none of them can be certain who they are praying to.
But one thing is certain: if you don't pray, there is no possible way you will get kicked out of a Steak and Shake in Albany, Georgia.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

Sorry, but it's the same God for Christians, Jews and Muslims. Always has been. Always will be.


Michael has hit it perfectly but add Buddists, Hindus and some poor SOB in Africa who prays to a dead lion. IMHO, there is one God but he just goes by different names in different places, marketing if you will (that will probably send me below w/o an electric fan). I don't have a problem w/ the Druids praying to trees or even those who belive there is no God. I also believe there is a darker side...there is a devil or whatever name you wish to give him.

But about Steak and Shake...can you dream of all the garbage these people in this business have to deal w/? Wendy's has some yo-yo claim a finger shows up in a salad, Dairy Queen has finger nails in the Blizzard, and Mickie D's serves horse meat...all absurd and yet the get passed about.

Mickie D's doesn't serve horsemeat. It's said they serve wormmeat.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/wormburg.asp

And Styrofoam® as a filler in their shakes.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/mcdshake.asp

People need to keep their religion to themselves.