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ScreamingChicken

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TV screen aspect ratio Thu, 12/26/13 8:08 PM (permalink)
The kids gave us a new TV for Christmas and it's our first one that has adjustable screen sizes, which we have no idea how to select.  Default is the 16:9 wide screen which means that the football score in the upper left corner will no longer be cut off, but we also have 4:3 and "select by program", which I take to mean the signal will somehow tell the TV the best ratio to use.  Does anybody have any suggestions?
 
Frankly, I'm just amazed by how flat they could make the CRT...
 
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    JRPfeff

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    Re:TV screen aspect ratio Thu, 12/26/13 8:32 PM (permalink)
    Is that one of the sets that Kohl's had as a door-buster?
     
    Go with the select by program, unless it looks weird. Don't argue with the software guys.
     
    It drives me nuts when someone sets-up a 16:9 TV in the 4:3 shadow box mode. It ends up with a disproportionately stretched picture that doesn't fill the screen. It is usually like that at the gym and in hotels.
     
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      felix4067

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      Re:TV screen aspect ratio Thu, 12/26/13 9:12 PM (permalink)
      Select by program is good, if it'll actually do it. Otherwise, if you're going to be watching all HD channels leave it on 16:9. Sometimes the non-HD channels need 4:3 or they look really goofy.
       
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        flyseye

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        Re:TV screen aspect ratio Thu, 12/26/13 9:38 PM (permalink)
        Felix4067 is correct. 16:9 for HD channels. Dont know why non-HD channels even exist anymore.
         
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          felix4067

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          Re:TV screen aspect ratio Thu, 12/26/13 9:44 PM (permalink)
          flyseye


          Felix4067 is correct. 16:9 for HD channels. Dont know why non-HD channels even exist anymore.

          For the vast majority of the population like myself that cannot afford several hundred dollars for a new TV, or the $100+ increase in our monthly cable bill so we can watch HD channels only.
           
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            EdSails

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            Re:TV screen aspect ratio Thu, 12/26/13 10:40 PM (permalink)
            Just a little background, movies were originally shot in a shape (aspect ratio) of a rectangle. When wider screen movies came up, theaters were added to accommodate them. When TV came along, most of these movies would not fit the TV screen, standardized at 4:3. They wound up doing what they called "pan and scan" to show the center of the movie, and just cut out the side stuff on the widescreen pictures. Eventually, TV went to the 16:9 to accommodate the widescreen movies. That also became the HD standard. There is usually an "auto" position on TV's that will size it correctly for the broadcasts. AS said above, some older programs look really weird stretched but as things go, the TV stations are getting processed material that eliminates the need for it. 
             
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              ScreamingChicken

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              Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 8:27 AM (permalink)
              JRPfeff


              Is that one of the sets that Kohl's had as a door-buster?
              I don't think so.  IIRC those were 32" models and this is a 24" LG.  The TV it's replacing will go to my basement "office" and the 30-year-old Sylvania Superset that's there now will be sent off to recycleland.
               
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                eruby

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                Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 10:38 AM (permalink)
                felix4067


                flyseye


                Felix4067 is correct. 16:9 for HD channels. Dont know why non-HD channels even exist anymore.

                For the vast majority of the population like myself that cannot afford several hundred dollars for a new TV, or the $100+ increase in our monthly cable bill so we can watch HD channels only.
                Well said felix.
                 
                I'm sure at some point we'll have to get HD by force, but until then, it's an uneeded expense for the erubys. 
                Of course I'm also still using a 'stupid' phone.
                <message edited by eruby on Fri, 12/27/13 10:40 AM>
                 
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                  mayor al

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                  Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 11:50 AM (permalink)
                  We have a 55" LCD Flat-Screen in the living area and put the "old" traditional 27" TV in one of the bedrooms. Since we use Direct TV the dvr boxes govern the HD choices, but we can select the viewing format.
                    The only time we have manually altered the screen size is when I experimented with connecting my computer to the bigscreen tv. I had to change the monitor format in the computer to deal with the format of the TV...It worked , but it was a bother to go thru the process just to read Roadfood Posts, and spam email on a giant screen...hehehe
                      Eruby, We got rid of our landline phone service..I regret that but it was a budget move. Now we have 2 Verizon cell phones, and the wireless internet, the phones are clamshell dumb phones...but we make do ...  I don't look forward to the time when I will have to take on the 'smart phone'.
                   
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                    Davydd

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                    Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 12:50 PM (permalink)
                    The smart phone is nothing but a miniature computer with a lot of amazing capability. I understand some people actually make phone calls on them.
                     
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                      eruby

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                      Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 1:02 PM (permalink)
                      mayor al
                      ....   Eruby, We got rid of our landline phone service..I regret that but it was a budget move. Now we have 2 Verizon cell phones, and the wireless internet, the phones are clamshell dumb phones...but we make do ...  I don't look forward to the time when I will have to take on the 'smart phone'.
                      We haven't had a landline since before the flood, and the only time we've missed it is when we got the new printer/scanner/fax, and couldn't use it as a fax.
                       
                      We have slow Verizon DSL internet, but the phoneline has no dial tone, it's just internet.
                       
                      When our dinosaur JVC 32" TV finally goes, we may switch to HD DirecTV.  I'm sure they hate us for having an age old grandfathered standard plan.

                       
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                        BuddyRoadhouse

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                        Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 3:38 PM (permalink)
                        felix4067

                        flyseye
                        Felix4067 is correct. 16:9 for HD channels. Dont know why non-HD channels even exist anymore.
                        For the vast majority of the population like myself that cannot afford several hundred dollars for a new TV, or the $100+ increase in our monthly cable bill so we can watch HD channels only.
                        You know, you can get full HD programming, absolutely free, over the air, using the cheapest set of "rabbit ears", from any broadcaster who offers it.
                         
                        Granted, you won't get any "cable only" programming, but If you're like me, and refuse to pay for cable anyway, it's the way to go.  If you can't afford the new TV, you can always get a converter box to hook up to the old tube model.  One of the options available is for "letterbox" viewing, which will give you the 16:9 aspect ratio.
                         
                        Buddy
                         
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                          felix4067

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                          Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 4:14 PM (permalink)
                          The cable company gave me, for free, a box that converts digital signal so I can watch it on my tube TV. Rabbit ears of any kind do not pick up any programming whatsoever at my house...tried that when TV first switched over. Don't know how or where you're picking up full HD programming, but I'm glad that you can! I pay $23 per month for networks plus a few extra channels (Ion and WGN are the only ones we watch, but I also have three shopping channels, two god channels, and a bunch of public access), but none of them are HD channels. For those, you have to have a TV that has the capability of showing channels with three-digit numbers, which I do not.
                          <message edited by felix4067 on Fri, 12/27/13 4:16 PM>
                           
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                            Michael Hoffman

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                            Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 5:27 PM (permalink)
                            Boy, do I not have the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.
                             
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                              ChrisOC

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                              Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 5:43 PM (permalink)
                              Michael Hoffman


                              Boy, do I not have the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.

                              Modern technology.  For those who remember dial telephones it can be rather daunting. 
                               
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                                Michael Hoffman

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                                Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 5:55 PM (permalink)
                                ChrisOC


                                Michael Hoffman


                                Boy, do I not have the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.

                                Modern technology.  For those who remember dial telephones it can be rather daunting. 

                                Remember them? Is there another kind? Wait. I remember cranking the phone and telling the operator what number I wanted.

                                 
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                                  EdSails

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                                  Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 7:44 PM (permalink)
                                  ChrisOC


                                  Michael Hoffman


                                  Boy, do I not have the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.

                                  Modern technology.  For those who remember dial telephones it can be rather daunting. 

                                   
                                  Instead of "Sent from my iPhone", I changed it to "Sent from my rotary phone". It's always interesting when someone asks "what's a rotary phone"!
                                   

                                   
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                                    flyseye

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                                    Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 9:41 PM (permalink)
                                    felix4067


                                    flyseye


                                    Felix4067 is correct. 16:9 for HD channels. Dont know why non-HD channels even exist anymore.

                                    For the vast majority of the population like myself that cannot afford several hundred dollars for a new TV, or the $100+ increase in our monthly cable bill so we can watch HD channels only.

                                     
                                    All of the local channels around me are broadcast in HD, and they are absolutely free.(same with the Grand Rapids channels, I just spent 15 seconds and checked) They can be watched on any tv. You do need a converter box, which you had to get anyway. Right ?  Do a little research and you might figure out that poor little you  need not  buy a new tv, and you are wasting 23$ a month.
                                     
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                                      felix4067

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                                      Re:TV screen aspect ratio Fri, 12/27/13 10:20 PM (permalink)
                                      There is a difference between HD and digital channels. Thank you for the lecture, but it's not necessary, and really quite rude. As I said, I tried to get TV with an antenna when it first switched over, and here where I live, the channels simply do not come in using an antenna. Even before TV went digital, I could get very few channels...it's geography.
                                       
                                      You asked a question; I answered it. Let's just move on, shall we?
                                       
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                                        Davydd

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                                        Re:TV screen aspect ratio Sat, 12/28/13 9:20 AM (permalink)
                                        When the digital conversion took place a few years ago every store (Target, Walmart, Best Buy, Radio Shack, Amazon.com, etc.) was selling converter boxes for about $40 to use with antennas. I imagine you can still buy one. You would have to have a pretty old TV for them not to work. In fact such a TV would not have a cable connector for cable either. The converter box is about the size of a book, not the big box size cable providers give you. Also digital antennas are different than the old rabbit ears.
                                         
                                        Another alternative is if you have DSL or cable wifi (not cable TV) you can add an Apple TV or Roku box to your TV and watch movies, TV shows, and more that way. Some are free, some you pay for by renting and some you subscribe like Netflix ($8/mo) and Hulu ($8/mo) only if you want to. Overall it can be a cheaper solution that paying for cable. You can go to Apple or Roku and check out what they offer. The hardware for both are about the size of a hockey puck and cost less than $100.
                                         
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                                          felix4067

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                                          Re:TV screen aspect ratio Sat, 12/28/13 11:14 AM (permalink)
                                          The converter box I got from the cable company is slightly larger than a deck of cards.
                                           
                                          Please note, I am not, was not, and never will be asking for a "solution" to what I view as a nonexistent problem. flyseye said he didn't know why non-HD channels exist, I offered one reason as to why that might be. End of story.
                                           
                                          This thread is about aspect ratio, not various means of accessing TV programming.
                                           
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                                            Davydd

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                                            Re:TV screen aspect ratio Sat, 12/28/13 4:51 PM (permalink)
                                            felix4067,
                                             
                                            Excuse me. You opened this line of discussion with your own misinformation. You can get HD digital channels over the air with an old TV set as I tried to explain with your own converter box and antenna if you live in a metro area. The only analog being broadcast are some public TV, non-profit, exempt, etc. I get some 45 channels over the air in my RV at home. I have cable in the house with three different TVs from old CRT to LCD not digital ready to LCD digital ready and the channel lineups are different with all three through cable connections because of the types of TVs. It is kind of confusing. The converter box from the cable company is not free if they are charging you $23/mo and giving you mostly local channels you can get over the air.
                                             
                                            As for the Apple TV and Roku set top boxes, those are also alternatives to cable TV that are getting better and better with content and threatening cable TV. My son dropped cable last year for a Roku box and over the air. Netflix is coming out with more original programming and the advantage of a set top box is you can watch what you want on your own schedule.
                                             
                                            Apple TV Content
                                             
                                            Roku Content
                                             
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                                              felix4067

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                                              Re:TV screen aspect ratio Sat, 12/28/13 8:19 PM (permalink)
                                              Fine. You are correct. I am wrong. Carry on.
                                               
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                                                felix4067

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                                                Re:TV screen aspect ratio Sat, 12/28/13 8:19 PM (permalink)
                                                Duplicate post, no idea why.
                                                <message edited by felix4067 on Sat, 12/28/13 8:22 PM>
                                                 
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                                                  Re:TV screen aspect ratio Mon, 12/30/13 5:30 PM (permalink)
                                                  ChrisOC


                                                  Michael Hoffman


                                                  Boy, do I not have the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.

                                                  Modern technology.  For those who remember dial telephones it can be rather daunting. 
                                                  Dial phones are modern technology for me. I remember picking up the phone and waiting for the operator to say "number please?"

                                                   
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