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Dr of BBQ

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Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Thu, 05/21/09 12:51 PM (permalink)

Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S.




http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tacotrucks20-2009may20,0,2209904.story
 
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    marzsit

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    Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Tue, 05/26/09 5:07 AM (permalink)
    i dunno, i see more of them on the roads everyday up here. the prices are much lower than a typical fast-food joint, so they're pretty popular.
     
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      Hot_dog

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      Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Wed, 06/3/09 2:58 PM (permalink)
      I am waiting for a hot dog tax. Some of these people this is all they can afford this is there main meal of the day. Yea Government. WTF
       
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        OzDogs

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        Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Thu, 06/4/09 2:05 PM (permalink)
        The worst stories always seem to come from California. The socialist worker's paradise. Sanctuary cities and 6 figure pensions for public servants. Regulate everything and everybody says California, for our own good. For all of our good.

        Here they are broke. California led the way into state control of people's lives and now they lead the nation in poverty. What do you do with a state where it's easier to get on welfare than it is to start a small business?

        Hey, when their paychecks stop coming, are all these dutiful public servants going to continue to enforce their piles and volumes of codes and ordinances? This job that they are convinced is so crucial for the day to day survival of mankind, will they continue to serve the public or will they abandon us to the freedom which will almost certainly destroy us all?
         
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          Dr of BBQ

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          Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Mon, 06/8/09 12:03 PM (permalink)
          This article is from National Restaurant News and their daily email which is free.
          Vendors drive traffic but rev up operator aggression By LISA  JENNINGS


          (June  08, 2009) When Kenny Lao began selling his restaurant’s dumplings out of a converted postal truck last September, he didn’t anticipate that competitors would threaten his life because they felt he was encroaching on their territory.


          Lao, who co-founded the trendy Rickshaw Dumpling Bar restaurant in the Flatiron neighborhood of Manhattan, also didn’t realize the difficulty he’d encounter finding a mobile vendor permit in a city that doesn’t issue them anymore, the challenge of ensuring all employees have licenses whether or not they handle food, or the expense of building a kitchen on wheels.
          But even as some communities begin to view mobile food vendors as nuisances leading to crowds and litter, and alleged black markets for permits develop in cities such as New York, the trucks have captured the hearts of consumers. As such, operators still are racing to get into the game despite regulatory and competitive speed bumps and startup costs that can range from $20,000 to $160,000.


          Among them are Mary Sue Milliken and Susan Feniger, who in late June plan to launch a high-end taco truck from their upscale Mexican restaurant, Border Grill in Santa Monica, Calif. The truck will make street runs throughout the city—with alerts on Twitter for followers to find it—and be available for party bookings.


          “It’s something that we wanted to do for three or four years, but it wasn’t a priority,” Milliken said. “What lit the fire was learning about all these other trucks that were happening out there.”
          The partners initially are leasing the truck to test the idea before they consider buying a truck, she said. The menu will be grab-and-go, including tacos, quesadillas, tortas and a Caesar salad, as well as ceviche in corn tortilla cones.


          Prices will be lower than those at the restaurant. Tacos from the truck, for example, will start at about $2 each, whereas a two-taco plate at lunch in the restaurant ranges from $9.50 to $11.95.


          The truck will be a marketing tool for the restaurant, she said. The question remains, however, whether it will make any money.
          “My goal is just to break even,” Milliken said. “But the response from the public has been so outstanding, I can’t imagine that we won’t be able to make this work.”


          Food vendors in Los Angeles County must obtain specific permits for a “mobile food facility,” which costs about $340, plus the annual licensing fee of $695.
          Among the requirements, restaurant operators can prepare food in their brick-and-mortar kitchens and load the truck, but they must still rent parking space at a commissary to clean their trucks and empty wastewater. Those without restaurants must prepare food in a commissary.


          In Los Angeles, trucks that stop in one spot for more than two hours must demonstrate that customers have access to a restroom that meets safety codes, according to health department officials. That rule, however, is enforced by local law enforcement.


          Rules also vary by jurisdiction. For instance, the Kogi truck, which specializes in Korean tacos and has made headlines nationwide with its Twitter tweets and cultlike following, reportedly was temporarily banned from Orange County, just south of Los Angeles, because the truck didn’t have the required permits specific to that county.


          Even in Los Angeles County, vendors must do their research to find out where they would need additional permits within the county’s 88 incorporated cities, like Beverly Hills, which many vendors describe as a “no-go zone” where food trucks are not welcome.
          “A lot of cities are more strict, they don’t want roach coaches,” said Young Chang, owner of a href="http://www.yurijapanesecafe.com/">Yuri Japanese Café in Los Angeles. “But they want trucks like ours. It’s trendy.”


          Chang launched a truck in early spring offering the restaurant’s top-selling rice bowls with steak, chicken or tofu, as well as spicy red-tuna rolls wrapped in sesame leaves.


          “So many people came into the restaurant and asked when I was going to open another location, so I thought, if I get my brand on a truck, I can go to them,” he said.


          Chang is also leasing his truck and, he said, so far, it has cost him less than $20,000 to get on the road.


          In New York, however, vendors say mobilizing a truck is considerably more expensive, in part because permits are so difficult to get.


          Vendors say the city is issuing no new permits to keep the number of food truck and cart vendors under control. Operators can get on a waiting list, but many instead lease permits from out-of-business operators.

          Thomas DeGeest, owner of the Wafels and Dinges trucks in Manhattan, offering Belgian waffles, or wafels, said a black market is developing for two-year permits, which typically range in price from $10,000 to $15,000.
          “A lot of run-of-the-mill vendors are being priced out of the market,” he said.


          Business is going well for DeGeest, commonly known as “the Wafel Guy,” who recently launched his second truck. Unlike the first, a 1968 step van prone to mechanical failures, the new truck is a state-of-the-art vehicle, with a custom-built kitchen with wafel ovens, service windows on both sides, awnings that flip up into menu boards, and built-in wall speakers to play satellite radio music at events.


          DeGeest said the truck cost about $10,000, and close to another $25,000 to customize.


          Beyond the expense of the trucks and permits, vendors say, the unwritten rules of the road can be even more difficult to navigate, as trucks battle for territory, and mobile vendors square off with brick-and-mortar operators who don’t appreciate the competition.


          DeGeest said he generally makes a point of not stopping his truck near restaurants and vendors in general try to avoid congregating in areas that could draw the wrath of restaurateurs who might complain to city officials.


          Lao, of Rickshaw Dumplings, said he requires his staff to make a production of sweeping the truck stop site before and after doing business there, and taking all garbage with them when they leave, to avoid complaints by local residents.


          In San Francisco, permit requirements vary, depending on whether the vendor parks on public or private property. City ordinances prohibit trucks from operating too close to schools.


          Portland, Ore., on the other hand, has a vibrant mobile food scene, and though health officials strictly regulate and inspect mobile food vendors, the businesses are welcomed. Some parking lot owners invite vendors to park on certain days to create a food court on wheels, health officials said.
          Bo Kwon, owner of Koi Fusion PDX, a truck offering Korean tacos similar to Kogi, launched his business last month, after spending about $90,000 on his truck. He hopes to get a second truck on the road within six months, and, eventually, open a restaurant.


          “With the economy, this has become an outlet for a lot of chefs these days,” said Kwon. “My goal isn’t necessarily about revenue, but to create my brand and identity.—ljenning@nrn.com


           
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            ann peeples

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            Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Mon, 06/8/09 1:31 PM (permalink)
            I am not sure about the rest of the country, but taco trucks are alive and well in the near south side of Milwaukee.
             
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              Bandini

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              Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Tue, 08/11/09 8:22 PM (permalink)
              OzDogs


              The worst stories always seem to come from California. The socialist worker's paradise. Sanctuary cities and 6 figure pensions for public servants. Regulate everything and everybody says California, for our own good. For all of our good.

              Here they are broke. California led the way into state control of people's lives and now they lead the nation in poverty. What do you do with a state where it's easier to get on welfare than it is to start a small business?

              Hey, when their paychecks stop coming, are all these dutiful public servants going to continue to enforce their piles and volumes of codes and ordinances? This job that they are convinced is so crucial for the day to day survival of mankind, will they continue to serve the public or will they abandon us to the freedom which will almost certainly destroy us all?
               

              where do you get your information? 

              California does not lead the nation in poverty. California is 23rd.

              Mississippi leads the nation in poverty rate.

              it's the red states with the most poverty.

              http://www.nccbuscc.org/cchd/povertyusa/map.htm


               
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                T_Money

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                Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Wed, 08/12/09 1:39 AM (permalink)
                I think he meant poverty of the state.  Can't think of any poorer than bankrupt (oh wait we have a what, 4 trillion dollar deficit).
                 
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                  Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Wed, 08/12/09 7:15 AM (permalink)
                  T_Money


                  I think he meant poverty of the state.  Can't think of any poorer than bankrupt (oh wait we have a what, 4 trillion dollar deficit).


                  Wasn't Kansas one of the other States issuing IOU's? I guess you mean poverty of the state.
                   
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                    Bandini

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                    Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Wed, 08/12/09 4:21 PM (permalink)
                    T_Money


                    I think he meant poverty of the state.  Can't think of any poorer than bankrupt (oh wait we have a what, 4 trillion dollar deficit).
                     

                    no, he was spreading right wing misinformation




                     
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                      Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Wed, 06/1/11 8:29 PM (permalink)
                      This is an old thread, but a new issue for me. I bought my Cali style Taco truck from some folks who moved it to Connecticut. Now its in Maine and no-one knows what I am talking about when I go into town offices for permits. We need property owner permission before we get a vendors license. One code enforcement officer even tried to tell me it would require the prop owner to request a change of use from the town before he would allow us to sell from an empty parking area infront of a closed store. A couple of towns are down with us parking on the street, but others, are mega paranoid. Its good to be cautious but this is bordering on xenophobic. I just want to bring yummy authentic tacos to a public tired of hot dogs and sliders.
                       
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                        ces1948

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                        Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Wed, 06/1/11 11:19 PM (permalink)
                        Well you there is something to be said for restaurant operators who have invested a s*itload in their brick and mortar places only to be undercut by someone pulling up in a truck. Or does no one here agree with that point?
                         
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                          MarcoLoco

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                          Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Thu, 06/2/11 7:23 PM (permalink)
                          Owned a restaurant for 13 years. sold it 5 years ago. when someone new was opening a place I did get nervous , but it made me focus that much more on my own quality, and creativity. If someone wants my tacos because hey can grab and go and they are better than any others, well,,,thats what free market is about. I have a hot dog vendor trying to keep me from operating near him. dude, I am not trying to do a better hot dog. Just offering an alternative
                           
                           
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                            BackAlleyBurger

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                            Re:Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S. Thu, 06/2/11 11:56 PM (permalink)
                            ces1948
                            Well you there is something to be said for restaurant operators who have invested a s*itload in their brick and mortar places only to be undercut by someone pulling up in a truck. Or does no one here agree with that point?

                             
                            why should a truck be treated any differently then a building ???  if someone opened up right next to you would you expect the city your in to cause them 10 tons of headaches just to help you sleep better at night???
                             
                            think of it like this..... the truck has wheels, he may very well leave your area after a short while then he is no longer your headache.... but the guy across the street will be there every day guaranteed.......
                             
                            depending on my driving habits im going to burn 40 bucks a day in gas......thats 1200 a month
                            insurance is going to be another 100 a month
                            i will have to pay the same "big" insurance as you, maybe another 100 a month
                            i have to deal with the HD same as you
                            commissary will run me average 200 a month 
                            i have to wash and wax to the tune of about 100 a month
                            gas for my genset we will say 300 a month
                             
                            now im sure i have left something off of here, but just this has me around 2 grand a month just to keep the doors open........
                            thats after spending the same you do on equipment that i need, plus all the custom charges there will be/has been so far.....
                            im surely a smaller operation then you, so yes, obviously some of my costs would be less in some areas
                            i am doing this with the forethought of "hit and run" mobility during the day, and just plain mobility on nights and weekends.....
                            who are you to say i dont have the chance to do for mine like you are doing for yours?? just because im trying something different doesnt give you the right to complain about.....(to the city, on here, etc..)
                             
                            my suggestion is...... if you see me coming, make sure your food is better then mine, and your service friendlier...... you already have me beat on giving them somewhere to sit and cool off, so what more do you want ??
                            honestly, im not really looking to win over your customers....im in it to win over my own customers  
                             
                            about the only thing i really win out on is property tax......
                             
                            oohh, i doubt also we would even have close to the same menus, so "undercutting" isnt a big arguing factor i dont think..... my sandwiches will be from 4-6 bucks, and drinks from 1.50-4 bucks......
                            if your selling a sandwich for much more then 6, then we really dont have the same core clientel the way i see it
                            <message edited by BackAlleyBurger on Fri, 06/3/11 12:08 AM>
                             
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