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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/08/19 17:12:48 (permalink)
Last Sunday night my wife and I cheesesteaks that we both thought were among the best we ever had. We were really surprised because we didn't expect anything special. We didn't get them from a place well known for its cheesesteaks or even from an ordinary steak or hoagie shop..We got them at the C-View Tavern on Texas Av. in Cape May, NJ. They were loaded with meat and lots of melted American cheese. The roll wasn't an Amoroso's but it was just about as good.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 14:39:24 (permalink)
The last time I was in Philly, a couple of locals dragged me out to South Street for what they told me would be the best cheesesteak I'd ever had. I can't even remember which shop it was (too many years under the belt), but I wasn't impressed. My favorite steak is still Sonia's Kitchen in downtown San Jose, CA of all places. Greasy, but not too wet, with onions, peppers and provolone on fresh bread. The Philly version these fellows subjected me to was dry and overcooked in a county fair sort of way. The walls of the shop were covered with pictures of famous people enjoying these famous sandwiches, although I can't imagine why.
I've traveled all around the country and I'm forever hearing people talk about their "native" foods as superior. For example, after all the hype by transplanted east-coasters, when I had my first Tasty Kake it was a tremendous disappointment. It's a friggin' Zinger, people! Just like my Mom put in my lunchbox in grade school! This is certainly not an "east coast only" affliction, but it seems more prevalent among the fans of Hellman's mayonnaise and Nathan's hot dogs than others.
Sorry, that was a rant. Anyway, I probably just got the ass-end of the meat that night. However, it made me really crave a Sonia's cheesesteak and it made me a little homesick in the process.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 16:29:01 (permalink)
My two fave cheesesteak places are Johns on Snyder and Tony Luke's both in Philly.........I really think both places serve a much better product than the two more famous places there.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 16:29:26 (permalink)
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Originally posted by capnhank

The last time I was in Philly, a couple of locals dragged me out to South Street for what they told me would be the best cheesesteak I'd ever had. I can't even remember which shop it was (too many years under the belt), but I wasn't impressed. My favorite steak is still Sonia's Kitchen in downtown San Jose, CA of all places. Greasy, but not too wet, with onions, peppers and provolone on fresh bread. The Philly version these fellows subjected me to was dry and overcooked in a county fair sort of way. The walls of the shop were covered with pictures of famous people enjoying these famous sandwiches, although I can't imagine why.
I've traveled all around the country and I'm forever hearing people talk about their "native" foods as superior. For example, after all the hype by transplanted east-coasters, when I had my first Tasty Kake it was a tremendous disappointment. It's a friggin' Zinger, people! Just like my Mom put in my lunchbox in grade school! This is certainly not an "east coast only" affliction, but it seems more prevalent among the fans of Hellman's mayonnaise and Nathan's hot dogs than others.
Sorry, that was a rant. Anyway, I probably just got the ass-end of the meat that night. However, it made me really crave a Sonia's cheesesteak and it made me a little homesick in the process.


All I know is the last time I had a cheesesteak out west, the roll had the consistency of wonder bread, the meat tasted like frozen minute steak and the onions and peppers tasted like they were boiled instead of fried...........It was utterly disgusting
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 16:31:31 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Bushie

Pat's is KING. I don't know why anyone would want to "try something different". I've tried a bunch around the country (out of necessity), and nothing else even comes close. (Although I maybe should have tried others in Philly besides Geno's, but again, WHY?) Once you've had perfection, you just know it.


Hey Bushie.......sorry to ruin your day but you must try the two places that I wrote on before you make your final decision. In my humble opinion, Geno's is not "perfection"!
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 16:58:29 (permalink)
Well, thanks a lot, Katie! My day was going PERFECT up till now!

Actually, I meant that Pat's is perfection. I tried Geno's once, then went back to Pat's.

That being said, I admittedly never gave anywhere else a chance. On my first trip to Philly years ago, I ate at Pat's and it was one of the most heavenly tastes I've ever experienced. Thus my statement about "why try anything else". I've eaten at Pat's about 10 times over the years.

I'm already making plans to swing up to Philly next summer, and barring some major change of events, I'll be able to sample some of the other places.

CheeseWit has promised to take us on a "cheesesteak tour", and I am certain I will leave a better person! Thanks for the tips!
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 17:38:00 (permalink)
In Kansas City(just east of KU Med center) d'Bronx makes the real deal, #33 on the menu.LOADED thin sliced tender beef on great bread with onions, peppers any your choice of cheese. The place is run by a transplanted New York family. Their pizza is awesome.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 18:08:06 (permalink)
I'll admit that I really only know the big 3 in Philly: Pat's, Geno's and Jim's. For my money, Jim's completely blows away the other two in landslide proportions. That said, I know others who say the same for Pat's versus Jim's. That's what makes Roadfood -- and life, I suppose -- so fun. There's no such thing as the "right" or "wrong" answer. Except for Jim's vs. Pat's, of course.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/10 19:38:42 (permalink)
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Originally posted by wanderingjew
All I know is the last time I had a cheesesteak out west, the roll had the consistency of wonder bread, the meat tasted like frozen minute steak and the onions and peppers tasted like they were boiled instead of fried...........It was utterly disgusting


Touche!
I've had those, too. Sounds like the one I had in Philly, except the bread was stale rather than squishy. I guess every coast has its bad food.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/11 13:23:40 (permalink)
I finally made it on over to Chick's in Cherry Hill about 2 weeks ago. I have to say that Gaetano's still has the throne. As for Pat's and Geno's, not even in the same stratosphere as Gaetano's. Chick's comes pretty close, but Gaetano's is still the best. Mama's in Bala Cynwyd also edges out Chick's.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/09/30 15:13:32 (permalink)
Originally posted by Sundancer7

I was at the place on the corner at South street when Bill Clinton was there. After he left and the crowd cleared, I went in. It was my first Philly Cheese steak. I watched them used the thin sliced steak. It ws a meal. Not much to look at and hardly any place to sit, but they told me that he was the original. I do not know, but it was good and greasy. Neat street also with a lot of shops and pretty close to the Italian Market where the huge cheese blobs hang from the ceiling.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Your description sounds like Jim's.

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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/01 16:45:08 (permalink)
Nobody will ever beat Pat's or Geno's after spending four years in Philly attending college. I literally ate 150 -200 steaks averaging one a week Closest thing I can get where I live in South Florida is steaks from Jon Smith Subs. Meat and hoagie roll is exact but they use provolone instead of Whiz. Pretty close Pat's cheese steak sandwich can also be found at Jenkinson's in Pt. Pleasant Beach, NJ during the summer season.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/01 17:23:02 (permalink)
Craig,

Where is Jon Smith Subs. Sounds like my kind of place. At Pat's my order is for Provy wit.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/12 22:16:14 (permalink)
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Originally posted by chezkatie

My two fave cheesesteak places are Johns on Snyder and Tony Luke's both in Philly.........I really think both places serve a much better product than the two more famous places there.


I've never had a Cheesesteak at Tony Luke's because I can never get myself to order anything but the Roast Pork Italienne. No matter how hard I try, whenever I get to the front of the line, the same order comes out -- it's soooo good!

My lament about John's is even sadder -- I never get to eat there because it's not open on the weekend! I'm seriously considering a day off just to try their Roast Pork, which some say is better than Tony Luke's! (Although that's hard to imagine!)

For Cheesesteaks, my current fave is still Steve's (the one on Bustleton), especially since they opened the 24-hour drive-through Krispy Kreme around the corner on Cottman.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/13 08:29:45 (permalink)
Once again the age-old argument of which cheesesteak is best. It is an argument of personal preference. Some like cheese whiz on their steak, others prefer provolone or american cheese. Some like the meat chopped while others like the meat left in wafer thin slices. There are wonderful purveyors of every style in the Philly area. I have tried them all and continue to search out the new "best cheesesteaks".

I have offered anyone who cares to, a cheesesteak tour. We will go to a good number of shops and taste the various differences. You will understand the subtle nuances that only a cheesesteak aficianado can reveal.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/13 09:44:58 (permalink)
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. . . I have offered anyone who cares to, a cheesesteak tour. We will go to a good number of shops and taste the various differences. You will understand the subtle nuances that only a cheeseteak aficianado can reveal.


I would happily join you for such a trek. I'm still relatively new to the area and I'm sure there are places I had no idea existed. Your insight will only add to my enjoyment!
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/20 17:16:26 (permalink)
For lunch today, I sampled Manhattan's new cheesesteak place, called Carl's Steaks. Its model is closer to Jim's than Pat's or Geno's (i.e., chopped rather than sliced steak).

I am far from an expert. The above places are the only ones I've ever been to, except for another Manhattan cheesesteak place in Times Square called Philly's Cheesesteak (clever, huh?) But, I liked Carl's well enough to go back. Certainly better than Philly's, for my money. The place still feels "new," so we'll see if it improves. The guy preparing the meat didn't seem as fluid or automatic as the folks in Philadelphia, that's for sure.

This guy Carl argues -- convincingly -- that the bread is key. Most knowledgable people I know say the same thing. That said, I didn't find that the bread integrated as well with the meat, cheese and onions as I would have liked. But, again, it wasn't bad, and the place is still new. It's not Philadelphia, but at least it's physically closer to me.

By the way, I'll share the following anecdote, for what it's worth: the man preparing the cheesesteak wore a latex glove on one hand; the other was ungloved. Yet, he consistently handled all food products with the ungloved hand, while holding the spatula in the gloved one.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/20 19:56:26 (permalink)
Phil, thanks for the quick review of Carl's. I heard about the place but hadn't read anything about it.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/20 19:59:51 (permalink)
Chumley, get in touch with me through email and we'll try to arrange a day for the tour. Bushie is coming up from Texas in the summer. If you want to wait until then, we're going to hit as many places as our stomachs, budgets, and wives will allow!
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Originally posted by CheeseWit
. . . I have offered anyone who cares to, a cheesesteak tour. We will go to a good number of shops and taste the various differences. You will understand the subtle nuances that only a cheeseteak aficianado can reveal.


I would happily join you for such a trek. I'm still relatively new to the area and I'm sure there are places I had no idea existed. Your insight will only add to my enjoyment!
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/29 13:27:38 (permalink)
As someone posted above, the absolute best cheesesteak is one eaten at 2:00AM after the bars close. With that as a criteria, I suggest that
Mr. D's in Wildwood NJ makes the best cheesesteak.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/29 14:44:42 (permalink)
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Originally posted by bigguy

OK, I've been to Pat's, Geno's, Jim's, Tony Lukes and the rest of them, but I want to try something new. I'm a fan of the classic with Whiz and fried onions on an Amoroso roll. Anyone know of a good place in center city Philadelphia that secretly has a winning cheesesteak? I travel a lot to NYC and DC, and maybe there's a classic cheesesteak place there?


Take the word of a DC native who has looked. THERE IS NO GOOD CHEESESTEAK IN DC!!!
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/29 15:20:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
It's been many a year since I had a cheesesteak in Philly, so long in fact that I couldn't honestly say where it was I ate the concoction. But I can say this, Iron Barley serves up a cheesteak in STL that I believe would undoubtedly stack up against the best. In fact, I just had one for lunch today. Thin sliced roast beef, grilled onions and peppers, gravy all on "submarine" roll. In fact, Iron Barley, which has been in business for about five or six months now is one of our favorites. See link for menu and pictures.

www.ironbarley.com
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/31 11:19:25 (permalink)
Milwaukee denizens, rejoice! You can finally get a decent cheesesteak sandwich in Milwaukee! I've only been to Philly once, and had only three cheesesteak sandwiches while I was there, so I can't really comment on how one compares to the others, or how they compare to those from Philadelphia Way in Milwaukee. I can say that the man that opened and runs Philadelphia Way spent four years at Pat's in Philadelphia, so they are probably similar to the sandwiches served there: chopped steak wit or witout onions, your choice of Whiz, American, provalone or cheddar, and hot or sweet peppers and mushrooms available. They are easily the most authentic cheesesteak sandwiches to hit this town.

The owner moved to Milwaukee a few years ago and, earlier this year, desperate for a good cheesesteak sandwich, opened this place on south 2nd Street. He also serves a variety of hoagies (heaven forbid you call them "subs") and chili, although I haven't tasted any of those yet.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/10/31 19:44:09 (permalink)
I had to try it. I just had to, even though I knew it woould be terrible. It was the McDonald's McPhilly Cheesesteak. Aside from mentioning the fact that it had mayonnaise, I will say only that Philadelphia ought to sue McDonald's for defamation, and customers ought to sue for fraud.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/11/03 08:21:26 (permalink)
Just got back last night from an overnight visit to Philadelphia with some friends for my wife's birthday (ate at Le Bec Fin which, while certainly not roadfood, was an incredible experience). Had the opportunity to eat at Jim's twice -- a few hours before Saturday's dinner, and on the way home to New York yesterday. Wonderful, as always, but there's something about the essence of the cheesesteak that adheres itself to you and your clothes --especially when you're forced to wait in line near the exhaust fans. Our wives complained the entire way home.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/11/03 19:08:21 (permalink)
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Originally posted by capnhank

The last time I was in Philly, a couple of locals dragged me out to South Street for what they told me would be the best cheesesteak I'd ever had. I can't even remember which shop it was (too many years under the belt), but I wasn't impressed. My favorite steak is still Sonia's Kitchen in downtown San Jose, CA of all places. Greasy, but not too wet, with onions, peppers and provolone on fresh bread. The Philly version these fellows subjected me to was dry and overcooked in a county fair sort of way. The walls of the shop were covered with pictures of famous people enjoying these famous sandwiches, although I can't imagine why.
I've traveled all around the country and I'm forever hearing people talk about their "native" foods as superior. For example, after all the hype by transplanted east-coasters, when I had my first Tasty Kake it was a tremendous disappointment. It's a friggin' Zinger, people! Just like my Mom put in my lunchbox in grade school! This is certainly not an "east coast only" affliction, but it seems more prevalent among the fans of Hellman's mayonnaise and Nathan's hot dogs than others.
Sorry, that was a rant. Anyway, I probably just got the ass-end of the meat that night. However, it made me really crave a Sonia's cheesesteak and it made me a little homesick in the process.


Sonia's!! Yess!!! The only problem with this place was its hours, which I guess never worried them since they were located right across from San Jose State University. But what a great steak sandwich. Always worth a luncheon detour ....
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/11/06 17:34:11 (permalink)
Huzzah! Vindication!
A couple of years ago they opened an Amato's right across the street (next to Togo's), but it closed down very quickly. Yes, the hours are tricky, but nobody can compete.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/11/06 19:14:38 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

I had to try it. I just had to, even though I knew it woould be terrible. It was the McDonald's McPhilly Cheesesteak. Aside from mentioning the fact that it had mayonnaise, I will say only that Philadelphia ought to sue McDonald's for defamation, and customers ought to sue for fraud.


Jack in the Box tried a CheeseSteak Sandwich out here in California. I took one bite then took it back. I asked for a full refund and left.
I wonder why they even try?
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/11/10 16:26:00 (permalink)
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Originally posted by capnhank

The last time I was in Philly, a couple of locals dragged me out to South Street for what they told me would be the best cheesesteak I'd ever had. I can't even remember which shop it was (too many years under the belt), but I wasn't impressed. My favorite steak is still Sonia's Kitchen in downtown San Jose, CA of all places. Greasy, but not too wet, with onions, peppers and provolone on fresh bread. The Philly version these fellows subjected me to was dry and overcooked in a county fair sort of way. The walls of the shop were covered with pictures of famous people enjoying these famous sandwiches, although I can't imagine why.
I've traveled all around the country and I'm forever hearing people talk about their "native" foods as superior. For example, after all the hype by transplanted east-coasters, when I had my first Tasty Kake it was a tremendous disappointment. It's a friggin' Zinger, people! Just like my Mom put in my lunchbox in grade school! This is certainly not an "east coast only" affliction, but it seems more prevalent among the fans of Hellman's mayonnaise and Nathan's hot dogs than others.
Sorry, that was a rant. Anyway, I probably just got the ass-end of the meat that night. However, it made me really crave a Sonia's cheesesteak and it made me a little homesick in the process.
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RE: The best Cheesesteak 2003/11/10 16:30:39 (permalink)
Sorry, Just registered for you. Tastykakes are one of the best commercially made snack cakes. As for cheesesteaks it sounds as though you don't know your as* from a hole in the ground !!!!!!!!!!!
bye the way i registered just for you !!!!!!!
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