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2013/11/17 14:42:18 (permalink)

The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site)

I saw a recent story about the problems in the replacement of our bomber fleet, which if I recall has about 44 active B52s and about a dozen each of the B1 and B2. The new long range bomber, to go into service in about 15 years will be very expensive, and produced in low numbers. They recently removed a kitchenette and bunk from the design as "too expensive". Missions will typically be 36 to 48 hours, but with the potential to "loiter" for weeks (with areal refueling), flying it could be a really crappy job. Maybe they need a kitchenette??
 
IMO rather than plan for what the crew will eat, maybe we should look at the plus and minus of even building it. If the F35 is to be our last manned fighter, do we need a manned bomber coming out 20 years later?
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/17 15:51:20 (permalink)
    Even our building The Death Star wouldn't do us a damn bit of good if other countries convinced themselves that we lacked the will to use it. 
     
    As it is, each of our 19 Ohio Class submarines can approach undetected and, in minutes, obliterate any nation on Earth, yet there is no fear of us.
     
    So, I agree.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/17 16:34:35 (permalink)
    But the good news is, that if you like your health plan, you can keep it.  Period.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/17 16:57:37 (permalink)

     
    Now you've done it!
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/17 16:57:56 (permalink)
    saps

    But the good news is, that if you like your health plan, you can keep it.  Period.

    saps, where have you been? I've missed your razor wit, as seen in your very funny reply!
     


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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/17 17:23:28 (permalink)
    I've been living in Kate Upton's bra.  Don't tell anyone; I don't want this to end
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/18 01:10:02 (permalink)
    It's great we announced our plans. That gives potential enemies 20 years to figure out a way to shoot it down!
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/18 19:26:14 (permalink)
    The day of the manned aircraft, bomber, fighter, et.al., has passed.  Warfare has changed forever.  The last time manned bombers could have done good was during the carpet bombing of North Vietnam in SEA.
    http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/air-strikes/b-52-carpet-bombing/1706701926001/
     
    God Bless The United States of America.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/18 19:39:56 (permalink)
    Considering the Air Force is having trouble retaining pilots because there's not enough money to keep them flying, and pilots want to fly, it would appear there are some political forces that want manned flight ended -- for whatever reason.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/19 10:59:51 (permalink)
    Again - perhaps for different reasons, perhaps coming from different perspectives - a Bay Stater and a Texan come to the same conclusion. 
     
    I hope this becomes a trend. 
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/19 11:27:50 (permalink)
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    It's great we announced our plans. That gives potential enemies 20 years to figure out a way to shoot it down!


    One of my HS & undergrad classmates "spent Vietnam" as a launch commander in a missle silo at Malmstrom AFB, Montana.  Later, he went on to be a Pentagon 'war gamer". 
     
    On leave, he would fascinate us with "our" capabilities.  When I asked him if the stuff he was telling us was "classified" he said:  "Not really.  We want those Mother-( )ers to know that we can in 30 minutes put 15 megatins into any swimming pool in the world we care to, or  1,000's of them simultaneously.  The only real secret we have is under what circumstances and how we would undertake suchWe are in the deterrance business."
     
    His description of the Triad was both awesome and reassuring.  These days when I tell my students "what we can do" they are both amazed and unbelieving.  The most typical question I get is:  "Why do other countries still 'mess' with us?".  I simply answer "We haven't had an Eisenhower since Eisenhower".
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/19 13:33:09 (permalink)
    Foodbme

    It's great we announced our plans. That gives potential enemies 20 years to figure out a way to shoot it down!


    Considering the amount of bidding and the thousands of vendors utilized, keeping a (military)production aircraft a secret is near impossible.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/19 14:50:18 (permalink)
    saps
    I've been living in Kate Upton's bra.  Don't tell anyone; I don't want this to end

     
    Well, this thread is about "bombers"!
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 09:46:43 (permalink)
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    saps
    I've been living in Kate Upton's bra.  Don't tell anyone; I don't want this to end


    Well, this thread is about "bombers"!


    I hate to accuse saps of being mendacious, but I don't think there is any room in there, much less any breathing room.
    post edited by MetroplexJim - 2013/11/20 09:48:23
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 10:40:42 (permalink)
    We are bordering on a lock-down here due to the repeated political implications.  Please consider returning to the vanilla format !
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 16:06:38 (permalink)
    Kate Upton's breasts are non-partisan, although one is to the right and one is to the left.  I stay right in the middle.
     
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 17:21:20 (permalink)
    saps

    Kate Upton's breasts are non-partisan, although one is to the right and one is to the left.  I stay right in the middle.

    BRRRRRUMMMMSKKIII

    To your udder delight!

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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 18:18:39 (permalink)

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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 18:28:05 (permalink)
    1943 B-17 bombing run: 
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEm49EgG1hs
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/20 18:46:41 (permalink)
    Little Friends:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCiHa0h-6Rs
     
    USAAF/USAF Old & New:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyzih1w9iyM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdWtqlaCmy8
     
    High Flight:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoL-KCFbIpA
    Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr. : 
    http://www.prazen.com/cori/highflit.html
    post edited by Adjudicator - 2013/11/20 19:05:40
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/21 09:55:54 (permalink)
    Thanks, Adjudicator! 
     
    My father was a WWII vet of the USAAC; those videos give me chills and make me feel extremely lucky as I was born almost three years after "the action" was over.
     
    After VE my dad shipped home and was on a troop train bound to San Diego where he would embark to participate in Operation Coronet.  His train had made it to Albuquerque by mid-August before reversing course.   
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/21 19:23:33 (permalink)
    My grandfather was a bombadier with the USAAC / USAF.  He flew 30 missions over various places in europe.  The video of the bombing run also gave me cold chills.  He was very lucky to have survived without being wounded or killed.
     
    Thank You to all the Veterans out there for your service and sacrifices.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/22 10:11:48 (permalink)
    CajunKing

    Thank You to all the Veterans out there for your service and sacrifices.


    A-men.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/22 10:22:25 (permalink)
    I just learned the other day that the first draft of Eisenhower's Farewell Speech warned of the Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/11/27 22:34:00 (permalink)
    I think what they'll probably do is delete the kitchenette and put a small Starbuck's inside instead. 
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/12/08 14:16:05 (permalink)
    This fall, I had a B-17 a B-24 and a P-51 fly over my house when they were on tour. They are based out of Stow, Mass, and may visit a city near you next summer. You can even buy a ride.
     
    I mention this because I just saw that the same group bought a P-40 War Hawk, one of the last surviving, flyable planes that were at Pearl Harbor.  This particular P-40 was in a hanger for repair during the attack, and was not destroyed.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/12/09 08:48:55 (permalink)
    The most dramatic flyover I ever experienced was 09/11/2001. 
     
    I was in Alexandria, VA standing on King St. near 395 where, shortly before, I had felt through my feet both of force of the impact and fuel explosion from what we soon learned was the Pentagon attack.  The sound followed seconds later. 
     
    Minutes later two F-16's created sonic booms as they screamed in at low altitude, passing Skyline City before banking to go down 395.  They dipped and disappeared from view, then went nearly vertical, proceeding west under full military power.
     
     
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/12/09 10:19:34 (permalink)
    tmiles

    This fall, I had a B-17 a B-24 and a P-51 fly over my house when they were on tour. They are based out of Stow, Mass, and may visit a city near you next summer. You can even buy a ride.

    I mention this because I just saw that the same group bought a P-40 War Hawk, one of the last surviving, flyable planes that were at Pearl Harbor.  This particular P-40 was in a hanger for repair during the attack, and was not destroyed.

     
    The Collings Foundation. I took a ride in that B-17, very amazing.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/12/09 15:23:20 (permalink)
    My late father knew Mr Collings, and one of Dad's best friends flew in a B-24 over Europe during WW II. My dad thought that Irving was especially brave to be a Jew and to fly over Europe, but Irving being the bomb aimer, way up in the front of the plane, felt that he could never get out anyway. Another friend flew B-17s, B-36s, B-47s, and retired as a Colonel from the reserve. He may have flown B-52s, but I don't know if they ever had them in the reserve during his time. Dad flew fighters, and transports, but got a little time in reserve bombers. 
     
    The Collings foundation started with a single B-24, and now has one of the larger collections of flyable WW II planes. If you have seen inside that B-24, you can only imagine how uncomfortable and crowded it was for the crew. It was far more efficient that the B-17, but way  less loved by it's crews.
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    Re:The new bomber (interesting only to the airplane lovers on this site) 2013/12/09 15:34:05 (permalink)
    In my first year as a film student, I did a remake of "Casablanca". For the last scene, filmed at Van Nuys Airport, I was able to get use of a B-25 Mitchell bomber as the plane they get into. Looking around inside it was really incredible. It was restored and I could almost her the crew talking. 
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