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2011/04/08 13:10:37 (permalink)

Tipping more for less

I feel, with the influx of chains like Chilis, Applebees, or any of these types of restaurants, the service of today is more of a order taker/ delivery person. That being said, why don't they just put a service charge on the bill for eating inside the restaurant. I'm really not sure we are getting the service that equals a 15% to 20% tip. Many years have gone by when we all used to leave the extra change under the saucer in the coffee shop. Many years have gone by since I have got that kind of service. I remember when a Tip wasn't expected, it was given out of appreciation for service given. I don't think anyone has a real good idea of why they are leaving a tip of 15% to 20%, it's just something that's always been done. The service of the past is gone, the service of the future isn't going to be there, so why are we tipping more for less ?????????????????????......pnwc
post edited by PNWCHEF - 2011/04/08 19:16:26
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 14:28:46 (permalink)
    Because we want to know how the French Dip at Philippe's was!
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 14:56:15 (permalink)
    He's not going to tell us.
     
    And by the way, I still leave a tip for coffee. I figure that when I'm taking up space at the counter having coffee, with refills, I'm taking money away from my server by taking up a stool that could be occupied by someone ordering food. So, I tip accordingly.
     
    So there!
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 15:23:34 (permalink)
    I don't know if that model holds nowadays pnwc in the Fern Bars you mentioned. Last one we'd go to on a occasional basis was Bennigan's. The waitstaff was composed of teams where you had the senior server that took your order and did the glad handing and then there were two or three others that did the actual serving and gofering. Perhaps this was a model limited to the units that we attended. I don't know how they distributed the tip among that many.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 15:31:37 (permalink)
    Chili's and Applebee's are now fern bars?
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 15:41:59 (permalink)
    I believe that's the trade term for the "themed casual dining" category now Michael.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 16:58:58 (permalink)
    The #2 definition for "fern bar" in the Urban Dictionary:
    "restaurant with fern plants
    Applebee's, O'Charley's, etc."
     
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fern+bar
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 17:14:26 (permalink)
    Interesting, I call them fern bars, too!
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 17:37:59 (permalink)
    I guess I must have a faulty memory. As I recall a fern bar was derisively called a fern bar because it had ferns -- and usually some couches, too. I was in a Chili's once and an Applebee's once, and I don't recall either ferns or couches in either one.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 17:43:23 (permalink)
    Michael Hoffman

    I guess I must have a faulty memory. As I recall a fern bar was derisively called a fern bar because it had ferns -- and usually some couches, too. I was in a Chili's once and an Applebee's once, and I don't recall either ferns or couches in either one.

    No, Michael, you don't have a faulty memory.  That is definition #1 in the Urban Dictionary:
    "American slang for an upscale preppy/yuppie bar or tavern usually decorated with ferns as well as fixtures and furniture such as retro sofas and fake Tiffany lamps. They were popular meeting places for young singles. The phrase came into common use in the late 1970s and early 1980s."
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 17:50:45 (permalink)
    I went to school with a Fern Barns!
    Am I off topic here??
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 18:28:01 (permalink)
    Off topic? Hardly. I played hockey with a guy named Fern Bernaque. Pretty good winger.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 18:28:51 (permalink)
    6star,
     
    Thanks. I thought that's what a fern bar was.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 19:13:16 (permalink)
    chewingthefat

    I went to school with a Fern Barns!
    Am I off topic here??

    I once grew Ferns in a Barn, we hung them from a bar, that's what I thought a Fernbar was...
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 19:35:20 (permalink)
    What I want to know is why a smart guy from Bridgeport would settle near a place where everyone glows in the dark.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 20:05:55 (permalink)
    Michael Hoffman

    What I want to know is why a smart guy from Bridgeport would settle near a place where everyone glows in the dark.


    I grew up living across the street from a pencil factory spewing out lead fumes in a polluted city. I'm trying to combat it with radiation, and the nerve gas stored 30 miles away at the Army Depot...................
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 20:49:47 (permalink)
    Didn't that place burn down? You lived on Maple Street?
     
    By the way, does Hillhouse still play Harding at night? And do the Harding kids still tape razor blades to their hands for games? I won't go into what we carried on the field.
     
     
    post edited by Michael Hoffman - 2011/04/08 20:51:49
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 21:06:02 (permalink)
     the pencil factory was on Maple street was between Pembrook and Brook St. I lived on Arctic st one block over. The factory blew up once a week and caught fire, yes it did burn down.
    Harding high school, I got suspended so many times from that school I lost count. I don't remember the razor blades.........
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 21:30:33 (permalink)
    chewingthefat

    I went to school with a Fern Barns!
    Am I off topic here??

     
    Michael Hoffman

    Off topic? Hardly. I played hockey with a guy named Fern Bernaque. Pretty good winger.
     
    I knew a Fawn Liebowitz. She died in a kiln explosion.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 21:41:15 (permalink)
    Michael Hoffman

    Off topic? Hardly. I played hockey with a guy named Fern Bernaque. Pretty good winger.

    I' m a better winger, smoked, then fried, then 7 sauces that will make you forget about hockey!

    post edited by chewingthefat - 2011/04/08 21:42:32
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 21:44:02 (permalink)
    PNWCHEF

     the pencil factory was on Maple street was between Pembrook and Brook St. I lived on Arctic st one block over. The factory blew up once a week and caught fire, yes it did burn down.
    Harding high school, I got suspended so many times from that school I lost count. I don't remember the razor blades.........

    First of all, I can't believe I actually remember Maple Street and a pencil factory, and a fire. I am truly amazing, for a kid from New Haven.Must have something to do with my Bridgeporter wife.
     
    As to Harding and Hillhouse, I played football for Hillhouse, and we had guys carrying screwdrivers in their pads to use in pileups against the Harding kids who had razor blades. Those Friday night games at Harding were scary. And the fights afterwards, well ... .
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 21:48:22 (permalink)
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    I went to school with a Fern Barns!
    Am I off topic here??


    Michael Hoffman

    Off topic? Hardly. I played hockey with a guy named Fern Bernaque. Pretty good winger.
     
    I knew a Fawn Liebowitz. She died in a kiln explosion.

    Mosca, that happens to many people named Fawn Leiboeitz, especially in kiln explosions... quite common in Pennsylvania. Go figure!!

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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 21:49:52 (permalink)
    In retrospect, I hope you were kidding!
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 22:30:26 (permalink)
    Kidding? About what?
     
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 22:35:17 (permalink)
    Michael Hoffman

    Kidding? About what?


    Mosca's post


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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/08 22:39:25 (permalink)
    Oh. I thought you were talking about mine. You are forgiven.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/09 11:26:42 (permalink)
    Michael Hoffman

    PNWCHEF

    the pencil factory was on Maple street was between Pembrook and Brook St. I lived on Arctic st one block over. The factory blew up once a week and caught fire, yes it did burn down.
    Harding high school, I got suspended so many times from that school I lost count. I don't remember the razor blades.........

    First of all, I can't believe I actually remember Maple Street and a pencil factory, and a fire. I am truly amazing, for a kid from New Haven.Must have something to do with my Bridgeporter wife.

    As to Harding and Hillhouse, I played football for Hillhouse, and we had guys carrying screwdrivers in their pads to use in pileups against the Harding kids who had razor blades. Those Friday night games at Harding were scary. And the fights afterwards, well ... .


    Second of all, I can't believe you remember Maple St and the pencil factory either......I used to deliver papers in a 6 block radius, 125 customers.........
     
    Harding football was getting bad when I went there, I think they finally stopped the night games because some one from Central High got stabbed after a game. Do you remember the snake dance from Harding to Central ????????? It was something to do with walking from one school to another with hundreds of kids and having a rally when you got there. Little did you know you would marry a gal working just down the street at Bpt Hospital..................
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/09 12:23:22 (permalink)
    I never heard of that snake dance, but remember, I'm from New Haven. We had our own traditions, including the Thanksgiving morning game with West haven in the Yale Bowl. After Commercial High School became WIlbur Cross school officials stopped the Thanksgiving game and set up what they assumed would be a "nicer" rivalry between Hillhouse and Cross, and they even started a "Harvest Festival" for the game. They were stupid.
     
    I can't remember the name of the junior high my wife went to, and she never went to high school in Bridgeport -- her parents sent her to Northfield in Massachusetts. Her older brother went to Central (and played baseball) with Porky Vieira. You may have heard of Porky.
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/09 13:09:58 (permalink)
    I used to go to the Harding & Central Thanksgiving game every year. One year the game ran late, I ran home to find the family already had dinner. I saw my dinner sitting in a TV dinner try, I was devastated. Holidays were always a big deal around our house, it's the only good things I remember...........Dad was drunk all the time, if he got pissed off, the Christmas tree went out the front door and thrown in the middle of the street..............
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    Re:Tipping more for less 2011/04/09 14:31:19 (permalink)
    Sounds like a lousy time for you. Clearly, you've done a fine job of making up for it.
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