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chewingthefat

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Toxic Grill warning Sun, 05/9/10 5:35 PM (permalink)
Today my one and only child, er 21 yr. old daughter graduated from Marymount Univ. in McLean Va. In any case my wife and I stayed in DC at the J W Mariott, got there early on Fri. had lunch at a the M and S Grill at the corner of 13th and G st. I realize there are not too many Roadfood type places in high rent neighborhoods like this but the name and interior decor gave me reason to think I had found a rough in the diamond. What I found was perhaps the worst place in the developed world, to Dunk one's Hine. I had a French dip that the beef was ACTUALLY BOILED, I swear to you this is true, the excess water gummed up the roll, the french fries had been refried maybe 4 times and were still cold and so pitiful that I actually laughed, I couldn't believe the absolute zero level of decency from an establishment that serves the public....come to think of it maybe it was M and S's proximity to Congress...BTY, it turns out M and S is owned by Mc Cormick and Schmicks...also the waitress was as good as the sandwich. Just a heads up to any DC and Suburban DC folks as well as visitors, The EPA should ban this toxic pit.
 
#1
    MiamiDon

    Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 7:15 AM (permalink)
    But how do you really feel about the joint? 
     
    #2
      Tony Bad

      Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 8:02 AM (permalink)
      The food may have been bad, but I hear they have a very generous cat washing policy. 

      As they say, you can't have it all.





       
      #3
        chewingthefat

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        Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 12:21 PM (permalink)
        Tony Bad


        The food may have been bad, but I hear they have a very generous cat washing policy. 

        As they say, you can't have it all.






        LOL...Don't want it ALL, a little something would be nice though!
         
        #4
          joerogo

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          Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 1:08 PM (permalink)

          You let them use your sink, and before you know it..........


           
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            localnet

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            Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 3:13 PM (permalink)
            LMAO!!!^^^^^ But my kitty is pissed, she found no humor in your post....

            And I used to live in DC, I would expect better.

            Mike
             
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              mayor al

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              Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 3:23 PM (permalink)
              I think the old saying about finding a mate..."You've got to kiss a lot of Frogs before you find the Princess!"  is probably true for Roadfooders as well. I am just estimating, but I think my positive endorsements of food establishments are outnumbered by negative experiences never discussed anywhere, by a ratio of at least two or three to one, with the negatives holding a solid majority!

               Sorry you got 'burned' , so to speak.
               
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                billyboy

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                Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 3:47 PM (permalink)
                Maybe I'm in the minority here, but it isn't clear to me what exactly is "toxic" about this place.  Seems like they put out poorly executed versions of food that should, in theory, be straightforward and simple.  How exactly was the waitress bad?  Attitude?  Ability or lack thereof?  Just not sure how it adds up to "toxic" and "...worst place in the developed world..."
                 
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                  TJ Jackson

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                  Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 4:22 PM (permalink)
                  mayor al


                  I think the old saying about finding a mate..."You've got to kiss a lot of Frogs before you find the Princess!"  is probably true for Roadfooders as well. I am just estimating, but I think my positive endorsements of food establishments are outnumbered by negative experiences never discussed anywhere, by a ratio of at least two or three to one, with the negatives holding a solid majority!

                  The flip side of this is true for many of us who travel less - like me, certainly - and use the information on this and other food-related sites (i've a fondness for the hollyeats and slice/aht sites) to ensure each meal on those few days we actually are travelling is at worst a "merely" good one. 

                  I have an appreciation for those 'rf pioneers' who get out there and try the places no one else has and then reports back on those otherwise unknown gems.....starting but certainly not ending with the Sterns
                   
                  #9
                    kaszeta

                    Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 4:23 PM (permalink)
                    mayor al


                    I think the old saying about finding a mate..."You've got to kiss a lot of Frogs before you find the Princess!"  is probably true for Roadfooders as well. I am just estimating, but I think my positive endorsements of food establishments are outnumbered by negative experiences never discussed anywhere, by a ratio of at least two or three to one, with the negatives holding a solid majority!

                     Sorry you got 'burned' , so to speak.


                    I'll agree with this.  I tell people about the (a) good experiences, and (b) the overwhelmingly or notably bad ones.  Most of the mediocre and "normal-bad" places just don't warrant my time or mention.

                    TJ Jackson's comment is a good one, however, in that one's experiences are best shared to make sure others find the "good stuff" and don't waste time on the bad.   On the other hand, while Roadfood is one of my resources for finding good and interesting food on the road, it's far from my only one.  I mostly find my own places, since (a) my tastes run a little more to the wild and exotic than most people's, and (b) I go a lot of places that don't get much coverage from the likes of Roadfood (or Yelp, or Tripadvisor, or ...)  If anything, resources like Roadfood have given me a much better appreciation of how to spot good places on my own.
                    <message edited by kaszeta on Mon, 05/10/10 4:34 PM>
                     
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                      chewingthefat

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                      Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 6:45 PM (permalink)
                      billyboy


                      Maybe I'm in the minority here, but it isn't clear to me what exactly is "toxic" about this place.  Seems like they put out poorly executed versions of food that should, in theory, be straightforward and simple.  How exactly was the waitress bad?  Attitude?  Ability or lack thereof?  Just not sure how it adds up to "toxic" and "...worst place in the developed world..."


                      In reference to the waitress, all of the above....using literary license with toxic, my point which I thought I got accross was it was a dreadful place to go, over and above downright crummy..."toxic", beware!!!!!!!!
                      If you want to, try it out if your in DC in the near future, see what you think, maybe I caught it on a bad day...don't think so though.
                       
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                        LeadBelly

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                        Re:Toxic Grill warning Mon, 05/10/10 10:12 PM (permalink)
                        chewingthefat



                        In reference to the waitress, all of the above....using literary license with toxic, my point which I thought I got accross was it was a dreadful place to go, over and above downright crummy..."toxic", beware!!!!!!!!
                        If you want to, try it out if your in DC in the near future, see what you think, maybe I caught it on a bad day...don't think so though.
                         

                        If they had only screwed up half the things you wrote about, say only refrying the fries twice, that would be catching them on a bad day. This went way beyond that.


                         
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                          Nancypalooza

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                          Re:Toxic Grill warning Wed, 05/12/10 9:12 AM (permalink)
                          Congratulations chewie!  My son graduated this weekend too.
                           
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                            Ivyhouse

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                            Re:Toxic Grill warning Wed, 05/12/10 9:49 AM (permalink)
                            Next time you are in the area try Chef Geoff's, on 13th between E and F.  It is in the same block as the hotel and is a wonderful restaurant.  Can be crowded, though, especially weekend nights.
                             
                            Too bad about M & S Grill.  I have never been there, but have eaten at a few different McCormick & Schmick restaurants.  They are overpriced, but have not been horrible.
                            <message edited by Ivyhouse on Wed, 05/12/10 9:56 AM>
                             
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                              Mosca

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                              Re:Toxic Grill warning Wed, 05/12/10 11:19 AM (permalink)
                              Congratulations on the graduation! My girl finished up her freshman year, we collected her last weekend. One year down, three to go; the first one went so fast!
                               
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                                chewingthefat

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                                Re:Toxic Grill warning Wed, 05/12/10 12:16 PM (permalink)
                                Mosca


                                Congratulations on the graduation! My girl finished up her freshman year, we collected her last weekend. One year down, three to go; the first one went so fast!


                                Tom, it was yesterday we sent her off to College, even she cannot believe how fast it went...she loved every moment of it...now, the realities of adult responsibilities are rapidly setting in...I pray she finds a position in Interior Design that she loves...She won't be "doing lunch" at the M and S Grill during her job search!
                                <message edited by chewingthefat on Wed, 05/12/10 12:17 PM>
                                 
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                                  BelRose

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                                  Re:Toxic Grill warning Wed, 05/12/10 1:25 PM (permalink)
                                  Ivyhouse


                                  Next time you are in the area try Chef Geoff's, on 13th between E and F.  It is in the same block as the hotel and is a wonderful restaurant.  Can be crowded, though, especially weekend nights.
                                   
                                  Too bad about M & S Grill.  I have never been there, but have eaten at a few different McCormick & Schmick restaurants.  They are overpriced, but have not been horrible.

                                  If it is during happy hour, you would be better served ducking around the corner to Old Ebbit Grill, and finding a seat at the Oyster Bar for half priced raw bar items (this is good only at any of the bars from 4:00 till 6:00) - otherwise I would avoid the restaurant as it is an overpriced tourist trap.
                                   
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