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chriscubva

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Wacky lawsuits Thu, 06/28/07 6:45 AM (permalink)
Oh course pretty much everyone by now has heard about the woman who sued McDonalds over hot coffee several years back but have you actually known someone who did more/less did the same thing as fiing a lawsuit over the most dumbest petty thing?

When I was in high school, in my art class there was a girl named "Barbara". Barbara had this very bad habit of telling the class all the personal stuff that was happening between her and her then boyfriend. Whenever those two got it on, well Barbra felt she had to tell the whole class every X-rated detail. It had gotten so bad that even our teacher talked to her one day about this "problem".

One day someone wrote on the walls in the girl's bathroom that "Barbara is a slut". This upset Barbara. So much so that her younger sister went into the girl's bathroom, took a pic of that wall and gave the photo to their parents. Did they contact the school? NO !! Instead the parents contacted their lawyer and tried to sue our school for "not protecting their daughter and allowing her to be embarrised". All this happened within 3 weeks from the last day of class so I am not sure exactly how far the parents went as far as the lawsuit went ( I would Imagine it was thrown out ). However Barbara is the only person I could think of that was involved in a, well bizarre lawsuit.

Oh for the record, Barbara switched schools when school resumed that Fall. Never did see her again.
 
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    Sundancer7

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    RE: Wacky lawsuits Thu, 06/28/07 8:24 AM (permalink)
    How about the most recent thing was this administrative law judge sued his Korean cleaners for 54 million for losing his pants. He almost broke the mom pop cleaners with attorney fees. The suit was disallowed and the judge ordered the the guy who sued the cleaners to pay all their attorney fees.

    I sorta kept up with it because I personally thought it was a stupid suit. He sued on the basis that the cleaners had a sign indicating satisfaction guaranteed.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN
     
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      Pat T Hat

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      RE: Wacky lawsuits Thu, 06/28/07 2:23 PM (permalink)
      I was sued for stuffing a guy up one of those bowling machines in a bar I was working (it was a strike). Something about trauma and distress though he wasn't really hurt and required no medical assistance.

      He was obnoxious and belligerent and refused to leave. I told him if he kept it up he would have the choice of having the law called on him or being used as a human bowling ball.

      He chose bowling ball!

      He then threw his libation at me...a clear cut case of alcohol (and bartender) abuse in my humble estimation!

      It was dropped because I had WAY to many people who would testify he wanted me, in fact, asked me to do it.
      A lot of them were even there at the time.

      His lawyer wanted no part of that.
      It might have helped a bit that being it was a small town, I served most of the local attorney's at one time or another and served them well.

      Bartenders reign supreme in the kingdom of the parched!
       
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        Michael Hoffman

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        RE: Wacky lawsuits Thu, 06/28/07 2:34 PM (permalink)
        I was once sued, along with The Associated Press, for a review of a book that the author deemed uncomplimentary. It asn't at all uncomplimentary. I said it was a bad book, full of holes and filled with lies.

        The suit was tossed out.
         
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          Tedbear

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          RE: Wacky lawsuits Fri, 06/29/07 12:26 PM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by chriscubva

          Oh course pretty much everyone by now has heard about the woman who sued McDonalds over hot coffee several years back but have you actually known someone who did more/less did the same thing as fiing a lawsuit over the most dumbest petty thing?



          In reality, the elderly woman in question suffered third degree burns on her genitalia and her legs as a result of McDonald's policy (at that time) of using water that was 20 degrees hotter than the usual temperature for drip coffee making. She was hospitalized for 8 days, received several skin grafts, and attempted only to be compensated for her medical expenses that were not covered by her medical insurance. When McDonald's offered her the grand sum of $800.00, that is when the suit ensued.

          The process of discovery led to the disclosure that something like 700 people had previously received severe burns from McDonald's unexpectedly hot coffee, so there was no question that the company was aware of the hazards involved in using water this hot. Expert medical testimony proved that water of the temperature used by McDonald's will, indeed, cause severe burns when applied to the skin. (Imagine what it did to someone's mouth or esophagus if they drank it without adding milk!)

          The ludicrous aspect of the case was the original settlement awarded by the jury (many millions of $$ as I recall), and this was drastically reduced, on appeal. The bottom line is that McDonald's was aware that using such unexpectedly hot water could cause injury, but they continued to use very high temperature water because it is possible to extract more flavor from a smaller quantity of coffee grounds if you use extremely high temperature water. Also, if the corporation had simply paid the woman's medical expenses, they could have avoided litigation.

          The woman was found to be 20% liable for her injuries, which reduced her award accordingly. Even after the award was further reduced on appeal, the plaintiff still received an amount far above what would normally be expected for injuries of the type that she received--but she never sought an award of that magnitude.

          Although it is very easy to criticize the woman from afar, I wonder how many of us would also file suit once it was found that the company in question was using unorthodox methods for the purpose of saving money and were aware of the hazards involved. How many of us under the same circumstances would say, "That's okay, I will shoulder all of the excess medical expenses myself". Yes, she did spill the coffee, but should the coffee have been hot enough to cause third degree burns?

          Incidentally, subsequent to this suit, McDonald's reduced the temperature of their machines to the "standard", non-scalding temperature used by the rest of the food service industry. While this can not be used as evidence of guilt, it is interesting that they finally saw the light after that suit. Their coffee which is now excellent as a result of using better-quality beans, is now brewed with "normal" temperature water, thus indicating that those very high water temperatures were never necessary in the first place, except to save money.

          In case you think that I am a garden-variety corporation basher, I hold a fairly significant number of shares of stock in McDonald's. That, however, does not prevent me from seeing that the company's corporate greed led to this incident being blown out of proportion. If there was anything frivilous about the case, it was the original jury award, but that does not negate the seriousness of the injuries suffered by the woman who brought the suit.

           
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            cathyftr

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            RE: Wacky lawsuits Fri, 06/29/07 2:27 PM (permalink)
            A few years back we had these two guys who worked for the same company I was employed at. The two were at the time roommates as well. For the sake of this post I will call them "guy 1" and "guy 2". "guy 1" had his own personal website mainly to post pics of his trips for family and friends. One day both "guy 1" and "guy 2" got into a fight which resulted in "guy1" kicking "guy2" out of the house. A few days later when "Guy1" had to go out of town, "guy2" decided to get back at "guy1" by hacking into "guy1"'s personal website from a remote location. "Guy2" posted all this garbage about a co-worker who did not along with "guy1". Saying such things like his co-worker "beat his wife", "suffers from bipolar disorder", "enjoys talking dirty to women onlne". You get the idea.

            While he was out of town ( only 2 days after he left ) "Guy1" discovered the hacking and had very quickly the hosting company take down his site. He also contacted the police in his town and the police approached "guy2" about this and "guy2" confessed that he did indeed hack into his former roommate's site. A police report was filed about this.

            That should be the end of it. Well it wasn't. The co-worker somehow found out what was said about him
            and decided to sue "guy1" for deflamtion of character. The co-worker did NOT sue "guy2" saying that since the site belonged to "guy1" he is responsible for all content 24/7 that appears on the site. The co-worker didn't even bother checking the police report that was filed over this. In the end "guy1" ended up paying his co-worker $5000 over te remarkes that appeared on his site even though they came from a third party.

            "guy1" also ended up losing his job as a result of this and made us look at the co-worker in a different light. Had it been me I would have gone to the police, look at the police report and sue "guy2" instead
             
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              Tedbear

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              RE: Wacky lawsuits Fri, 06/29/07 5:55 PM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by cathyftr

              A few years back we had these two guys who worked for the same company I was employed at. The two were at the time roommates as well. For the sake of this post I will call them "guy 1" and "guy 2". "guy 1" had his own personal website mainly to post pics of his trips for family and friends. One day both "guy 1" and "guy 2" got into a fight which resulted in "guy1" kicking "guy2" out of the house. A few days later when "Guy1" had to go out of town, "guy2" decided to get back at "guy1" by hacking into "guy1"'s personal website from a remote location. "Guy2" posted all this garbage about a co-worker who did not along with "guy1". Saying such things like his co-worker "beat his wife", "suffers from bipolar disorder", "enjoys talking dirty to women onlne". You get the idea.

              While he was out of town ( only 2 days after he left ) "Guy1" discovered the hacking and had very quickly the hosting company take down his site. He also contacted the police in his town and the police approached "guy2" about this and "guy2" confessed that he did indeed hack into his former roommate's site. A police report was filed about this.

              That should be the end of it. Well it wasn't. The co-worker somehow found out what was said about him
              and decided to sue "guy1" for deflamtion of character. The co-worker did NOT sue "guy2" saying that since the site belonged to "guy1" he is responsible for all content 24/7 that appears on the site. The co-worker didn't even bother checking the police report that was filed over this. In the end "guy1" ended up paying his co-worker $5000 over te remarkes that appeared on his site even though they came from a third party.

              "guy1" also ended up losing his job as a result of this and made us look at the co-worker in a different light. Had it been me I would have gone to the police, look at the police report and sue "guy2" instead


              It sounds to me like "guy #1 had a really bad attorney. Given the fact pattern that you stated, it should not have been that difficult to defend guy #1 against this suit. Granted, the suit was filed against the wrong person, but this was not exactly the most difficult case to defend if the fact pattern that you stated is accurate.

              Then again, perhaps guy #1 did not hire an attorney and perhaps he thought that he could defend himself. If that was the case, then the old saying, "He who defends himself in court has a fool for a client", comes into play. Many people like to say very negative things about attorneys, but when you need to defend yourself, having a competent attorney can make a huge difference.
               
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                Oneiron339

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                RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 10:27 AM (permalink)
                We need a "loser pays" system. Too many frivolous lawsuits.
                The woman in question at McDonald's had the "good" sense of putting the coffee between her knees while she was driving. You can't legislate stupidity.
                 
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                  Gizmolito

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                  RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 3:18 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by Oneiron339

                  We need a "loser pays" system. Too many frivolous lawsuits.
                  The woman in question at McDonald's had the "good" sense of putting the coffee between her knees while she was driving. You can't legislate stupidity.



                  Stella was not driving when she pulled the lid off her scalding McDonald's coffee. Her grandson was driving the car, and he had pulled over to stop so she could add cream and sugar to the cup.
                   
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                    Tedbear

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                    RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 3:54 PM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by Oneiron339

                    We need a "loser pays" system. Too many frivolous lawsuits.
                    The woman in question at McDonald's had the "good" sense of putting the coffee between her knees while she was driving. You can't legislate stupidity.


                    As I had mentioned in my earlier post on the infamous McDonald's coffee lawsuit, the plaintiff was considered to be 20% liable for her injuries. Given that McDonald's coffee was proven to have been served at a temperature that scalds flesh, it is appropriate that the company had to pay for their 80% portion of the liability in the case.

                    Admittedly the jury originally awarded a bizarrely large settlement to the plaintiff, but on appeal, the settlement was reduced by huge amount. The only wacky thing about the suit was the size of the original settlement. And, yes, as Gizmolito correctly stated, the plaintiff was a passenger in a car that was not moving at the time of the spillage.
                     
                    #10
                      CajunKing

                      RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 4:17 PM (permalink)
                      The KY speedway currently has a suit against NASCAR, originally they wanted a Nextel cup race at KY.

                      NASCAR would not give them a race, so the speedway sued NASCAR for a race. Now instead of a race, they are claiming anti-trust violations against NASCAR and the speedway will settle for $200 million.

                      It's all about the Benjamin's
                       
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                        Fieldthistle

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                        RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 4:35 PM (permalink)
                        Hello All,
                        There are a few wacky lawsuits, but if you think about all the
                        legal procedures that occur daily in the U.S., our legal system
                        is basically good.
                        If you want to spend some money, yeah, anyone can almost sue another
                        person or company.
                        To go far in the court system and win, you must prove you have cause,
                        have suffered damages, and that it was due to the actions or negligence
                        to some degree of the party or parties you are sueing.
                        The legal system is overburdened, but usually is not nutty in their reasoning.
                        It depends on precedence, reason and logic. It is the backbone of our society.
                        At least that is the dream.
                        Take Care,
                        Fieldthistle
                         
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                          wanderingjew

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                          RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 6:38 PM (permalink)
                          quote:
                          Originally posted by Tedbear


                          Originally posted by cathyftr

                          Then again, perhaps guy #1 did not hire an attorney and perhaps he thought that he could defend himself. If that was the case, then the old saying, "He who defends himself in court has a fool for a client", comes into play.


                          I completely disagree with this comment. As of late, Jurys
                          in general can't stand attorneys, and would more likely be impressed with someone (a regular guy or gal like themselves) who is representing themselves in a civil litigation matter.
                           
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                            Davydd

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                            RE: Wacky lawsuits Sun, 07/1/07 8:56 PM (permalink)
                            All you have to do is watch Judge Judy and you will see most people should not be representing themselves.
                             
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                              Tedbear

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                              RE: Wacky lawsuits Mon, 07/2/07 4:48 AM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by wanderingjew

                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Tedbear


                              Originally posted by cathyftr

                              Then again, perhaps guy #1 did not hire an attorney and perhaps he thought that he could defend himself. If that was the case, then the old saying, "He who defends himself in court has a fool for a client", comes into play.


                              I completely disagree with this comment. As of late, Jurys
                              in general can't stand attorneys, and would more likely be impressed with someone (a regular guy or gal like themselves) who is representing themselves in a civil litigation matter.



                              I don't doubt that many people have a dislike of attorneys (except their own, of course), but people also don't want to spend any more time on jury duty than is absolutely necessary. If you have ever witnessed a person defending himself in court, then you would realize that the trial can take two or perhaps even three times as long as it would otherwise, due to the self-defending person's inability to understand legal procedure. And, after a short period of time, many jurors become resentful of how much time is being taken up needlessly by the self-defender.

                              Judges don't want their decisions to be later overturned on appeal, and one cause for appellate reversals is the appearance that the self-defending person was at a disadvantage. As a result, the entire procedure plods along at an extremely slow pace, with the judge constantly functioning as legal advisor to the self-defender.

                              If you ever want to see the wheels of justice turning more slowly than usual, sit in on a trial where the defendant is acting as his own attorney. Or, even worse, imagine being a juror on one of those trials. Believe me, those unfortunate jurors would greatly prefer to be listening to an attorney!
                               
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                                enginecapt

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                                RE: Wacky lawsuits Mon, 07/2/07 9:42 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Davydd

                                All you have to do is watch Judge Judy and you will see most people should not be representing themselves.
                                Correction: All you have to do is watch Judge Judy and you will see that focusing on the lowest common denominator sells commercial ad minutes.
                                 
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                                  chriscubva

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                                  RE: Wacky lawsuits Tue, 07/3/07 4:40 AM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by Tedbear

                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by cathyftr

                                  A few years back we had these two guys who worked for the same company I was employed at. The two were at the time roommates as well. For the sake of this post I will call them "guy 1" and "guy 2". "guy 1" had his own personal website mainly to post pics of his trips for family and friends. One day both "guy 1" and "guy 2" got into a fight which resulted in "guy1" kicking "guy2" out of the house. A few days later when "Guy1" had to go out of town, "guy2" decided to get back at "guy1" by hacking into "guy1"'s personal website from a remote location. "Guy2" posted all this garbage about a co-worker who did not along with "guy1". Saying such things like his co-worker "beat his wife", "suffers from bipolar disorder", "enjoys talking dirty to women onlne". You get the idea.

                                  While he was out of town ( only 2 days after he left ) "Guy1" discovered the hacking and had very quickly the hosting company take down his site. He also contacted the police in his town and the police approached "guy2" about this and "guy2" confessed that he did indeed hack into his former roommate's site. A police report was filed about this.

                                  That should be the end of it. Well it wasn't. The co-worker somehow found out what was said about him
                                  and decided to sue "guy1" for deflamtion of character. The co-worker did NOT sue "guy2" saying that since the site belonged to "guy1" he is responsible for all content 24/7 that appears on the site. The co-worker didn't even bother checking the police report that was filed over this. In the end "guy1" ended up paying his co-worker $5000 over te remarkes that appeared on his site even though they came from a third party.

                                  "guy1" also ended up losing his job as a result of this and made us look at the co-worker in a different light. Had it been me I would have gone to the police, look at the police report and sue "guy2" instead


                                  It sounds to me like "guy #1 had a really bad attorney. Given the fact pattern that you stated, it should not have been that difficult to defend guy #1 against this suit. Granted, the suit was filed against the wrong person, but this was not exactly the most difficult case to defend if the fact pattern that you stated is accurate.

                                  Then again, perhaps guy #1 did not hire an attorney and perhaps he thought that he could defend himself. If that was the case, then the old saying, "He who defends himself in court has a fool for a client", comes into play. Many people like to say very negative things about attorneys, but when you need to defend yourself, having a competent attorney can make a huge difference.


                                  sounds like a case of having a bad lawyer.

                                  Then again when it comes to the law and the internet, a lot of times it depends on what state you live in.

                                  I know that West Virginia for example will NOT get involved when it comes to the internet unless children are involved. Threats? Well when I lived in that state my neighbor kept getting these threatening emails from somewhere. She never did find out from who or where. She called the police only to be told that really they can't do anything even tracing back the email unless its "court ordered" and even then it next to impossible to get one. That is what the West Virginia state police there told her.

                                  Meanwhile in Virginia, I believe some cities and counties there do have a special department within the force that deals with the net.
                                  Unless it has changed within the last few years Virginia at one time had some law/rule that didn't allow "adult" sites from being based there. If the state found out they had the right to shut you down as I was told. He lives in Phoenix now, but I used to have a friend who lived in Roanoke who did porn on the side. Of course his personal website was full of nude pics and such. One day he noticed his site was deleted, totally gone. Later found out from the hosting company that his site was shut down by "the commonwealth of Virginia".
                                   
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