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2006/10/30 18:50:30 (permalink)

What can be defined as a roadfood chain?

Not sure... and never thought about it until I started posting at roadfood, but here are my thoughts;

1. If the founders of the original locations, or their family's, are still the owners, it could be a roadfood chain?

2. If the original owners who started the first few locations still have control over the menu, and the quality of food and service, it could be a roadfood chain?

3. If the individual franchise owners have control over the quality of their food and service, and have the freedom to offer unique and maybe regional dishes of their choosing, it could be a roadfood chain?

4. If...??? it could be a roadfood chain?
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    salsailsa
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/30 19:03:13 (permalink)
    I would regard a local chain that has some distinct menu features as a roadfood chain. I think they'd be exclusive to one city or region of a state/province. In Winnipeg, there are a few local chains- one is Salisbury House restaurant:

    www.salisburyhouse.ca

    Another one I can think of is George's Burgers and subs.

    www.shopmanitoba.ca/georgesburgers/index.htm

    That is just my opinion though.


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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/30 19:30:51 (permalink)
    Thanks Salsa! Hey I bet you will not find the definiton in any dictionary... soooo, we get to define it!

    If I opened a "PapaJoe's Chili Parlor" in Texas, and let my brother Jim open one in CA, and my bro Scott opened one in NYC, could I stay in the chili section?

    They, by the way, would serve a variaty of regional chilis. I have about 12 on the list but that's anouther thread.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/30 20:53:51 (permalink)
    The official definition at this time as I understand it:

    if a review of the chain appears on this site, it is considered roadfood.

    if a review of the chain does NOT appear on this site, it is not considered Roadfood.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/30 21:38:14 (permalink)
    At least it explains how Steak & Shake made the featured restaurant of the day a while back! If that ain't a chain, then neither is Burger King or McDonald's.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 00:22:42 (permalink)
    It isn't my definition - it is the definition used by the admins of this site......
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 11:32:51 (permalink)
    Well, I try to be nice to everyone, including trolls.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 13:19:10 (permalink)
    I ment for this to be a logical discusion of what could still be considered roadfood, even though it has more than one location, for the pourpose of where to post things here at roadfood.com.

    How about my chili parlors yall? Can someone post about them in the chili sction? And how about the other "it could be a roadfood chain" ideas?

    I think what the admins are trying to say is that if a chain gets an official roadfood review, then it's roadfood, regardless of the nature of the chain. That sounds reasonable to me. Just take my #4 and change the "could" to "is". That is maybe not to say that some multi location restaurants might not also be considered roadfood, even though they have yet to receive an official roadfood review. Hey, thers lotsa stuff out there!

    The pactical purpose of this definition is only about where to post discussions. I think I gave 3 pretty good examples in my starting post.

    There is a great little family owned Italian restaurant near me, in Quinlan Tx. It also has two other small town locations. I consider them roadfood. It depends on the discusion here as to where I post about it, but I think it belongs in the Italian section.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 13:30:12 (permalink)
    i guess i'm stupid;
    i just assumed that a chain
    was franchised.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 13:38:56 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by xannie_01

    i guess i'm stupid;
    i just assumed that a chain
    was franchised.


    Chains can be franchised or corporate even within the same "chain". Weird isn't it. I assumed one OR the other.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 13:44:22 (permalink)
    Some less than delicately phrased posts, and those that quoted them have been deleted.

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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 13:45:27 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by xannie_01

    i guess i'm stupid;
    i just assumed that a chain
    was franchised.


    well, a chain of restaurants is created when additional location of the same restaurant are opened. But not all chains are franchised. A franchise is basically a license to own and operate a business using the already established trademark and business model for a recurring fee. In fact, the license agreement usually stipulates that you MUST use their business model and your business is continually checked to make sure you are conducting business as licensed - or, you may be subject to loose your business license. The proprietor that is buying the license is the franchise. The corporation may also own restaurants of its own, which, therefore, those locations are not technically franshises.

    Any restaurant that is not operating under a franchise agreement, is not a franchise.

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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 13:47:12 (permalink)
    Scorereader,
    thanks for the explanation.
    i appreciate it.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 14:09:02 (permalink)
    Hey, thanks Tony! This thread looks way better.

    Looks like we are learning some stuff here now.

    From some talk on anouther thread I just did some googling about El Finix, interesting history! 15 locations in the DFW area, all still family owned. They started the tex mex revolution in 1918. I have eaten there since 1952. Hey I sarted young. Great food that has not changed much since I can remember. Is it roadfood, I think yes.

    And Xannie, don't forget that Pancho's that makes the pasole (spelling?). The one near me makes some geat stuffed bell peppers.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 14:10:43 (permalink)
    you're right, papajoe..i DID forget!
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/10/31 14:30:47 (permalink)
    Xannie, thats maybe because your post in the Pancho's thread mysteriously disapeared. Hmmm, maybe Tony got it? Na, it was a good post.

    Is my Pancho's location that makes the bell peppers, and Xannie's that makes the pasole, roadfood? Both owners make stuff unique for their locations.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/04 13:39:59 (permalink)
    I have put off posting about some things because I was uncertain of where the best place to post it might be. I think others may have the same concerns. The pourpose of my questions on this thread was mainly about where to post things here at roadfood. There is, I think, some agreement to my 3 definitions, and the 4th, stated by TJ, is not in question.

    I think I will use these guidelines when posting, untill further info comes to light. If I post about a multi location restaurant somewhere other than in the FF section, I will say why I think it is a roadfood place. This is not to say that I think these places are the best examples of true roadfood.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/04 14:55:59 (permalink)

    I haven't looked at this thread before today, but it brings back memories that extend many years back.
    When I worked for HoJo's in the early 60's, I worked at a "Company Store"...owned and operated by the Howard Johnson Corporation. It was located on I-95 (the old version) about 20 miles north of Boston. It was part of a 'service area' with a gas station and restaurant on both sides of the freeway(we were on the North bound side).
    25 miles north of us was the next HoJo's Restaurant (with a motel attached). It was at the Portsmouth, NH rotary. It was a franchise store. I assume the motel was part of the franchise deal. They got their supplies from the same trucks that delivered to the company store, but the regional execs who used to monitor the service and cleanliness of our store would not visit the Portsmouth location,"because it was not their job to inspect the franchise location". (quote from a Regional Manager for HOJO's that I recall!.

    Maybe it was just an attitude I had at the time, but it seemed like the franchise store got the short end of the stick from the company when it came to support services from the company.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/05 00:49:24 (permalink)
    In MY opinion a company that franchises is not roadfood. If a family owns and runs multiple locations then it probably can be considered roadfood.

    In n Out burger, family owned but not family run. Not roadfood.

    McD's, BK, Hardees, Tony Roma's and many many more are not roadfood.

    King's NY style Pizza near me has 5 locations all owned and ran by brothers and 1 cousin. It is roadfood. If they start franchising then they lose that.

    PJ8, post where you think a topic should go, if the mods don't agree we'll move it to where we think it should be. Don't not post because you don't know where to put it. OK?

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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/05 14:25:16 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike! I try not to let uncertanty stop me from posting, but I have found myself not posting because I wanted to think about the best place to make the post.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/06 00:59:58 (permalink)
    You're welcome.

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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/07 18:29:40 (permalink)
    There was a good suggestion made somewhere here at roadfood that if you think a post is in the wrong place, contact a moderator of that section.

    Lets have a happy site.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/07 21:41:58 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by PapaJoe8

    Thanks Mike! I try not to let uncertanty stop me from posting, but I have found myself not posting because I wanted to think about the best place to make the post.Joe


    DON'T DO That!
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/08 10:02:24 (permalink)
    To me it's like the song says "just another cafe, on a windswept hyway".

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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/08 11:51:41 (permalink)
    I can't help thinking about where to post things but now I have a few guidelines.

    Is that a song Joe? I like it!
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/08 12:17:13 (permalink)
    The FF section has done allot for the "where to post" issue. My hope is that this thread might help some also.

    I still have a question about where to post a taco recipe, in the mexican or the recipe section. The "chili" thread has the sticky recipe thread. The soup thread has lots of recipes also. So I think in the mexican would be best for a taco recipe. I stared a thread about flour tortillas but I thought that would fit better in the recipe section. Hey, it's not a perfect world.
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/08 12:31:39 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by PapaJoe8

    I can't help thinking about where to post things but now I have a few guidelines.

    Is that a song Joe? I like it!
    Joe


    Pat Green sang it and Walt Wilkins wrote it. Its called Ruby's Two Sad Daughters.

    When the sun hits it right on its way down it was the prettiest thing in our little town. Every hour I'd sneak a glance over at the plastic frame and cracked glass that holds the picture of Ruby's two sad daughters. Last mill closed when I was nine and Daddy left and Momma cried again, I spent my nights cleaning Ruby's floors, just another cafe on a wind swept highway the farmers bitched, we're no good at football anymore.

    joe

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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/08 12:39:17 (permalink)
    You must be a music guy Joe! Have you met Scorereader yet?

    About my #3 above?
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/09 12:41:12 (permalink)
    Ok then, I'm sticking with my #3. I think I will say that the dish is roadfood, not the restaurant.

    Happy posting all! Did I say I love this site? Oh, well I do!!!
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    RE: What can be defined as a roadfood chain? 2006/11/09 18:33:41 (permalink)
    My grandzillas would tease me about being bald. I just told them that grass does not grow on a well troden path. "troden" spelling???

    Marcbla, T J has never bothered me with his coments. I do think it best to advise a mod if you think a post is in the wrong place.

    Let's have a have a happy site. And, a great site!!!!!

    Yall are scared to coment on my #3.
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