What makes you scream, "WTF?"

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Originally posted by roossy90

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Originally posted by Tony Bad

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Originally posted by EliseT

People who cut me off and almost hit me when I am the only one on the road. It's not like they had to rush to slip into traffic.

That one gets me too...a similar one is when you are an empty road, with no one behind you for a long while, and someone passes you, gets in front of you and then hits their brakes to make a turn forcing you to slow down as well.

AAAArrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Or... someone waiting to get into traffic, and turns right in front of you, even though there is no one behind you for miles.
And then goes 35 in a 50 MPH zone...Forcing you to pass THEM!
Another Arrrggghhhhhhhhhhh.......And WTF!

Or ditzy girls who flip their SUVs.
oh wait........

Bill,
I haven't heard (or read) the word Ditzy since my Grandfather used it to describe my first wife when he met her for the first time. ( Yeah, I should have listened!) WTF !

The above post kinda makes me go WTF?

You can be against a war and for the troops. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't support the war and I don't think what we're doing over there is working. Do I support the troops? Absolutely. I wish they had more funding, better equipment, better pay and better benefits when they get back here or when they retire, I wish they had a better plan for what they're trying to accomplish over there.

I'm as liberal as one can be, pretty much. Do I support the men and women of our armed forces? Absolutely. Their jobs are difficult to begin with, we should do everything we can to help them do that job and keep them out of harm's way as much as possible. Do I think what the administration is currently doing is helping them do that job or keep them out of harm's way? I do not.

Do I support a troop withdrawal? Yes.
Do I think that withdrawal should be as soon as October 08? No. I think they need more time than that. I do think we need a timetable.

The mindset that equates questioning with "not supporting the troops" is ridiculous. Many brave men and women have died so that we have that right. To me, not using our democratic right to question our government, our leaders, and what we are doing is ridiculous. To me, not questioning, not speaking up and using our voice, that's not supporting the troops. To stand by and be silent, that's Un-American.

I've said my piece.

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Originally posted by improviser

The above post kinda makes me go WTF?

You can be against a war and for the troops. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't support the war and I don't think what we're doing over there is working. Do I support the troops? Absolutely. I wish they had more funding, better equipment, better pay and better benefits when they get back here or when they retire, I wish they had a better plan for what they're trying to accomplish over there.

I'm as liberal as one can be, pretty much. Do I support the men and women of our armed forces? Absolutely. Their jobs are difficult to begin with, we should do everything we can to help them do that job and keep them out of harm's way as much as possible. Do I think what the administration is currently doing is helping them do that job or keep them out of harm's way? I do not.

Do I support a troop withdrawal? Yes.
Do I think that withdrawal should be as soon as October 08? No. I think they need more time than that. I do think we need a timetable.

The mindset that equates questioning with "not supporting the troops" is ridiculous. Many brave men and women have died so that we have that right. To me, not using our democratic right to question our government, our leaders, and what we are doing is ridiculous. To me, not questioning, not speaking up and using our voice, that's not supporting the troops. To stand by and be silent, that's Un-American.

I've said my piece.

...and you said a lot of things that are hard to argue with regardless of your political leanings. Well done!

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Originally posted by Tony Bad

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Originally posted by improviser

The above post kinda makes me go WTF?

You can be against a war and for the troops. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't support the war and I don't think what we're doing over there is working. Do I support the troops? Absolutely. I wish they had more funding, better equipment, better pay and better benefits when they get back here or when they retire, I wish they had a better plan for what they're trying to accomplish over there.

I'm as liberal as one can be, pretty much. Do I support the men and women of our armed forces? Absolutely. Their jobs are difficult to begin with, we should do everything we can to help them do that job and keep them out of harm's way as much as possible. Do I think what the administration is currently doing is helping them do that job or keep them out of harm's way? I do not.

Do I support a troop withdrawal? Yes.
Do I think that withdrawal should be as soon as October 08? No. I think they need more time than that. I do think we need a timetable.

The mindset that equates questioning with "not supporting the troops" is ridiculous. Many brave men and women have died so that we have that right. To me, not using our democratic right to question our government, our leaders, and what we are doing is ridiculous. To me, not questioning, not speaking up and using our voice, that's not supporting the troops. To stand by and be silent, that's Un-American.

I've said my piece.

...and you said a lot of things that are hard to argue with regardless of your political leanings. Well done!

Very much so. Thanks to both of you.

The referenced post has apparently been deleted. Thankfully.

Hello All,
I wish the referenced post hadn't been deleted.
I did not agree with the deleted post, but it
was someone's opinions and feelings. It was their
right to be heard...their right to feel and believe
the way they are.
I wish that we didn't have a volunteer army.
I don't wish to offend anyone... but I want a citizen
defense force that protects our country against invaders.
I don't want a Professional Army. When we go to war, we
all must hurt, all must feel the personal pain of potential
loss and sacrifice. We can't raise a special class of
warrior families that learn the art, pain, and stupidity of war.
And the futility of war.
A military is needed, but for honourable reasons.
It is needed because of our base, lower nature. Let us work
to make that need end.
We must strive to be better. We must think, reason, and act
to make a reality that makes the use of force a sin.
How lost we are!
We tolerate being an occupying force in a land that is not ours,
while we complain about taxes, the price of gas, the ethics and motives
of our leaders. Just think of all of our societal and personal problems.
But that is where we are at.
I don't want to say, WTF.
I want to be part of an answer to WTF.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle
P.S. Sorry for being me instead of being light-hearted which is the spirit of this thread.

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Originally posted by Fieldthistle

It was their
right to be heard...

Actually, it's not. That's why it was deleted.

Interesting since CNN is the source.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/02/iraq.scenarios/index.html

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Originally posted by Larry - RibRater - Jay

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Originally posted by Fieldthistle

It was their
right to be heard...

Actually, it's not. That's why it was deleted.

The poster may have had the right to give his opinion, but that wasn't all he did~he was putting down others that he felt didn't share his opinion.

It's one thing to express an opinion, but don't degrade others in the process. That is against RoadFood policy {and makes me say "WTF"?!!?!!, just to keep on topic!! }

Hello All,
I don't believe in degrading anyone.
It is against my faith and reasoning.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle

A driver waiting multiple minutes for a parking space. It would have taken less time to park at an empty space and walk then the wait for someone to unload parcels, get in the car and drive away.

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Originally posted by susanll
A driver waiting multiple minutes for a parking space. It would have taken less time to park at an empty space and walk then the wait for someone to unload parcels, get in the car and drive away.

On the flip side, I'm sure I've caused other drivers to say WTF (and probably a few other choice things) after they've waited for me to walk to my car...open the trunk...load it...close it...and go back into the store/mall.

Brad

quote]On the flip side, I'm sure I've caused other drivers to say WTF (and probably a few other choice things) after they've waited for me to walk to my car...open the trunk...load it...close it...and go back into the store/mall.

Brad


Tee Hee, I get some joy out of that for some reason.

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Originally posted by Brad_Olson

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Originally posted by susanll
A driver waiting multiple minutes for a parking space. It would have taken less time to park at an empty space and walk then the wait for someone to unload parcels, get in the car and drive away.

On the flip side, I'm sure I've caused other drivers to say WTF (and probably a few other choice things) after they've waited for me to walk to my car...open the trunk...load it...close it...and go back into the store/mall.

Brad

I had a lovely woman curse at me and my kids a couple of weeks ago because we did just that. After getting my kids in their car seat my son announced he needed to use the bathroom, so we headed back to the store, which angered this woman quite a bit. It was as if she had an appointment to use that spot and I was overstaying my alotted time. My kids almost learned some new words that day when I put an end to her ranting.

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Originally posted by Fieldthistle

Hello All,

I wish that we didn't have a volunteer army.
I don't wish to offend anyone... but I want a citizen
defense force that protects our country against invaders.
I don't want a Professional Army. When we go to war, we
all must hurt, all must feel the personal pain of potential
loss and sacrifice. We can't raise a special class of
warrior families that learn the art, pain, and stupidity of war.
And the futility of war.
A military is needed, but for honourable reasons.
It is needed because of our base, lower nature. Let us work
to make that need end.

I would like to add just a few comments. Field is as always the voice of reason but I must somewhat disagree w/ this post. My belief is we must have a core of professional soldiers (Pointers, Ring Knockers, Norwich (those guys know armour) and Citadel (got to have a few Southern boys to balance it out)) to lead from the front.

Switzerland and Israel require military service from ALL citizens. The swiss even send you home w/ all your gear including and AUTOMATIC rifle. Don't even think of invading there...an automatic .308 H&K can ruin your whole day.

I think we would help many young people by requiring a year or two of service. I know we would help our country. Or as a option...an idea from a sci fi book...Star Troopers? where military service was required to be a citizen...interesting concept.

Hello All,
V960, I agree with the concept of of a core of professional specialists, and have no problems with
military colleges.
I just believe in civilian service, especially in the military. It would make our country less
willing to go to war and instill some discipline and unity in our society. And make us all
share in sacrifice and pride.
Hey, joining the Peace Corp should be regarded just as noble as joining the Marines.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle

Originally posted by Fieldthistle

Hello All,
V960, I agree with the concept of of a core of professional specialists, and have no problems with
military colleges.
I just believe in civilian service, especially in the military. It would make our country less
willing to go to war and instill some discipline and unity in our society. And make us all
share in sacrifice and pride.
Hey, joining the Peace Corp should be regarded just as noble as joining the Marines.

I personally think the Peace Corp is MORE honorable than ANY military branch. They can't call in Arty or fast movers when feces hits the fan.

I will step out on the end of the tiny branch and express my thought that all citizens should be required to do service...domestic, Peace Corp, Military (even Jar Head crap) but something to give back to our country. "Ask not what your country...etc"

I have two daughters who laugh at public service. One of my failures at being a parent. They are both headed for the prom tonight...when did a stretch Limo become required? Of course we have to have two limos because they go to different schools (another rant later).

I sit in my office and see a blue Herron, four ducks and a muskrat at my pond. Life is good, except for the muskrat who I will shoot in the next few minutes. They burrow into a pond wall and destroy your pond. On the other hand they are quite tasty, later folks I've rambled enough.

Before anyone advocates compulsory service I hope they are old enough to remember the pre-lottery draft of the Vietnam era and the stress it put on the lives of young people. I'm sure a government would just love to have an unlimited supply of cannon fodder.

The quickest way to get out of Iraq is for our young people to wake up and quit volunteering for the military. But it probably won't happen. As a Vietnam era volunteer in the US Navy after college and after I knew I would not be drafted proved to me that when 20% of my OCS class that did not have to serve in Vietnam volunteered anyway that it was something else. Maybe a macho thing. It must be in our genes to be warriors. Or we simply have to prove our mettle. Have you noticed in the casualties that it is not a improverished black fodder in Iraq getting killed like it was in Vietnam? In Minnesota it has been men with wives and children, former HS star athletes (missing the glory?) and simply young men wanting to find themselves. At least it was their choice.

Yeah, its great to think you would have a choice of serving in a peace corp but the facts are simple. Most people are not cut out for that kind of service and civilian corp service in the United States in a healthy economy would be nothing more than indentured servitude for the masses. Those that are idealistically commited are going to do so. My daughter-in-law served in Vista in Wyoming. My son, not in the Peace Corp, volunteered in Bolivia to teach English in a high school. My daughter worked for a non-profit in Pittsburgh to promote the outdoor environment and adventure. She also volunteered for many city civic promotion ventures. People do things and fill voids. I observed it first hand. But you cannot force them. People do rise to the ocassion. That's how our country got started.

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Originally posted by improviser

The above post kinda makes me go WTF?

You can be against a war and for the troops. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't support the war and I don't think what we're doing over there is working. Do I support the troops? Absolutely. I wish they had more funding, better equipment, better pay and better benefits when they get back here or when they retire, I wish they had a better plan for what they're trying to accomplish over there.

I'm as liberal as one can be, pretty much. Do I support the men and women of our armed forces? Absolutely. Their jobs are difficult to begin with, we should do everything we can to help them do that job and keep them out of harm's way as much as possible. Do I think what the administration is currently doing is helping them do that job or keep them out of harm's way? I do not.

Do I support a troop withdrawal? Yes.
Do I think that withdrawal should be as soon as October 08? No. I think they need more time than that. I do think we need a timetable.

The mindset that equates questioning with "not supporting the troops" is ridiculous. Many brave men and women have died so that we have that right. To me, not using our democratic right to question our government, our leaders, and what we are doing is ridiculous. To me, not questioning, not speaking up and using our voice, that's not supporting the troops. To stand by and be silent, that's Un-American.

I've said my piece.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you. This idea that "you can't support the troops unless you support the mission" is total BS, and unfortunately it's people on "my side of the fence" that parrot that ridiculousness. (I don't know if "ridiculousness" is a real word, but you catch my drift.)

As for me, I'm searching for a new pasture...

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Originally posted by Bushie

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Originally posted by improviser

The above post kinda makes me go WTF?

You can be against a war and for the troops. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't support the war and I don't think what we're doing over there is working. Do I support the troops? Absolutely. I wish they had more funding, better equipment, better pay and better benefits when they get back here or when they retire, I wish they had a better plan for what they're trying to accomplish over there.

I'm as liberal as one can be, pretty much. Do I support the men and women of our armed forces? Absolutely. Their jobs are difficult to begin with, we should do everything we can to help them do that job and keep them out of harm's way as much as possible. Do I think what the administration is currently doing is helping them do that job or keep them out of harm's way? I do not.

Do I support a troop withdrawal? Yes.
Do I think that withdrawal should be as soon as October 08? No. I think they need more time than that. I do think we need a timetable.

The mindset that equates questioning with "not supporting the troops" is ridiculous. Many brave men and women have died so that we have that right. To me, not using our democratic right to question our government, our leaders, and what we are doing is ridiculous. To me, not questioning, not speaking up and using our voice, that's not supporting the troops. To stand by and be silent, that's Un-American.

I've said my piece.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you. This idea that "you can't support the troops unless you support the mission" is total BS, and unfortunately it's people on "my side of the fence" that parrot that ridiculousness. (I don't know if "ridiculousness" is a real word, but you catch my drift.)

As for me, I'm searching for a new pasture...

Ridiculousness is a perfectly good word, Bushie. And thanks for this post.

My brother was career army -- 20 and out -- and my younger brother in law was in the first Mr. Bush's mideast adventure. To equate my dislike and disagreement of the war with failure to support the troops is, obviously, deeply offensive to me.

Thanks for all the responses to my post, everybody.

Equating not supporting the war with not supporting the troops drives me up the wall. As Bushie said, it's people on his side of the fence who generally say that BUT many of the people on my side of the fence never speak up and say, "Now hold on a minute" whenever it is said. So both sides are to blame.

Civil political discourse seems to be disappearing in a lot of places but, happily, not on these forums.

As a Marine Corps brat, I have always thought that compulsory public service would be good for most young people who have no idea about the sacrifices made by those who serve (Marines, soldiers, firemen, police, peace corps, etc.) However, the unfortunate fact is that this kind of service isn't safe for 50% of the young people. Approximately 1/3 of women serving in the Peace Corps are raped during their service (either by the people they are trying to help or by fellow volunteers.) Women who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are reporting sexual assaults by fellow Marines and soldiers at astronomical rates. Many are afraid to leave their barracks alone. Finally, if women aren't subjected to actual physical assault, they are likely to be subjected to sexual harassment or discrimination.

It's hard to believe we live in the 21st century sometimes.

Ok, I had to dredge this one back up

The thing that made me SCREAM WTF this weekend....

The last episode of "The Sopranos".... WTF

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Originally posted by CajunKing

Ok, I had to dredge this one back up

The thing that made me SCREAM WTF this weekend....

The last episode of "The Sopranos".... WTF

I, too, screamed WTF at the ending of the show. I thought, as others, my cable went out. My husband came in asking me what was wrong because I said it so loud. I liked the ending though.