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bhauman

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Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 5:21 PM (permalink)
I was wondering if anyone here could tell me the easiest way to get a website for my restaurant? All the options seem expensive and complex.
 
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    jman

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    RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 5:53 PM (permalink)
    www.godaddy.com Use their tools to design your site.

    Or

    www.register.com and use their design tools
     
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      UncleVic

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      RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 5:54 PM (permalink)
       
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        The Travelin Man

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        RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 6:00 PM (permalink)
        There is the old adage that you get what you pay for, and the Internet is often no different. To have a web site, you need a couple of things.

        First, you need a domain name. If the name of your restaurant is "Rick's Barbecue Stand," you need to register your domain name. One of the cheapest around is www.godaddy.com - you may have seen their bizarre ads during the Super Bowl, but this is what they do. You may need to try a few variations of www.ricksbbqstand.com or www.ricks.com or www.ricksbbq.com before you find one that works. Godaddy will let you know if you chose a domain that someone else already owns and suggest similar ones for you to use. This is important because it becomes your online identity and you want something easy to remember and something that would come up easy in searches.

        Actually, that is the easy part. Because now once you have your domain, you need to pay someone else to "host" your site. Godaddy will also do this, but there are a few other places online, too.

        Still...this is the easy work. The hard part is designing a good web site that gets your message across and is visually appealing to someone who stumbles by. Unless you have experience in writing computer code, your best bet is to hire this part out. This is where the bulk of your expense will be, but it will also have the greatest impact on whether or not your site is successful. Your best bet? Put up a notice at the local university asking for web design help. College students are always looking to make a few extra bucks, their knowledge of technology is current, and they will likely work a little cheaper than their professional counterparts. The more complex the work, the more money it will cost.

        After that, you are ready to go...good luck!
         
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          jman

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          RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 6:17 PM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by The Travelin Man

          Unless you have experience in writing computer code, your best bet is to hire this part out. This is where the bulk of your expense will be, but it will also have the greatest impact on whether or not your site is successful. Your best bet? Put up a notice at the local university asking for web design help. College students are always looking to make a few extra bucks, their knowledge of technology is current, and they will likely work a little cheaper than their professional counterparts. The more complex the work, the more money it will cost.

          After that, you are ready to go...good luck!


          With today's tools you don't need to know HTML code to produce a good looking website. If the purpose of your site is primarily for information-only and not as an e-commerce site, the tools available to you can produce a professional looking site. If you want people to be able to place orders from your site, it becomes a little bigger task.
           
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            joerogo

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            RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 6:26 PM (permalink)
            bhauman, I posted a source the other day but it got deleted. I should of asked before I made the post.

            Its a free webpage with photos and videos. Also the ability to send emails. Very easy to use. All for free.

            Send me an email and I'll forward the info.
             
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              Greyghost

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              RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 7:30 PM (permalink)
              So far you have been given good advice. My primary web site is not commercial and deals with history. I own my domain name for it but do not use it as I do not want to rent space I already have as a part of my AOL subscription. I am happy with my hits doing things this way, over 2.5 million so far...not bad for an obscure history site on AOL. So I have learned a few things about doing things on the cheap on the web.

              Here are a few pointers I have:

              1. Do the site yourself...you probably already have an HTML editing program on your computer. Learn how to use it. If not seek out free ones on the web. Go to your library and get a book on HTML. This will help you in the long run as you will be in control rather than a cookie cutter machine you do not understand and cannot control if something goes wrong.

              2. Keep it simple and dial up friendly...you don't need photos with huge resolution, use an editing program that can pare down the megabytes needed for a good photo on the web.

              3. Know your search engines. Right now Google is king so submit the site to Google, but also submit it to every other search engine you can find. Don't spam or try to hype any search engine. You can self describe your site, but keep to the facts. Don't tout yourself as the best or anything like that. Do talk about your specialities, though.

              4. Make friends. Have as many high quality sites or fans link to you as you can possibly manage. This is very important as search engines look for how many quality links you have pointing at you.

              5. Don't ignore directories. Submit to them as well. Again, tell them what you do truthfully. They are valuable links.

              6. Make the site informative. State what you do clearly and why you are better than the competition without hype. Describe your recipes, fully and above all state your prices and any customer friendly policy you have.

              Hope I have helped a bit. Good luck.
               
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                UncleVic

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                RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 7:43 PM (permalink)
                Another easy way to build a site is to buy a template.. All your graphics, menus, etc, are already done. Just use the parts you need. Templates cost anywhere from around 20 bucks to a couple hundred. All you have to do then is type in your info.
                 
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                  Greyghost

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                  RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 8:06 PM (permalink)
                  Sorry to disagree with you Uncle Vic, but a cookie cutter site will not stand out, just as a cookie cutter recipe in a restaurant will never stand out. The recipe for both is the same. You have to know what you are doing and if in competition, you have to do it better and have your signature on it.

                  Otherwise you will be lost in the crowd and justifiably ignored.
                   
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                    UncleVic

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                    RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 8:18 PM (permalink)
                    Thats OK Greyghost. I just suggested it for the fact the person knows nothing about creating, so offered some simple solutions. Food and Drink sample templates: http://www.pixelmill.com/products/sr/pt_1/cat_29/reset/
                     
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                      Greyghost

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                      RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 8:34 PM (permalink)
                      As I have said before, I would never try to second guess you Uncle Vic, but I do not believe in templates. Surely, a template would put this restaurant on the web map, but in a very obscure place. Learning how to do it yourself is much better in my humble opinion. It is not rocket science and easily learned.
                       
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                        Davydd

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                        RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 8:43 PM (permalink)
                        I use .mac and the iWeb software. It is extremely easy. No skill necessary except for maybe some design sense. The software comes on the Macintosh but .mac cost about $100 per year and a domain name is another nominal yearly cost. I still just alias my domain to the .mac site but I understand I can bypass that but haven't bothered. Look around at my site. The software can do a lot more than what I have done.

                        http://www.porktenderloinsandwich.com
                         
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                          Greyghost

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                          RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 10:28 PM (permalink)
                          Davydd,

                          Your food looks great and very tempting, I know I would love it, but in my mind the site has flaws. It is an example of everything I was cautioning against. Please take my comments as advice and not as criticism. Ok here is the advice.

                          1. It takes a long time to load because of all the pictures on the front page. This might be fine if all your customers are using broadband, but you can't count on that. The dial up people will be gone before they ever see the site.

                          2. You have many pages to work with. Use the front page to introduce yourself and describe what you offer. Keep the load level low, use text to describe your products. Talk about your pork tenderloin and the variations you do. This is what the search engines will index all to your benefit.

                          3. Photos are fine but put them on separate pages with descriptions and make sure you always link them back to the main page as well as all other pages. This helps greatly in being indexed. Google Images might index the photos, but without tags and text descriptions on each one they will be useless to you.

                          4. Show your personality, this looks like a template site and a casual web visitor will probably ignore it because it does not stand out. I know you write well and are very creative...just show it on the site.

                          5. Try video if you have the capability. Show people the tender loving care you put into your food. Post the videos on You Tube as well and link back to the site.

                          Just a few thoughts on the site, but these were my first impressions on visiting. I hope you take my comments as an honest attempt to help and not as criticism.
                           
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                            Davydd

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                            RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 11:36 PM (permalink)
                            Greyghost,

                            Most of the site originally started out as no more than just photo galleries. Indeed I did start out with templates. I had the bulk of my whole website up in less than an hour and a half online from start to finish including this page that is the introductory page, and several other photo galleries.

                            http://www.tonkawoods.com

                            And I recently I added this page to organize the vacation photo galleries and is probably the direction I may go with the pork tenderloins. It took not more than 15 minutes to add this page and index the galleries.

                            http://web.mac.com/davydd/Site/Vacations/Vacations.html

                            Keep digging. The Pork Tenderloin Sandwich Blog is organized in an indexed way along with an archive and where I do go into great detail.

                            http://web.mac.com/davydd/Site/Pork_Tenderloin_Sandwich_Blog/Pork_Tenderloin_Sandwich_Blog.html

                            I do have video capability. In fact I do reference[url='http://www.jensenrufe.com/documentaries/tenderloin/index.html']In Search of the Famous Hoosier Breaded Pork Tenderloin Sandwich[/url] video from another website in porktenderloinsandwich.com as well as a feature page for Nick's Kitchen and my tutorial and recipe. I can also embed my own videos on a page from iPhoto or iTunes on my Mac. In fact I do have one up on making a pork tenderloin sandwich but I don't link it or give out the url for copyright permission reasons.

                            Interestingly with 38,700 hits in two years on the porktenderloinsandwich.com page no one has ever complained about its loading time. I take that to mean it is long past worrying about dial-up users. You can double-click on the individual photos for blowups or you can run a slide show. Mainly because of the web counter and the fact the site sits on top of the pork tenderloin sandwich Google search I haven't messed too much with the layout. This was a just for fun hobby. What I don't want to do is use Photobucket, Flickr, Google and other commercial sites with embedded advertising. The only ad is a token icon for Apple on my Welcome page and that was of my doing.
                             
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                              joerogo

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                              RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sat, 03/15/08 11:36 PM (permalink)
                              Davydd, I took the liberty to search for some of the listings from your webpage. Some have claimed their free site and some have not. This is what I was recommending as a cheap startup.

                              http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Slipperys.Bar.And.Grill.651-565-4748

                              http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Rustix.Restaurant.And.Reception.515-332-1441

                              http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Farmers.Kitchen.712-243-2898

                              Jeez I hope I'm not digging a hole here. I have no financial interest in this at all. Just want to help my fellow small business people.

                              I'm just a lowly contractor, honest! www.northeastwindow.com
                               
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                                The Travelin Man

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                                RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 12:52 AM (permalink)
                                I thought I was going to be taken to task by someone who makes their living designing professional web sites, not the self-helpers!

                                My suggestion to seek outside help via the college is because I don't know what level of background of even using a computer the original poster has. In my mind, it would be tough enough to operate the restaurant full-time than to worry about things like a web site. Again, going back to the original post, one of the things s/he said was that the options seemed "complex." One way to make things less complex is to hire out the details to someone who has a better knowledge base/understanding than you do.

                                This also depends a lot on your clientèle, but for me, a web site is a crucial extension of your business. If you operate a place that caters to the early bird/retirement community crowd, it may be more important to consider that many of your customers are using basic technology (dial-up) - enough to email the grandkids and look up the newspaper back home (I know that's what my buddy's dad used his computer for - and that's it). If you are aiming for a younger, more tech-savvy crowd, a poorly designed or operating web site is of no help - and may even hurt business.
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Davydd

                                What I don't want to do is use Photobucket, Flickr, Google and other commercial sites with embedded advertising.


                                I have a flickr account and don't see any embedded advertising. But, it is just a photo hosting site, it doesn't have all the full capabilities to make a comprehensive web site.

                                You can also set up a blogger.com (blogspot) account for free and manipulate that with no embedded ads, either (unless you choose to add them to generate revenue).
                                 
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                                  Foodbme

                                  RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 4:46 AM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by bhauman

                                  I was wondering if anyone here could tell me the easiest way to get a website for my restaurant? All the options seem expensive and complex.


                                  #1 - What kind of a restaurant is it?
                                  #2 - Go to other restaurants web sites of a similiar type as yours.
                                  #3 - Find a couple sites you like.
                                  34 - look at the bottom of those sites and see who designed them.
                                  #5 - Contact those web designers and see what they can do for you and how much they charge
                                  #6 Make a decision.


                                  PLAN "B" - - Google "Restaurant Website Design"
                                   
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                                    jimsock9

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                                    RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 5:30 AM (permalink)
                                    Davydd ~ I was just reading this thread & when I saw the link to your site I clicked on it to check it out.
                                    I really enjoyed it! Lots of great pictures & food! Interesting travel spots, too. I think that with the content of your site being captivating as it is that this "template" issue is not very noticable. The other members that are giving you their advice are much more knowledgable than I am, for sure, but as your casual, everyday web-surfer I thought your site is real good & I've bookmarked it for future visits.
                                    Thankyou and good luck with all you do,
                                    ~Jimsock9~
                                     
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                                      Stephen Rushmore Jr.

                                      RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 7:24 AM (permalink)
                                      I have contacts in India who can build you a simple and elegant web site for a very reasonable cost. Contact me if you are interested.
                                       
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                                        jman

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                                        RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 11:34 AM (permalink)
                                        TROLL!!!

                                        From whois.com

                                        http:// (edit) .com
                                        Registrant:
                                        Bruce Hauman
                                        PO Box 19024
                                        Asheville, North Carolina 28801
                                        United States
                                         
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                                          chewingthefat

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                                          RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 12:02 PM (permalink)
                                          quote:
                                          Originally posted by jman

                                          TROLL!!!

                                          From whois.com

                                          http:// (edit) .com
                                          Registrant:
                                          Bruce Hauman
                                          PO Box 19024
                                          Asheville, North Carolina 28801
                                          United States



                                          Damn jman, good work! Ex FBI ????
                                           
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                                            RibRater

                                            RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 12:02 PM (permalink)
                                            This thread contains some good advice so it can stay but the OP is locked and his "advice" (to use the service he was pimping) has been deleted. Please stay on topic.
                                             
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                                              Davydd

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                                              RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Sun, 03/16/08 1:41 PM (permalink)
                                              If you want a good website hire a professional service. Check out your local competition and see how they do it. Usually if they hired someone there will be a credit at the bottom of the page as to who did it. I'm not a professional but was only trying to point out that if you want to do it there are many ways to do it easily and was just adding to the pile of advice.

                                              Here is one thing I learned about the porktenderloinsandwich.com page being a photo gallery versus my welcome page tonkawoods.com. Google search gives credence to an always evolving page and the number of legit mentions of the search words. An always adding photo gallery helps. So if you have a welcome or home page it might be advisable to design it so it updates with new information frequently.

                                              The problem with my website is I just haven't taken much time to work on it despite being retired. Notice my blog hasn't been updated recently? Maybe it is because I spend too damn much time on Roadfood.com.
                                               
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                                                bassrocker4u2

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                                                RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Tue, 03/18/08 10:18 AM (permalink)
                                                i used "siteskins.net" for my barbeque website. they were awesome. really easy for me to set up and run. i had a simple site, that some of you may have seen, befoe i took it down. it only cost me ten dollars a year! that was for the domain name, the one page site was free. i dont think they have the free one page anymore, but i am still going to use thm for my new restaurant... crystal cafe.
                                                so with any luck, pretty soon, you all will be able to go to>>>>
                                                www.crystalcafe.com
                                                peace out! and no, i dont have any investment in siteskins, i just like their work.'

                                                mike
                                                 
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                                                  CajunKing

                                                  RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Tue, 03/18/08 2:53 PM (permalink)
                                                  I have used[url='www.networksolutions.com']Network Solutions[/url] for 2 sites that I am webmaster on. They have a very easy to use "editor". Pricewise they are comparable to GoDaddy and the other hosting companies.

                                                  Here are the links to my Lions Club & Camp Woodsmoke sites, you can use them for comparison to the others.

                                                  www.auroralions.org
                                                  www.campwoodsmoke.org

                                                  I used a basic template, and the editor
                                                   
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                                                    Big Ugly Mich

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                                                    RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Tue, 03/18/08 3:34 PM (permalink)
                                                    1. Get a Mac
                                                    2. Get iLife
                                                    3. Get .Mac (pronounced Dot Mac)
                                                    4. Go nuts with whatever you think will help sell your product
                                                     
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                                                      wheregreggeats.com

                                                      RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Tue, 03/18/08 4:27 PM (permalink)
                                                       
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                                                        jeffroz1

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                                                        RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Thu, 03/20/08 9:25 AM (permalink)
                                                        I use googles free website maker and have been real happy with the final product. It was very easy to get it going and it only cost $10/year. It gives you a link to godaddy.com to procure a website address. Everything was self explanitory.

                                                        zeidersconcessions.com
                                                         
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                                                          webziter

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                                                          RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Tue, 03/25/08 4:08 AM (permalink)
                                                          Hi bhauman.

                                                          As a web designer myself, I think the best way to select a web designer is by asking him for a free, no obligation mock-up. This way, you can get an idea of how the site layout and main graphics will look. Then try to be as specific as possible when describing your project. The more vague your description is, the more he'll charge.

                                                          Also, beware of high school and college kids. These kids know how to use the software but they have no idea about how to design a website that helps you attract and retain customers. They also have no sense of aesthetics required to design nice websites.

                                                          Here's where a good professional designer can make a difference. He'll design your website in a way that will be pleasing to the eye while providing easy access to the information your customers are looking for.

                                                          This last aspect is the most important. Your customers don't go to your site looking for complex graphics, impressive flash animations or pretty pictures. They go to your site because they want information and want it fast.

                                                          I've seen websites with annoying (but cool) Flash intros, Flash animations flying all over the screen, UFO sound effects, etc. and the kids that designed them think these things are cool to have on a business website. Well, the truth is that all these unnecessary elements will annoy your visitors and will slow down their surfing. Your visitors will run away from your site before they can get the information they want.

                                                          Now, don't be afraid to spend a few hundred dollars on a site. An honest freelance web designer should not charge more than $600-800 for a decent restaurant website design, domain, hosting and marketing advice. Some (like me) will even include free photography/video services so you can get pictures of all your delicious food on the site.

                                                          By the way, make sure you include a video somewhere on the home page. Video is like magic for websites. It makes you look very professional and inspires credibility. I believe video should be a must for any restaurant. If you can't afford a professional videographer, just purchase a digital camcorder and a tripod. I recommend the "flip video camera" for those who are on a budget. For about $120 you get excellent quality video for web use.

                                                          Feel free to ask any questions about web design.
                                                           
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                                                            Davydd

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                                                            RE: Whats the easiest way for me to get a website? Tue, 03/25/08 9:20 AM (permalink)
                                                            I'm going to give a bit of advice about restaurant web sites.

                                                            If you post a menu do not make a PDF of your actual menu. Make your menu search enabled. Put the text right in the HTML web page. Text embedded in PDF files cannot be searched on the internet. I search for the pork tenderloin sandwich in different localities before I go there. If they are embedded in the PDF file I cannot find them. So, if you have a unique menu item and want people to find you for that or if you want people to know what you serve, make it search enabled.

                                                            The other thing that irks me about restaurant sites on searches is they don't often tell you the location. Web sites are international not local. You are not advertising in your local newspaper. Make your city clear on your home page and when you give an address give a proper address that can be found with a GPS input. Cute doesn't cut it on the internet. People use the internet for information.
                                                             
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