Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone?

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 07/8/09 8:40 AM
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An interesting discussion, thanks.

I've mostly lived in areas with strong German heritage, so I can contribute a bit here.

I lived for a long time in Cincinnati, which supports a large German population.  Unfortunately, there aren't too many German places left there...certainly not as many places as Milwaukee still has, for example.  The best one I thought was Grammer's near downtown, but it closed as a full-service restaurant several years ago and now houses a bar with a limited German lunch-style menu.  Black Forest Restaurant is still going, north of Cincinnati in Mason (a few miles due west of Kings Island amusement park), with a full German menu.  I was last there to announce our engagement to our parents 20 years ago, so any review I post wouldn't be fair, but back then it was authentic and tasty.  Cincinnati also has a Hoffbrau House just across the river in Newport, KY.

I can also back the earlier post about Indianapolis' Rathskeller.  What a great building!  A very realistic German beer hall.  I don't remember the food too much, but the beer was good (or maybe I don't remember because the beer was good!)  ;)

For the last three years, I've been in Hermann, MO, a touristy river town with an interesting German-flavored history.  (Elementary school was taught in German here until the late 1930s.)  Surprisingly, there is not as much German food here as I expected.  Stone Hill's Vintage Restaurant, as Brad says in the quote below, has authentic German food that is delicious, and another winery in town (Hermannhof) has meats and cheeses etc to have your own casual meal.
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I just stumbled into the middle of a conversation between my wife and her parents, and the in-laws were talking about an excellent German meal they ate at the restaurant at the Stone Hill/Stonehill Winery in Herman, MO. Comparisons were made to the reputedly excellent cooking of my wife's great-grandmother, who was born and raised in Austria.

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There are also festivals like Wurstfest (late March), Maifest, BBQ & Brats Festival (late September), Kristkindel Markt in early December, and Octoberfest, when other German dishes can be found in town.  Also (please excuse the plug ahead) I operate a pie-and-coffee shop here that offers bratwurst sandwiches from famous local provider, Swiss Meats, as part of our limited menu.

I would like to hear more about the German restaurants in the St. Louis area.  Anyone?
The Black Forest closed last year unfortunately.

Our lunchgroup recently ate at:

http://www.olegstavern.com/About_Us.html



                          
 Oleg's Tavern is a family owned and operated restaurant located at
11929 Montgomery Rd. Cincinnati OH 45249


Our Mission is to provide a unique environment to have a delicious homemade natural meal, prepared especially for you! We also have wonderful custom prepared dinners, made just for your tastes. We will make the breakfast, lunch and dinner experience for every customer as enjoyable as possible! 
 
At the Oleg's Tavern, we strive to serve our guests fresh, antibiotic-free ingredients.  We want the true flavor of Chef Oleg’s German cuisine to speak for itself.  Thank you for helping us achieve our very own American Dream.  We are grateful. 
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 07/10/09 12:15 PM
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We recently ate at Woodbridge Inn in Jasper, Georgia with friends.  The owner was an East German border guard who defected and opened this restaurant and inn over thirty years ago.  The menu is not entirely German, but several very tasty German dishes are always on the menu.  They are located - appropriately enough - just across the wood bridge from downtown Jasper.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 07/10/09 12:21 PM
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I was interested to see on Olegs menu that they are still using veal for their schnitzel.So many of my favorite German places are using pork now.I dont like it nearly as much...  except for my all time favorite restaurant.
 
  
 
www.karlratzsch.com/
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 08/30/09 10:54 PM
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Thought I'd jump into the fray with a few more restaurants....

For Milwaukee, Maders, Karl Ratzsch, and Weissgerber's have already been mentioned. However, Bavarian Inn in Glendale (a suburb) is quite good: http://www.bavarianinnmilw.com/ Unfortunately, their hours are very limited: Tuesday and Friday for lunch, Sunday for brunch, and Friday for dinner. The place makes more business as a banquet hall, thus limiting sit-down hours.

There are other restaurants in Milwaukee that are more "German style" or "German-American" than strictly German, such as Kegel's Inn: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/kegelsinn.html

Also in this group is Pandl's in Whitefish Bay, another suburb:
http://www.jackpandls.com/

Other places with some German items are Turner Hall and Old German Beer Hall, both downtown.

For Buffalo, NY, someone already mentioned Scharf's Schiller, but Ulrich's Tavern (north of downtown in the ECMC area) also has some good German items going. And the atmosphere is fun: http://www.ulrichstavern.net/index.php


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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 08/30/09 10:59 PM
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In an earlier post Buddy Roadhouse mentioned a nice little place off of I-94 just north of the Wisconsin-Illinois border. This place, Little Europe, seems to have closed:

http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/sun_sets_on_little_europe_4098596.html

The trend continues, sadly.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Mon, 08/31/09 5:54 PM
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Brauhaus Schmitz is now open on South Street - great beer, great cooking.  Gets way too crowded on weekends but it is about time German cooking returned to Center City.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 10/14/09 6:38 PM
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Thought I'd jump into the fray with a few more restaurants....

For Milwaukee, Maders, Karl Ratzsch, and Weissgerber's have already been mentioned. However, Bavarian Inn in Glendale (a suburb) is quite good: http://www.bavarianinnmilw.com/ Unfortunately, their hours are very limited: Tuesday and Friday for lunch, Sunday for brunch, and Friday for dinner. The place makes more business as a banquet hall, thus limiting sit-down hours.

There are other restaurants in Milwaukee that are more "German style" or "German-American" than strictly German, such as Kegel's Inn: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/kegelsinn.html

Also in this group is Pandl's in Whitefish Bay, another suburb:
http://www.jackpandls.com/

Other places with some German items are Turner Hall and Old German Beer Hall, both downtown.

For Buffalo, NY, someone already mentioned Scharf's Schiller, but Ulrich's Tavern (north of downtown in the ECMC area) also has some good German items going. And the atmosphere is fun: http://www.ulrichstavern.net/index.php


Oh man where do I even start....I was born and raised in the Milwaukee area all of my life.  German traditions were huge for me.  All of my 4 grandparents were German immigrants.  I grew up with German traditions and ate every possible German meal one could imagine.  I worked for the Weissgerbers at the Golden Mast from 1981 till 1990 after I graduated from college.  I helped build and start their Gasthaus in Waukesha as well.  I had to wear Lederhosen at that stupid restaurant when they did their stupid German Fest in conjunction with the Germanfest at the Lake front.  Had to listen to a world champion yodeler who sounded like a sheep getting choked.  Do all of you want to know why German food is dead?
Look at how dorky the whole old world German tradition is!!  the food is loaded with Fat and tastes like s**t.  Dried out, overcooked, bland as hell.  Its that easy and this comes from a German.  Brats?  You bet I love them.  But how do you put sauerbraten or kassler Rippchen on a bun. Marketing is huge and the German tradition sucks at it.  And this is coming from a 100 percent German descendant. 

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 10/14/09 6:58 PM
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Thought I'd jump into the fray with a few more restaurants....

For Milwaukee, Maders, Karl Ratzsch, and Weissgerber's have already been mentioned. However, Bavarian Inn in Glendale (a suburb) is quite good: http://www.bavarianinnmilw.com/ Unfortunately, their hours are very limited: Tuesday and Friday for lunch, Sunday for brunch, and Friday for dinner. The place makes more business as a banquet hall, thus limiting sit-down hours.

There are other restaurants in Milwaukee that are more "German style" or "German-American" than strictly German, such as Kegel's Inn: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/kegelsinn.html

Also in this group is Pandl's in Whitefish Bay, another suburb:
http://www.jackpandls.com/

Other places with some German items are Turner Hall and Old German Beer Hall, both downtown.

For Buffalo, NY, someone already mentioned Scharf's Schiller, but Ulrich's Tavern (north of downtown in the ECMC area) also has some good German items going. And the atmosphere is fun: http://www.ulrichstavern.net/index.php


Oh man where do I even start....I was born and raised in the Milwaukee area all of my life.  German traditions were huge for me.  All of my 4 grandparents were German immigrants.  I grew up with German traditions and ate every possible German meal one could imagine.  I worked for the Weissgerbers at the Golden Mast from 1981 till 1990 after I graduated from college.  I helped build and start their Gasthaus in Waukesha as well.  I had to wear Lederhosen at that stupid restaurant when they did their stupid German Fest in conjunction with the Germanfest at the Lake front.  Had to listen to a world champion yodeler who sounded like a sheep getting choked.  Do all of you want to know why German food is dead?
Look at how dorky the whole old world German tradition is!!  the food is loaded with Fat and tastes like s**t.  Dried out, overcooked, bland as hell.  Its that easy and this comes from a German.  Brats?  You bet I love them.  But how do you put sauerbraten or kassler Rippchen on a bun. Marketing is huge and the German tradition sucks at it.  And this is coming from a 100 percent German descendant. 

To make up for the poor German yodeler you may really enjoy this Swiss group:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1oDrPy-XrA


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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 10/15/09 8:15 AM
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Thought I'd jump into the fray with a few more restaurants....

For Milwaukee, Maders, Karl Ratzsch, and Weissgerber's have already been mentioned. However, Bavarian Inn in Glendale (a suburb) is quite good: http://www.bavarianinnmilw.com/ Unfortunately, their hours are very limited: Tuesday and Friday for lunch, Sunday for brunch, and Friday for dinner. The place makes more business as a banquet hall, thus limiting sit-down hours.

There are other restaurants in Milwaukee that are more "German style" or "German-American" than strictly German, such as Kegel's Inn: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/kegelsinn.html

Also in this group is Pandl's in Whitefish Bay, another suburb:
http://www.jackpandls.com/

Other places with some German items are Turner Hall and Old German Beer Hall, both downtown.

For Buffalo, NY, someone already mentioned Scharf's Schiller, but Ulrich's Tavern (north of downtown in the ECMC area) also has some good German items going. And the atmosphere is fun: http://www.ulrichstavern.net/index.php


Oh man where do I even start....I was born and raised in the Milwaukee area all of my life.  German traditions were huge for me.  All of my 4 grandparents were German immigrants.  I grew up with German traditions and ate every possible German meal one could imagine.  I worked for the Weissgerbers at the Golden Mast from 1981 till 1990 after I graduated from college.  I helped build and start their Gasthaus in Waukesha as well.  I had to wear Lederhosen at that stupid restaurant when they did their stupid German Fest in conjunction with the Germanfest at the Lake front.  Had to listen to a world champion yodeler who sounded like a sheep getting choked.  Do all of you want to know why German food is dead?
Look at how dorky the whole old world German tradition is!!  the food is loaded with Fat and tastes like s**t.  Dried out, overcooked, bland as hell.  Its that easy and this comes from a German.  Brats?  You bet I love them.  But how do you put sauerbraten or kassler Rippchen on a bun. Marketing is huge and the German tradition sucks at it.  And this is coming from a 100 percent German descendant. 


My tone at the time I wrote this was obviously a bit negative....Sorry folks but I was having bad flashbacks.  The Weissgerbers have a reputation as being some extremely difficult people to work for and their arrogance about everything German was astronomical.  I dunno but my experiences with full blooded Germans who immigrated to the Milwaukee area has been negative in general.  Seems they are overly proud of their heritage and maybe a bit on the overboard side.  I'll never forget when they stood up drunk as hell at a German Fest they put on one July.  99 percent people there were born in the USA that were attending this and they kept going on about how stupid Americans are for even thinking about putting beer in a can.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 10/15/09 9:43 AM
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Recommend the Hofbrau Haus in Abbottstown PA:

http://www.germanfoodinpa.com/
 
I just posted and checked the link to Hofbrau Haus.  For whatever reason, I had to copy and paste to my browser.

Binkert's is a supplier to Hofbrau Haus and others.  Many embassies in Washington DC are Binkert's customers.  Binkert's has a retail outlet at their facility in Rosedale MD.  Short detour off I-95. 

http://www.binkerts.com/
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 10/15/09 12:47 PM
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quijote


Thought I'd jump into the fray with a few more restaurants....

For Milwaukee, Maders, Karl Ratzsch, and Weissgerber's have already been mentioned. However, Bavarian Inn in Glendale (a suburb) is quite good: http://www.bavarianinnmilw.com/ Unfortunately, their hours are very limited: Tuesday and Friday for lunch, Sunday for brunch, and Friday for dinner. The place makes more business as a banquet hall, thus limiting sit-down hours.

There are other restaurants in Milwaukee that are more "German style" or "German-American" than strictly German, such as Kegel's Inn: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/kegelsinn.html

Also in this group is Pandl's in Whitefish Bay, another suburb:
http://www.jackpandls.com/

Other places with some German items are Turner Hall and Old German Beer Hall, both downtown.

For Buffalo, NY, someone already mentioned Scharf's Schiller, but Ulrich's Tavern (north of downtown in the ECMC area) also has some good German items going. And the atmosphere is fun: http://www.ulrichstavern.net/index.php


Oh man where do I even start....I was born and raised in the Milwaukee area all of my life.  German traditions were huge for me.  All of my 4 grandparents were German immigrants.  I grew up with German traditions and ate every possible German meal one could imagine.  I worked for the Weissgerbers at the Golden Mast from 1981 till 1990 after I graduated from college.  I helped build and start their Gasthaus in Waukesha as well.  I had to wear Lederhosen at that stupid restaurant when they did their stupid German Fest in conjunction with the Germanfest at the Lake front.  Had to listen to a world champion yodeler who sounded like a sheep getting choked.  Do all of you want to know why German food is dead?
Look at how dorky the whole old world German tradition is!!  the food is loaded with Fat and tastes like s**t.  Dried out, overcooked, bland as hell.  Its that easy and this comes from a German.  Brats?  You bet I love them.  But how do you put sauerbraten or kassler Rippchen on a bun. Marketing is huge and the German tradition sucks at it.  And this is coming from a 100 percent German descendant. 

To make up for the poor German yodeler you may really enjoy this Swiss group:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1oDrPy-XrA
NC Cheesehead


Yeah NYPizzaNut, that was close to what it sounded like but just picture a ......hmmm how do i describe it..... ok I'll say it.... a "dork" looking short fat male dressed in Lederhosen with a feather in his hat .  They did serve a good fish fry though I must admit to those of you who are interested.  If you like the obviously OLD German culture, this may be your place.  So many of those old German Beer Halls have died as well along with this culture. 

Good place to eat for some things but just whatever you do....NEVER WORK THERE!  Unless you are German ( I was lucky I was supposedly blessed because all my ancestors were...)  otherwise you might be subjected to "Germans are great, Americans cant build cars or know nothing" sort of mentality.  They were very arrogant people and many customers along with people in local government positions knew this in the local Milwaukee area.  Just look up the owner under government court records.


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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 10/16/09 4:29 PM
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NC Cheesehead, thanks for the interesting post.
My dad was born in Milwaukee.They moved to Hot Springs Ark. in the 1920s and came back there in 30s. I recall my dad mentioning Mader's and eating there.Don't recall him mentioning KarlRatzsch.
The family didn't go out to eat german food.Why, because daddy's family was german on both sides like yours, and grandma made the stuff at home. Mader's the time he went was more for some special ocassion. Daddy prefered grandma's home cooking to restaurant stuff.I do recall him talking about Schwartz's Spanish Garden, run by a german with a hungarian wife.My dad I guess liked eating there as he talked about the place and the goulash Mrs. Schwartz used to make.
Yeah most Germans are obnoxious period.My dad could be brutally frank and blunt at times.But he also had a good heart in many ways. Course he was born here, like his parents, so maybe that makes a difference,don't know. When did the Weissgerbers get here? I guess after the war, as I've never heard the name mentioned in regards to Milwaukee,even by relatives still living there. Sound like they are a pain in the keister.
Say, who are you kin to? Any Hilperts,Koehlers, or Steldts in the bunch,or any Krebs?

Even here in Texas around San Antonio area where there  are a lot of germans, you don't find many of these places to eat.Heck the one hungarian and polish restaurants they had in town are I think gone.. I think most german americans just assimilated into society. Oh by the way, the Weissgerbers aren't unique in their attitude. Here in San Antonio  you hear that from some hispanics too. But most of the ones I know born and raised here for several generations  have a totally different attitude completely.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 10/30/09 5:33 PM
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sadly yet another wonderful german restaurant has met its demise...Jagermeister in Mountainhome, Pennsylvania closed its doors...i am not party to all the information, but it seems they were struggling in recent years, and just couldn't keep the place open any longer...i am told the last couple of weeks they had packed dining rooms...unfortunately i was not aware they were closing, and didn't get to have one last serving of their delicious jagerschnitzel, potato pancakes, spaztle and red cabbage...

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 10/30/09 8:40 PM
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We took a drive to Door County, Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago, and ended up having a lovely early dinner at the Neighborhood Pub in Sturgeon Bay.   I was very disappointed in their potato salad - - I think it was made with canned sliced potatoes and the 'gravy' was way too vinegary, but the other dishes that we had were great...  If you check out their menu, it is a conglomeration of just about every cuisine you can think of, and it looks like they celebrate all of the major holidays and a few that they must have made up...  Prices were decent, service was friendly and quick and even though there was usually a waiting line (never longer than a couple tables worth) they did not 'rush' anyone out the door...  Their beer menu was extensive and we were way too stuffed to try desserts, but they looked interesting....
And on top of all that, I actually found a TV within watching distance that was airing the Steelers game - - a mean feat in Packerland........ 

Edited to remove the link - - for some reason it isn't working - - but just Google The Neighborhood Pub and you should get there....  Sorry...

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/31/09 10:00 PM
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I recently ate at both Kegel's Inn and Karl Ratzch's in honor of Oktoberfest, and wrote both up them up for my gig as Ethnic Restaurants Examiner for Examiner.com.

Check them out.



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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 11/1/09 11:25 PM
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Weissberger's Gasthaus has gone wayyy down in quality over the years. It's not what it was 20 years ago. We used to love to go to Seven Seas for special occasions, 2 of my friends even had their wedding receptions there, but we haven't eaten there in years. Might have to try it again this winter.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 01/6/10 1:30 PM
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I heard that the only authentic German restaurant in the Pittsburgh area, Kleiner Deutschmann in Springdale recently closed.  This is a place is thought so highly of, I had considered writing a formal review for this site.  Very disappointing! 

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 01/7/10 8:34 AM
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We were down to just one German/German-American restaurant in Miami, but now there are at least three:
 
Fritz and Franz Bierhaus
 
Schnitzel Haus
 
Hoffbrau Beerhall
 
 
I think of all three as "new", in that they weren't around 20 years ago.  We used to go to Zum Alten Fritz near the Omni Hotel, and Heid's Gasthaus on Red Road south of Calle Ocho, but they are both closed now.
 

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 04/9/10 4:30 PM
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there are quite a few in texas....

In Houston, there is Rudy Lechner's.


In Dallas, I love Henk's Black Forest (dine there about twice a week).  Kuby's is also good.  Bavarian grill is a distant third IMO.

And tons in the New Braunsfels area.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Tue, 04/13/10 4:48 PM
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Well, you can always make a trip to Frankenmuth, Michigan.  They have alot of German style restaurants.  See here...

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Tue, 04/13/10 6:08 PM
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Here's one with an unlikely name, in an unlikely location...Cafe Coconut Cove in Melblourne Beach, FL

http://www.cafecoconutcove.com/ 

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 04/18/10 2:28 PM
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Sadly Syracuse Ny has lost a few authentic German places the last few years.  Webers Rest.
on Syracuses North side closed last year over financial issues.  It was family run and had been in operation since the 40s !  My grandma worked there for years!  Another one was Gruens on Butternut St. also on the Northside of town.  Its been closed close to 20 years now after the owner passed away.  The only "authentic" German place left is Danzers whos sauerbraten or rollmops can't hold a candle to the other now closed places!

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Tue, 05/25/10 8:28 AM
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I went to an outstanding German restaurant this past weekend, The Linderhof, in Knoxville.  it doesn't look like much from the outside, it's actually in a strip mall in west Knoxville/Farragut.  And, it's a rther smallish inside. 
But the chef and owners are from Germany and the food is truly outstanding.  Everything is made fresh and a wonderful experience.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 05/26/10 8:41 AM
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Bhops


there are quite a few in texas....

In Houston, there is Rudy Lechner's.


In Dallas, I love Henk's Black Forest (dine there about twice a week).  Kuby's is also good.  Bavarian grill is a distant third IMO.

And tons in the New Braunsfels area.


I wish there were tons in the New Braunfels area, but there is not. New Braunfels is only 12 miles from Schertz and the only one's I know of are Oma's Haus,and Freilander? The people who own this one are from Germany,and it's located in the old Krause's Cafe off Main Street,right behind the Antique Mall. I know the name starts with an "F', but that's all i recall.They do have a website.
In the San Antonio area, there's one in Kirby, or used to be, and maybe a couple more, but that's it, considering all the germans in the area. Fredricksburg may have a couple. And with all the Poles,Czechs and Hungarians around, the one polish and hungarian restaurants in San Antonio didn't make it. NOW mexican  is all over the place,and a lot of oriental places too.There are some upscale places in town that vere towards french,but nothing say like New York.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 05/26/10 10:50 AM
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I second the Black Forest Inn!! IN Hope N.J. just off rte 80 getting out near the delaware gap!! but not that far... Amazing food They used to have a buffet on friday nights that was out of sight!! 29 p/p but totally worth every penny!!

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 05/26/10 5:59 PM
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Today's NYTimes food section has a feature article about "Prime Meats" in Brooklyn, a German style restaurant that happens to be run by Italians. The reviewer thinks the place is great, except it has no reservations and no credit cards...

Cheers, John  

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 05/28/10 9:27 AM
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I think it would be an interesting study in immigration demographics...to see the corelation between a timeline/bar chart (no pun) showing the rise and maybe the fall of the flow of immigrants from a country, compared to the rise and demise of food establishments owned and operated, or even just serving the food of a given ethnic origin.

My thought is that with an increase of immigrants from somewhere, the demand for food from that area increases.  Then as the inflow slows and the imigrating generation is assimulated or dies off, the demand seems to fade.  Example the groups who came in the early 1900's Eastern Europeans, Italians, Chinese, while still large in number , are seeing their individual food businesses consolidated, or homogonized into a much broaden spectrum.

Newer groups, Latino and Middle Eastern, who are arriving in increasing numbers are seeing an increase in the number of small food-oriented businesss (for now).

Just a bit of a ramble, but I would really like to see the relationship explored.  A final note. The number of people immigrating from Germany these days would certainly support a demise in the demand for food from that area.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 06/4/10 5:20 AM
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If you fly out west...way west to Hawaii, there's a German restaurant on Maui, Brigit and Bernard's Garden Cafe who are German.  I don't think they have German potato salad on their menu either.  

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 06/13/10 11:22 AM
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It looks as though Ridgewood/Glendale NY is losing another.  Von Westernhagens on Cooper Ave is about to close.

http://lostnewyorkcity.bl...restaurant-german.html

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Tue, 06/15/10 2:47 PM
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The Bavarian Inn in Madison, VA was such a disappointment at Easter. I was trying to impress someone with it and failed miserably. The waitstaff kept disappearing, the food arrived cold and looked more like a Polynesian/German fusion. Was also sad to see they offered no local wines. For the price, I was really upset. A once great institution circling the drain.


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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 06/17/10 6:04 PM
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kozel


It looks as though Ridgewood/Glendale NY is losing another.  Von Westernhagens on Cooper Ave is about to close.

I am told that Von Westernhagens' last day will be on Friday, June 18th, 2010.
The restaurant opened in 1964 and I remember being taken there as a teenager. The place was very busy back then. On recent visits, it was rather quiet. Elderly folks were always seen there in recent years. Like the late Niederstein's, they served mourners visiting nearby funeral homes and cemeteries. They always served basic German food; not quite as adventurous as at Zum Stammtisch still operating about two blocks away.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 06/18/10 10:14 PM
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Here's an interesting recent post about Von Westernagen from the NY City "Who Goes There" blog. It turns out to be a good snapshot of the restaurant's last days, before the closing was announced:
http://lostnewyorkcity.blogspot.com/2010/04/lost-city-asks-who-goes-to-von.html



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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 09/16/10 1:31 PM
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It is sad what has happened to German Reaurants.  I recently was on Long Island visiting.  I remember when I lived there 12 years ago there were   quite a few German places now not so many.  Favorites like the Smithtownhaus, Freds and the Bavarian Inn are either gone or Italian places now.  I guess it is the changing times. Too bad, like Long Island needs another Italian restaurant.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 09/16/10 6:19 PM
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Just for the record, The Bavarian Inn at Lake Ronkonkoma was not lost to 'changing times'.  It succumbed to the rising water table around the lake.  Fred's is now an Italian place but it wasn't all that good when it was Fred's.  Smithtownhaus was Ruhoff's before and is now Butera's. The best German place on LI is Oak Chalet in Bellmore.  I live near Pumpernickles but would rather drive to Oak Chalet.
 
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 10/15/10 3:29 PM
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We have a new German restaurant not far from New Paltz. The "Gunks Haus" sits high on a hill in the middle of nowhere  - at the intersection of Brookside Rd and South St just outside of the tiny hamlet of Clintondale. We just now came home from lunch there...
 
I had a very nice very large all beef wurst ( sort of like a large brat)with a curry/katsup sauce served on a large bunlike soft pretzel, and Gail had a delicious roast pork sandwich in a pretzel with sauteed leeks and a soft white cheese. They have an extensive beer list - I had a black german lager - very tasty, and Gail had a pilisener that was also good. For dessert we had pretzels stuffed with hot chocolate - little round pretzels filled with an excellent chocolate.
 
The nicest thing is they offer a half dozen local wines - not the greatest but certainly drinkable and enjoyable  and its great to see alcal place encouraging the loca wineries.
 
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 10/15/10 3:38 PM
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Here's something REALLY strange.  We have a $1B VW plant about to open, and still no German restaurant in the area.  That's beats all.  For the life of me, I can't understand it.  Talk about the Twilight Zone!

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Fri, 10/15/10 6:00 PM
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A new one in KC-
Grunauer ~ Austrian and German Cuisine in Kansas City's Freight House District
and another new one here in the Rogue Valley:
 Home

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/16/10 5:27 PM
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I am surprised any German restaurant can survive in todays world. The new kids coming up now a days aren't looking for old world food from Europe. I don't think you will see a lot of these restaurants opening in the future...............................BillyB

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/16/10 5:40 PM
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William:
 Spints Alehouse

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/16/10 6:02 PM
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bill voss


William:
Spints Alehouse


Hey Bill, that looks good, your looking at a guy that grew up in a Slovak family in a Polish/Italian with all of Eastern Europe foods and cooking. I can't think of the last time I went out for German food, I'm not even sure we have a German restaurant in my area. I am saying all this just after I put the German style pork chops & Sauerkraut in the oven.....................


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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/16/10 9:02 PM
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Hi Bill, these are German style pork steak cuts from our pig I processed a few months ago, with baked Butternut squash from my garden with hot horshradish mustard.................... The pork steaks are browned and then topped with Sauerkraut, brown sugar,Soy sauce and mustard.......bake at 350 depending on how tender and thick the pork is....................The best....................BillyB
 
 

 


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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Mon, 10/25/10 11:52 AM
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seafarer john
We have a new German restaurant not far from New Paltz. The "Gunks Haus" sits high on a hill in the middle of nowhere  - at the intersection of Brookside Rd and South St just outside of the tiny hamlet of Clintondale. We just now came home from lunch there...

I'm going to check them out. My two big questions:
 
1) How's their sauerbraten?
2) Do they serve roast goose?
 
Bart
 

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Mon, 10/25/10 6:52 PM
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Haven't tried it yet (it's on the dinner menu and all we've had was lunch).
No goose, but. I'll ask about it when we return this week...
 
I think this place has potential... I'll know when they put potato pancakes on the menu, and maybe some homemade spaetzel (sp?).
 
Cheers, John  

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/30/10 10:41 AM
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We returned to the Gunks Haus (Gunks is what non-natives call the Shawangum Mts.) last evening and I ordered the 
sauerbraten and Gail had a pork schnitzel - both were excellent. The sauerbraten was an enormous serving of tender juicy pot roast, redolent of ginger and juniper, smothered in a delicious dark brown sauce that may have been thickened with ginger snaps ( I forgot to ask). Unfortunately, the accompanying sweet red cabbage and tender little spaetzels  were buried under the meat and lost in the sauce. I prefer my sides served on the side.
 
Gail's pork was tender and juicy and nicely seasoned - also a generous serving.
 
The place was busy, noisy ( the dining room is unadorned and there's nothing to buffer the noises of happy diners), and the bar had a lively young crowd enjoying themselves. Elizabeth, the cook, and Dirk, her husband and the front of the house person, are nice and welcoming.
 
Cheers, John  

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/30/10 10:50 AM
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BillyB


Hi Bill, these are German style pork steak cuts from our pig I processed a few months ago, with baked Butternut squash from my garden with hot horshradish mustard.................... The pork steaks are browned and then topped with Sauerkraut, brown sugar,Soy sauce and mustard.......bake at 350 depending on how tender and thick the pork is....................The best....................BillyB






wow billy, those look scrumptious

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 10/30/10 11:16 AM
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We have one German restaurant here. I would love try some different things on the menu but at $18-22 per entree I would hate to make a mistake and get something I didn't like. I have very limited experience with German food.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 10/31/10 2:06 PM
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What's not to like in german food? Sausages, veal and pork cutlets, beef pot roast, potato pancakes, spaetzle, red cabbage, saurkraut, brown breads,  cakes and tortes, and beer and great white wines.
 
Cheers, John 

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 10/31/10 3:14 PM
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Billy I sure would like to try these at home. We do have pork steaks available at the supermarket which are probably 3/4 inch thick so would you have any idea how long in the oven these would take? Also what kind of mustard did you use and did you mix the mustard, brown sugar and soy together and pour it over the kraut topped steaks? It certainly looks delicious!
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Hi Bill, these are German style pork steak cuts from our pig I processed a few months ago, with baked Butternut squash from my garden with hot horshradish mustard.................... The pork steaks are browned and then topped with Sauerkraut, brown sugar,Soy sauce and mustard.......bake at 350 depending on how tender and thick the pork is....................The best....................BillyB








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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 10/31/10 4:04 PM
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You're probably right about it all being good. Too bad there isn't a German buffet where you could try a little of this and that.
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What's not to like in german food? Sausages, veal and pork cutlets, beef pot roast, potato pancakes, spaetzle, red cabbage, saurkraut, brown breads,  cakes and tortes, and beer and great white wines.

Cheers, John 



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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 10/31/10 5:24 PM
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ces1948


Billy I sure would like to try these at home. We do have pork steaks available at the supermarket which are probably 3/4 inch thick so would you have any idea how long in the oven these would take? Also what kind of mustard did you use and did you mix the mustard, brown sugar and soy together and pour it over the kraut topped steaks? It certainly looks delicious!
BillyB


Hi Bill, these are German style pork steak cuts from our pig I processed a few months ago, with baked Butternut squash from my garden with hot horshradish mustard.................... The pork steaks are browned and then topped with Sauerkraut, brown sugar,Soy sauce and mustard.......bake at 350 depending on how tender and thick the pork is....................The best....................BillyB
 
  Hi CES
Yes on how its done,  we use a brown mustard, in some cases whatever we have on hand. We use Pork chops or pork steaks use what you can find. The amount of cooking time depends on the quality of the pork, if I'm using a good tender pork chop then I will cook them just untill done. If the pork isn't that tender then I'll cook it longer so it comes out more tender. The soy sauce gives the kraut a nice deep brown look as shown in the picture. The sauce mix has the salt from the soy, sour from the kraut, spicy from the mustard and sweet from the brown sugar. .......The best...............Bill
 






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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 10/31/10 9:34 PM
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seafarer john
The place was busy, noisy ( the dining room is unadorned and there's nothing to buffer the noises of happy diners), and the bar had a lively young crowd enjoying themselves. Elizabeth, the cook, and Dirk, her husband and the front of the house person, are nice and welcoming.

Well, you've never steered me wrong before. Thanks!
 
Bart

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 11/20/10 8:09 PM
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Has anyone tried The Cabbage Roll in St Joe Missouri ?

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sun, 11/21/10 10:23 PM
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If anyone is visiting Wash DC area (especially flying into Dulles Airport),   consider trying the  underestimated
 
Euro Bistro
314 Elden St
Herndon, VA 20170
(703) 481-8158
 

An unusual location for a German restaurant... Austrian owned.   Good value for money, especially at lunch (when the place occasionally fills to capacity).   Owner holds Oktoberfests each year in the parking lot - well visited.

 

Heidelberg Pastry Shop
2150 N Culpeper St
Arlington, VA 22207
(703) 527-8394

The shop brings in grains from Germany for its breads.  Pastries are excellent.
10 mins outside of Washington DC.

MfG
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Tue, 11/23/10 1:33 PM
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I tried a new one (to me) in San Francisco, recently:  Walzwerk.  Bills itself as "East German" which is, I guess, German food with proletarian ambience.  Seems to be the creation of a woman who grew up in the East and misses the blue collar food of her youth.  Anyway, she serves up what those who've experienced it claim is a pretty good replica of the food of that half of Germany before the wall came down.  I had her pork schnitzel, mashed potatoes and Brussels sprouts (only time I can recall having Brussels sprouts, which I actually like, in a restaurant), with apfelstrudel for dessert.  Very good, all of it.
 
Restaurant web site:  http://www.walzwerk.com/
 
Photos of the place and its food:  http://www.yelp.com/biz_p...n8aoAhAD-WsP23gAblUVcQ
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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Sat, 12/11/10 10:16 AM
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The Karl Ehmer plant and retail store in Ridgewood, Quuens, NYC have closed down. Rights were sold to another company, who will manufacture the meat products at another location.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2010/10/06/2010-10-06_the_wurst_of_times_for_ridgewood_german_butcher_shop.html

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 01/26/11 10:04 AM
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Nice review in the NY Times for Gottscheer Hall in Ridgewood.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/20...ng/reviews/26unde.html

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Wed, 01/26/11 10:08 PM
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<<Nice review in the NY Times for Gottscheer Hall in Ridgewood. >>
 
I saw that too. I was fairly amazed that it was still open (and apparently still open thru all these years). I was an occasional patron there in about 1979/80, and figured it was long gone, like so many other places in that neighborhood.

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RE: Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 01/27/11 8:07 AM
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Ken, I knew it as a caterer and never knew they had a walk in business.  Back in the 70's I worked as a wedding photographer for a place in Ridgewood.  Worked a lot of places but never here.

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Re:Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 01/27/11 1:34 PM
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Get your schnitzel-fix in Ann Arbor, MI at Metzger's German Restaurant, right off I-94 at Zeeb Road.

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Re:Where Have All the German Restaurants Gone? - Thu, 01/27/11 6:04 PM
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Recently tried an AUSTRIAN (not strictly German) wine bar with excellent food (schnitzel et al) at 7th St and Ave. C in Manhattan.  Name:  Edi and the Wolf (owners are Edi and Wolfgang).

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