You Chicago/New York/Cincinatti Guys Chime In

I'm gonna sell hot dogs off a Top Dog Trailer here in Houston, Texas.  I'm gonna do Chicao/NY/Cinn style dogs.  I was under the impresion that in Chicago the use of S. Rosen Poppyseed 'par-baked' rolls were the standard.  Just leave them in the bag/box and steam them.  I just talked to an Alpha Bakery rep and she said they are not 'par-baked', but fully baked.  I want to use the BEST buns.  Somebody set me straight....please.
 
Thanks,
 
curtis

What do you consider a Cinn dog?

I'd bet he means a Coney.

Foodosaurus aka braunsteinm


I'd bet he means a Coney.

..ah so.. such as this:



http://www.answers.com/topic/cheese-coney

..the coneys in Cinci generally use a smaller hotdog and bun than a regular dog..of course there is no reason you cannot make them with normal size dogs/buns..

What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

NYPIzzaNut


What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

My guess is A-Rod.

NYPIzzaNut


What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

 
Hebrew National or Sabretts or Nathan's Hot Dog served on a regular generic hot dog bun with Sauerkraut or Red Onion Sauce (or both) and brown mustard?

exsquidao

NYPIzzaNut


What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

My guess is A-Rod.

Ha!
The original NY Wiener.

Signed,
A disgruntled Ranger Fan 

wanderingjew

NYPIzzaNut


What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

 
Hebrew National or Sabretts or Nathan's Hot Dog served on a regular generic hot dog bun with Sauerkraut or Red Onion Sauce (or both) and brown mustard?

..that is not exactly unique to New York, is it? What is red onion sauce?

Why aren't you guys out sellin'....???

My New York Dog:  Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Red Onion Sauce/Kruat-Onions upon request.

Chicago Dog: Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Dill Pickle Spear/2 Tomato Wedges/2 Sport Peppers/anything else upon request.

Cinci Dog: Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow mustard/Chili Sauce/Cheddar Cheese/anything else upon request.


Now I may be screwed up, but that's my aim.  Here in Houston, thise literally doesn't exist.  A city of over 4 million.  Festivals/events every weekend.......Man, a guy has to be stupid not to do this.

I AM going to do this.  I hope to have my Top Dog within 4 weeks.  I can hold out till then.

We gottta hang together or we shall all hang separately.

curtis

wanderingjew

NYPIzzaNut


What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

 
Hebrew National or Sabretts or Nathan's Hot Dog served on a regular generic hot dog bun with Sauerkraut or Red Onion Sauce (or both) and brown mustard?

Perfect

Red onion sauce is simmered onions in water corn syrup paprika. salt pepper etc.

oh yeah and a splash of vinegar

Is this available commercially or do vendors make this up themselves?

You are in texas do a national dog and do local sausages,BBQ take a look at this websites menu.
http://www.texgrill.com/

He use to post here.

cwood3


Why aren't you guys out sellin'....???

My New York Dog:  Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Red Onion Sauce/Kruat-Onions upon request.

Chicago Dog: Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Dill Pickle Spear/2 Tomato Wedges/2 Sport Peppers/anything else upon request.

Cinci Dog: Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow mustard/Chili Sauce/Cheddar Cheese/anything else upon request.


Now I may be screwed up, but that's my aim.  Here in Houston, thise literally doesn't exist.  A city of over 4 million.  Festivals/events every weekend.......Man, a guy has to be stupid not to do this.

I AM going to do this.  I hope to have my Top Dog within 4 weeks.  I can hold out till then.

We gottta hang together or we shall all hang separately.

curtis

What kind of hotdogs do they generally sell there now?

cwood3

My New York Dog:  Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Red Onion Sauce/Kruat-Onions upon request.

S. Rosen makes both a PLAIN and POPPY SEED bun. In New York, PLAIN individual buns are used, not like the clustered buns you get from Wonder Bread in the supermarket (though Wonder Bread Foodservice also delivers individual buns to restaurants only.) We have enough regional producers so you don't see any S. Rosen buns, except maybe at places that serve Vienna Beef products and Chicago-style hot dogs.
 


 

In my area, there are NO outdoor vendors, period.  In the Metro-Houston area, it boils down to 2 options.  Sonic chili/cheese coneys, or James Coney Island.  Now James coney Island is a Houston institution, dating back to the40's or 50's.  They are wiener/bun/chili/onions/cheese dogs.  Not bad, but not a big dog like the above mentioned places.  I think the Cincinatti Dog will satify the the people that expect a James Coney Island, however, Houston has become a melting pot of newbies that don't have any affiliation whatsoever.  They come from all over.  That's the gist of it.

Red onion sauce is available commercially.  I made some myself and love it, but to supply my cart, I'd rather buy it.  Minimize my labor (hours), maximizes my profit...AS LONG AS IT IS A QUALITY PRODUCT.  Maybe some featured items now and then to get a reality check.

Just got my quote...approx $8K with options....I'm doin' it...!!!

Let's all stay tuned.  Iron sharpens iron. 

curtis

exsquidao

NYPIzzaNut


What the heck is a NY style hotdog?

My guess is A-Rod.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Rodriguez

Rodriguez was born in the Washington Heights section of New York City to a Dominican family. When he was four, Rodriguez and his parents moved to their native Dominican Republic, then to Miami, Florida. Rodriguez's favorite baseball players when he was growing up were Keith Hernandez, Dale Murphy, and Cal Ripken. His favorite team growing up was the New York Mets.[7]

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I guess given his background he can be considered a NY style hotdog!

cwood3

My New York Dog:  Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Red Onion Sauce/Kruat-Onions upon request.

Chicago Dog: Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow Mustard/Relish/Dill Pickle Spear/2 Tomato Wedges/2 Sport Peppers/anything else upon request.
You may want to contact Al Gross in Houston. He reps Vienna Beef and a true Chicago dog is a Vienna Beef dog. He has been very helpful getting my cart business up and running. Shouldn't run any more than a Sabretts. I'll PM you his contact info if you're interested.
Cinci Dog: Sabrett/S. Rosen Bun/Yellow mustard/Chili Sauce/Cheddar Cheese/anything else upon request.

Now I may be screwed up, but that's my aim.  Here in Houston, thise literally doesn't exist.  A city of over 4 million.  Festivals/events every weekend.......Man, a guy has to be stupid not to do this.
You're good to go. Dallas is much the same way and the melting pot of NYers and Midwesterners is my target customer. Cost is not as big an issue as my intention is NOT to compete with the Home Depot vendors who sport two .13 Oscar Meyer dogs, a 1oz bag of chips and a canned soda for 3.50 - not that there's anything wrong with that model. It's just not my playing field.
I AM going to do this.  I hope to have my Top Dog within 4 weeks.  I can hold out till then.

We gottta hang together or we shall all hang separately.

curtis

 

weydeg,

Man, Ilove you.  When in Houston, the beer is always on me.  I'm learning, and I'll use 2 ears and 1 mouth in that proportion.

Thanks,

curtis

Hot_dog


Red onion sauce is simmered onions in water corn syrup paprika. salt pepper etc.

You can buy it or you can make it for about a 1/4 of the cost

What is its shelf life if you make it?

If your in Houston you better call it a Texas chili dog or they just may send your butt to Cincinnati.......When in Texas do as the Texans

Whoever said the NY dog is a Sabretts or a Hebrew (maybe a Nathans) on a plain wheat bun with kraut, the cooked onion sauce and the brown mustard got it right.

The Sabretts are the "dirty water dog" not because of NYC water, which is actually pretty good, but because the vendors keep them over night in hot water baths. Or used to anyways. The Sabrett has a thicker skin that only gets boiled, never steamed or anything else.

cwood3

Red onion sauce is available commercially.  I made some myself and love it, but to supply my cart, I'd rather buy it.  Minimize my labor (hours), maximizes my profit...AS LONG AS IT IS A QUALITY PRODUCT.  Maybe some featured items now and then to get a reality check.
curtis

Marathon's Sabrett and Tremont brands of Onions-in-Sauce in #10 cans seem to show up in pockets all around the country, and is a top notch sauce. Two recent articles about the sauce after the developer of the recipe passed away in January, 2009:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/a-legacy-of-hot-dog-onion-sauce/
 
http://www.northjersey.com/obituaries/Man_responsible_for_tangy_hotdog_topping_dies_at_78.html