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spud

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authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 6:38 PM (permalink)
In planning stages of a small restaurant featuring cheese steaks, want to know what sides, dessert and beverages would complete the experience. any help would be appreciated
 
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    Sundancer7

    RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 6:41 PM (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by spud

    In planning stages of a small restaurant featuring cheese steaks, want to know what sides, dessert and beverages would complete the experience. any help would be appreciated


    I would suggest consulting with Cheesewit. He is the local expert by far.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN
     
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      lleechef

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      RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 7:00 PM (permalink)
      Unless someone is holding a gun to your head, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT open a restaurant! You will be eternally sorry, will work 90-100 hours a week and become very cranky.
       
      #3
        Sundancer7

        RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 7:16 PM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by lleechef

        Unless someone is holding a gun to your head, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT open a restaurant! You will be eternally sorry, will work 90-100 hours a week and become very cranky.


        An in addition becoming very poor.

        In my opinion the restarurant business sounds very romatic and very good but the odds are terrible.

        As lleechef said you will be sorry. Let other folks do that and you enjoy their stuff.

        Long hours and poor returns.

        Do something else.

        Paul E. Smith
        knoxville, TN
         
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          CheeseWit

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          RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 7:34 PM (permalink)
          Spud: Where are you planning to open this restaurant? If you want an authentic cheesesteak, you're going to need a good source of Italian rolls. These rolls have a bit of a crunch on the outer layer followed by a nice chewy texture. That's the key to great cheesesteaks. As far as sides go, I'd go with french fries, potato chips, and maybe onion rings.
          Beverages should be sodas: Coke and or Pepsi, Root Beer, Orange, and Grape too.
          Desserts should include Tastykakes and/or home style cakes, pies, puddings, cookies.
           
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            Hiram Callahan

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            RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 8:01 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by CheeseWit


            Beverages should be sodas: Coke and or Pepsi, Root Beer, Orange, and Grape too.


            What, no Frank's Black Cherry Wishniak?

            One thing I remember from many suburban steakeries, and please tell me whether this is hopelessly inauthentic, is waffle fries. I really associate those with Philadelphia.

            I would also recommend trying to work the word "hoagie" in there somewhere. It lends authencity to the whole affair.

            And don't be too polite!
             
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              spud

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              RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 8:24 PM (permalink)
              too late for me lleechef, been in food business my whole life, just trying a different version. (guess I just never learn). I thought there was some special beverage that was popular with these "hoagies". going to be opened in central florida actually, no not orlando
               
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                CheeseWit

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                RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 8:28 PM (permalink)
                If you can get Frank's sodas, I would definitely have the Black Cherry Wishniak.
                I've seen waffle fries in Philly, but most places use shoestrings with melted cheese whiz as an optional topping.
                 
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                  spud

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                  RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 8:39 PM (permalink)
                  got the rolls lined up, got the tastykakes lined up, do you think another more available black cherry soda would work? does anyone else think waffle fries might seem more authentic?
                   
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                    spud

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                    RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 9:17 PM (permalink)
                    HEY! found hanks authentic philadelphia soda co. can get many flavors from them and they will wholesale (bless the internet) to me. anyone heard of hanks?
                     
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                      lleechef

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                      RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 9:44 PM (permalink)
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by spud

                      too late for me lleechef, been in food business my whole life, just trying a different version. (guess I just never learn). I thought there was some special beverage that was popular with these "hoagies". going to be opened in central florida actually, no not orlando

                      tsk, tsk, tsk, (shaking her head is disapprovement) some people never learn. It's NEVER too late to get outta this painfull business.

                      However, if you insist on plowing ahead, good luck and bon appetit. Let us know how your venture turns out. I'm from Pgh, not Philly so I can't recommend what would perfectly go with a cheese steak or your hoagies except maybe a good lawyer?
                       
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                        CheeseWit

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                        RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 9:44 PM (permalink)
                        Yeah, Hank's is pretty good. Go with a variety of flavors. I agree w/clothier: no cutesy names. Good luck. Let me know when you open. I have family in Orlando-they'll travel to your place if I tell them to.
                         
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                          spud

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                          RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 9:49 PM (permalink)
                          so the cheesey wheezy is not a good idea?
                           
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                            Ort. Carlton.

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                            RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 10:05 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by spud

                            so the cheesey wheezy is not a good idea?


                            Spud,
                            Cheesey wheezy?!? - Makes me think of an emphysema clinic.
                            Nonsmokingly, Ort. Carlton in Sadly-Barbecue-Free Downtown Athens, Georgia.
                             
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                              acer2x

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                              RE: authentic philadelphia foods Tue, 02/10/04 11:09 PM (permalink)
                              The key to the cheesesteak is the roll. I prefer the Atlantic City rolls found at White House in AC and Dino's in Margate. I can't remember the name of the bakery. For sides, I would suggest just fries.Since you're in FL, why not key lime pie plus Tastykakes? Make sure you have hot cherry peppers, sliced sweet peppers and hot sauce available a la Pat's. Make mine a "cheesesteak with"
                              Steve
                               
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                                spud

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                                RE: authentic philadelphia foods Wed, 02/11/04 12:30 AM (permalink)
                                actually acer its pronounced "wit"
                                 
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                                  signman

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                                  RE: authentic philadelphia foods Wed, 02/11/04 1:25 AM (permalink)
                                  Please do not chop the steak into tiny little pieces. That's what every sub shop here in Maryland does and I hate it. I'll never understand why. The slices of rib eye are so thin to begin with, they quickly cook through.
                                   
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                                    UncleVic

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                                    RE: authentic philadelphia foods Wed, 02/11/04 6:47 AM (permalink)
                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by lleechef

                                    Unless someone is holding a gun to your head, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT open a restaurant! You will be eternally sorry, will work 90-100 hours a week and become very cranky.


                                    Wow... I'm glad some of our local restaurant owners didnt hear your advice! I'd be depraved of some decent hometown cooking! I agree some suffer and quietly pass, yet many flourish thus keeping my tummy and taste buds happy! I also agree that it's a tough industry, but if you have your little niche, you'll never know unless you try! Worse comes to worse you go out of business and work for someone else that had the same idea years earlier.
                                     
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