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salindgren

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chile vs chili Wed, 11/21/07 10:24 PM (permalink)
This has no doubt been addressed already, but it always bugs me. A "chile" is a single species of pepper. "Chili" is a Texas-based dish, also now popular in other states. The spelling is kind of important when you want to make yourself understood. I like roasting CHILES. I also like consuming CHILI. Of course, chili has chiles in there, but it seems like the folks reading RoadFood items should not have to be told the difference between the two terms.
-Scott Lindgren
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    prius

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    RE: chile vs chili Wed, 11/21/07 10:41 PM (permalink)
    HUH?
     
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      salindgren

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      RE: chile vs chili Wed, 11/21/07 10:59 PM (permalink)
      Well, to Prius, what does HUH? mean? I just see an awful lot of poor usage of the terms here. Are you saying HUH? because you have not seen what I'm talking about, or what?
      This is just a guess on my part, but I think the proper plural form of "chile relleno" would be "CHILES relleno", not "chile rellenos". But I don't know espanol, just what I see on the street here in this dirty town. Los Angeles.
      -Scott Lindgren, scottlindgren@netzero.com
       
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        1bbqboy

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        RE: chile vs chili Wed, 11/21/07 11:59 PM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by salindgren

        Well, to Prius, what does HUH? mean? I just see an awful lot of poor usage of the terms here. Are you saying HUH? because you have not seen what I'm talking about, or what?
        This is just a guess on my part, but I think the proper plural form of "chile relleno" would be "CHILES relleno", not "chile rellenos". But I don't know espanol, just what I see on the street here in this dirty town. Los Angeles.
        -Scott Lindgren, scottlindgren@netzero.com

        I like that. CHILES relleno, nor Chili Rellenos.
        John Ashroft our Chiles General emeritus
        But I thought Tamals were more popular in L.A.
         
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          cornfed

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          RE: chile vs chili Thu, 11/22/07 12:02 AM (permalink)
          Chillyz
           
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            Texianjoe

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            RE: chile vs chili Thu, 11/22/07 10:16 AM (permalink)
            Correct would be Chiles Rellenos.
             
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              Big Ugly Mich

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              RE: chile vs chili Thu, 11/22/07 10:33 AM (permalink)
              Besides, chili was originally Wyoming based. They used it to keep livestock's hooves from getting cold. Some Texan ate it by mistake.

              We know this to be true, because Texans do that to this very day.
               
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                salindgren

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                RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 2:44 AM (permalink)
                Oh, quit now, Big Ugly Mich. Them's fightin' words. I'm from Dallas. I think it's the folks traveling north from Texas who screwed up the recipes. What I read about Kansas City and Chicago chili sounds pretty odd to me. I don't really know about the rest of the southwest, like AZ and NM, but in LA we have one HUGE chain, Tommy's, that has exploded over the last ten years, just like In 'N Out Burger. They built the empire on chili, funky as it is. I know this is sort of off topic in a way, and arguably not "Mexican". But 90+% of the clients at Tommy's are 100% Latino, OK? I like the chili cheese fries, or, for "lighter" fare, the chili cheese tamale. The dogs suck, and the burgers are just, well, not a patty I want. What I also like about Tommy's is that it's dirt cheap, and they don't gouge for a can of soda, and they'll dump lots of chopped onion on my order, and they have the best brand of those hot little yellow peppers. And always tons of napkins, self service. These guys have been around for decades. Limos pull up sometimes, people in tuxes wait in line. I like it a lot more than Pink's.
                But more serious in the chili dept is Chili John's in Burbank. Best I've ever had, and I'm from TX! Really finely chopped beef, not ground. Really hot (or mild if you can't take the hot). Been around since 1919 or so. They bring a bag of a secret recipe of spices every week to the people who make the excellent dogs they serve up. They also feature a nice tamale. And real cheddar. Free refills of soda, in a real glass. I just personally like this finely chopped approach, rather than ground beef, or big old chunks. I don't like anything chunky. Except PB.
                -Scott Lindgren scottlindgren@netzero.net
                 
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                  salindgren

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                  RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 3:05 AM (permalink)
                  Ah, Texanjoe is most likely correct. Chiles Rellenos. My espanol is limited to stuff I figure out from signage, often scrawled by half literate peasants. Things like "jantas usadas"(sp?) (used tires), "ropas para ninos" (kids clothes), "elote blanca" (white corn), all kinds of stuff like that.
                  To Bill Voss, I guess I have seen the spelling "tamal" instead of "tamale". I don't know what's more "correct". But it usually seems to be tamale, on menus. Of course we gringos say tah-mah-ly. I like it when I hear a gringo say tor-till-uh.
                  -Scott Lindgren scottlindgren@netzero.net
                   
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                    mayor al

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                    RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 9:35 AM (permalink)
                    Here in the Louisville area it can be fun listening to the rurals asking for a "TAY-KO" (Think PAY-KO)!
                    But even in SoCal Spanish gets corrupted frequently. Often when teaching in the High Schools there I would announce an examination to my bi-lingual class in both English and Spanish.... the Spanish being, "Today we will Take-o un Testicle" The students seemed to get the message immediately, and with a smile.
                     
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                      RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 10:36 AM (permalink)
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by salindgren

                      My espanol is limited to stuff I figure out from signage, often scrawled by half literate peasants.


                      Yep, you're about the type of mindless person I expect to get a bug up his a$$ about a typo. I seriously doubt anyone here is writing chile but meaning a big bowl of goodness as I am sure you didn't mean to imply there are only "half literate peasants" by you who write signs in Spanish. And since the thread has no context, I can't tell. If you are that sure that the misspelling is due to a person not knowing what a chile is, why not address it in the thread where you see the mistake.
                       
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                        Michael Hoffman

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                        RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 1:14 PM (permalink)
                        And people jump on me?
                         
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                          mayor al

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                          RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 1:27 PM (permalink)
                          If you feel left out Michael, say something stupid in Spanish and I will flame you and then lock the thread before a war can break out.
                           
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                            divefl

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                            RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 1:57 PM (permalink)
                            Admittedly, I jumped on him for being oblivious to how offensive he was after acting like chile/chili was the end of the culinary world.

                            I feel my interactions with you, Hoffman, are pure entertainment. And although I may disagree with your definitions sometimes, you usually don't throw in some bs about all german butchers you deal with being nazis or something to that effect. But, it's nice Scott is taking the time to pick up the lanuage of the local peasants. Half literate though they may be and half brained that he may be.
                             
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                              Michael Hoffman

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                              RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 3:22 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

                              If you feel left out Michael, say something stupid in Spanish and I will flame you and then lock the thread before a war can break out.

                              My Spanish is sadly lacking -- after sopapilla I'm finished. How about if I say something stupid in English? I'm good at that.
                               
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                                Michael Hoffman

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                                RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 3:24 PM (permalink)
                                Ah, divefl, I wasn't being critical of your post. I was, in my curmudgeonly manner, applauding it. But I don't deal with German butchers. The only butchers I deal with are Italian fascists.
                                 
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                                  salindgren

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                                  RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 8:55 PM (permalink)
                                  Woof! Good lord, divefl is really upset with me. I guess it's the word peasant that set him off. Excuse the hell out of me. But you should see the crazy signage that I see in south central LA. And I THOUGHT I was poking fun at myself for not knowing much spanish. Jeez. Bite off my cabeza. I guess you'll only find a half brain in there.
                                  -Scott Lindgren scottlindgren@netzero.net
                                   
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                                    divefl

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                                    RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 9:27 PM (permalink)
                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

                                    Ah, divefl, I wasn't being critical of your post. I was, in my curmudgeonly manner, applauding it. But I don't deal with German butchers. The only butchers I deal with are Italian fascists.


                                    Never took it as such. I don't understand you all the time, but I think I've gotten a hang of you. Just wanted you to know I wasn't coming back at you but really did have and issue with the poster.

                                    Nice try at the 'who me', Scott. It was not the word it was your categorization of a certain sign writers as half literate peasants (hey, wonder if they happen to be hispanic). If you meant no harm, you really should pay attention to what you are saying as it can come across as thoughtless and bigoted. You wouldn't want that.
                                     
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                                      1bbqboy

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                                      RE: chile vs chili Thu, 12/6/07 10:34 PM (permalink)
                                      quote:
                                      Originally posted by salindgren

                                      Oh, quit now, Big Ugly Mich. Them's fightin' words. I'm from Dallas. I think it's the folks traveling north from Texas who screwed up the recipes. What I read about Kansas City and Chicago chili sounds pretty odd to me. I don't really know about the rest of the southwest, like AZ and NM, but in LA we have one HUGE chain, Tommy's, that has exploded over the last ten years, just like In 'N Out Burger. They built the empire on chili, funky as it is. I know this is sort of off topic in a way, and arguably not "Mexican". But 90+% of the clients at Tommy's are 100% Latino, OK? I like the chili cheese fries, or, for "lighter" fare, the chili cheese tamale. The dogs suck, and the burgers are just, well, not a patty I want. What I also like about Tommy's is that it's dirt cheap, and they don't gouge for a can of soda, and they'll dump lots of chopped onion on my order, and they have the best brand of those hot little yellow peppers. And always tons of napkins, self service. These guys have been around for decades. Limos pull up sometimes, people in tuxes wait in line. I like it a lot more than Pink's.
                                      But more serious in the chili dept is Chili John's in Burbank. Best I've ever had, and I'm from TX! Really finely chopped beef, not ground. Really hot (or mild if you can't take the hot). Been around since 1919 or so. They bring a bag of a secret recipe of spices every week to the people who make the excellent dogs they serve up. They also feature a nice tamale. And real cheddar. Free refills of soda, in a real glass. I just personally like this finely chopped approach, rather than ground beef, or big old chunks. I don't like anything chunky. Except PB.
                                      -Scott Lindgren scottlindgren@netzero.net


                                      Scott just remember, KC was where the Trails and Cattle from Texas and the Spices And Riches from Santa Fe met the Riverboats from New Orleans and Memphis.
                                      they didn't screw it up, just made it better
                                       
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                                        salindgren

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                                        RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 2:41 AM (permalink)
                                        Ah, what a world of hurt I stepped into here. Okay , for divefl, let me give you a little background, I grew up working with latinos. From the time I was about 14, in restaurants, in TX. I have lived in the most intensely latino part of LA since 1985. If I disliked latinos, why would I do that? I have a passion for Tex-Mex food. I eat chiles every blessed day. I go to Mexican transvestite bars, for crissake (with my girlfriend). You know, Bill Handel on KFI AM 640 is a Jew. He says the most terrible, awful things about Jews, his wife, everyone, a la Don Rickles. You get where I'm coming from here? I like to make fun of my gringo status.
                                        And BTW, when people misspell what I started talking about here, it is NOT a typo, it's ignorance.
                                        For Bill Voss... Well, I'm sure you have a point about KC. I've never been. What I'm saying is that a LOT of what I read about chili in KC sounds really ODD to me. Maybe someone can explain.
                                        Allright, as Al-The Mayor-Bowen suggests, war is not the answer. As for something dumb en espanol, try this out: "Por que no te callas?"
                                        -Scott Lindgren, Your Offensive Half Brain
                                         
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                                          salindgren

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                                          RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 3:01 AM (permalink)
                                          Oh, BTW, I also refer to myself as a cracker, poor white trash, a honkie, OK? Does that molify divefl?
                                          -SL
                                           
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                                            1bbqboy

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                                            RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 8:38 AM (permalink)
                                            Scott, remember, we only give trouble to those we like, and are surely serious rarely.
                                            And don't call me Shirley.
                                            1/2 my family's from between San Angelo and Austin, so I have much experience harrassing Tejanos
                                            It's just sport on here.
                                            ...and Texas Chili is some good stuff, we just can't admit it
                                             
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                                              RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 9:13 AM (permalink)
                                              If they'd just learn how to put beans in it, then it'd be purrrrrrfect.
                                               
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                                                salindgren

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                                                RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 11:35 AM (permalink)
                                                To Bill Voss, thanks for the sentiment. But somehow I don't think divefl is giving me trouble on account of he likes me.
                                                -SL
                                                 
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                                                  jmckee

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                                                  RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 12:22 PM (permalink)
                                                  quote:
                                                  Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

                                                  If you feel left out Michael, say something stupid in Spanish and I will flame you and then lock the thread before a war can break out.


                                                  "Una Cosa Estupida"

                                                  Like that?
                                                   
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                                                    Scorereader

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                                                    RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 2:39 PM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by salindgren

                                                    Ah, what a world of hurt I stepped into here. Okay , for divefl, let me give you a little background, I grew up working with latinos. From the time I was about 14, in restaurants, in TX. I have lived in the most intensely latino part of LA since 1985. If I disliked latinos, why would I do that? I have a passion for Tex-Mex food. I eat chiles every blessed day. I go to Mexican transvestite bars, for crissake (with my girlfriend). You know, Bill Handel on KFI AM 640 is a Jew. He says the most terrible, awful things about Jews, his wife, everyone, a la Don Rickles. You get where I'm coming from here? I like to make fun of my gringo status.
                                                    And BTW, when people misspell what I started talking about here, it is NOT a typo, it's ignorance.
                                                    For Bill Voss... Well, I'm sure you have a point about KC. I've never been. What I'm saying is that a LOT of what I read about chili in KC sounds really ODD to me. Maybe someone can explain.
                                                    Allright, as Al-The Mayor-Bowen suggests, war is not the answer. As for something dumb en espanol, try this out: "Por que no te callas?"
                                                    -Scott Lindgren, Your Offensive Half Brain


                                                    If it's a question, then:
                                                    ¿Por qué no te callas?


                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by salindgren
                                                    A "chile" is a single species of pepper. "Chili" is a Texas-based dish, also now popular in other states



                                                    Actually, your definitions are not absolute (and not entirely correct).
                                                    First, "chile" does not refer to a "species." It is one spelling that describes a "genus" of peppers.

                                                    Second, "chili" is also a proper spelling which also refers to the genus Capsicum. In Mexico, it was originally chilli (or in Nahuatl: xilli).

                                                    so, in fact, there is much more to "chili" than merely a "Texas-based" dish.

                                                    getting obstinate about it is ridiculous.

                                                     
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                                                      1bbqboy

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                                                      RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/7/07 8:04 PM (permalink)
                                                       
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                                                        salindgren

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                                                        RE: chile vs chili Sat, 12/8/07 8:34 AM (permalink)
                                                        Huh. Well Scorereader has actually provided helpful and presumably authoritative info. Thanks! Well... OK, genus. But isn't a serrano, say, or a habanero a particular species? I'm no biologist. I don't mean to be obstinate, it's just funny when people say chile, or chille, when they mean a bowl of chili. Ya know? The stuff that's a nice meal when it's chilly.
                                                        I know, I know, the upside down question mark, I just don't know how to get it on my keyboard! Not an item I need everyday. I guess I should figure that out, along with that squigly thing over the N, and umlauts.
                                                        Isn't there an upside down ! also?

                                                        -Scott Lindgren
                                                         
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                                                          PapaJoe8

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                                                          RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/28/07 6:32 PM (permalink)
                                                          Salin, I'm from Dallas also. Hmmm, that livestock chili sounds kinda good to me! And I thought I knew every chili recipe$%&* after some research I think they still serve it in Fort Worth maybe down around the stockyards?
                                                          Joe
                                                           
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                                                            RE: chile vs chili Fri, 12/28/07 6:58 PM (permalink)
                                                            Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think tamal is the singular and tamales is the plural. I'm not fluent nor even close to being fluent in Spanish but I agree with the spelling of chile(s) and chili (the dish); and am fairly certain about the singular and plural spelling of tamal(tamales).

                                                            Donna
                                                             
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