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2007/06/19 12:36:07 (permalink)

cod fish

Hi all.....I was at the supermarket (publix) this weekend and I was going to buy some cod fish. It was $17.00 per pound!! I asked the guy behind the fish counter when did the price get so high and why and he just said he didn't know. Have any of you noticed this?
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    tiki
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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 12:54:20 (permalink)
    As for the WHY--because the cod were severely over fished and the population is in serious trouble--as to when--quite a while back--in a lot of the country cod was unavailable until recently when the Chinese started harvesting it--but they are SMALL fillets--the bigger North Atlantic cod are rare these days. I know that the price of dried cod --in the box is about 8 times what it was 15 yrs ago.
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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 13:12:41 (permalink)
    Thanks tiki. I didn't realize that cod over fished. I was talking about the thick atlantic cod.
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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 15:48:30 (permalink)
    We use to fish cod, used line and tackle. They are a deep water fish, hang around the bottom. To reel those suckers in it was like reeling in a boot full of water. No fight, just a lot of work.

    A good sized cod was anywhere from 20 to 30lbs, but they could run a lot higher. Somertime they became wormy so we liked the smaller ones 12 to 18lbs, didn't seem to have any worms. But alas, they are no longer there.
    Now most of our cod is Icelandic, whatever that means, could be caught anywhere. Chow Jim
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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 15:56:43 (permalink)
    Canada's abundant cod stocks off of Labrador and Newfoundland were fished to the brink of extinction in one of the most ecological disasters of the 20th century. Grand Banks got closed. Fishermen in New England could only go out and fish on certain days and within certain hours. A wooden cod hangs in the State House in Boston as a symbol of prosperity. Not any more. Unbelievable that the saying "you could walk across the Atlantic on the backs of the cod" is no longer true. We managed to fish out an entire ocean.
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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 16:34:06 (permalink)
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    Now most of our cod is Icelandic, whatever that means, could be caught anywhere. Chow Jim

    Every day a plane flies from Iceland to Boston, Jim. There are people on the plane, on the top deck, but a lot of top quality cod comes in as freight. Iceland has done a good job managing their cod stocks, so they still have cod to sell. Fishermen in Iceland can still work hard and make a good living too. I remember fishing for cod too. (out off Noman's land near Marthas Vinyard) We sold our extra for 5 cents a pound and got enough for gas. After the Russian factory ships came through there was not much left.
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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 19:49:56 (permalink)
    I was in Nova Scotia not long ago and they had a huge Russian mother ship visible from the coast and its job was to receive the fish from their huge fishing ships with nets that were better than a mile long. They would bring the fish back to the mother ship for processing. They remained legal by fishing outside of USA and Canada's territorial limits but it still caused an uproar in the Nova Scotia Newspapers.

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    RE: cod fish 2007/06/19 20:27:27 (permalink)
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    quote:
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    Now most of our cod is Icelandic, whatever that means, could be caught anywhere. Chow Jim

    Every day a plane flies from Iceland to Boston, Jim. There are people on the plane, on the top deck, but a lot of top quality cod comes in as freight. Iceland has done a good job managing their cod stocks, so they still have cod to sell. Fishermen in Iceland can still work hard and make a good living too. I remember fishing for cod too. (out off Noman's land near Marthas Vinyard) We sold our extra for 5 cents a pound and got enough for gas. After the Russian factory ships came through there was not much left.


    I don't mean to de-rail this thread but the mention of Noman's Land brought back a memory. A good friend who was a scalloper lost his boat and his life there with his two black labs. Unfortunately the only thing that washed up on shore was the boat. He used to bring me scallops in the shell with the roe and all "European Style". They were delicious.
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    RE: cod fish 2007/07/22 02:20:45 (permalink)
    Wow, that is really interest about the cod being overfished. Does this include black cod and lingcod? I used to fish lingcod in Canada and it seemed like we couldnt keep em out the boat (pretty anecdotal data, i know)...
    I recall McCormicks in Seattle having a really good cod dish that i remember being cheaper than most the other stuff on the menu... maybe those prices have changes since last time i went in
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    RE: cod fish 2007/07/27 13:49:04 (permalink)
    We've been overfishing cod for the past 500 years off of the Canada/ New England coast.If you read your early histories, cod fishing is a continuing motif. Thank you, John Cabot!
    I remember years ago, Maine fishermen selling their catch to Russians just off the boundary waters. The Russians usually offered a better price than the native markets.
    Unfortunately, the Russians, the Japanese and the Icelanders all overfish and they scrape the bottom- taking everything.
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    RE: cod fish 2007/07/27 13:58:22 (permalink)
    Cod, at Publix, is nowhere near $17 per pound. That's at least $5 overcharge. I think your Publix is doing something crooked. (at least according to what we pay here in South Florida).
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    RE: cod fish 2007/07/27 16:17:33 (permalink)
    i just paid $10.99 a pound for U.S - caught, never frozen cod at Whole Foods...(needless to say, i bought about 5 pounds, portioned it up, and vacuum sealed what i didn't use immediately for the freezer!)
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    RE: cod fish 2007/07/30 19:34:24 (permalink)
    Beardsly's Dried Codfish used to be available in supermarkets in a small box, used to look like shaved wood excelsior packing. My mom would soak it in water and use it in a recipe(on the box)to make Codfish cakes. Have been looking for it to no avail. Probably the victim of the cod overfishing, too. I guess I liked it as that was 30 years ago and I still remebered the name!
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    RE: cod fish 2007/07/30 19:50:48 (permalink)
    I just paid $4.99 lb. for fresh Pacific cod the other day. I prepared it New England style, broiled, then topped with seasoned breadcrumbs, drizzled with butter. It was to die for. No difference in taste or size between Pacific and Atlantic cod.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/23 20:14:18 (permalink)
    Well, its Friday night in Milwaukee, and just about every restaurant here is serving a fish fry.Just wanted to report on a fun place here in Menomonee falls that has an excellent fry made with cod.The restaurant is called the Schwabenhof,and is really a rather large hall with a bar attached.Looks good for wedding receptions, etc...The all you can eat dinner is beautifully lightly breaded and deep fried cod,choice of potato pancakes,french fries or baked potatoe,cole slaw and the obligatory marble rye bread and butter.The price is $8.95- a real steal here.While this is not an elegant place,everything on the walls is written in German,the music is piped in accordian type GermanFest style tunes,and totally appropriate for the type of restaurant it touts to be.While the fish is excellent, the cole slaw was tasteless.I will ask for a different type of side dish next time.I was with two of my favorite people,but the only experience that ruined our dining pleasure was a woman next to us constantly complaing how slow the service was(Even getting on her cell phone to complain to someone!)We felt badly for her husband, who pretty much sat there and said nothing.So, instead of getting totally annoyed,we made up a story of their life.Quietly,of course!! All in all,a fun time and good food-which is what i consider roadfood to be.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 07:15:36 (permalink)
    Not to doubt you but I'd be very surprised if in fact it was actually cod.
    My guess it's probably pollack at that price. Still a good white fish used for many catch of the day or fish and chip type dishes.
    I haven't checked the landing numbers recently but I know most areas are closed to cod fishing at this time. Chow Jim
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 14:35:41 (permalink)
    Fresh cod here in Nova Scotia is $6-7 a pound. Locals prefer haddock, a seafood staple, and about the same price as cod. Most fish n chips places only serve haddock. Haddock is considered a cleaner fish than cod, thus the preference.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 17:31:50 (permalink)
    I do love both cod and pollock and have caught them in Boston and the Cape Cod area. I prefer haddock because it does not have parasites. Cod is full of worms. Here in W. PA cod was $16.95/lb the other day. I bought Maryland crab and made crabcakes! Looking forward to getting back to AK next week and having king crab and halibut.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 18:05:12 (permalink)
    if cod is full of worms, why is it served nation-wide?
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 18:12:44 (permalink)
    Full of worms?
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 19:04:38 (permalink)
    I saw fried cod today on a menu at $9.99 and fried Whiting at 8.99. I didn't get either, but I was at Jad's CaddyShack in Essex Maryland and that place has pretty healthy portions.

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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 19:36:08 (permalink)
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    I do love both cod and pollock and have caught them in Boston and the Cape Cod area. I prefer haddock because it does not have parasites. Cod is full of worms. Here in W. PA cod was $16.95/lb the other day. I bought Maryland crab and made crabcakes! Looking forward to getting back to AK next week and having king crab and halibut.


    In my posting I said that haddock were considered "cleaner." I didn't want to get into details. But you've really opened a can of worms.

    So what now? There are parasites in fish and cod seems to have them more frequently. However, most parasites are removed in the fish plant. The ones missed are killed by cooking and are harmless. I still buy cod with full knowledge of the reality and so do many others. However, now you know why, in cod country, haddock is preferred to cod.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 20:35:28 (permalink)
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    i just paid $10.99 a pound for U.S - caught, never frozen cod at Whole Foods...(needless to say, i bought about 5 pounds, portioned it up, and vacuum sealed what i didn't use immediately for the freezer!)

    Why would one think it virtuous to buy never frozen fish, then toss it in the freezer?
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 21:19:29 (permalink)
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    So what now? There are parasites in fish and cod seems to have them more frequently. However, most parasites are removed in the fish plant. The ones missed are killed by cooking and are harmless. I still buy cod with full knowledge of the reality and so do many others. However, now you know why, in cod country, haddock is preferred to cod.


    As one who has HAD a parasite from undercooked seafood, I can't agree with the harmless comment. I'm taking lleechef's word for it and avoiding certain types of fish. That parasite did me in and took the docs a long time to diagnose for some reason. Pretty awful experience! (Thanks Lisa, I'm happy to know more about cod... since you know I live in "cod heaven"!)

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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 21:33:09 (permalink)
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    Full of worms?

    Absolutely. That's why I never buy cod.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 22:46:38 (permalink)
    I hate to break the bad news but halibut also has parasites. Not that it will make me stop eating it.......or cod for that matter. All of the cod and halibut are "candled" by fish workers that pull out the worms with tweezers. Yes, I know it sounds nasty but that's how they do it.

    Oh, cecif, I did not realize that you lived in Beverly! Shucks, my Black Cow restaurant is right up Rt. 1A in Hamilton.

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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/24 22:59:33 (permalink)
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    Oh, cecif, I did not realize that you lived in Beverly! Shucks, my Black Cow restaurant is right up Rt. 1A in Hamilton.


    LOL, Lisa I know... we have discussed it elsewhere (months ago at least)... in fact every time I drive by I think of you! I haven't been in for a long time but when I do I know I am supposed to tell someone you said hi (I think it was the BC). And some day soon, I promise, I will get back to the Daily Catch (too many people on the 6/1 meet'n'eat to go there... sigh). Last time you looked though, I was probably listed in Marblehead.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/25 08:36:10 (permalink)
    Now that I think about it, I've never seen Cod, Halibut or Haddock sushi/sashimi. Perhaps this ommission could be due to the parasites.
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    RE: cod fish 2008/05/25 09:51:26 (permalink)
    Well, whatever I had,Jim,it was one of the best fish fries I have had in the Milwaukee area!
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    RE: cod fish 2008/09/30 19:01:17 (permalink)
    For a good read about cod, including its long history of overfishing, get the book called "Cod." Also available as a set of CDs. The author has also written books about salt procurement and oysters. The back section includes recipes from around the world.

    Black cod is not a true cod. It certainly tastes and feels like cod, though (delicate and delicious).
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