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mulb511

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RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 12:56 PM (permalink)
Would it be completely impossible to drive from Las Vegas to Sedona in one day & then back to Flagstaff for the night? Looking at the Thursday schedule - with Friday a "train day" & Saturday off to the Petrified Forest - may be the only way.. Otherwise, which do I give up? Sedona or the Painted Desert? Thinking that he'd like one & I'd like the other, but this is my gift to him...Travelling back to Vegas on Sunday via Utah in time for a 7:30 show... golf early a.m. on Monday & then depart Monday night - guess he'll get to gamble on Wed. afternoon/evening of arrival & some on Monday afternoon before departure.. I'll be napping for sure...
 
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 1:14 PM (permalink)
    The 1999 edition of Eat Your Way Across the U.S.A. listed two eateries in the northern Arizona area you're traveling in. Jane and Michael wrote good reviews about Old Smoky's Pancake House in Williams, Az. and the Tuba City Truck Stop in Tuba City, Az. Both look terrific to me and I would jump at a chance to eat at either place.

    They summed up Old Smokey's this way: "It's the sort of honest town cafe that helped Americans fall in love with travel on the open road a half a century ago."

    The Tuba City Truck stop is also listed in the 1997 edition of Eat Your Way Across the U.S.A. and the 1992 edition of Roadfood. Jane and Michael don't mention any Northern Arizona eateries in the 2002 edition of Roadfood.

    Fortunately, Michael has included a review of Old Smoky’s on the Roadfood Web site. It follows:

    Reviewers Writeup

    Old Smoky’s is a blast from roadsides' past: a cozy, wood-paneled pancake house where locals and travelers rub elbows at the counter and exchange news over the backs of well-worn upholstered booths. Open from 6am until 1:30 in the afternoon, it has a small lunch menu that includes chile cheeseburgers and bowls of homemade chili topped with biscuits, but it's breakfast – served anytime – that puts it on the map. Select your toast from five kinds of homemade yeast bread (including a seductively swirly cheddar wheat), or have excellent French toast made from any of the loaves. There are nine flavors of sweet bread, honest buttermilk or buckwheat pancakes, and a Billy Hatcher red chili, cheese, and bean omelet (named for the Chicago Cub who came from Williams).

    Beyond such exemplary short-order fare, what endears Old Smoky’s is its old-time highway atmosphere. We were strangers when we first stepped in the door several years ago, but were soon drawn into conversations among the staff and pancake eaters about everything from the current price of cranberries to major detours on the road ahead. Before we knew it, we had put away about a dozen cups of coffee and the morning was mostly gone. It was just the sort of genial café experience that makes the Route 66 road trip a necessary course for any Roadfood scholar.

    - Michael Stern, 8/18/2000

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      mulb511

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      RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 1:19 PM (permalink)
      Hi Jim,
      I had printed out the info on Old Smoky's but hadn't noted the other.. I was just heading in to get my copy of Roadfood (actually I have 2 editions).. & check it out. Thanks for your help.
       
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        RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 1:30 PM (permalink)
        Not meaning to cut out all the rest of the group, but I'll answer using email, it will save space here and we can discuss back and forth easier. AL
         
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          RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 1:46 PM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by mulb511

          Hi Jim,
          I had printed out the info on Old Smoky's but hadn't noted the other.. I was just heading in to get my copy of Roadfood (actually I have 2 editions).. & check it out. Thanks for your help.

          If you don't have an edition listing the Tuba City Truck Stop, let me know and I'll type the full review, directions, and contact info here for you.
           
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            mulb511

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            RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 1:48 PM (permalink)
            I found the review in the Roadfood reviews area & printed it out...thanks...Getting hungry..
             
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              mayor al

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              RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 3:05 PM (permalink)
              Folks
              I just sent an itinerary for a 2 day return to Vegas via Page and Zion N P to 511 via email. Making the night stop in Page/Lake Powell. Had to cut the Petrified Forest-Holbrook leg out of the trip to do it. Anyone with recommendations for food in Page, Zion Park area, or St George Add them in here please. I have mentioned Springdale's Brambleberry Pie cafe and the casino's of Mesquite.
              AL
               
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                mulb511

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                RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 5:46 PM (permalink)
                To keep everyone informed who's travelling along with us - In my itinerary I've included the following eateries per all of your suggestions: Paris, The Venetian & Circus/Circus in Las Vegas. The truck stop near Kingman. Casa Rincon in Sedona. Old Smoky's in Williams. Granny's in Flagstaff. Tuba City Truck Stop & Brambleberry. I've also booked an 8:06 a.m. tee time at Snow Mountain for golf (thanks to clementine's suggestion). Still looking to fill out a couple of meals in Las Vegas & eating in Page, AZ (Al did send me the town page, but no recommendations). Lunch along the way from Tuba City to Lake Powell would be helpful.
                Looks nice & neat in the table format that I'm opting for. Now to make it all happen!!!! Thanks for all of your help ~
                 
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                  mayor al

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                  RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 6:08 PM (permalink)
                  My wife just smiled when I told her that you wanted a lunch stop between Tuba City and Page...hehehe Kim, there isn't a building over 4 ft square on AZ 98 !!! There is a trading post at Kayenta and some kind of fast food. But I would recommend the Tuba City Stop then hold on til Page.... I didn't recommend any one place in Page cuz my memory can't bring up the recall of the steakhouse we used to stop at on each trip thru.
                  P S That's why Little Debbies and TasteKakes are called Survival Food !
                   
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                    RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 6:15 PM (permalink)
                    Actually, the cafe in Seligman has a good breakfast and lunch available...for a Route 66 diner/cafe. It's a little more than two hours from Las Vegas by way of the Dam. Sedona is under six hours (including a stop for breakfast or lunch) if you head south from Flagstaff on 89A. The drive south is great, but we didn't find anything outstanding to eat in Sedona. Maybe we didn't look hard enough.
                     
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                      mulb511

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                      RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 6:59 PM (permalink)
                      Cafe' in Seligman??? Not sure which you mean-- Help me out with a bit more & I'll add it in... Thanks so much for the recommendation for golf - the pro at the shop (Greg) was very helpful & willing to accomodate my lack of fax to take my credit card # for the golf fees.

                      Hey Al - thanks for the heads-up on packing some travelling food...If I can find a grocery store we'll be all set.
                       
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                        mayor al

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                        RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 8:10 PM (permalink)
                        Kim
                        Clementine is right on the money with the comment about the Seligman cafe. Scratch the truck stop east of Kingman and increase the time in Seligman. Check the map to catch the difference in distances. I love hanging out in that town. Always get a chance to swap stories with some train crews at the RR station there.there.

                        RE- Survival food- There is an Albertson's and a WalMart SuperCenter on U S 89 as you leave Flagstaff going north.
                         
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                          RE: las vegas to flagstaff Sun, 12/7/03 8:27 PM (permalink)
                          Can't remember the name of the cafe, it might be called Route 66 Cafe. Doesn't matter, I think there are only two (across from each other) and this one is on the south side of the road in Seligman, towards the west end.

                          I'm sure your husband will enjoy his round of golf on Snow Mountain. By the way, the sandwiches in the club house are very good. One other little tidbit of info, I would stay away from most buffets in Vegas...for the most part, they all taste the same.
                           
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                            mulb511

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                            RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 6:33 AM (permalink)
                            hi there from early on the East Coast...

                            Your corrections are noted & I'll include them in the planning. Not sure about the directional aspect of finding my way into the right cafe.. Does anybody have a color? Some landmark to direct me into the right one? Something on the same side of the street? Although - based on the fact that we have our own end of Route 66 here in Western Massachusetts I'm hoping it's the Route 66 Cafe.. Great photo op! Have a good day - I'm off to work & will check here at noon & then later tonight ~
                            p.s. I'll make a note on the food fare at Snow Mt., but don't really enjoy the "golf widow" aspect being extended - Maybe I could meet him there after he finishes (noonish or later, I'd guess) & we could eat lunch there (one less meal to plan).
                             
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                              mayor al

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                              RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 8:54 AM (permalink)

                              You will see the humor in your question when you arrive in Seligman. Coming from the west, the cafe is the one on the right side of Main St. (or on the side towards the Interstate)
                              Plan on that being one of the test questions at the end of the trip!
                               
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                                RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 12:44 PM (permalink)
                                Noted... I was trying to explain to the folks at work how the planning of this trip was going & said that I had "men across the US organizing it for me"... They were stunned that I would accept all of your advice & cancel reservations, commit to golf courses, agree to eat in unheard-of restaurants(except by those who count) & change my travel itinerary... My answer, "it's the American way - what better credentials than those who've gone before". I'll take all of your opinions over those of the tourbooks. Been burned before with bad directions, tiny hotel rooms, & overpriced restaurants.
                                Lunch almost over, but I'm looking at the print-out of the photo you sent & dreaming of 5 weeks from now. Keep the advice coming :-)
                                 
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                                  RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 1:52 PM (permalink)
                                  mulb511, former valley of the sun resident Bill here,
                                  ....now to throw this for a curve. Do you realize the elevations you'll be at? This is high desert/mountains and Flag is 7000 feet. It's Arizona's ski area. Mid January is why scottsdale, Spas, and golf were invented. Lots drive up from Phoenix to the GC, yours is a interesting reverse.
                                  . That said, based on your love of buildings, you've got to go to Prescott and on to Jerome, a Copper Mining Town that slid down the Mountainside, turned ghost town, and now has experienced a rebirth. Sedona has red rocks and mystic mumbo jumbo, but Prescott has a real 4 sided town square, old buildings, and a life. Huge 4th of July celebration every year. Tuba City's a haul through wintertime landscapes, but the navajo and hopi reservations are unique. Listen to
                                  KTNN< AM 660 for a idea of how far from New England you are. As you descend from Flag, the air gets warmer and winter
                                  lightens up. http://www.azjerome.com/
                                  If you love Frank Lloyd Wright you've got to get to scottsdale to see Taliesin West sometime in your life. http://www.franklloydwright.org/index.cfm?section=tour&action=taliesinwest
                                  Almost forgot, If you take 66 west out of Kingman, it's twilight zone time. Narrow Hwy that goes to the town of Oatman, an old gold mining town floating in the desert in the middle of nowhere. You have to come back to 93 though, or continue on to the Colorado. .http://www.oatmangold.com/rt66.htm Also, consider renting something with 4 wheel drive for your journey. Another place you must go is Arcosanti, Paoli Soleri's new age community at cordes junction, Arizona(just a little bit further down I-17)
                                  http://www.arcosanti.org/
                                  Usually something cultural going on and they have a cafe there. Extremely worthwhile!
                                   
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                                    mulb511

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                                    RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 2:44 PM (permalink)
                                    Hi Bill,
                                    Thanks for joining our band of merry wanderers. You've given me alot to look at/think about. My major in college was environmental design with an architecture concentration & a minor in art history (esp. architectural)& 17 years married to an architect (ex-hubby)... yowza! I did want to let you know that I took very seriously your vehicle recommendation & called to change my reservations. No 4-wheel drives available or all-terrain. I changed to a full size for $20 more. A good suggestion & hope it's enough. Will the altitude bother an asthmatic (not me, but my beloved)?
                                    Will respond tonight after I look this over - stealing a bit of time from work to daydream...
                                    What do my fellow "virtual travellers" think of these suggestions? Don't be shy now - we're all friends.
                                     
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                                      RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 4:59 PM (permalink)
                                      Bill and group..
                                      The plan we sent over goes like this...Out of Vegas Thursday morning..down US 93 to Kingman..Look around the rail stuff (her choice not mine !!) then east on I-40 to Seligman for Breakfast. Then East to Ash Fork and South on US 89 toward Prescott...East on US 89a--the back door to Jerome and Sedona. I included the web pages of food choices in both places for her selection. At the end of the day they come into Flagstaff...Hopefully not in heavy snow.
                                      Friday is Grand Canyon Rail Day ALL DAY-- night in Flagstaff again, THEN
                                      Saturday North on U S 89 -Tuba City and out into Monument Valley ending up in the late afternoon in Page..Time for a Lake Powell Boat Ride if it is nice weather.
                                      Sunday- The Vermillion Cliffs, thru Kanab to Zion Park then down the 15 , Thru The Virgin River Gorge, Mesquite and into Vegas in time for the evening entertainment.
                                      The only place that snow would be a possible issue is close to Flagstaff...and it could be !!

                                      --KIM-- Two of my kids are asthmatic the only time the elevation bothered them was when they got into heavy phyical activity (basketball at 9000 ft did it).. but another note for your consideration. Regular unleaded gas in the back county and in All of Utah is usually 85 octane as opposed to the 87 available in most of the rest of the country. In fact there are some brands (Stinker for one) that sometimes has 84 octane. At high altitudes this can affect the running of the car. (pinging when u step on the gas). When you gas up in Flag, be sure to chose the level of fuel that claims to be 87 or higher octane. Once you are down under 5000 ft or so, and the hills are less steep It won't matter at all, go back to the regular fuel.
                                       
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                                        RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 5:12 PM (permalink)
                                        Bill, I second your comments on OATMAN.. What a treasure. She needs 4 more days to do all that the 'Foodies' have suggested.
                                        After all this scheming and mapping etc for MULB511, We decided last night that we're going to take the month of February to do a SoCal and Oregon triangle roadtrip to see the two mothers (Janet's and mine) I look forward to Seligman and OATMAN as valuable parts of the "Remember the Old Days" part of the trip.
                                         
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                                          RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 6:02 PM (permalink)
                                          Al, wasn't trying to change focus, just got excited about sharing stuff I've learned. You won't get any objections to train watching from me, a child of the Santa Fe. All were suggestions based on being a former Arizona resident. These were all locales our out of state visitors enjoyed, Las Vegas included. Arcosanti esecially, based on Kim's interest, is a must go, I think. It's mind altering. I'm mainly thinking of snow because I hate it. I like the low desert at that time of year because it's summer is December thru March, festivals, events-this is the time to be there because it's all alive. The other eight months convinced us to move to Southern Oregon. No snow on the rogue valley floor, no 118 degree days, and I'm glad!
                                           
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                                            mulb511

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                                            RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 6:39 PM (permalink)
                                            Just noted that there have been over 400 entries to read this little dialogue. Should I be renting a double-decker bus? Please know that I appreciate each of your contributions & feel that every one that has participated so far has understood a little about the person that I am. Certainly Al & I share the fascination of the trains (I'm not a railfan, per se, as I don't chase the trains. I love the stations, the history & the riding on a piece of the past). Mr. Jim kindly offered up his suggestion for reading about the Grand Canyon (did you know that I was a die hard booklover?) Pete & Clementine each piped in with useful suggestions & I printed them out & included them in the binder. I now hear from Bill (where have you been Bill?) & know that he speaks to the part of me that is interested in architecture & place. Dr. Chanterelle started us off with his own travelogue & we were on our way. Some of the options that you've each shared will have to wait (sorry Holbrook, Taliesen & the Painted Desert), but most are being included in my itinerary. I feel a bit like a pioneer girl. The letters are arriving back from those that went before me. Isn't that how it's always been in the US?
                                            I'm still hoping to eat one southwestern meal in train station - If not, I'll be having coffee in the Williams station. I hope that anyone reading who feels a little urge to just "pipe up" will do so.
                                            As a strange aside (but it's about food)... Any good Thai restaurants along the way?
                                            This is going to be one memorable trip & you are each to thank~
                                             
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                                              RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 6:54 PM (permalink)
                                              Don't know whether your hub-S.O. is a baseball fan, but think future journey revolving around baseball training. Lots of games. March is THE month for a
                                              Valley of the Sun break. Do golf, tour Arizona Biltmore, lots of mexican and thai Food & low desert sightseeing on a future jaunt.
                                              http://www.arizonabiltmore.com/
                                               
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                                                RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 7:12 PM (permalink)
                                                Bill
                                                I understand your frame of reference very well!! Didn't mean to sound huffy !! Hey this is wide open for input. I think Kim has recived a lot of input from a wide variety of the Roadfood folks.
                                                I know when I have received advice from folks here about places to go and things to see, 95+% of the time they have been outstanding.
                                                The comment on Phoenix reminded me of the quickie trip we made last May to rescue (read Uhaul move) my son and his family from Phoenix to Louisville. It was 78 when we left Flagstaff at 11 am and 113 2 hours later in Phoenix. I love the desert, but that was a bit much for me.! i may be asking for I-5 advice up in your part of OR if our plans for February work out.
                                                 
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                                                  RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 7:52 PM (permalink)
                                                  I'm here, Mayor. Between Doctor Chanterelle and myself, I'm sure we can
                                                  cover this strech of roadfood for you and the wife. Where's Mom'n law at in Oregon.
                                                   
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                                                    RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 8:50 PM (permalink)
                                                    Oh great! Al dangles the potential for great fishing & now you add baseball.. Let me put it this way - my gift for his 45th birthday (last July) was tix to see the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium (a lifelong wish & Roger was pitching). A fabulous game & the Sox won. He's said it was as good as he'd imagined. Yankee Stadium was great fun & much warmer than when we saw the Red Sox on Easter (brrrrrr).
                                                    I'm just so heartened that people will lend a hand to strangers...
                                                    Chivalry is alive & well in cyberspace --
                                                    Hey - did I ever find out if there were regional specialties that we should make a point of eating? I know that we "wandered" off on the actually road part of the roadfood concept.
                                                     
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                                                      RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 9:42 PM (permalink)
                                                      MULB
                                                      Regional Specialites will ALL contain Tortillas...Take it from there. The Tuba City stop will do that as will the lunch offerings from the "Grill" in the Jerome lists. There is as much variety in the Mexican food/Indian Food offerings as any other country in the world.
                                                      A friend and fellow Train-freak from SoCal left this evening to ride the Grand Canyon Railroad Wed. of this week. I asked him to check out Smokey's in Williams for me. It has been a few years since my last stop there. So hopefully we will have updated info shortly. We will take his train review with a grain of salt...He rides in the Luxury Dome Car and drinks Gin, while I did the open coach with two beers to last the trip !!

                                                      Bill,
                                                      My sister has lived in Canby for 30+years. Her Husband worked for Western Airlines and then Delta before retiring. Most of that time was based at PDX. When we left SoCal 3 years ago Mom found an Independent/Assisted living place reasonably close to my sister. It is in Mt.Angel, near Salem. Our basic outline will be Out to L A from Louisville...A few days with Janets Mother there. I will leave her with her Mother while Duffie and I hang out for a couple of days with the my old train-freaks on the Mojave Desert. Then Jan and I will head up to Oregon... via Tehachapi Loop, rt 99 and then I-5 over the mountains. Will spend the better part of one day from Klamath Falls to Salem, A few days to a week in the Portland area with family, Then depending on the weather, Up the Gorge, to Boise and points east... or down 395 to Reno US 95 to Vegas, 93 to I-40 then east again.
                                                      3 to 4 weeks overall.
                                                       
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                                                        RE: las vegas to flagstaff Mon, 12/8/03 10:51 PM (permalink)
                                                        Several have used this resource for serious stadium tours. Baseball &
                                                        Roadfood have close ties. But that's for winter after this one...
                                                        Based on what you said your loves were, I can't stress enough how unique Arcosanti is.Don't know if you'll tire of rocky vistas in your short stay, but I like towns in the mountains more than the mountains themselves. Food-mexican food will be everywhere, even in non-mexican restuarants. The red and green chile stews should be excellent in most cafes. Indian fry bread-basically a tostada-maybe, but I'm not a fan.

                                                        Mayor, you'll miss us if you take the 97 turnoff. Go straight at Weed and come through the Rogue Valley for lunch, my treat.


                                                        Bill

                                                         
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                                                          mulb511

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                                                          RE: las vegas to flagstaff Tue, 12/9/03 6:19 AM (permalink)
                                                          I'm looking forward to all that's being offered up & only wish we were travelling for twice as long. David's idea of vacation (when we met) was Disney or a cruise (maybe golfing in Hawaii). Since meeting we've spent 5 days on an island staying in the lighthouse keeper's cottage with 3 girls under 12 & a 2000 mile roundtrip drive from Mass. to Nova Scotia with a 4, 11 & 16 year old (I, unfortunately, had to do all of the driving because of the car rental rules). That stay was for us to stay in a train station (with my son staying in a boxcar one night). This trip is sans kids & just for the 2 of us. We are both excellent travelling companions & he let slip that the Grand Canyon & Las Vegas were places he'd always wanted to visit. He did 1 semester at Colorado State (before getting too homesick) & regrets that he didn't get to see the western/southwestern part of the U.S. This is my treat to him, but it's also mixed in with regular food, regular roads & coach seats on the train. I am hoping for a boat trip on Lake Powell. Make this "Trains, Planes, Automobiles & Boats" I think that you get the idea. Thanks for the food input. He loves hot & spicy & I like mine a bit milder. I think that we'll do fine.
                                                          As an aside, my dream trip is the train up the California Coast to pick up the boat to Alaska & then choo-choo around Alaska & fly home. Not sure if I'll get there before 50, but might just happen.
                                                          Good morning all & I'll check back around noon to see what everyone's up to.
                                                          Al - is Bill's suggestion doable at all? Tell me where/how to make the changes if you think so. You're driving this train ~
                                                           
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                                                            RE: las vegas to flagstaff Tue, 12/9/03 6:37 AM (permalink)
                                                            Realized that I left off probably the most important aspects of the difference in life since I arrived - diners, diners, & more diners. He grewe up outside of Worcester & wasn't a diner diner. I've worked to remedy that: The Parkway, Boulevard, Corner Lunch, Chet's, in and around Worcester. O'Rourkes in Middletown, CT, Olympia in Newington, CT & any other diner along the way (including Bobby's Girl near Lake Winn in N.H.) He's becoming a convert... Tee hee
                                                             
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