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2003/12/05 12:29:41 (permalink)

las vegas to flagstaff

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Mid-January vacation & taking the honey on a surprise trip to Las Vegas & then driving to Flagstaff so that we can see the Grand Canyon in the winter... Sound fun? Especially since we're from New England. Anyone have any ideas on where to eat? We're diner folk, but also love good cooking...
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/05 13:43:49 (permalink)
    Hey Mulb!
    Spent two nights in Flagstaff recently, and included some roadfood comments in a post trip report on this site: http://www.roadfood.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1893
    However, you've got to dig into it a bit to get the Flagstaff stuff. You might also do a search of the Roadfood.com archives for more. One bit of advice, try to stay as far away from the railroad tracks as you can, no matter what Bushie says.
    Have a great trip. John
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/05 13:49:00 (permalink)
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    Hey Mulb!
    Spent two nights in Flagstaff recently, and included some roadfood comments in a post trip report on this site: http://www.roadfood.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1893
    However, you've got to dig into it a bit to get the Flagstaff stuff. You might also do a search of the Roadfood.com archives for more. One bit of advice, try to stay as far away from the railroad tracks as you can, no matter what Bushie says.
    Have a great trip. John


    Hi John,

    I meant to note that I had marked down Old Smoky's in Williams & The Venetian in Las Vegas from Roadfood's notes. We're staying at the Radisson Woodlands in Flagstaff. I'll look in depth at your travelogue when home from work. Just want this to be a memorable trip & we all know that it's usually all about the food!
    Thanks.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/05 17:59:50 (permalink)
    I'll be driving Vegas to Memphis next weekend. If you down 95 in Nevada, there's not much between Vegas and Laughlin. If you go by way of Hoover dam, (my recommendation) there's even less, but better scenery.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/05 18:25:14 (permalink)
    Sheesch John, A little train noise can be relaxing background music to some folks.!!! BTW Blame me for that insanity, not the Bush !

    MULB-511 Is your name based on the battery code for my digital camera???
    I have a valid non-railroad suggestion for your trip out of Vegas...

    I am assuming you are doing a round trip ..out and back from Vegas. Going to Flagstaff, with a stop at the South Rim on the way... Use U S 93 , that crosses Hoover Dam, then runs down to Kingman. Go east on Old 66 if you have a lot of time to gawk at the scenery, or use I-40 if you need to make time. Stop for the night in Williams AZ the food stop mentioned above is pretty good in Williams. 2nd Day- Go north from Williams to the South Rim, Enjoy your day as you wander east along the rim, then head east to the junction with U S 89, then south to Flagstaff.
    3rd day, If you are starting back to Vegas,start as early as you can. Go north on 89 again to Page,AZ. Visit the Glen Canyon Dam and the head-end of Lake Powell, then continue on 89 thru Kanab to Mt Carmel Jct. (the back door to Zion Nat'l Park). Follow Rt 9 thru Zion N.P. to I-15 near St George. South on the 15, It is just about 2 hours from the jct. of 9 with I-15 to Vegas.
    I suggest the circle trip, if you can spare the time, because the scenery in Southern Utah is really beautiful in a brilliant colored desert kind of way. I think Zion is my favorite N P for scenery.
    If you have no real reason to go to Flagstaff, it will save a couple of hours of driving if you skip Flag altogether. From the Grand Canyon go north on 89 and stay that night in Page. They have a ton of Motels there....and it will give you more daylight for the last lap back to Vegas via Zion.
    Now that is what I consider a dandy 3 day trip.

    I have to share my reasoning with you. For years up to close to my retirement time in 2000 we had planned to relocate to St George, Utah upon leaving SoCal. I really love the area....but so do literally thousands of former SoCal senior citizens. The property prices shot up and cost of living right along with them...so we altered our plans a year before the big day.[|)] Luckily for visitors the visible growth is limited to areas near St George, the natural beauty of the mountains and desert are still beyond belief. AND if you have never seen a Polygamist community you can by driving thru Colorado City AZ on the bypass highway south of Zion Park. Interesting place to visit!!
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/05 19:53:44 (permalink)
    Good call, Al. The only thing I would add to that is the train ride north to the canyon that starts in Williams. It's a fine, fun way to spend a few hours.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/05 20:01:51 (permalink)
    Pete,
    If you have a full day at the Canyon, and aren't headed anywhere else that day, The train is OUTSTANDING...but if you are headed "out" after visiting for 1/2 day or so, then keep your car!!
    Also Note, The North Rim is great in the Summer or Fall, but I don't recommend a winter run to it unless you are a knowledgeable outdoorsie 4x4 driver.
    In 1999 we drove down to the Colorado River just where it leaves the deepest part of the canyon, using the road owned by one of the Indian tribes in the Peach Springs AZ area.($5 Toll) The road was a 25 mile experience I won't soon forget. it followed dry stream beds most of the way down into the canyon...The kind of thing you read about when a distant thunderstorm causes flash floods 50 miles away..... Anyway it ending at a small sandbar sticking out into the river where rafting groups put in to shore. What a spectacular ride
    that was. Thats a side trip I recommend to anyone who loves to ride the back country.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 06:34:52 (permalink)
    Mr. Mayor,
    A thousand pardons, if you would! Caulk up my confusion to newbieness - hope it's not something worse. jm
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 07:15:26 (permalink)
    Wow - greetings from snowy (we're in for a nor'easter) Massachusetts. Was pleasantly surprised to wake up to multiple replies to my ? I'll try to respond in some orderly fashion. Our trip is a Wed. a.m. thru Tues a.m. trip in the middle of January. We arrive (& depart) from Las Vegas & have reservations for 3 days in Flagstaff (starting to wonder if I should alter that?) I've already booked our roundtrip train from Williams (being a choo choo gal at heart). We are renting a mid-size car (unlimited mileage/unheard of in New England) & we're both experienced, hardy drivers. We will spend first night in Las Vegas & leave for Arizona. We will then have 1 additional night in Vegas (& all day) before a red-eye return flight to Boston.
    My plan is to print out your responses & use them as our "guidebook" for this trip - so comment away...
    My name is based on the street I live on - hint: Dr. Seuss -
    Thanks again~
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 08:40:31 (permalink)
    With an itinerary like that, I have a couple more suggestions. Take your rental car for a drive out to Red Rock Canyon, just west of Vegas. I would also spend a night in Laughlin and have dinner at the Boiler Room. Personally, I think one night in Flagstaff would suffice. I can't recall the name, but there is a very nice hotel, not motel, in downtown Flag, that is worth seeking out. Except for Little America, it's probably the only $60 room in town, shouldn't be too hard to find.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 08:58:53 (permalink)
    511-
    As a proud graduate of Salem State, I can testify that the "spatial relationships" between locations in Mass. compared to NV-AZ will be amazing to you, if this is your first trip into that area.
    My suggestions above were based on my own personal preferences for wandering, and not meant to imply that doing day trips out of a central location was less than a good idea.
    There are some really nice places to visit within a day of Flagstaff, depending oun your tastes in adventure.
    Sedona is just a couple of hours south if you are into the 'artsey-fartsey' up-scale desert living thing. Some great galleries and related stuff to visit.
    Meteor Crater is within a couple of hours East on I-40 for the natural calamity buff, Monument Vally is a great one day trip north,then east .
    There is plenty to see and do for 3 days in Flagstaff, but be willing to open your mind to expanded distances. Be prepared for cold and snow in Flag and at the canyon, but the other locations will have less possibility for snow. Winter weather there is based on elevation, not the "further north concept" of the eastern USA. We lived at about 4000 ft on the California desert and had a few days of snow every winter, whereas a neighboring town just 30 miles away very seldom saw any at all. The reason- they were at 2700 ft elevation.
    You will enjoy Northern AZ. Wish you had the time for the So utah too, but that is why we go back !!
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 10:23:04 (permalink)
    Quick note before off into the snowy weather... we're an odd couple in that I love land, architecture, trains, diners, food, etc. & my beloved is a golfer, fisherman, & salesman. This trip is my gift to him, with a couple of treats for me (the train in Williams being one). Neither of us has ever been to the Grand Canyon & I was in Vegas over 20 years ago. Trying to limit the gambling time by getting us "out of town". All suggestions for what to do are worthy of consideration. Any suggestions (as an aside) for a golf course for a serious golfer would be useful. We do like to eat well & in interesting places, but also have a desire to support the local establishments & enjoy the variety of foods that each region has to offer.
    Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow....
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 10:58:44 (permalink)
    OHHH Boy,
    I'd love to hear your reaction to Las Vegas now.!! The changes just since the mid-80's have been HUGE.
    I'll yield to the serious duffer's in the group as to which Course provides the best golf in the Vegas area.
    Please keep us informed as to how your plans develop I think you are in for a great Mid-Winter Vacation.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 14:36:25 (permalink)
    Thanks for the encouragement... We're staying at Harrah's when we arrive & Orleans before leaving in Las Vegas & going to see Mystere. Naturally - any other show that anyone thinks we shouldn't miss would be a plus. I try to avoid the partially naked dancing girls as I'm a Mom of 3 daughters, but not a prude otherwise. We'll definitely be skipping the oh-so big bucks Celine. I saw Siegfired & Roy in 1982, but think that the one show we've chosen will take care of the Carnival side of things. Wondering whether we should try musical or comedy... Hmmm...
    I've heard mixed reviews on whether or not to go to Laughlin.
    I don't golf at all so the duffer question is really a labor of love. Any replies should offer me an alternate to how I'll use the time that he's out on the course. I'm not the typical shopper-type, but do like to wander around...
    Any opinions on the Venetian in Vegas? (beyond the roadfood recommendation?)... Or other more interesting/non-glitzy places nearby...
    Thanks so much for your help - like having my own personal travel guides..
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 15:09:38 (permalink)
    I like Paris for breakfast buffet. They have a French-style bakery across the way that makes wonderful croissants and pastries. They're kind of pricy in the bakery, but included in the buffet. The best steak in town may be at Circus Circus, at 1/3 the price of places like Smith&Wollensky. The 3/4 pound hot dog next door at Slots-A-Fun smells so rank it will ruin your appetite for hours after.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 15:21:48 (permalink)
    Exactly the kind of direct info that I'm after... We are very early risers (always before sunrise even on weekends) & enjoy breakfast. I'm taking notes, so you can rest assured that I'll be travelling to everyone's recommended places, but will also let you know what we thought after we return. I've travelled extensively (Europe) & lived in Africa, so I'm a bit of wanderer. I'll do the tourist things, but also like to find the out of the way spots... Thanks.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 17:35:27 (permalink)
    OK, The 'crack a dawn' comment helps a lot. Hmmm. The first day will be on the road to Williams AZ, with Night #1 in Williams to prep for the train ride. Day 2 will include the train ride and the look along the Canyon and the return to Williams, then the short ride over to Flagstaff. Nite 2 would be in Flag. I would suggest that day 3 and day 4 be the following---(pick any two of the following day trips)

    1. A ride into Monument Valley in Northeastern AZ.Leave as early as possible- This includes a lot of driving, but in wide open spaces with few towns and almost zero traffic. North on U S 89 to US 160. East on 160 thru Tuba City (see Sterns book about the Truck stop there)- Gas up there to cover the empty spaces next leg of the ride- turn North on AZ-98 to Page and L. Powell then south on 89 back to Flagstaff. You will feel like you have ridden the old stagecoach across the desert, but you will have SEEN the AZ desert!! This is about a 325 mile circle with the last 60 miles being the same as the first...but a real circle would have to be at least another 100 miles and doesn't leave much stopping time.

    2. Sedona and the Jerome area- Take US 89A south from Flag to Sedona. Since it is a much shorter ride you have a little more latitude as to departure times... Several good breakfast places in Sedona, will look up the names and add to this later. Check the AAA Guide to Sedona. Then over to the old mining town of Jerome to lookaround there a bit, then back to Flag with a dinner stop in Sedona. Less than a 200 mile day with a lot more time to wander on foot in a more built up area.

    3. Another Nature day- shorter miles and almost all freeway. This one visits the Painted Desert and Petrified Forest National Park with a side trip to Meteor Crater if you want to . Head east on I-40 to Holbrook, Use U S 180 S E to the entrance to the Nat'l Park. do a one-way drive thru the Park returning to I-40 and then west back to Flagstaff. Stop on the return trip at the Crater ( several miles off the freeway) If you haven't seen the place, it is worth a stop...but if you'd rather get in a round of golf before dark skip it and head back to Flag in time to get in a fast 9 before dinner...a possibility for the Sedona Day also.

    Going back to Vegas you really only have two choices, the Utah round thru Zion leg I mentioned before ..and that is a VERY long day on the road to be sure... Or return thru Kingman and Hoover Dam or Kingman and Laughlin neither of which has much in the way of scenery. If you like the smaller casino style then going thru Laughlin is an ok side trip. We used to go there for a nice lunch and a day at the river. But I don't think it measures up compared to the other places you are visiting.

    One more thing to consider.. Perhaps doing the 2nd and 3rd option of the 3 suggestions I have given could meet your interests in the Flagstaff area, then do the 1st one (Page then Utah instead of Monument Valley) as the return ride to Vegas. Follow the directions in my earlier post.If you choose that it needs to be a real crack-a-dawn departure to be sure that you get pretty close to Vegas on the other end of the day before Dark. That last 80 miles after you roll out of the Virgin River Gorge into the desert is all high speed freeway and it doesn't matter much if it is dark there.
    Be Prepared for the 75 mile per hour speed limits that are ignored by everyone but Handicapped pedestrians.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 21:05:17 (permalink)
    You are being so helpful in organizing this whole thing. I believe that our reservations are in Flagstaff for the 3 days & I'm not sure what it would take to change them (hoteldiscounts.com). My current plan is to print out everyone's suggestions, try to put them into some sort of daily itinerary & go from there. Certainly road trips (after you've flown almost across the US) aren't the issue for us. We both love to drive & can navigate like pros. Your suggestions on when to gas up are invaluable with the big distances. The next thing I need to do is pull out the maps (when dear one isn't looking- still a surprise) & really study the whole picture. I've been to AAA & gotten my tourbooks & maps, so I think that it's coming together well. Thank you so much - keep the info coming until we've exhausted the Las Vegas/Grand Canyon well of knowledge.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/06 22:46:41 (permalink)
    Well, if you're going to be Flagstaff based for three days, I would heartily concur with the Mayor's suggestions for a side trip to Sedona and Jerome. We never made it to Jerome as we were mesmerized by Oak Creek Canyon and kept stopping for walks and to take in views. Sedona is only about 25 miles via the Oak Creek Canyon road (89a, I think). Before you get bogged down with Sedona's interesting shops, restaurants, and New Age diversions, get out to see what is really special about the place-the red rock formations.

    Go to Red Rock Crossing and see Cathedral Rock. And Bell Rock. The scenery on the road to Sedona Airport is stunning. There is a company that runs pink jeeps all over this country for up close sight seeing. I've heard good things about them from friends.

    A caveat about visiting the canyon in winter. Forget the North Rim, which is basically closed for winter. The main road will probably be closed to the public when you're there. Sometimes in winter, clouds can obscure any view of the canyon for days on end. It happens. So, once there, watch the weather reports closely for a clear day.

    If you're going to spend one day at the canyon, do leave Flagstaff early. We wanted to enjoy the autumn Aspens in the San Francisco Mountains, so we drove up to the Canyon via US 180 and 64. We returned from Desert View via 64 and 89, which allowed us to cross part of the Navajo Nation and see the Painted Desert and Sunset Crater. We did a loop from Flagstaff to the Canyon and back and were glad we did.

    Insofar as this site is principally about food, I'll say something about the subject. We thought the food (from the long time NP purveyor Fred Harvey) quite pedestrian at the GC restaurants (we dined in three places - two in Bright Angel Lodge - but not at the top drawer place in El Tovar Lodge). Dining was our one disappointment at the Canyon, but it wasn't too bad.

    There are many books about the Grand Canyon and I've read a few of them. But the best one of all, is the classic by Joseph Wood Krutch, The Grand Canyon. If you have a chance to read it before your visit, it will greatly enhance your experience.

    I don't know how much you can squeeze in, but the Mayor's suggestion about seeing Monument Valley merits strong consideration.

    I'd say, a lot of folks here are wishing you a splendid holiday. Have a good time.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 00:08:39 (permalink)
    I'm a middle-aged (oh how I hate the sound of that) midwestern golfer that spends 5-7 months a year working outside Las Vegas. I have played a number of the local courses and Las Vegas Paiute Golf Resort is by far my favorite. Second choice is The TPC Canyons. Your hotel can help with tee times and directions...the resort is about 15 miles northwest of downtown and TPC about 6 miles west.

    I play Paiute most every weekend that I'm in town and will probably be playing there in January. Enjoy!
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 07:01:42 (permalink)
    Sorry that we wandered off the food topic,but please know that where/what we eat is of importance to us. Are there any regional dishes that shouldn't be missed? We both especially love breakfast & he's a meat guy (always orders meat-lovers omelets at our favorite diners).
    Thank you so much for the golf info - guess I'll let him bring his precious clubs - so much for carry-on only! It'll make him happy, but what am I going to do for 1/2 a day???
    I'm printing your responses & will put them all in orderly fashion this afternoon while the boys are off watching the Patriots beat up the Dolphins in 18 inches of snow at Gillette Stadium.. Yup - the promised nor'easter materialized & I spent yesterday afternoon baking cookies for Christmas. Good thing about them being gone for 11 hours is more time to focus on organizing this trip.
    BTW - we're mid-40s, so guess that makes us middle-aged, too...When did that happen?
    Are there places along all of these roads where we should be eating or should we just hope for the best? Would hate to eat early breakfast in Vegas, begin driving & find no food until Flagstaff~
    Thanks again & good morning everyone...
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 09:48:38 (permalink)
    There really isn't that much between Vegas and Flag in the way of food, gas or anything else; no real regional specialties that I can think of. As for your free time while hubby's on the links, all the top-end casinos have spas. If he goes to the TPC, there is a nice little casino/spa next door. It changed hands a couple of years ago, and I don't know the name, but you can't miss it. It's the only casino in the area.
    BTW, most casino buffets open at 6:30 a.m.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 09:54:24 (permalink)
    I was wondering if our "early bird" status was going to give us any trouble. Thanks for the heads-up. I'm sure that I can occupy myself somehow. It looks like he'll have the Monday before our flight to golf. Since it's MLK birthday I may need to get an early tee time for him set up before leaving Massachusetts. I'm leaning towards your "favorite" as a first choice. He's got an 8.5 handicap (whatever that means). Will that be a good choice for him?
    I'm looking forward to this trip & any eateries on the journeys that have been suggested will be welcome.
    I wondered if Mexican/New Mexican food were something we should be looking for. Not much o'that in New England.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 10:22:25 (permalink)
    Mulb-
    There are towns along the way between Vegas and Flagstaff, but not in the spatial relationship you are accustomed to in Mass. Most folks deal in "travel-time" as opposed to miles when considering "how far to ----?" It is about 2 hours from Las Vegas down to Kingman. Kingman has a number of cafes and a ton of fast food. Not far east of Kingman on I-40 is a truck stop with an Iron Skillet located there. Nothing Special but for him large volumes of chicken-fried steak and eggs pretty cheap !!
    Seligman is a semi-ghost town next to the freeway on old Hiway 66. If you want to see what the 1920's on the road looked like hop off the freeway to see it and enjoy a snack at the cafe in town..the only cafe !!
    Are you going to Flagstaff before taking the train out of Williams? I figured you were stopping in Williams the first night, then going to Flag after seeing the canyon on the second day??? Either way watch for elk and deer on the road at dawn and dusk. They are on the move a lot !! More to follow--
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 10:55:34 (permalink)
    Vegas to Flagstaff on Thursday & train from Williams on Friday... I was trying to give us a travel day from NV to AZ & then the train (was thinking of the weather). Thurs, Fri, Sat nights in Flagstaff & then Sun. night in Vegas - all day Monday in Vegas (looks like golf in the a.m.) & then fly out late Monday night for dawn arrival in Boston on Tuesday. We have a show tickets on Sunday night for Mystere, but nothing else firmed up (besides flight, hotels, car, train & the one show). I'm printing & looking forward to some clear organization later this afternoon... Thanks again...
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 11:24:37 (permalink)
    Good outline- Smart move to be out of Vegas over the weekend when half of SoCal empties its pockets in the casinos. You will have time then on Thursday to Look at Kingman (Railroad Town) as you go thru. Don't get on the I-40 until you go thru town itself, rather than getting on the freeway on the west end of town. The station is a good example of the typical Santa Fe style. Another stop at Seligman for a look-see, then Williams to scout out where you will be the next morning. Total driving time Vegas to flag about 4 hours add in 2-3 hours in stops and you have an easy day's ride. It is less than an hour from Flag to Williams.
    Jim's comments about Sedona are welltaken. Be sure to leave time for Jerome ! It is a working town with a wealth of mining history. The whole day will be a great ride and lots to see and do.
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 11:42:59 (permalink)
    Did I happen to mention that one of my passions is depots/train stations? So much so that we took 3 of our kids on vacation to Nova Scotia to the Train Station Inn & stayed in the station itself... Tatamagouche, NS & nothing else worthy of noting in the area, but we did the over 2000 mile round trip drive in August. Cajoled the kids by offering PEI & the Anne of Green Gables story - worked with the girls, son not so interested... Thanks for the info re: the station "not to be missed"... Are there others?
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 12:18:05 (permalink)
    Kingman has a nice rail museum and display of a steamer as you come into town on U S 93. Worth some time to wander thru...then the station a few blocks away. Thats the same line that goes thru Flagstaff so expect to see some rail action (orange and green are the new colors of the BNSF and older red and silver -warbonnets- of the Santa Fe) The station in Flagstaff is a nice one to visit also. If you go out to the Painted desert/Petrified Forest Winslow has a classic station with Havey House next to it. They have talked for years of restoring passenger train service between SoCal and Vegas but it is still years away. AND do stop in Seligman on ur way the first day. It is a step into the past !
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 12:26:22 (permalink)
    I'm printing out the first 11 pages of this document & have the map open on the table. I've sent the intrepid football fans off to drive to Foxboro & will now do some serious organizing. I think that I may need to cut apart the individual suggestions & organize by place & then look at the daily itinerary. You've all added so much to this trip & I haven't left snowy Massachusetts... A good winter-weather diversion. I do need to figure out how it will lay out as I do want to utilize a daily schedule so that we maximize this mini-vacation. Who knows when we'll be returning to the Southwest... Looks like there's more to see than originally met the eye. Does anyone know of any restaurants located in train stations along the las vegas/flagstaff route? At the moment this trip is affectionately referred to as "Trains, Planes & Automobiles"... I've told David that we're going to Florida - I don't think he believes me... tee heee
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    RE: las vegas to flagstaff 2003/12/07 12:50:05 (permalink)
    ? for Al - I've got the recommendations that you made from the thread that starts with "OK, the 'crack a dawn" comment. I think that I would like to check out #2 & #3, but unsure how to do #1 as part of a return from Flagstaff to Las Vegas. Can you lay that out for me? I'm trying now to put things in terms of days & need to pull out the 2004 schedule to do it. I'm sure that I'll have more questions as the afternoon goes along. Thanks for your help.
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