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Scallion1
Cheeseburger
2005/08/20 14:28:22
Just a periodic update on the insanity of NYC.

One of my kids went to Pentop, the rooftop bar at the Peninsula Hotel on Fifth and 55th.

He was with two friends. Their consumption, in its entirety, was: two bottles of Bud, two bottles of Coors Light, and two vodka tonics.

The check, after tax but before tip: $99.00. I kid you not.

Not a bad profit margin when you can get $13.00 for a bottle of domestic beer and, I guess, about $17.00 for a cocktail.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 14:54:27
I take it they don't serve any short beers for a nickel a pop.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:17:08
I wouldn't blame this on NYC. Peninsula hotels ( http://www.peninsula.com/index.html ) are pretty much known to be among the best, but most expensive, in the world. You want a cheap beer? Go to a corner bar. That's where NYC should shine. Any big city has lots of cheap dives. NYC, being the biggest, should have the most.


The Pen-Top: does not look like a place I'd go for a cheap beer.
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:21:46
Jeez, and I never would have thought of that. I mean, how about a little understanding of irony or sarcasm?

Of course, the logic is faulty as well. Real estate prices and gentrification have all but eliminated the cheap bars of old in Manhattan. Newly-built penthouses, tacked on above old tenements on the Bowery, are being sold for $3 million.

Cheap beer: go to Costco, load up the fridge, and knock yourself out.

mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:27:45

Scallion,
Your last suggestion is just what I think I'll do next weekend. Only I will not only do Costco, but Jungle Jims as well. And may have more than the Fridge can hold, so the Garage fridge will get a capacity load as well. Now to find that 5 gallon wine box and a straw !!
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:30:40
quote:
Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen


Scallion,
Your last suggestion is just what I think I'll do next weekend. Only I will not only do Costco, but Jungle Jims as well. And may have more than the Fridge can hold, so the Garage fridge will get a capacity load as well. Now to find that 5 gallon wine box and a straw !!


Maybe you can find a cheddar-scented Flavor Straw.
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:32:17
quote:
Originally posted by BT

I wouldn't blame this on NYC. Peninsula hotels ( http://www.peninsula.com/index.html ) are pretty much known to be among the best, but most expensive, in the world. You want a cheap beer? Go to a corner bar. That's where NYC should shine. Any big city has lots of cheap dives. NYC, being the biggest, should have the most.


The Pen-Top: does not look like a place I'd go for a cheap beer.


Right. I wouldn't go there for a cheap beer, my kid wouldn't go there for a cheap beer, and neither of us would think about it being a place for a cheap beer. The POINT was that you'd EXPECT high prices at the Pentop, but that $13 for a bottle of Bud is just over the top.

Whew.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:33:15
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1

Jeez, and I never would have thought of that. I mean, how about a little understanding of irony or sarcasm?

Of course, the logic is faulty as well. Real estate prices and gentrification have all but eliminated the cheap bars of old in Manhattan. Newly-built penthouses, tacked on above old tenements on the Bowery, are being sold for $3 million.

Cheap beer: go to Costco, load up the fridge, and knock yourself out.




Or move to some other city. Here in SF, we've still got lots of cheap bars. Somehow, I bet NYC does too, though--maybe in Queens or Staten Island.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:35:44
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1

The POINT was that you'd EXPECT high prices at the Pentop, but that $13 for a bottle of Bud is just over the top.



I got the point. My point was I personally wouldn't have been surprised their prices would be "over the top".
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:37:13
quote:
Originally posted by BT

Originally posted by Scallion1

Jeez, and I never would have thought of that. I mean, how about a little understanding of irony or sarcasm?

Of course, the logic is faulty as well. Real estate prices and gentrification have all but eliminated the cheap bars of old in Manhattan. Newly-built penthouses, tacked on above old tenements on the Bowery, are being sold for $3 million.

Cheap beer: go to Costco, load up the fridge, and knock yourself out.




Or move to some other city. Here in SF, we've still got lots of cheap bars. Somehow, I bet NYC does too, though--maybe in Queens or Staten Island.
[/quote

Thanks. I'm born and raised here, but next time I want to know something, I'll be sure to ask someone from San Francisco.

I'm sorry I even started this thread.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 15:53:53

Relax,
Sit down here and pop the top on that Costcutter generic beer. Yeah it's warm, but what the heck, the heat will kill the yeast growing in it !!
Better yet,
Knob Creek and Mountain Dew, anyone? For $99.00 including Tax but not tip, I'll send along a 5th of Kentucky's finest and a case of Dew. That should last an evening for 3 young city boys !
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 16:04:27
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1



Thanks. I'm born and raised here, but next time I want to know something, I'll be sure to ask someone from San Francisco.

I'm sorry I even started this thread.


Last time I was in New York a couple years ago, I met a lot of friendly people. It surprised me because, of course, NYC has a reputation and I have not-so-friendly personal memories from decades ago. Now I am being reminded of what Jerry Ford had in mind.

What, exactly, has got your knickers in such a twist? Talk about being humor and irony challenged . . . .
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 16:27:35
quote:
Originally posted by BT

quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1



Thanks. I'm born and raised here, but next time I want to know something, I'll be sure to ask someone from San Francisco.

I'm sorry I even started this thread.


Last time I was in New York a couple years ago, I met a lot of friendly people. It surprised me because, of course, NYC has a reputation and I have not-so-friendly personal memories from decades ago. Now I am being reminded of what Jerry Ford had in mind.

What, exactly, has got your knickers in such a twist? Talk about being humor and irony challenged . . . .


Maybe when your frame of reference is Jerry Ford, it's natural to have problems understanding the nuances of language.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 16:42:53
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1



Maybe when your frame of reference is Jerry Ford, it's natural to have problems understanding the nuances of language.


I think this thread needs CPR. It's author has nothing to add but simple-minded personal attack, so I'll simply ask him what sort of response he (or she--I haven't checked) would have preferred from us peasants in the provinces (or aren't we allowed to participate in the NYC discussions?).

I'll also ask any other New Yorker's looking in: Is he right? No place left but CostCo to get a cheap beer in NYC?
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 16:57:33
1. It's got nothing to do with the provinces, and SF is my favorite American city after my home town.

2. I never said that Costco was the only place to get cheap beer.

3. I never said that my son went to Pentop expecting it to be cheap. He's probably been around the restaurants and watering holes of NYC as much as anyone his age. And the money isn't a problem. He dropped $400 the night before at an Italian restaurant.

4. That's my point. See if you can understand it. KNOWING that Pentop would be ridiculously expensive, but having gone there because it's near his office, he STILL was surprised. You can get a bottle of Bud for $7 or $8 almost anywhere in Manhattan. But KNOWING that it would be expensive, he was surprised to see that it cost almost twice as much as he thought it might be. He didn't care, it was just a curiousity.

5. I'm done. Babble on if you wish.
tiki
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 16:58:20
4 beers and two drinks for $99! only one possible explansion for that--GREED and a feeling of superiority and any bar ANYWHERE that thinks that price is fair for THAT product is sufferring from delusions of granduer! On the other hand---what ever posssed them to order Bud or worse yet-COORS!!?? in a place like that--if im gonna get screwed on the bar tab the least i could do is drink a fine rare single malt!
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:08:31

I will interrupt the flaming to point out that Costco beer is not necessairly a bargain priced item. WalMart beats them hands down on 90% or better of their Beer prices. Now wine is a different matter.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:13:58
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1

SF is my favorite American city after my home town.


Then you have better taste than I suspected

quote:
my son went to Pentop expecting it to be cheap. He's probably been around the restaurants and watering holes of NYC as much as anyone his age. And the money isn't a problem. He dropped $400 the night before at an Italian restaurant.


Ah! An affluent son is a blessing.

quote:
4. That's my point. See if you can understand it. KNOWING that Pentop would be ridiculously expensive, but having gone there because it's near his office, he STILL was surprised.


I'll try. Really, I will. It's difficult, but I will.

quote:
5. I'm done. Babble on if you wish.


Thanks. With your permission then . . . .
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:16:48
quote:
Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen


I will interrupt the flaming to point out that Costco beer is not necessairly a bargain priced item. WalMart beats them hands down on 90% or better of their Beer prices. Now wine is a different matter.



Having been given permission to speak, I'll add that I recently read that Wal-Mart is in talks with Diageo (world's largest booze maker) to greatly expand their offerings in the alcohol department. They see it as a new profit center.
Grillmeister
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:31:13
That's good because my little neck of the woods just voted to go "wet". Ah, the last vestiges of Prohibition are being washed away in a proverbial flood of alcohol!!!
Ort. Carlton.
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:33:24
Dearfolk,
Now - in reply to the topic verbatim - I remember clearly buying Zodiac Malt Liquor for $1.29 a six pack or $5.29 a case in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Never mind that Peter Hand Brewing Co. in Chicago which made it had closed the previous year... it was drinkable and didn't give me or anyone else any serious (ahem) gastric repercussions.
I've seen some 99-cent gas station beer bargains over the years; the worst of those was something named Germam (no typo) Beer from Auburndale, Florida. It tasted like it was brewed with recycled alligator you-know-what. That turned up in clear bottles in a gas station in Macon, Georgia, circa 1980.
Recently enough,though, in September, 2001, I pulled off the interstate in the anthracite region of Pennsylvania to hunt down a cold Yuengling on draft. Just the proper place showed up in Mahanoy City, Pennsylvania. As an outlander, the first two glasses (about 8-ounce pilsner glasses) were on the two locals I met; I bought the third round. Imagine my surprise when I plopped three dollar bills on the counter only to have the bartender shove one back at me and go over to the period National cash register and ka-jing the sale in. She trundled back and laid 95 cents on the counter.
"This can't be right," I entreated.
"Draft Yuengling is 35 cents," she assured me.
One of my spies has returned to the place. Inflation has struck Mahanoy City. My compatriot - who hails from West Hazleton - visited that bar a few weeks ago.
Draft Yuengling was up to 40 cents. And the bartender apologized about it. As had happened with me, the locals were friendly and bought several; my spy told me he simply handed her a fiver, drank quite a few, went down the street for a sandwich, and enjoyed every minute.
The cheapest good beer here in Athens is $ 2.25 house pints at happy hour at Copper Creek Brewing. Think I'll go have one in a few minutes; this thread is getting me thirsty....
Alementarily, Ort. Carlton in On-Draught Athens, Georgia.
Grillmeister
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:43:04

What about Genessee Beer? Is it still around? We used to get that when visiting cousins in Ohio. I recall it being a pretty cheap buzz.
I always thought the little northern towns that had local beers with guttural and snarling sounding names had the most interesting suds.....
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:48:05
quote:
Originally posted by Grillmeister

That's good because my little neck of the woods just voted to go "wet". Ah, the last vestiges of Prohibition are being washed away in a proverbial flood of alcohol!!!


Here's the article: http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB112423815050715079,00.html
berndog
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 17:57:45
Grillmeister, the Genesee Brewery changed hands in a management buyout several years ago. It is now known as High Falls Brewing Co. and they still make many of the well known Gennie products in addition to several upscale, but reasonable priced brews like Michael Shea's Irish Amber and JW Dundee's Honey Brown.

As for comments on the original posting, I agree with Scallion, the prices seem quite high for even NYC. I would have been shocked to get a bill like this for four beers and two cocktails. If I were drinking at the bar and no cocktail waitress was involved, my thoughts on any tip would have been "fuggetaboudit !!!"
Mosca
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 19:29:26
Ort, which bar in Mahanoy? I'm a couple minutes up the road in Mountain Top. Who's the spy, and do you know a singer/songwriter named Greg Williams?


Tom
Mosca
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 19:31:41
Oh; and someome referenced Jerry ford, ferchrissakes. Whip Inflation Now.


Tom
ken8038
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 19:57:19
I agree that even for NYC, $13 for a bottle of Bud is over the Top. But to paraphrase Calvin Trillin, any time you eat or drink at a restaurant at the Top of any building you are going to get overpriced drinks and mediocre food while you have a view of people drinking overpriced drinks and eating mediocre food at restaurants at the tops of other buildings.

As for cheap drinks/beer in NY City, sure there are plenty of places still around. One of my favorites is Rudy's at 44th and 9th Ave. The special usually is $2 pints of beer and (get this..) $2 pints of Wine!

Let's see, at $99 for 6 people, the group could have had about 8 drinks apiece. ---Ken
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/20 23:59:42
quote:
Originally posted by Mosca

Oh; and someome referenced Jerry ford, ferchrissakes. Whip Inflation Now.


Tom


There reference was to the following episode:

quote:
When New York City fell into dire financial straits, Ford was unmoved. A now-famous headline in the New York Daily News--ford to city: drop dead-- helped underscore his apparent insensitivity to the national significance of the city's plight.


But we have now moved beyond that in this thread and I'm glad. Personally, I {{heart}} New York.

Can't anybody besides Ken recommend a place to get a cheap drink there (and thanks, Ken, for your effort)? There are, what, 7 million or so of you? There must be a few more alcoholics.
Zman
Hamburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 04:34:04
WOW! roadfooders being disrespective to each other ... who woud've thunk it?
I was offered a job on Long Island NY. doing DDC (direct digital control) for $68.54 per hour. After visiting for 5 days with LLEECHEF,I turned the job down. Housing and everyday expenses were SO high that I would actually be making the SAME salary MINUS the mountains,the scenery,the cool summers, and taking roadfood friends out in Prince William Sound on fishin' missions.
In short, ..... furgetaboutit!!!
Alaska ROCKS!
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 07:38:49

Wise Decision, Zzzzz. Plus you have a nearby Costco, so cheap beer is within reach!
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 10:07:00
Originally posted by Scallion1

1. It's got nothing to do with the provinces, and SF is my favorite American city after my home town.

2. I never said that Costco was the only place to get cheap beer.

3. I never said that my son went to Pentop expecting it to be cheap. He's probably been around the restaurants and watering holes of NYC as much as anyone his age. And the money isn't a problem. He dropped $400 the night before at an Italian restaurant.

4. That's my point. See if you can understand it. KNOWING that Pentop would be ridiculously expensive, but having gone there because it's near his office, he STILL was surprised. You can get a bottle of Bud for $7 or $8 almost anywhere in Manhattan. But KNOWING that it would be expensive, he was surprised to see that it cost almost twice as much as he thought it might be. He didn't care, it was just a curiousity.

5. I'm done. Babble on if you wish.

If bad beer is that expensive, how much is good beer, a micro brew or import? Something drinkable, in other words.....
Jeez, for $99.00, you should be able to have Joe Coors atop a Clydesdale greet you up on the roof.
zataar
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 10:26:25
Here in the boondocks of Kansas City we have many places proud to charge you $10.00 for a glass of Kendall Jackson Chardonnay. It is becoming more common to see $6 or $7 for a beer. And believe me, KC is not exactly "cosmopolitan." We do have cheap bars and lots of them, but a great cheap bar is Harry's Country Club, $2.25 can of PBR and very good bar food. You can get good beer T-Shirts as well.

http://www.kansascitymenus.com/harryscountryclub/
Adjudicator
Sirloin
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 10:50:50
$2.25 for a can of PBR??? I wouldn't pay 50 cents for that... I don't know about anyone else, but the max. I have ever paid for ANY beer at ANY establishment was $3.00, and that was for some premium Czech lager. To he_l with restaurant ambiance, I say.

1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 10:59:42
We're at $.90 for a glass of PBR, (what is today's youth thinkin'?). Our local and regional micros go about $2.00 per glass, $3.00 per pint. Some of 'em are only available on tap, so you have to go the ambiance route.
dreamzpainter
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 12:07:26
quote:
Originally posted by ken8038

I agree that even for NYC, $13 for a bottle of Bud is over the Top. But to paraphrase Calvin Trillin, any time you eat or drink at a restaurant at the Top of any building you are going to get overpriced drinks and mediocre food while you have a view of people drinking overpriced drinks and eating mediocre food at restaurants at the tops of other buildings.
I bet they make ya wear a jacket AND SHOES as well!!
Ort. Carlton.
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 16:18:20
quote:
Originally posted by Mosca
Ort, which bar in Mahanoy? I'm a couple minutes up the road in Mountain Top. Who's the spy, and do you know a singer/songwriter named Greg Williams?
Tom


Mosca,
Wow! I had no idea that you were so close! - I could write a great American novel in Mahanoy City, and just might attempt it.
Here's your directions. Get off the interstate and head downhill into M. City. It's like 4 blocks down on the left, on the SW corner of an intersection - the place with fake stone on the front in a rowhouse. Got an old Yuengling neon in the window. If you get downtown, you've gone too far. Nor is it the place with the wondrous Slavic home cooking - this place doesn't have a functional kitchen.
Conversely,if you're coming from the northside, turn toward the interstate and it's 3 or 4 blocks past downtown on your right.
Greg Williams I don't know, but famous session bassist Freebo is from Mahanoy City: his mother still lives there. When he comes back to visit, which is reportedly fairly often, he is in one or another of the taverns there, kicking back with his old friends.
Now - do you know about the place that serves Serbian-style pizza? - Gracious, I'll have to refind the notes I took and get back to you.
Curiously, Ort. Carlton in Athens, Georgia.
P. S. Does anyone thereabouts still have a working Kaier's neon? I'd love to photograph one. I'd also love to find a Kaier's opener, but surely one will pop up in some flea market in that vicinity.
zataar
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 16:31:11
quote:
Originally posted by Adjudicator

$2.25 for a can of PBR??? I wouldn't pay 50 cents for that... I don't know about anyone else, but the max. I have ever paid for ANY beer at ANY establishment was $3.00, and that was for some premium Czech lager. To he_l with restaurant ambiance, I say.




My husband echos your sentiment! I myself very seldom ever drink beer. I may share a bottle of Boulevard Pale Ale, but I can't finish a whole one myself. And I have never paid 10 bucks for a glass of wine in a restaurant or bar. I am what used to be known as a cheap date.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 16:34:44
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1

Jeez, and I never would have thought of that. I mean, how about a little understanding of irony or sarcasm?

Of course, the logic is faulty as well. Real estate prices and gentrification have all but eliminated the cheap bars of old in Manhattan. Newly-built penthouses, tacked on above old tenements on the Bowery, are being sold for $3 million.

Cheap beer: go to Costco, load up the fridge, and knock yourself out.



Are you saying they closed the bar in the Dixie?
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 16:53:29
The Dixie?
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 17:10:12
The Dixie was (is?) on West 43rd. At one time it was a very nice place, but by the 1950 and 60s it had deteriorated somewhat. The bar in the Dixie was the sort of place where you ordered your beer without a glass in order to avoid possible social disease contraction. The place came with hot and cold running hookers. And it was infamous for the assisted suicide of a "wiseguy" who apparently decided to fly away one night and discovered that the acquaintance who launched him on the flight from his hotel room forgot to connect the needed wings.

Oh, and the beer was cheap.
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/21 17:43:57
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

The Dixie was (is?) on West 43rd. At one time it was a very nice place, but by the 1950 and 60s it had deteriorated somewhat. The bar in the Dixie was the sort of place where you ordered your beer without a glass in order to avoid possible social disease contraction. The place came with hot and cold running hookers. And it was infamous for the assisted suicide of a "wiseguy" who apparently decided to fly away one night and discovered that the acquaintance who launched him on the flight from his hotel room forgot to connect the needed wings.

Oh, and the beer was cheap.


Ah yes, the Hotel Dixie. I don't know that I was ever in the bar there; of course, I can't swear that I wasn't.

Nah, Times Square is the legal/financial/accounting center of the world now, and the dives have given way to ESPN Sportzone, Starbucks,
McD's, and there's probably an odious Olive Garden around somewhere. The poolhall I used to play in on Broadway and 52nd is now a Novotel (and the old Julien's, the famous poolhall on 14th Street, is now an NYU dorm).
Copperhedzkettle
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 16:06:50
I was always under the impression that alcohol sales cover the food cost. I do not, as a rule, frequent dining holes that do not offer mixed drinks. I find the food is wonderful for much less, and if I am low on funds I arrive with the buzz already on and then just have "one". Sip it and make it last.......

CK
Alcohol License = Killer Food.
johns72604
Hamburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 17:01:35
i live in New York, and am pretty broke most of the time, so i have to drik crappy beers that cost what good beers should cost. But i my own defense, I like to stick to idea that "Shafer is the one to have when you are having more than one" and for $2 a pop i am OK with that. You have to make sacfices to live here "before" you start making the big bucks.
fablerox
Junior Burger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 17:20:30
Try McSorleys in the East Village. You have to buy two beers at once and they don't serve any other alcohol. But it's cheap.

By the way, the Peninsula serves a very elegant tea- I take my daughter there every year for her birthday. And a wonderful green apple martini. But, not exactly Roadfood.
Mosca
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 17:22:18
quote:
Originally posted by Ort. Carlton.

quote:
Originally posted by Mosca
Ort, which bar in Mahanoy? I'm a couple minutes up the road in Mountain Top. Who's the spy, and do you know a singer/songwriter named Greg Williams?
Tom


Mosca,
Wow! I had no idea that you were so close! - I could write a great American novel in Mahanoy City, and just might attempt it.
Here's your directions. Get off the interstate and head downhill into M. City. It's like 4 blocks down on the left, on the SW corner of an intersection - the place with fake stone on the front in a rowhouse. Got an old Yuengling neon in the window. If you get downtown, you've gone too far. Nor is it the place with the wondrous Slavic home cooking - this place doesn't have a functional kitchen.
Conversely,if you're coming from the northside, turn toward the interstate and it's 3 or 4 blocks past downtown on your right.
Greg Williams I don't know, but famous session bassist Freebo is from Mahanoy City: his mother still lives there. When he comes back to visit, which is reportedly fairly often, he is in one or another of the taverns there, kicking back with his old friends.
Now - do you know about the place that serves Serbian-style pizza? - Gracious, I'll have to refind the notes I took and get back to you.
Curiously, Ort. Carlton in Athens, Georgia.
P. S. Does anyone thereabouts still have a working Kaier's neon? I'd love to photograph one. I'd also love to find a Kaier's opener, but surely one will pop up in some flea market in that vicinity.



I didn't know Freebo was from Mahanoy! Wow.

I'll check out the inns next time I'm down that way. I worked in Hazleton for 14 years, but now I'm up north of Scranton, tasting the goodness of Wyoming County. There is a bakery here, Gables', that make OUTSTANDING sticky buns.

Greg Williams is from Savannah, GA; http://www.gregwilliams.com/Home.htm

I know him in a round about way, through online gaming. I'm not friendly with him, actually the opposite; I don't care for him much. I thought maybe you would know who he is. I don't care for his music either, he's one of those "just not quite talented enough" guys that populate America.


Tom

Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 17:25:33
quote:
Originally posted by Copperhedzkettle

I was always under the impression that alcohol sales cover the food cost. I do not, as a rule, frequent dining holes that do not offer mixed drinks. I find the food is wonderful for much less, and if I am low on funds I arrive with the buzz already on and then just have "one". Sip it and make it last.......

CK
Alcohol License = Killer Food.



You're laboring under a totally inaccurate assumption. They both have to make money.
You must be a wonderful dinner companion; show up toasted and nurse a drink for the rest of the night? Now you know why places like the Peninsula charge so much (although their particular price structure is crazy): to keep people like you out.
Copperhedzkettle
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 17:39:12
quote:
Originally posted by Scallion1

quote:
Originally posted by Copperhedzkettle

I was always under the impression that alcohol sales cover the food cost. I do not, as a rule, frequent dining holes that do not offer mixed drinks. I find the food is wonderful for much less, and if I am low on funds I arrive with the buzz already on and then just have "one". Sip it and make it last.......

CK
Alcohol License = Killer Food.



You're laboring under a totally inaccurate assumption. They both have to make money.
You must be a wonderful dinner companion; show up toasted and nurse a drink for the rest of the night? Now you know why places like the Peninsula charge so much (although their particular price structure is crazy): to keep people like you out.

Since you brought it up, I am a wonderful dinner companion
hardy har Rascallion
CK
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/22 18:09:41
Q.E.D.

I rest my case.
bassrocker4u2
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/23 08:22:19
some great points in this thread, no, really...
its obvious that there are some places that cater to the rich and famous, and they explode their prices to keep out the costco/walmart going riff raff. simple as that. thats their goal and point.
you gotta pay to play with the rich....
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/23 08:50:13
rocker, how's the sale coming?
Fieldthistle
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 06:38:38
Hello all,
bassrocker4u2 is right. In the 70's and 80's our little city grew due to the growth of the local university. We had plenty of downtown bars. You had bars for locals and bars for the college crowd, but all beer was cheap. Happy hour was 25 cents for draft, 75 cent pitchers, and 50 cent draft and 1.00 pitcher at regular times. The city fathers saw that too many people were having fun, and also urinating in dark corners, and there was a crack down. Every hour cops would cruise the bars, counting people for fire codes, waiting outside parking decks and parking lots to give drunk in public or driving under influence tickets left and right. And then the bars where the cops wouldn't go to, like the Sheraton Hotel bar or Holiday Inn's, began to demand high cover charges just to get in, even when there was no entertainment, and also began charging $3.00 for a glass beer, $1.50 for a draft. Soon everyone was charging the same prices and they rose over time. Most of the downtown bars closed as businesses deserted the old city for strip malls and one big covered malls on the fringes of the city. The city lost its soul as outside chains, including bar chains, took over, and while college kids could afford the bar chains, most locals lost any friendly haunt to find solace in. Our downtown is experiencing a rebirth now, but the bars are too expensive for local riff raff and too trendy looking to express a local flavor. They serve great products, but are sterile when it comes to making locals feel at home. The cost of being a college town, I guess, and excellent for wealthy tourists. Harrisonburg, Va.
V960
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 07:37:48
Bassrocker got it more right than anyone else. Just like Charlie Trotters in Chicago and numerous other places the pricing is a gentle way of keeping the riff raff out or parents w/ kids or senior citizens...whatever. Sure the real estate prices in NYC are high but another item that occured to me...no menus? Or did they plop their butts down in a white table cloth place w/ an awesome view and not ask pricing before they ordered?

Well at least they got the message and won't be back. I won't either because their food is only so-so.
fablerox
Junior Burger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 08:56:42
Just an aside, but the two Costcos in Connecticut that I go to do not sell beer.
tamandmik
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 09:14:00
quote:
Originally posted by fablerox

Just an aside, but the two Costcos in Connecticut that I go to do not sell beer.


Connecticut probably has the highest prohibitionist mentality of any state in the country, besides possibly Pennsylvania. Conversely, here in New Mexico, you can buy just about any form of booze imaginable, at just about any type of outlet that sells food. I think I like my state more than your state
Scallion1
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 09:47:39
Another, somewhat related, note: the aforementioned son took a business associate to Jean-Georges for lunch this week. This is one of the top-rated restaurants in the city, and very pricey. But he goes there for the $20.02 prix fixe lunch, something that a lot of the better restaurants do. I've eaten there a few times, and it's great; limited choices, of course, but the opportunity to sample food from a kitchen of that caliber for twenty bucks is, to me, almost irresistible.

The point is, we were talking about it last night, and he said that the only thing he disliked was that people walked in (and were seated!!!) dressed as if they were going to Burger King: shorts, flip-flops, tshirts. We saw the same thing at 'Cesca, an esteemed and wonderful Italian place on the Upper West Side last week, some hoople in sandals and surfer shorts. It definitely detracts from my enjoyment of the experience.

I know there was a long, acrimonious thread about this elsewhere, and I have no desire to rekindle those flames. I have nothing whatever to say to anyone who thinks it's okay to walk into a three-star restaurant wearing a baseball cap and shorts. To me, there's absolutely no argument that can be made to justify this rudeness.

But you can see that even in first-class restaurants in Manhattan, the price doesn't deter the yahoos. And before anyone jumps on this, I'm not saying that these people are out-of-towners; they're just rude, poorly-raised, ignorant folks who should be eating someplace else.

Special Note to BT: I wonder what it's like in San Francisco; when I used to travel there more often, I always felt that your fellow citizens dressed more formally than people from any other city, NYC included. I have distinct recollections from back in the late '60s of women walking through Union Square wearing white gloves and elegant hats. Alas, I'm sure this has gone the way of buttonhooks.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 13:18:41
Dear scallion: The local papers contain lots of nostalgia about the way people used to dress up to go to Union Square or wherever, but I think first the hippy era ('60's) and more recently the dot-com era killed all that. First of all, in that area now probably 75% of everybody you will see out and about is a tourist from somewhere else (often, Europe) and they dress however they consider appropriate, knowing nothing about local customs. Second, since the two invasions I mentioned above, SF has been swamped in 20-somethings from elsewhere and they dress very informally ("cargo" shorts and ballcaps are popular). Finally, SF has just gone more informal over the years. Where I am both fascinated and a little bit saddened is at haute culture events like the symphony, opera and ballet. Sometimes I like to wear a tux to these places just because I like to do it, but you'll see every level of informality (and formality--sometimes I still see people in white tie/tails) now and may end up seated beside a couple in full motorcycle leathers. Expensive restaurants do tend to be an exception just because almost all the patrons will be either business people on expense accounts or people celebrating something, but I don't know of anyplace here that still has a formal dress code and would toss you out if you arrived dressed informally. They are more likely to toss you out because they are full and you have no reservation.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 16:25:59
Some will find this difficult to believe while others will nod and say, sure. In 1965 women were still wearing hats and gloves while shopping in downtown Charleston, West Virginia. It was delightful.
jojobeans
Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/24 21:55:21
I lived in Shenandoah Junction which is just up the road. I left to live in Florida in 2003, when returning for a visit in 2005 I was shocked by the growth" /> it has turned into another bedroom comunity of Washington, DC., WHY
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

Some will find this difficult to believe while others will nod and say, sure. In 1965 women were still wearing hats and gloves while shopping in downtown Charleston, West Virginia. It was delightful.
V960
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/25 12:24:47
The great unwashed should not be permitted to sit much less dine w/ the well dressed. My closet is full of Hickey Freemans and others of that ilk. That shorts and the like were allowed at Pentop would piss me off much more than the bill.

Send your son to Hatsuhana at 48th and Mad...ask to be seated at Seki-San's station. Best sushi in America.
BT
Filet Mignon
RE: Cheap beer 2005/08/25 12:54:57
My closet is full of bespoke suits that I had made during various trips to the far east and haven't worn now in a decade or more. My biggest "issue" vis a vis the suits is whether to give them to Goodwill since I'm delighted to say I hope never to wear them again and couldn't anyway since I've "expanded" since retirement. I did buy a new tux a couple of years ago since I wear that mostly for recreational outings (opera and such) but I'm starting to outgrow it too. I simply love the fact that I can dress very casually because I'm going to be doing something casual. Last year, when I went to New Orleans, I had to buy a tie and drag along my Orvis "travel blazer" because I figured I'd be eating at Galatoire's and they prefer their clientel to wear a tie (whether or not they require it--we've debated that here before).
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