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wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 12:30 PM
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I was just curious what the folks on here think of hiring wait staff with facial pericings?please respond!

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 12:42 PM
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I don't think I've been to a restaurant south of 14th street in NY in the past 10 years where my waitperson DIDN'T have all kinds of piercings.

I don't personally find it appealing, but it doesn't bother me in the least if a restaurant worker is pierced. It's the way of the world (well, at least in some places) at this particular moment.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 12:47 PM
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I personally do not prefer to see folks with lots of tatto's and piercing. That being aside, the younger set is changing and I find that more and more of the folks are doing this.

I recently was in a industry (medical) and we hired a lot of folks between 18-25. If our criterior was "no piercing or tatto's", we would not have been able to hire many people. Young folks with excessive and disruptive decoration were carefully rejected. Excessive decoration was a little difficult to quanify.

Paul E. Smith
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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 12:52 PM
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Hello All,
How many people aren't hired because of gray hair or wrinkles?
Wrinkles are nature's tatto's.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 1:01 PM
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Originally posted by Fieldthistle

Hello All,
How many people aren't hired because of gray hair or wrinkles?
Wrinkles are nature's tatto's.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle


Nonsense. Wrinkles and gray hair are not a choice. They happen, if you're mature enough to allow them. Tattoos and piercings are a choice -- a choice to say "Look at me! I'm really weird!"

I personally am repulsed by waitstaff and other customer service people who have so mutilated themselves with piercings and tattoos. If they are at the register at a store I frequent, I will wait to make my purchase some other time.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 1:02 PM
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I don't mind them in a seafood type place. I just figure they were catching the fish of the day and got the lures stuck in their face. And the guy with all the tatoos he was the skipper of the boat. Chow Jim

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 1:13 PM
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I'm 48 and have a pierced ear.Many years ago i did this.Not really into women with tramp stamps.I have a 21 y/o coworker that has a post through his lip.He's planning on becoming a police officer.Great kid!

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 1:16 PM
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Hello All,
jmckee, sorry, I think I didn't make myself clear.
We are expected to accept tattos and piercings, but discriminate against gray hair and wrinkles.
My point was that we discriminate against those who have no choice over what is happening because of ageing.
One of my biggest joys is educating the young guys I work with because I am ageing. I can do my job and also teach them a thing or two. I, also, have learnt a thing or two from the pieced and
tattoed. Talent is within, not external, and time will show talent and a willing spirit to learn.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 1:33 PM
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Originally posted by jmckee
Tattoos and piercings are a choice -- a choice to say "Look at me! I'm really weird!"


These things are "weird" because you don't like them? Talk about nonsense.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 2:03 PM
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I would say that people with tattoos and body piercings ARE saying, "Look at me!" If I ever do get that tattoo I've been putting off, I certainly will be saying, "Look at this. Howd'ya like the art?"

The weird part is not always true, but I know some teenagers who follow that credo.

It is hard to quantify, but almost everyone knows when a person is excessive. When working face to face with customers, a dress/appearance code is necessary.

I'd say it all depends on your clientel, but a few piercings and tattoos should be fine.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 2:26 PM
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This is a good one. It seems to me you have to look at this strictly from a customers standpoint. I go to many places, resturants, truckstops, hole in the wall pizza shops, you name it. Whenever you are in a resturant where a waitress or waiter is a," walking lightning rod", you can see the look on the other customers faces that they are not impressed with the waiters"art". I have been to many places where the customers are served by someone like that, and a soon as they walk away they are shaking they're heads. Not good business sense. Now on the opposite side of the coin, if a waiter or waitress has a couple of tasteful tattoos that can be covered during they're working hours that should not be a problem. If younger people wish to stick out with they're perceived,"look at me", apparatus, that is they're choice. But sooner or later these same people are going to have to make a decision on what means more to them, they're jobs and making a living, or they're alleged art. I know alot of the younger set. One thing I know is that eventually they get rid of the peircings and they realize it for what it was. Then they join society roll up they're sleeves and get to work. Art vs. sustainance? Which one wins. All I really know is that I refuse to be served by some kid with an infected nose stud.
JMHO

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 2:29 PM
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Oh by the way, I would rather be served by a senior citizen any day of the week. Gray hair and wrinkles are fine by me. Remeber we are ALL going to be that way one day. God bless our seasoned citizens what would life be like without them.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 2:48 PM
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Originally posted by jeepguy

I'm 48 and have a pierced ear.Many years ago i did this.Not really into women with tramp stamps.I have a 21 y/o coworker that has a post through his lip.He's planning on becoming a police officer.Great kid!


Yeah,but your earlobe with the hole in it probably came from one of your fans who got their hands on a spear!

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 2:56 PM
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Hello All,
I have long hair. I have not gotten many jobs because of my hair. (I am male)
It always p-ssed me off. I chose the price and wished society would change.
I keep my hair long now at the age of 50, but understand that some people just
won't accept me. I believe that external judging is wrong, but it is a reality.
So if I were a businessperson I would temper my judgment on reality. A college
bar can accept anything, but a family restaurant with a goth, pierced, tatto waitstaff
makes no sense. We create our ghettoes. If you don't believe in ghettoes, then
change your perceptions. Unfortunately, it is easier to make bad changes than good
ones. Then, there is the problem of what is good and what is bad.
The "good" people will try to reform the "bad" or "less fortunate", and the "bad" or
"less fortunate" will be be reformed to A POINT. Some people just have a different
identity and point of view, and use their bodies to show it. Some are just drifters,
momentary rebels, floating until they find themselves. Some are just the good people
who fit into the system. The thing is, we all have to fit into the system, and the system
MUST fit all of us. It's a hard dream to dream, but we are living a vision of God, always in
the state of confusion because we are human. Because we are human, we must find a place to
fit all of us.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 3:09 PM
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Doesn't bother me at all pierced or tat's none of that stuff does...we all have a right to express ourselves and if that is how it is chosen to be done so be it.

I myself have tat's and pierced eyebrow and ears you can either accept me or not won't hurt my feelings none.

My sister has gotten turned down for many jobs because she has many peircings and wears dreds and has tat's even though she is a fantastic person and a hard worker I do agree you should look nice but you shouldn't lose your independence because of it.

Does that all make sense? LOL

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 3:22 PM
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Originally posted by Leania_1stone

Doesn't bother me at all pierced or tat's none of that stuff does...we all have a right to express ourselves and if that is how it is chosen to be done so be it.

I myself have tat's and pierced eyebrow and ears you can either accept me or not won't hurt my feelings none.

My sister has gotten turned down for many jobs because she has many peircings and wears dreds and has tat's even though she is a fantastic person and a hard worker I do agree you should look nice but you shouldn't lose your independence because of it.

Does that all make sense? LOL


no.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 3:32 PM
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Originally posted by Fieldthistle

Hello All,
I have long hair. I have not gotten many jobs because of my hair. (I am male)
It always p-ssed me off. I chose the price and wished society would change.


When I started reading this, I immediately thought of how many people who are against this now were the same people who were told to cut their hair in the '60's.

The key is to know the environment and know what is and is not professional. Is IBM going to hire someone with their eyebrow pierced and a bar through their tongue? Probably not, but Microsoft will. I met their campus recruiter a few years ago -- tattoos, piercings and blue (not that kind!) hair. She did her job really well, and related to the people that she needed to relate to.

If a server in a restaurant has an excessive amount of piercings and tattoos, and you are offended by this, chances are that you are not in their target demographic.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 4:08 PM
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field,
you make a good point as all your posts do.
jack

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 4:46 PM
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If he/she could clearly announce the specials without any impedence by the tongue studs, I can't see a problem. pb

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 4:58 PM
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EVEN THOUGH, I have 3 tattoos(all in "covered" places, unless I chose to show them), and 4 each holes in each of my ears, I can't really look at the nose, lip, eyebrow piercings(all being the "bar" type), it just hurts me, especially the nose area. And as silly as it may seem, I wonder how they blow their nose....it just kinda turns me off.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 5:06 PM
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I'm sorry, but we are both offended when our wait person has piercing of the lip, nose, or tongue. Ears are fine but we have a problem getting past the others.

Dennis in Cary

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 6:03 PM
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Personally, I cant stand that crap. But then to each their own... But back in my hippy days, nobody liked my long hair and long goatee.. Got over it, well not so much the goatee part.. Was just a thing of the times. As long as there's not some type of infection dripping out, have at it...


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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 6:14 PM
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A small nose stud, small eyebrow ring, tongue stud, multiple earrings (to a point)or tattoos don't bother me. But once the heavy stainless steel is in sight, it just turns me off. If I wonder how someone would go through the metal detector at the airport, then it is TOO MUCH.

I also don't want to know about whatever else someone might have pierced. Don't care, don't want to see it, lived with someone who liked it and have therapy bills to remember him by...

When I worked in our restaurants we could wear a watch and a wedding ring. And had to ditch the watch while preparing food. I did wear a Medic Alert necklace as well, but got permission to do so. And sent a lot of watches through the clothes washer in my pockets! I'm in the office now, and have only added one ring to that get up, and I wear it on a finger, not in my nose!



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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 6:15 PM
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I've hired a couple of kids that had some piercings and they knew from the start they would not be allowed to wear them while at work. In this small countryfied place I would lose business over it.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 6:56 PM
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In a word:

No!

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 7:11 PM
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Eh. Like everything else in life, it's all relative. When I was growing up in the '60s and '70s, it was considered pretty "edgy" to have pierced ears. By this, I mean one piercing in each ear lobe. Now everyone I know has at least one hole in each, except for maybe my mother-in-law (and she has a hard time finding comfortable clip-on earrings!) I've always disliked tattoos, but they are what is "in fashion" now. I'm finishing up a very demanding doctoral program at present, and even in that milieu, most of the woman have multiple piercings and tattoos (although they are usually in spots that can be covered). I dislike the tongue piercings because it makes the person talking sound like an idiot.

Bottom line is, it depends where you work. If you are working on Capitol Hill, you're probably not gonna get away with blue hair, and multiple facial piercings. Same with a buttoned-down law firm. The people I know who will be going into retail or hospital pharmacy will probably NOT be allowed to show their tatts or body piercings. That's just life. You wanna show 'em, find a field that allows it. Until that time, if you're smart, you'll get all those piercings, etc, in a spot where the sun don't shine!

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 7:27 PM
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A lot of waitstaff in Portland have piercings and tatoos, especially in the younger, more hip set.If the food and/or coffee is good, I don't care. Many of the young staff I supervise have piercings and I have found it makes no difference in the quality of their work.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 8:18 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by drsmoke02

quote:
Originally posted by jeepguy

I'm 48 and have a pierced ear.Many years ago i did this.Not really into women with tramp stamps.I have a 21 y/o coworker that has a post through his lip.He's planning on becoming a police officer.Great kid!


Yeah,but your earlobe with the hole in it probably came from one of your fans who got their hands on a spear!
No actually it came from a buddy,an ice cube and a potato-and a big sewing needle.Get back in your kitchen junior.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Tue, 03/21/06 9:26 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jeepguy

quote:
Originally posted by drsmoke02

quote:
Originally posted by jeepguy

I'm 48 and have a pierced ear.Many years ago i did this.Not really into women with tramp stamps.I have a 21 y/o coworker that has a post through his lip.He's planning on becoming a police officer.Great kid!


Yeah,but your earlobe with the hole in it probably came from one of your fans who got their hands on a spear!
No actually it came from a buddy,an ice cube and a potato-and a big sewing needle.Get back in your kitchen junior.


Jeepguy, I have no doubt you are the guy who stamped on the mouse,the french guy had,in the movie, "The Green Mile"

Do you live anywhere the Golden Gate Bridge?


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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 12:10 AM
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Its OK but not in excessive amounts.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 5:16 AM
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Depends on the establishment. If its formal sit down service definately not. If its a casual bar etc..then its probably acceptable. A bar I frequent all of the bar team have piercings and tattoos. Cool place and cool people, but not one of my team is permitted to.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 7:07 AM
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when our kids are grown, and running these places, i wonder if they will still be wearing all that stuff on their faces. and why oh why would someone wnat a piece of steel in their mouth? i just can figure it out. sure dont seem sanitary.

how about a server that comes up to your table, and either reeks of cigarette smoke, or of some perfume, or cologne?
either way, i would loose my appetite!

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 10:07 AM
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Like field I have had long hair for the past 30 yrs as well as a full beard and I know there have been jobs I didn't get because of societies prejudices, there is also the looks one gets and people who hold back at the entrance to a store etc, but I figure that's thier problem. I tease my future daughterinlaw that she looks like she fell in my tackle box, she has multipul ear peircings and a nose stud that to me just looks like a shiny pimple...shrug.... Personally I wont let a waitstaffs facial jewelry or art work effect my meal as much as having to wear a jacket and tie.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 11:05 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Pigiron

quote:
Originally posted by jmckee
Tattoos and piercings are a choice -- a choice to say "Look at me! I'm really weird!"


These things are "weird" because you don't like them? Talk about nonsense.


Not at all. Things are "weird" because there used to be standards. Just like there was a time when people would not dream of sitting down to dinner with a cap on. Or wearing pants with the crotch down to the knees. Or having profanity-laced conversations in public and equally profane bumper stickers on their cars where any impressionable child could be.

Incidentally, the ones with the big tongue posts who also wear braces sound like Morse code when they talk.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 2:00 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jmckee

quote:
Originally posted by Pigiron

quote:
Originally posted by jmckee
Tattoos and piercings are a choice -- a choice to say "Look at me! I'm really weird!"


These things are "weird" because you don't like them? Talk about nonsense.


Not at all. Things are "weird" because there used to be standards. Just like there was a time when people would not dream of sitting down to dinner with a cap on. Or wearing pants with the crotch down to the knees. Or having profanity-laced conversations in public and equally profane bumper stickers on their cars where any impressionable child could be.

Incidentally, the ones with the big tongue posts who also wear braces sound like Morse code when they talk.


So in other words what your saying is that if someone says hello to Jeepguy,his response is,..- --- ... -.- --. -...--

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 2:09 PM
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Piercings / tattoos don't bother me as a customer, as
long as the person is clean. But, I always shudder to think how those tattoos are going to look years down the road in the nursing home!
Hair color / style, wild piercings, tattoos I don't care as long as the service is good, the people are clean, and the food is good.

Andrea

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 3:58 PM
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The hair thing reminds me of my husband. he is a heavy equipment operator with long hair and goatee type beard. He probably be asked to trim the beard (most scruffy :-))

He would be hired as a waiter in a steakhouse, but not an upscale place. If he walked in for an office job; he would certainly not get it.

It's not discrimination. It's a dress code. There are set standards in some circumstances.


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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 4:27 PM
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I know in certain restaurants, the policy is "nothing that shows, either remove it for work or cover it up", This seems like a good policy, you are allowing people's "freedom of expression" without offending or scaring away customers.. of course these are family restaurants... in the tougher, hipper places, this kind of thing is encouraged and welcomed.. I remember places where you couldn't get hired on without looking outrageous.. i.e. pink hair, mohawks, tats and piercings. So I think it depends on the place.
I don't however like the attitude of "accept me as I am world!", Not if you expect to get a job in a regular sort of place. Grownups make concessions if they want to make a decent living.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 4:38 PM
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I simply don't hire anyone with strange colored hair, facial piercings or very obvious tatoos, and I also don't hire smokers. If some gets a facial piercing, obvious tatoo, colors their hair or starts smoking after they are employed here, I will fire them.

My place, my rules.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 7:58 PM
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I run a catering company and during business hours the ONLY jewlery allowed is a wedding ring. No engagement rings or any other jewlery, it is not sanitary for my customers.

Tatoos must also be conceled. and long hair must be put up and be a natural color. No droopy drawers, I will work short staffed than be embarred for my customers, who pay me good money to impress their friends and business associates. If they want to work for me, they work by my policies.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 8:06 PM
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Unless you are working in a parlor, it just doesn't seem to work out. Especially if you are a waiter and dealing with older people you really are not giving yourself a chance. The whole idea is to make an income and if you plan to carry all the "extra" ink and steel you better have a golden personality and a great sense of humor.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Wed, 03/22/06 10:01 PM
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Hmm...I just noticed that Google has seen fit to give this thread an ad from piercedworld.com.
As Riley would have said, "What a revolting development this is!"

I really don't mind the Google ads that much...the site should be able to make money, but I don't think that many people will be clicking on that particular ad.

I think the bottom line on this thread is why on earth would anyone field a wait staff that most customers would find revolting. To me this is a no-brainer from the start.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Thu, 03/23/06 10:05 AM
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I've had a ponytail, a high & tight and a general business cut at various times in my life. Been clean shaven for thirty years just because my beard comes in w/ four colors...looks stupid.

I pierced my ear in college and took it out a week later...again it just looked stupid. I looked stupid, other people look good. Where I live now, piedmont NC to hell and gone redneck land, I am avoided, shunned, laughed at because I wear a suit during the week.

Our catering business had to put a bandaid over a worker's tat because it offended the customer. Worker had no problem but my wife was totally pissed. The worker was a gang member who has turned her life around. One of the best station chefs I've ever had.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that something will always offend someone. A suit...a nose ring...a tear tat...you have to know your customers and your area.


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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Thu, 03/23/06 5:37 PM
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Originally posted by Greyghost

I think the bottom line on this thread is why on earth would anyone field a wait staff that most customers would find revolting. To me this is a no-brainer from the start.


While never missing an opportunity to chain bash....

I think that the above sentiment is part of what keeps corporate restaurants in business. You want to go to a place where no servers have tatoos or piercings, then go to Olive Garden or some other place where it is against their corporate policy.

On the other hand, I had lunch today at the Dinosaur BBQ restaurant in Rochester. The place is a biker bar (not quite as much as their original location in Syracuse, but still...) that serves great BBQ. Stephen Rushmore, Jr. said in a previous thread that Dinosaur is his favorite BBQ in the COUNTRY (I am paraphrasing, but I am pretty sure that I got the gist of that right). A server there with no tattoos or piercings would be in the minority. Still, the service is excellent, the place is always packed (there is usually an hour-plus wait at prime lunch times and more for dinner), and the food is delicious. I don't think that the owners are going to start making a stand to eliminate workers with tattoos and piercings any time soon.

So, I guess maybe it is not quite a "no brainer" nor do I think that "most customers" find this "revolting." I am inclined to think that the average age of those who do find this "revolting" are maybe 60+, while anyone my age (which I will only say is the prime demographic that ALL advertisers aspire to reach because we THEORETICALLY have the most disposable income to spend on such luxuries as dining out!) would not even think twice about this appearance.

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RE: wait Staff with facial pericings Yes or No? - Sat, 03/25/06 7:13 PM
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depends on the restuarant, I've a small town cafe..and I don't allow them...I'm looking at opening a second one in a University student area, and if I do..at that one it'll be fine...all depends on your customer base