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Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 7:16 AM
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If I could only eat one of these on my trip to Mpls/St. Paul, where should I go? I'm leaning toward The Nook but other's say Matt's for this local specialty, also heard the Groveland Tap serves a decent one. Any thoughts?

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 8:32 AM
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I used to coach a softball team years ago that always made the post-game stop at the 5-8 Club. They claim to be the originator of the Jucy Lucy.(like everybody else)It is a great burger and I would recommend it. The 5-8 Club is located at 5800 Cedar Avenue in Minneapolis. I have also heard awesome reviews for Matt's. Have a good trip.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 1:44 PM
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I haven't been to Matt's or the Nook. I have been to the 5-8 Club for their pork tenderloin sandwich not their Jucy Lucy. 5-8 Club has a speakeasy history behind back to the 20s. It has a lot of neighborhood bar ambience. Matt's historically has gotten the most Jucy Lucy pub.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 2:17 PM
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Jucy Lucy? Enlightenment, please.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 5:12 PM
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We have a smallish chain of hamburger drive-thrus (named Juicy Lucy) down here in SW FL (Ft Myers and nearby vicinity) that serves a pretty good burger at a good price. They use a special condiment/sauce on their burgers that adds a somewhat unique taste and the quality is better than average for the money. I have no idea if they're related to the Minneapolis Jucy Lucy burger.
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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 5:39 PM
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Originally posted by BuddyRoadhouse

Jucy Lucy? Enlightenment, please.

Buddy

I was curious, too, so I went looking. It seems that a Jucy Lucy is a burger made with two patties with cheese between them. The edges are sealed and the cheese is melted during cooking. Apparently, the cheese reaches a temperature of 160 degrees, and is capable of inflicting first-degree burns. According to what I read the Jucy Lucy was created in a Minneapolis tavern when a customer asked that the cheese on his cheeseburger be placed in the burger, not on it. It seems that when he bit into it he burned his tongue as the hot cheese leaked out, and he said, "That's a juicy Lucy." Although no one knew what it meant, that's what they began calling the sandwich. Somewhere along the way,the i was dropped from juicy.

That's the story. I have no idea if any of it is true.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 05/24/06 6:46 PM
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Thanks for the background Michael. It doesn't matter if the story is true or not. If it has passed through the Michael Hoffman filter, it's good enough for me.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Thu, 05/25/06 8:12 AM
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Matt's is the best!
Many have copied the Jucy Lucy. I know Matt's has been frying it on a griddle at the bar for probably sixty years. The fries are great,
hot shoestrings. I suggest you have a cold draft Grain Belt or Summit
Pale Ale while you wait for the Molten cheese inside the Jucy Lucy to
cool. Don't Let the appearance stop you, this is a true neighborhood tavern. I would affectionately call it a "Dive". Those that have tried the others always return to Matt's

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 07/3/07 5:24 PM
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We have a smallish chain of hamburger drive-thrus (named Juicy Lucy) down here in SW FL (Ft Myers and nearby vicinity) that serves a pretty good burger at a good price. They use a special condiment/sauce on their burgers that adds a somewhat unique taste and the quality is better than average for the money. I have no idea if they're related to the Minneapolis Jucy Lucy burger.
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The MN store was a franchisee of Juicy Lucy's, Inc. of Ft. Myers, FL. The name came from the fact that their burgers were hand-pattied from fresh ground meat, loosely packed, and still juicy when served on a toasted bun, as opposed to, say, McDonald's burgers which are machine packed, dense, and dry. The seasoning was a proprietary dry mix made only by the franchisor principals.

I was the owner of their New Carrollton, MD store before I got sick and tired of the constant thievery of the local employees and found myself some Koreans with cash!

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 07/3/07 6:47 PM
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I doubt if the Minnesota restaurants were a franchisee of Juicy Lucy's in Ft. Myers. It is pretty well established that the Jucy Lucy started in Minnesota and more than likely some Minnesota migrants to Florida took advantage of the name because the three primary bar/grill/dives with the most prominent reputation for them are independent neighborhood places--Matt's Bar in Minneapolis, 5-8 Club in Minneapolis dating back to prohibition and the Nook in St. Paul. They definitely are not franchisees of a Florida company. The Jucy Lucy burgers are simply two patties that encase the cheese in the middle. They have nothing to do with a loose pack. Note Minnesotans spell it Jucy Lucy without the "i" and the burgers have been around a long time.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 07/3/07 6:49 PM
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BTW, since my previous post in this thread I have been to the Nook several times even though it is 30 miles from my house. It is the neighborhood bar/grill every neighborhood could only wish they had.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Fri, 07/6/07 9:16 AM
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Originally posted by Davydd

I doubt if the Minnesota restaurants were a franchisee of Juicy Lucy's in Ft. Myers. It is pretty well established that the Jucy Lucy started in Minnesota and more than likely some Minnesota migrants to Florida took advantage of the name because the three primary bar/grill/dives with the most prominent reputation for them are independent neighborhood places--Matt's Bar in Minneapolis, 5-8 Club in Minneapolis dating back to prohibition and the Nook in St. Paul. They definitely are not franchisees of a Florida company. The Jucy Lucy burgers are simply two patties that encase the cheese in the middle. They have nothing to do with a loose pack. Note Minnesotans spell it Jucy Lucy without the "i" and the burgers have been around a long time.


Juicy Lucy's was a franchised fast food with double drive-thru's. They had 20 or so stores in West and Central Florida and franchises in MD (my ill-fated venture), CO, WI, and MN. All were out of business by 2000.

The MSP "Juicy Lucie" seems to be ground beef wrapped around cheese and then cooked. Sounds delicious, but we did not serve that treat at the franchise.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Fri, 07/6/07 3:46 PM
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There was a "Juicy Lucy" franchise on I-94 south of Milwaukee. They went out of business about 5-6 years ago.

Also, on our last trip to Minneapolis/St.Paul we stopped by Matt's for the real thing and had a fine meal. Great old time tavern atmosphere and good honest tavern food. The Jucy Lucy was pretty darned tasty. If there is a better version than that, I sure would like to try it!

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Fri, 07/6/07 9:34 PM
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Buddy,

Two other places make a claim to the best and they are the 5-8 Club on Cedar in Minneapolis, a place that dates back to prohibition as a speakeasy and the Nook in St. Paul that also dates back to at least the 40s judging by the sports stuff hanging on the walls. I doubt you can go wrong in any one of the three places. The Nook and the 5-8 Club have pork tenderloin sandwiches as well. That's why I go. I'll have to try Matt's soon. I doubt any of these places have a thing to do with the Florida Juicy Lucy, Inc. That Florida company probably stole the name from these independents and marketed it unsuccessfully evidently. They obviously didn't have the real goods.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Sat, 07/7/07 2:07 PM
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Davydd, both of these places sounds like winners. We checked out Matt's during our previous visit, on our last day in town as we were getting ready to hit the road. I think we'll do the same thing on our visit next week, trying either The Nook or the 5-8 Club for a last meal before jumping onto I-94.

Thanks for the tip!

Buddy

P.S. Hope to see you sometime while we're in your fine metropolis. I'll post the full schedule early next week.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 07/9/07 2:03 AM
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I have made this kind of burger before. Its not really hard. They are especially good if you mix the meat with some onion soup mix. This is making me hungry for some. I have never seen it in a restauraunt around here though.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Thu, 07/26/07 3:00 PM
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I went out for lunch today with some of my former co-workers. I had promised I would drive downtown to Minneapolis to show them how I now live the good retirement life with my Sprinter Camper Van. Since I couldn't find a suitable place to park on the street I picked them up and gave them a rare noontime luncheon treat--a trip out of downtown to south Minneapolis and Matt's Bar at 35th and Cedar. Matt's is the claimed home of the Jucy Lucy in that it has been served there since 1954. So much for those Florida claims. Ft. Meyers had to be a tiny burg back then.



There is not much of a menu. There is a regular hamburger, a chicken sandwich and a Jucy Lucy. The Jucy Lucy is an unpretentious burger served in a wrapper in a plastic basket. It is not overly huge or special looking. This place is a neighborhood bar, not a fern, yuppie place. When you bite into it you have to start by nibbling around the edges. If you take a big bite the hot cheese and hamburger juice will squirt out onto you and down your hands. You have to eat leaning over the table. The Jucy Lucy was delicious, not because of the cheese juice but because it just seemed right in taste and hit the spot. Here's the Jucy Lucy. Like I said, not much to look at...



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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 7:44 AM
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Originally posted by Davydd

Buddy,

I doubt any of these places have a thing to do with the Florida Juicy Lucy, Inc. That Florida company probably stole the name from these independents and marketed it unsuccessfully evidently. They obviously didn't have the real goods.


They didn't.

The founder of Juicy Lucy's was the late Bob Massey who was a principal in Country Kitchen before they sold to the Carlson Group. Bob was from Minneapolis and had a franchise there. He told me that the franchise "Juicy Lucy" took the name because our burgers were hand pattied from fresh ground beef and thus when cooked, were "loose and juicy" as opposed to the hockey pucks McDonald's serves.

We did not serve any sandwich that was fried with cheese inside.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 8:17 AM
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I just have a hard time grasping the Jucy Lucy as a "regional speciality" from Minneapolis- To me, all it is, is a cheeseburger in disguise...

it's not something I would go out of my way to try, especially if I was short on time.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by wanderingjew

I just have a hard time grasping the Jucy Lucy as a "regional speciality" from Minneapolis- To me, all it is, is a cheeseburger in disguise...

it's not something I would go out of my way to try, especially if I was short on time.

They are different than a cheeseburger. For one the cheese inside is molten and ready to erupt all over you if you are not careful on your first bite. It is an entirely different experience.

They may not be solely unique to Minneapolis/St. Paul but the name probably is and the company in Florida obviously and unoriginally via a Minnesota connection copied and adopted the name but not the sandwich. Also, there is a pretty good local rivalry between Matt's Bar, The Nook and the 5-8 Club as to who has the best Jucy Lucy which makes for a lot of local discussion.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Davydd

quote:
Originally posted by wanderingjew

I just have a hard time grasping the Jucy Lucy as a "regional speciality" from Minneapolis- To me, all it is, is a cheeseburger in disguise...

it's not something I would go out of my way to try, especially if I was short on time.

They are different than a cheeseburger. For one the cheese inside is molten and ready to erupt all over you if you are not careful on your first bite. It is an entirely different experience.

They may not be solely unique to Minneapolis/St. Paul but the name probably is and the company in Florida obviously and unoriginally via a Minnesota connection copied and adopted the name but not the sandwich. Also, there is a pretty good local rivalry between Matt's Bar, The Nook and the 5-8 Club as to who has the best Jucy Lucy which makes for a lot of local discussion.


Davydd,

I'm not doubting that the concept could perhaps be unique to Minneapolis St Paul, my reference to a cheeseburger in disguise was referring to the ingredients itself- which appear be be inside vs outside!
Personally I'd rather have a plate of Walleye with a cup of Cream of Wild Rice Turkey Soup on the side! or Perhaps a Plate of Swedish Meatballs with Lingonberries...

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 11:51 AM
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I'd have to consider it a regional specialty just as much as I would a steamed cheeseburger in Connecticut. If you want to set tight parameters, walleye is readily fished and eaten in Canada, Wisconsin and Ohio as well Minnesota, and maybe other places as well.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 12:06 PM
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saps, Walleye is a revered fish in Minnesota and a fried walleye sandwich in just about uniformly in every restaurant in Minnesota that serves a fish sandwich. You cannot even say that for Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio. They all have walleye but they all have a higher percentage of other local fish to fry so to speak. That is the main difference.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 12:32 PM
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saps, Walleye is a revered fish in Minnesota and a fried walleye sandwich in just about uniformly in every restaurant in Minnesota that serves a fish sandwich. You cannot even say that for Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio. They all have walleye but they all have a higher percentage of other local fish to fry so to speak. That is the main difference.


I'm aware of that, seeing that I lived there for a while, my wife is from Bloomington (St. Thomas grad), and I graduated from the U of M. I used to go to Scanlan's before it became Tavern on Grand. I think walleye is a regional specialty, as is the Jucy Lucy, as is the steamed cheeseburger in Connecticut. Looking back at my post, I didn't do a very good job of clarifying my stance.

I still hate the Vikings, however, although they do look pretty good right now (I'm a Bears fan; the team with the bad Adrian Peterson).

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 12:47 PM
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Davydd,

Since this thread has been reopened, let me chime in briefly. Based on your recommendation we visited The Nook on our last trip up your way. It was vastly superior to Matt's, which we had tried previously. The quality of the burger itself was better, the size was bigger, the cheese inside was more plentiful and, the ambiance was amazing.

Nothing against Matt's; we enjoyed our visit to that classic bar as well. The Nook was just better on so many levels. Thank you Davydd for sending us there!

To wanderingjew, I understand how you might perceive the Jucy Lucy as nothing more than a "cheeseburger in disguise", but once you've had one you will realize it is so much more. The melding of cheese and beef in the Jucy Lucy is sublime. I'm not sure I would make a special trip to the Twin Cities just for a Jucy Lucy, but if you're ever in town anyway, it is not to be missed!

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 1:41 PM
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Personally I'd rather have a plate of Walleye with a cup of Cream of Wild Rice Turkey Soup on the side! or Perhaps a Plate of Swedish Meatballs with Lingonberries...
Just curious, but did you mean to say meatballs and not pancakes? I've never seen them that way, but I guess it's not all that different from cranberry sauce on turkey...

Brad

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 2:16 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by wanderingjew

Personally I'd rather have a plate of Walleye with a cup of Cream of Wild Rice Turkey Soup on the side! or Perhaps a Plate of Swedish Meatballs with Lingonberries...
Just curious, but did you mean to say meatballs and not pancakes? I've never seen them that way, but I guess it's not all that different from cranberry sauce on turkey...

Brad


Yes, it seems the meatballs are traditionally served with Lingonberries.

http://www.tasteofscandinavia.com/store/home.php?cat=7&sort=orderby&sort_direction=0&page=2

Although, now that I think about it, I can go with the Swedish Pancakes too, or perhaps wild rice pancakes, or maybe a wild rice omelet. While I'm at it I'll go with some lefse and maybe a tater tot or tuna hot dish and some swedish potato sausage- sorry, I would go with these things first before considering a juicy lucy.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 2:40 PM
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I'll stick with that old Minnesota standby, lutefisk. Why, did you know that Madison, Minnesota is the Lutefisk Capital of the World. And here in Ohio all we have is Port Clinton, the Walleye Capital of the World.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 2:46 PM
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I'll stick with that old Minnesota standby, lutefisk. Why, did you now that Madison, Minnesota is the Lutefisk Capital of the World. And here in Ohio all we have is Port Clinton, the Walleye Capital of the World.


You're right- I can't forget a big ol' plate of that luscious lutefisk!


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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 12/19/07 3:42 PM
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I'm in Minnesota. I'll stick with Walleye. If I ever had lutefisk it had to have been 26 years ago at the Sons of Norway Lodge annual Christmas White Dinner. Everything on the plate had to be white.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Wed, 02/13/08 8:26 PM
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my name is tyler fiedler and my mother is mary beth fiedler maiden name mary beth massie her father robert j massie (who passed away on sep 18 2001) was the founder of juicy lucy's and the cofounder of country kitchen i thought i would let you all know that the burger was named after the way it was loose and juicy just thought i would let oyu all know that

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Fri, 09/19/08 10:26 PM
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Just an update to this topic. There is actually a website on the Jucy Lucy. I guess you can find anything on the internet sooner or later.

http://www.jucylucyrestaurants.com/

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Sat, 10/18/08 2:21 AM
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Yes, The Nook. Great place. Next to CDH where Matt Birk and Joe Mauer went to High School. It is a small dive with great food. I stop there when I go to CDH for consulting. They have lots of pictures on the walls with celebs that ate there. Do find time to stop there.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 10/20/08 4:41 PM
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I can't vouch for it myself, but the folks from the Groveland Tap recently opened a place called the Blue Door Pub in St. Paul (on Selby at Prior). They specialize in Jucy Lucy variations (which they nauseatingly call "Juicy Blucys").

I plan on getting over there soon to try a cheeseburger and will report.

www.thebluedoorpubmn.com


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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 11/24/08 10:46 AM
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We went to Shamrocks Grill & Pub on West 7th St. in St. Paul, MN and I had the Paul Molitor Jucy Lucy with pepperjack cheese. The menu is the same as Casper & Runyon's the Nook.




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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 11/24/08 10:53 AM
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Davydd, That looks like one heck of a burger. No opinion?
You're just going to let the burger do the talkin'.


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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 02/16/09 10:46 PM
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Jucy Lucy and More
Man vs. Food visits Minneapolis

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 02/16/09 11:32 PM
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joerogo


Davydd, That looks like one heck of a burger. No opinion?
You're just going to let the burger do the talkin'.


Doesn't the burger speak for itself?

As far as Jucy Lucy's go it beats Matt's Bar. I haven't had one at the 5-8 Club. My only time there I had their pork tenderloin sandwich. Jucy Lucy's have been around for years in Minnesota but I think they are kind of taking on a cult like following of late making them better known and more and more bars, pubs and restaurants are adding them to their menus in the Twin Cities.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Mon, 02/16/09 11:46 PM
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Matts has served it forever, 5-8 club added it
awhile back but the Nook does a great job
with everything.
<message edited by mhill95 on Mon, 02/16/09 11:51 PM>

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 02/17/09 12:34 AM
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Davydd, Dad and I completed the Jucy Lucy circuit last summer with a visit to the 5-8 Club.  We had visited Matt's and The Nook (on your recommendation, thank you) on previous visits to the Twin Cities.

We were in agreement that both The Nook and 5-8 Club beat out Matt's version by a wide margin with The 5-8 Club narrowly taking the big prize overall.  Hard to fault anything at The Nook really, we were just a little more impressed with 5-8's burger.

If you added in the ambience at The Nook versus 5-8 it would be a statistical tie.

Buddy

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 02/17/09 7:58 AM
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The "winning" 5-8 Club Jucy Lucy looks wonderful:


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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 02/17/09 8:45 AM
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Going to MSP and not trying a Juicy Lucy would be like going to R.I. eating nothing but Johnny Cakes and Clams and skipping a N.Y. System hotdog.  What a wasted trip that would be.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 02/17/09 12:21 PM
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I've been to the Nook twice the 5-8 bar once. Tried to go to Matt's but it was closed.

I liked the Nook the best, although it takes a LONG time to get your food. The last time I was there...last summer...we waited like 30 minutes for our JL's.  The place wasn't even that busy.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 02/17/09 12:28 PM
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[id=quote font="arial, helvetica"]quote: Originally posted by wanderingjew

I just have a hard time grasping the Jucy Lucy as a "regional speciality" from Minneapolis- To me, all it is, is a cheeseburger in disguise...

it's not something I would go out of my way to try, especially if I was short on time.

They are different than a cheeseburger. For one the cheese inside is molten and ready to erupt all over you if you are not careful on your first bite. It is an entirely different experience.




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Agreed, eating a Juicy Lucy is entirely different experience than eating a cheeseburger. Really, one has to experience a Lucy to really understand. I can't wait for the next time I'm up in MN so I can get another one.

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RE: Jucy Lucy in MSP - Tue, 02/17/09 5:53 PM
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Well, I went to Blue Door Pub.  The buns aren't as good as The Nook, toasted too long, and my cheese had mostly disappeared on the griddle.  That said, it was only the 2nd time ever I've had a Jucy Lucy that had pink meat left in the middle.  It is absolutely shameful that you can't get cheddar in one, considering their plethora of other cheese combinations.  A serious burger joint should hand-form every burger to order, so there's no excuse in my mind.
 
It was a good reminder why a great, standard cheeseburger beats the hell out of a Jucy Lucy any day.
 
On a side note, the cheese curds are spectacular.