When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert

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When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 3:03 AM
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So I took another little roadtrip, and planned on writing up another report, but this experience was so bizarre, I thought it was unfair to taint the other restaurants by including them in the same entry as this restaurant.

Plus, I thought you might have similar stories to tell.

So Bob and I had just finished watching the Palm Springs golf cart parade in Palm Desert, and stopped into a little Italian restaurant for a light lunch before heading down to look at the fair. The restaurant was decorated very nicely, with blues and silvers and the menu looked interesting. I aked the waiter if any of the pastas were handmade. He didn't know and when I waited for him to say he would check. he said, "It is really hard for me." I didn't understand what he meant, so I just let it go.

We ordered the crab cakes and a pizza to split. The crab cake had bright pink bits in it, and didn't shred the way I'm used to. I asked Bob, "Is this Krab with a "K"? I kept picking at it, "It really looks like Krab with a "K". But who would do that in a crab cake?" Bob said, "I don't care. It tastes good. I took a bite and he was right. It was fried perfectly and the red pepper sauce on top was really nice.

I looked up from poking at bits of crab cake with my fork to ask, "How's the pizza?" and crawling down the wall right next to Bob's head was a cockroach. It's not as if I have never seen a cockroach in a restaurant before, but I had a big mouthful of crab/krab, and it was so close to his face, I said, "Handle this however you want." He smashed the roach with his napkin, and it fell between the wall and banquette, and I ran outside to get some air because I was afraid I was going to be sick.

I waited outside for a long time. Finally Bob came out and told me he had quietly told the waiter what happened, and asked to speak to the manager. The waiter came back, presented Bob with the check, and said, "I am only an employee." So Bob paid, then came out to tell me what happened. I asked, "He wouldn't LET you talk to the manager?" So Bob said, "You're right. I should talk to the manager." and went back in.

A few minutes later, Bob came out closely followed by a man in whites. I thought they were coming out to discuss it privately. What I didn't know is what happened inside. Bob had asked another server to talk to the manager. The hostess and a man in whites came over. Bob led them over to the cash register so he wouldn't say anything embarassing in front of the other guests. He asked the lady, "Did Jose (our server) tell you about the problem at our table?" She said, "There is nothing I can do." Then the man in whites started going off on Bob, "You're in the desert! I challenge you to find a restaurant that DOESN'T have roaches." Bob was so flabbergasted and disgusted, he walked out, with the guy following close at his heels. Apparently when Bob opened the door, he opened it hard, and it slammed against the wall.

I was unaware of what had just happened, so I was shocked when Bob walked right past me and the man, yelled, "You come back here again, I'm going to call the police!"

My mind was blown. I said, "We found a cockroach in YOUR restaurant and you're going to call the police on US?" Do you think we planted it or something? What are you calling the police for?"

"For slamming the door!"

I said, "Go ahead! And we'll call the health department."

At this point, one of his servers was trying to pull him back in by the elbow, like you do with drunks in barfights.

He said, "Go ahead. I get inspected every week." Then he got up in my face and asked, "How many roaches are there in YOUR house?"

I have never felt like, "Well, I never!" but I was so insulted! I said, "None. We get sprayed every 3 months."

He said, "I get sprayed every TWO months."

"Well, it's obviously not working."

Then two waitstaff managed to pull him back, and he shouted at Bob, who was standing a few doors down, "You slam my door again and I'll put my foot in your ass!"

I asked, "And what is your name?"

He pointed at the sign above the restaurant and said, "What's my name? What's MY name? Right there! That sign!"


So here is that sign.





I realized then that the waiter must have meant when he didn't want to ask if they had homemade pasta. he was probably afraid to go in the kitchen asking questions.

I asked Bob, "Do you think maybe something terrible happened that made him act that way? I mean, he admitted they had roaches then he was already following you outside to fight more before you slammed the door. So it wasn't really about the door. Maybe someone died or divorced him or something."

Bob said, "I think he was just so proud of his restaurant, he couldn't stand to have there be anything wrong with it. Like if there are cockroaches, then cockroaches are just fine."

I said, "Well, maybe they were Kockroaches with a K."






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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 3:22 AM
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Put a lawyer on retainer, then call the Health Department. Now.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 3:30 AM
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Originally posted by EliseT

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So here is that sign.




Vittorio.. Hmm..
Cockroach, crappy attitude.
Seems like a place NO ONE want's to eat at again.
And glad you let us know about this simple minded man/manager/owner?/server......
You do make great reviews, Elise.
Glad everyone of them are great except for this "restaurant" (word I cannot put on RF) (but begins with an A and ends with E)

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 3:41 AM
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Knowing you are some distance from home makes my suggestion a bit extreme, but I will say that to march up and down with signs warning potential customers of your experience isn't unreasonable behavior.
This guy needs to get the message. Why not send Z-Man down there to discuss your problem with the owner?

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 4:34 AM
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Definetely call the county health dept. I did a couple weeks ago about my local WH. The inspector called me back 2 days later to let me know the place was shut down for 24 hours while it was fumigated.

MikeS.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 4:54 AM
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Well, this website is like my own kind of picketing sign. Sorry to use you guys for vegeance, but don't you want to know? I know some of you vacation in that town.

I mean, a roach is one thing, but it makes me wonder if that laissez-faire attitude extends to all food safety. Plus, I don't think "safe-handling" was what he wanted to do to Bob!


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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 4:56 AM
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Originally posted by MikeS.

Definetely call the county health dept. I did a couple weeks ago about my local WH. The inspector called me back 2 days later to let me know the place was shut down for 24 hours while it was fumigated.

MikeS.


You can also report people online by county.

It only takes a minute.



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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 5:43 AM
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Elise,
May I suggest you change the title of the thread to "Desert Hot Springs Loser", or something like that, that has the location in the title, so folks who do hit-SEARCH- for that location will see your message right away. That will get the word out to the folks who might decide to try it sometime. Need help doing that...let me know what you want it to say and I will edit for you.
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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 5:46 AM
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=== "It is really hard for me." I didn't understand what he meant, so I just let it go... ..I realized then that the waiter must have meant when he didn't want to ask if they had homemade pasta. he was probably afraid to go in the kitchen asking questions.===

Vittorio rules with fear. The waiters inability to answer your pasta question reflects that they work in an atmosphere where they are scared of him. If they were to ask questions, it would seem to him as they do not know anything. It is smarter to keep silent and stupid than invoke his wrath.

I would even guess that the staff's attempts to to restrain him is based on their desire to preserve their jobs. I see too many reasons why they might be looking for new employment.

I worked for this chef named Ruggero, a direct transplant from Italy. We called him 'Rage'-ero. Though I had been cooking for over 10 years in S.F., I did not know enough for him.
I suspect that Vittorio has the same attitude within his kitchen and restaurant not to mention in dealing with the outside world.

I am going to take a guess and your crab cakes were spelled with a 'C'. They might mix a little 'K' into it, but if you have a sign like his outside you would expect the real thing and a willingness to pay for it.

Regarding cockroaches, they sure are plentiful after you reach a certain longitude here in the States. They certainly were everywhere in New Orleans. Tough little suckers who knew how to use a knife and fork. To paraphrase Mark Twain, "They're so big that they have voting rights.."

===He said, "Go ahead. I get inspected every week." ===

HHmmm, You do not get weekly inspections unless you deserve/require it...

I could not find this restaurant through Google. This name is abundantly listed in Italy. After a couple of pages, I quit. Do you have a link for this place? I would like to see if his menu properly reflects his attitude and your concerns about K or C.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 5:58 AM
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=== I know some of you vacation in that town.

I mean, a roach is one thing, but it makes me wonder if that laissez-faire attitude extends to all food safety.====

This thought was in the back of my mind. There has to be some way that local folks and businesses are aware of this place. The BBB? Is there an online review for restaurants in this region? Somebody in that town needs to talk to Vittorio and suggest that one bad apple can wreck the whole basket.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 6:37 AM
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http://www.r-vittorio.com/Intro.html

The menu is really interesting. The sauce on the crab cakes was excellent, but Bob hated the bite of pizza he had before we saw the roach. He said it was like a dry Saltine cracker.

The thing that made me suspicious of the crab cakes was the bits of intense pink color inside and the unusual texture. Maybe he gets his crab somewhere that uses a lot of claw, or maybe he sues a pink ingredient, because I have a pretty sensitive palate, and it didn't taste like "krab".

But it could be the best food in the world and I wouldn't go back there.

I have seen many a rat and roach in New Orleans and a few in Los Angeles, but at least those restauranteurs pretend to be shocked.







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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 6:40 AM
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Originally posted by EliseT


http://www.r-vittorio.com/Intro.html

The menu is really interesting. The sauce on the crab cakes was excellent, but Bob hated the bite of pizza he had before we saw the roach. He said it was like a dry Saltine cracker.

The thing that made me suspicious of the crab cakes was the bits of intense pink color inside and the unusual texture. Maybe he gets his crab somewhere that uses a lot of claw, or maybe he sues a pink ingredient, because I have a pretty sensitive palate, and it didn't taste like "krab".

But it could be the best food in the world and I wouldn't go back there.

I have seen many a rat and roach in New Orleans and a few in Los Angeles, but at least those restauranteurs pretend to be shocked.







I was going to correct the spelling on "uses" as "sues" then I thought it was a funny Freudian slip.



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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 6:44 AM
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Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

Elise,
May I suggest you change the title of the thread to "Desert Hot Springs Loser", or something like that, that has the location in the title, so folks who do hit-SEARCH- for that location will see your message right away. That will get the word out to the folks who might decide to try it sometime. Need help doing that...let me know what you want it to say and I will edit for you.
AL


OK I changed it.

I should have just made it be this




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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 7:27 AM
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What a jerk!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 8:51 AM
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The restaurant has an email address.. I suggest we all email and tell them we wouldn't want to eat in that roach house if they paid us...LOL

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 8:54 AM
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I thought the EXACT same thing,iansmom!!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 9:03 AM
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Maybe someone should email him a link to this thread?

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 9:45 AM
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A hot head who chases you out the door make me wonder how he established a business in the first place. A real chip on his shoulder.

It sounds like he will not be there very long.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 9:48 AM
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I am surprised that he can get anyone to work for him.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 10:21 AM
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Elise,

It looks like he uses quality ingredients, so I'll guess the crab is real. I don't think crab cakes are properly made unless they are like they make in Baltimore. The menu does not say he is using lump crab meat. I'm going to guess that he makes crab patties with added peppers and onions and who knows what else.
I used to make them that way until I went to Baltimore and learned that I was doing it all wrong.

====But it could be the best food in the world and I wouldn't go back there.===

I believe that. You are creating converts .....

===I have seen many a rat and roach in New Orleans and a few in Los Angeles, but at least those restauranteurs pretend to be shocked.===

That's funny. I have a weasel in my kitchen, but I find it easy to live with myself...

One roach story that I'll always remember was when I had some Moo Shoo pancakes and was applying the plum sauce. Looking at the pancake, I saw that there was a roach that was in the sauce.
I got the waiters attention and he took the jar and replaced it -immediately. Later I realized that he probably got the replacement sauce from the same container that the roach was originally in.

mark

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 10:40 AM
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This sort of situation makes a solid case for the reviewer who only visits a place one time. On another thread some folks were pretty put out when a place was given a real negative review after just one visit by the customer. I think this is a prime example for the "Once Is Enough" Write-Up!!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by NebGuy

Maybe someone should email him a link to this thread?
I almost did: warned them that they had management problems and that the word was spreading fast. I didn't want to tell them about Roadfood, though; I like this site partly because we're usually pretty civil to one another, and I didn't want to let a hothead find out about us!

I'll let y'all know if I hear anything.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 11:23 AM
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Mr. Mayor, it's a GOOD thing that Zman wasn't there cuz 'ol Vittorio would've ended up like his roaches......SMASHED like a bug!!

Since this restaurant is in my neck of the woods, I'm definately sending an email. That kind of behavior is totally unacceptable, roach or no roach.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 11:47 AM
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Maybe the Roach Motel has an opening for a chef?

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 11:52 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by NebGuy

Maybe the Roach Motel has an opening for a chef?





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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 11:55 AM
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One roach story that I'll always remember was when I had some Moo Shoo pancakes and was applying the plum sauce. Looking at the pancake, I saw that there was a roach that was in the sauce.
I got the waiters attention and he took the jar and replaced it -immediately. Later I realized that he probably got the replacement sauce from the same container that the roach was originally in.

mark



Once in Tijuana, I got a shot of tequila with flies in it. So I got a replacement shot, and that one had flies in it too. I asked to see the bottle and it was chock full o'flies. They must have been making it in buckets and refilling the bottles!





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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 12:10 PM
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For comparisons, check out http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16432. Sounds like an analogous situation.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 12:23 PM
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Rick, it is interesting that the person who posted the thread you linked in your comment, has not posted since he posed that issue. Many thought he was trolling to get an argument going, and his posting activity tends to prove that out. did you notice that he claimed to be in a rural Alaskan community? I think Elise's 'review' is reacting to some different behavior patterns by the 'Boss' of the place in Palm Desert.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 2:25 PM
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The Food Network needs new programing so maybe this could be the start-up for "When Good Chefs Go Bad". Possibly a segment for "Undercover Kitchen"..."Does Your Chef Need Meds"!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 6:13 PM
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Speaking of roaches, they were so bad in the neighborhood where I grew up, I once saw one pull a knife on one of the rats and take his cheese. Pa-dump-bump.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 6:48 PM
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How funny Al, I completely forgot about that guy...he sure had us all going for awhile!!!I say we send Vittorio a link to our site..

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 7:42 PM
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so did anyone send an email?

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 8:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by EliseT

quote:
Originally posted by doggydaddy




One roach story that I'll always remember was when I had some Moo Shoo pancakes and was applying the plum sauce. Looking at the pancake, I saw that there was a roach that was in the sauce.
I got the waiters attention and he took the jar and replaced it -immediately. Later I realized that he probably got the replacement sauce from the same container that the roach was originally in.

mark



Once in Tijuana, I got a shot of tequila with flies in it. So I got a replacement shot, and that one had flies in it too. I asked to see the bottle and it was chock full o'flies. They must have been making it in buckets and refilling the bottles!

Imagine that! I once got a bottle of tequila with a worm in it!









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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Mon, 01/15/07 11:26 PM
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I did one for Citysearch, but I think it has to be approved first.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 12:53 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

Rick, it is interesting that the person who posted the thread you linked in your comment, has not posted since he posed that issue. Many thought he was trolling to get an argument going, and his posting activity tends to prove that out. did you notice that he claimed to be in a rural Alaskan community? I think Elise's 'review' is reacting to some different behavior patterns by the 'Boss' of the place in Palm Desert.
Hmm. Didn't remember about his location; and I agree that he might well have been trolling. But I do think that both (if he was telling the truth) of the bosses was analogous in that they both had to have been downright crazy--maybe clinically so!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 1:00 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by guspas

so did anyone send an email?
I did. No reply so far.

annpeeples, a thousand times no! I like us: often nice, semi-respectful of each others' idiosyncrasies, and willing to be slapped down if we err too far.

How's that for saccharine?!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 1:58 AM
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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 2:00 AM
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Oh my God!

You are a Photoshop wizard (Luckily it was the smaller, German cockroach variety, not like it makes it that much better)


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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 3:21 AM
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Frank, that is funny.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 3:42 AM
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Do I sense a Photoshop challenge? See what you can do with the crab cakes!





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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 7:05 AM
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LOL Nice work Frank

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 7:23 AM
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Just a little tongue in cheek,Rick F!

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by EliseT

Do I sense a Photoshop challenge? See what you can do with the crab cakes!







Those were exactly what I expected the crab cakes to look like. The crab is so fine that you can't tell what it is besides breaded mooshy crab. I know, as I used to make them that way. My memory is foggy, but I bet I used Dungeness crab instead of the Chesapeake Bay variety. This may explain why they seemed different.

I have been reading this thread with great amusement. I also like the 'Professionals section' as it covers so many aspects of this business. Your story reflects what goes on behind closed kitchen doors (and out onto the street). Everybody has a 'Bad Boss' story, but Vittorio is the champ among his employees.

I have met my fair share, as I reminisced about 'Rage-ero' in S.F. but I do have a recent story. I had a job cooking in a kitchen with an Egyptian chef, and his Turkish sous-chef, who ran the show. The menu was pretty much Italian. I always thought that their background was unusual for doing this cuisine. But in this region of Connecticut, anything with red sauce is Italian.
They worked at this place for over 15 years each and bragged how they terminated previous cooks no matter how good. They were not good enough.
They kept the recipes to themselves and I found it incredibly revealing that the pantry girl who had worked for over two years did not know how to make a simple house salad dressing. Knowledge is power and they wanted all the power. As long as only they knew the recipes their jobs were safe. They could not be replaced as nobody else knew how things were made.

On my first day, I introduced myself to some of the waitresses, and one of them said "Good Luck", but not in an encouraging way. After my first two weeks, one of the bartenders came back and asked "You're still here?"

I would work doing things their way. My problem was that I would let the chef know when we were running out of items. He would become irate, as he felt that it was a challenge to the fact that he was the chef and knew what was needed and required. It became an issue of "Are you telling me my job? You are not the chef, I am!" Whatever.
I became so tired of his tantrums that one night I got to the point where I said "My mama did not raise me to be talked like this by a guy like you." and I walked.

This is a lot of writing about two chefs in one place. Yes, on the first day, I felt that there might be problems. I knew I was in the wrong place when one of the chefs asked a waitress if she was thirsty. It was a hot August day and she said "Yes". The chef said, "Open your mouth...!!!"
I'm from San Francisco, where the women are tough and the men are pretty. If you said that to a waitress back home, you would be kicked between the legs and dragged from there across the kitchen.

These guys make me wish that I could find them in a dark alley away from their home turf where they think they are omnipotent. I'm betting that if I ever saw them in the real world, they would slink away....like cockroaches. There was only one place that they have power, that is the kitchen. They were small people in a big world.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 11:09 AM
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The thing that made me suspicious of the crab cakes was the bits of intense pink color inside and the unusual texture. Maybe he gets his crab somewhere that uses a lot of claw, or maybe he sues a pink ingredient, because I have a pretty sensitive palate, and it didn't taste like "krab".


Is it just me? Or does anyone else have a problem ordering fish in the desert?

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 11:45 AM
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The thing that made me suspicious of the crab cakes was the bits of intense pink color inside and the unusual texture. Maybe he gets his crab somewhere that uses a lot of claw, or maybe he sues a pink ingredient, because I have a pretty sensitive palate, and it didn't taste like "krab".


Is it just me? Or does anyone else have a problem ordering fish in the desert?


I live right next to the Pacific ocean, but our fish is not caught out in front of the restaurant where it is served. It is caught in Mexico, and Hawaii, and the Atlantic. So I figure the chefs in the desert have access to the same crab for Maryland that the chefs in San Diego have.


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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 12:08 PM
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You should definately report this to the health department!

However, I find his defense pretty flimsy about roaches in the desert. I spent most of my life in the galveston area and we had roaches a-plenty no matter what we did. The house was exterminated monthly, all food was stored in plastic containers etc. Even with following all the advice of the exterminators we'd still occassionally see roaches outside and in the garage.

When I lived in So Cal I never saw a roach period. Not in my house, not at a restaurant, not at a store, not at a motel, never period. We never had to have an exterminator inside the house for roaches, and every 3 months they would spray the exterior of the building for ants. I asked an exterminator why there were no roaches and he said that roaches thrive on humid areas and that while they had some it wasn't a huge problem in the desert like you would see on the gulf coast. I was there for almost 5 years and really wondered if they existed in the desert so what is this guys problem?


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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 2:03 PM
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It's not as bad as in humid environments, but they definitely exist.

Unless that one was a snowbird like Lleechef!


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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 2:44 PM
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Do I sense a Photoshop challenge? See what you can do with the crab cakes!







These look a little too perfect, like a frozen in the bag job. Not at all like crab cakes formed by hand. Even with a mold or ring. The coating is a bit too perfect as well. Just my take. So I would not be surprised if there was some Krab in here.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 3:55 PM
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Do I sense a Photoshop challenge? See what you can do with the crab cakes!







These look a little too perfect, like a frozen in the bag job. Not at all like crab cakes formed by hand. Even with a mold or ring. The coating is a bit too perfect as well. Just my take. So I would not be surprised if there was some Krab in here.


Kinda look like Kroquettes. pb

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 6:37 PM
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Maybe call the local tv news "problemsolvers" and get them in on the action ... they're usually looking for an opportunity to do one of those exposes on (to quote Ben Bradley) "ratsh*t in restaurants".

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 6:44 PM
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Oh my God!

... Luckily it was the smaller, German cockroach variety, not like it makes it that much better




I'm picturing the goose-stepping, straight-arm-saluting cockroach army in the old Fat Freddy's Cat cartoon.
Vittorios would make a *great* subject for a underground comic.

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RE: When Chefs Attack - Avoid Vittorios Palm Desert - Tue, 01/16/07 10:52 PM
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Oh my God!

... Luckily it was the smaller, German cockroach variety, not like it makes it that much better




I'm picturing the goose-stepping, straight-arm-saluting cockroach army in the old Fat Freddy's Cat cartoon.
Vittorios would make a *great* subject for a underground comic.


Oh, I LOVE Fat Freddy's cat! Only on Roadfood...