Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet

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MilwFoodlovers
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Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 4:31 PM
A friend sent me this which is just fantastic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmM_UPU7bcY

Here's the text of what came with it:

Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world... Su-30MKI- Vectored Thrust with Canards. As you watch this airplane, look at the canards moving along side of, and just below the canopy rail. The "canards" are the small wings forward of the main wings.? The smoke and contrails provide a sense of the actual flight path, sometimes in reverse direction.

This video is of an in-flight demonstration flown by the Russian's-30MK fighter aircraft.? You will not believe what you are about to see.

The fighter can stall from high speed, stopping forward motion in seconds.
(full stall). Then it demonstrates an ability to descend tail first without causing a compressor stall. It can also recover from a flat spin in less than a minute.

These maneuver capabilities don't exist in any other aircraft in the world today.. Take a look at the video with the sound up. This aircraft is of concern to U.S. and NATO planners. We don't know which nations will soon be flying the SU-30MK, hopefully China isn't one of them..

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Note:

Friends worked with advanced aircraft flight control systems and concepts for many years as an extension of stability control and means of control.
Canards and vectored thrust were among many concepts examined to extend our fighter aircraft performance. Neither our current or next generation aircraft now poised for funding & production can in any way match the performance of this Russian aircraft NOW FLYING in any near combat situation.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 5:11 PM
Impressive

I still love watching these[url='http://www.f22-raptor.com/media/video_gallery/videos/F22_AirShow_Langley.wmv']BIRDS[/url] fly over head at my dad's.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 5:17 PM
It is one hell of an aircraft, for sure. Early versions were comparable to the F15E; the added canards and thrust vectoring of the MKI, along with modern avionics and newer engines, validate the power of the design of the original SU-27.

In mock combat, American pilots vs American pilots, the Su-30-MK (not the newer MKI) defeated the F15E 9-1.

IMO the real difference will always be pilot and tactics.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 5:21 PM
"Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world"

Sorry MFL but I doubt that.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 5:40 PM
JohnA, "I" never said that, let's be clear on that. Still, do we have any fighters that are better? I'm curious. I'm seeing that variations of this fighter have been around since 1996 and here's a clip of one crashing at The Paris Air Show in 1999 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL2oiW96PEE yet if we have the #1 fighter in the world, what model is it?

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 5:45 PM
NEVER underestimate the Russians.

EDIT: And never trust them.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 9:54 PM
quote:
Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world.

Is curtains for moose and squirrel.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 02/1/08 11:05 PM
It is one hell of an airplane. But in a world where speed is life, the ability to stop and "cobra strike" is worthless. Situational awareness wins air battles. Someone is going to shoot someone else down from 50 miles away. The F-22 Raptor's stealth capability gives it a huge edge in the factors that really matter. Again, a superior pilot with superior awareness is much more important than being in a plane that has incrementally better performance.

And anyhow, these are weapons for the last war. These types of weapons will most likely never face each other, ever again. During WW2 the powers built hundreds of thousands of fighter planes; Germany built over 30,000 Me-109s alone! There are a few hundred SU30MKIs, and 91 Raptors. There are fewer than 1000 F-15A/B/C/Ds (not counting Strike Eagles). There are 217 Strike Eagles.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 02/2/08 12:23 AM
OUR F22 will blow it out of the sky 25 miles away.hmmm I hope so....
remember when we were lending money to Russia......stupid move.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 02/2/08 7:35 AM
Tomcats could shoot down from 40-50 miles away and they're retired. We know about the Raptor, what's on the boards we are not aware of?

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 02/2/08 8:24 AM
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Originally posted by John A

Tomcats could shoot down from 40-50 miles away and they're retired. We know about the Raptor, what's on the boards we are not aware of?

Actually the AIM-54 Phoenix Missle used on the F-14 had a range in excess of 100 nautical miles.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-54.htm

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 02/2/08 10:12 AM
Since my initial posting, I did a little internet sleuthing. It seems that India has invested heavily into the plane.Following joint manuevers, the Indians invited the American pilots to try them out for themselves. By all accounts the Americans were blown away and felt the Su-30MKI superior. That said, it appears the days of the one on one dogfights are gone the way of the flintlock. As several posters noted, any battles will be done at a great distance and our Stealth fighter-bomber should easily prevail.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 02/2/08 12:54 PM

John posted this link some time back, looks like the Raptor was accomplishing the same manuevers, or not?

http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23126&SearchTerms=raptor


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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 02/2/08 1:23 PM
This wasn't the article I read yesterday but it dealt with the subject somewhat http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-2735-start-30.html
Watching these two video's I'm struck with the thought of what would Wilbur, Orville, Charles, Amelia, Willy, Billy and the other aviation pioneers think if they could have watched these video's?
120 feet, 10 feet off the ground in Kitty Hawk was flown only a little over 105 years ago!

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Mon, 02/4/08 8:31 AM
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Originally posted by MilwFoodlovers

This wasn't the article I read yesterday but it dealt with the subject somewhat http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-2735-start-30.html
Watching these two video's I'm struck with the thought of what would Wilbur, Orville, Charles, Amelia, Willy, Billy and the other aviation pioneers think if they could have watched these video's?
120 feet, 10 feet off the ground in Kitty Hawk was flown only a little over 105 years ago!

I have often wondered what people thought when they saw their first airplane back in the day. My grandmother was born in 1899, and lived until 1987. During her time we went from riding a horse to landing men on the moon. From counting on your fingers to IBM computers. While we often think that the world is changing quickly, I think it must have been unbelieveable to them.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Tue, 06/18/13 6:03 AM
The Paris Airshow is on now. I've seen little on the news or in the papers. The most "exciting" stuff is sort of dull from a TV standpoint. A picture of a new fighter flying is more exciting than GE using composits in the hot section of an airliner engine, to save fuel. It would be exciting to see a new fighter, but I expect that the best ones are secret and hidden. My daughter saw the Amherst, Mass UFO a few weeks ago. Lots of folks have seen it and it doesn't even make the news. While I do think that there is other life "out there", I expect that most if not all of the UFOs are man made. I'd like to see some of them showing up at the Paris Airshow..............now THAT would make the front page.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Thu, 06/20/13 5:49 PM
Woo Hoo Sukhoi Flanker-H  !

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 06/21/13 12:22 AM
I just tried to watch the Video and it's "Unavailable"

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 06/21/13 9:26 AM
The "bottom line" here is that, at taxpayer expense, our "military-industrial complex" develops technology that the Russians and Chinese steal while our TSA is looking up the skirts of elderly females trying to board a passenger plane on a wheelchair. 
 
We do not develop the technology because "we" need to see that everyone who wants one has a cell phone.  Absent our "civilized" priorities, they do.  OOPS!
 
My goodness, what would Eisenhower (Conquerer of the Nazis and Enforcer of Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, KS), JFK, or LBJ say about our present circumstance?
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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 06/21/13 6:42 PM
Here is the bad boy.  Quite impressive, I must say.
 


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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 06/22/13 7:19 AM
Another cool website to check out:
 
www.shipshooter.com
 

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 06/22/13 7:25 AM
The paper had a Paris Airshow picture of the "new" Su-35 yesterday. It's an update that is expected to sell about 100 export copies. It is said to be cheap (in aircraft terms), fast, and very reliable/easy to maintain. It is certainly good looking and very large, and as long as it doesn't have to face modern U.S. airpower, should have a long service life. 

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 06/22/13 8:28 AM
tmiles


The paper had a Paris Airshow picture of the "new" Su-35 yesterday. It's an update that is expected to sell about 100 export copies. It is said to be cheap (in aircraft terms), fast, and very reliable/easy to maintain. It is certainly good looking and very large, and as long as it doesn't have to face modern U.S. airpower, should have a long service life. 


It appears that Putin steals more than just Super Bowl rings!

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Tue, 06/25/13 4:23 PM
I don't know what is more upsetting, 1/ that a world leader would feel a need to steal a ring, or 2/ that our State Dept would ask the rightful owner to let it go. 

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Tue, 06/25/13 4:39 PM
Do you think that with lasers, missiles, drones and other strange new weapons of war that high energy consuming fast jets will continue to be the norm.  Missiles that fire from drones, huge Navy planes and from other missiles appears to be more effective.  Lasers fired from incredible distance or missiles and lasers fired from satellites and now not only feasible but designed and apparently ready for use.
 
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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 06/28/13 11:14 AM
I don't know , Paul. Twenty years ago when I still qualified for a subscription to Aviation Week, I stayed up to date on non classified aviation matters. As a reserve officer, I was really up to date on Marine Corps aviation.
 
Today, my info comes from the mass market news press, and military thriller fiction, written by folks likes like  Bond, or Brown.
 
The USA F-22, is so far advanced that it was not even used in the last wars, because it had no potential foe. It went out of production early, because we were going to build more/cheaper F-35s. The F-35 has morphed into our most expensive weapons system, as we have asked for ever more complicated versions. I obviously have a soft spot for the Marine version, but there is a building undertone of whispers, ".....can we afford it??"
 
My ideas in the debate of what we can afford to build, is just one more uninformed opinion. I just hope that we build "enough" (whatever that number is) of the F-35s to last us to the time when we can build cheap unmanned fighters. There is a downside to that future........... Today only responsible countries with strong governments operate many new generation fighters. When the time comes that a 3rd world tin hat can obtain cheap, world ranging, weapons delivery drones, its gonna really suck. At 62, I don't expect to see it, but I'd bet that my kids will. 
 
 

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Fri, 06/28/13 2:20 PM
Nixon nailed it when he called us (the U.S.) a "pitiful, helpless giant".
 
Any one of our Ohio Class subs can devaste a continent.  Our ICBM fields can  ... our B-2's can ...
 
I'm speechless.

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 07/13/13 9:22 AM
Last night I saw the new Eurofighter on "How It's Made". It, too, has the front canards that allow the same quick change in attitude as the SU-30MKI.  At a cool $100 mil each, it makes the $35 mil Marine version of the F-35 look cheap.
 
Update Dec 13. I saw in the paper that the early Marine F-35s will be a cool $100 mil each too. With the total buy now being WAY reduced, I doubt that it will ever get down to $35 mil. The Marines are getting the first F-35s because the old AV8s, although still effective, are getting horribly expensive to maintain.
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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Mon, 07/15/13 11:27 PM
the video is no longer available...

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RE: Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet - Sat, 01/25/14 2:07 PM
An update on costs. Earlier in this thread I commented on the F-35 which was hoped to be a low cost, all purpose fighter for the USA and it's friends. I have come across updated cost info that gives new costs based on expected buys. The cost includes the aircraft, pro rata R&D, and initial spares. Because of the high R&D component, the cost will rise rapidly if numbers are further reduced.
 
The F-35, A or B version $161 (mil)
For comparison
KC-130J tanker $101
CH-53K Heavy Helicopter $133
MV-22B Osprey $117
UH-1Y (way updated 60s Huey) $36
AH-1Z (a way updated Cobra) $36
Except for the Osprey these planes have been in production, with earlier models, for years.  
 
Another comparison:
The Marines are in the process of replacing the SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) with the IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle). The total buy will be about 3000 units. In 2008 H&K was awarded the production contract for $23.4 mil, which is less than the cost for a single unit of the Marines cheapest helicopter. The debate is still going on if the IAR was a smart buy. (No R&D here, as H&K had it on the shelf)
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