Rosé Wine

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Sandy Thruthegarden
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2008/04/12 18:27:23
Can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced, rosé wine? We used to drink Bonny Doon Vin Gris de Cigare with traditional fondue, but it seems to have become cloying sweet. We'd like something fruity but not too sweet.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 07:10:36
What price range are you looking for?
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 07:51:40
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiDon

What price range are you looking for?


Under $20.00 would be good.
MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 08:50:31
I have had good luck with French Cotes de Provence roses not being at all sweet. I'd like to tell you which one to buy, but sometimes my mind is like a sieve - I should take notes. I do have a Chateau Barbeiranne 2006 and a Commanderie de Peyrassol 2006 on hand, but I haven't tasted them yet. The former was $13.99, and the latter was $20.99.

If you don't need the results very soon (like, before noon), I would be happy to do a comparison tasting with my wife.
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 10:25:27
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiDon

I have had good luck with French Cotes de Provence roses not being at all sweet. I'd like to tell you which one to buy, but sometimes my mind is like a sieve - I should take notes. I do have a Chateau Barbeiranne 2006 and a Commanderie de Peyrassol 2006 on hand, but I haven't tasted them yet. The former was $13.99, and the latter was $20.99.

If you don't need the results very soon (like, before noon), I would be happy to do a comparison tasting with my wife.


Don,

No emergency but I would appreciate knowing the results of your comparison tasting, if that wouldn't be a burden.

MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 11:31:12
You might enjoy one of the better Greek roditis (avoid cheaper ones like the plague). A few French choices might be Chateau Routas Rouvière Rosé, Mas De Gourgonnier Rose, Domaine de la Courtade L'Alycastre Rose, Chateau de Trinquevedel Tavel Rose Vignoble Demoulin to name a few. The French have quite a few excellent Rosé wines but because of the low quality or sweet California products out there they aren't as readily available. For summertime drinking I enjoy the Spanish Cava rosé sparklers too.
MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 11:39:52
I second the suggestion of the above-mentioned Tavel Rose
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/13 17:26:43
This is great. Thank you both. We're gonna have fun trying out your recommendations this summer.
jmckee
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 11:20:01
Eye of the Toad, from Toad Hollow.

I bought it like I buy wines sometimes: I liked the name and the label, plus I'd had good luck with their output before.

This is a good, true, dry rose. I recommend it most highly. I got it at Kroger, which means it's pretty widely available.
KOK
Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 15:58:58
Sadly, this was the first thing I thought of. VERY popular with lat 1970's adolescents.

Kevin

http://eng.sogrape.pt/marcas/1/historia
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 17:51:18
That Mateus was our introduction to "fine wine" n the '50s, when we used to make spritzers of it with club soda. Eventually we became "sophisticated" enough to drink the stuff straight. I have fond memories of Mateus on warm Summer afternoons and evenings sharing bottles with friends - many of whom are long gone from our world. The price was right, it came in a bottle with an interesting form, and it tasted just great - I'll have to buy a bottle and see how it tastes to my jaded senses now...

Cheers, John
Sandy Thruthegarden
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RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 18:45:43
jmckee - I've seen Eye of the Toad at Kroger and at the Party Town in Florence. We'll give it a try.


KOK and seafarer john - I have some bad Mateus memories from the late '60s/early '70s, so I think I'll give that a pass. I can feel the headache starting just from the memory.
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 19:07:16
I suppose this is out then too!


seafarer john
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 21:12:30
I once hosted a party (c. 1965) at which everyone was instructed to bring a bottle of the most atrocious wine-like product they could find - Wild Irish Rose was among the offerings - along with Night Train Express, Annie Green Sleeves, and I dont want t remember the rest. Talk about hangover!!!!

Cheers, John
CCJPO
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RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 21:22:53
Well if Wild Irish Rose can't be there, then I guess Bali Hai won't be on your menu other/ anyone for Blue Nun mixed with an inexpensive (read cheap) lambrusco.
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/15 21:40:02
Don't forget Fred and his wine choice for guests, Pagan Pink Ripple!

Can you believe that no one can turn up a decent picture on the entire internet?
I mean people on eBay sell 30 year old unopened boxes of cereal (why did someone save that?) but no one has a Ripple in their cellar!
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 08:13:36
Ack!!! Lambrusco!

I have never had Wild Irish Rose ( or Four Roses, either) but I'm sure I had Mad Dog 20/20 back in the '60s.

Seafarer John. That sounds like a hairy buffalo party. You mix a lot of different wines and liquors together and the resulting "punch" is referred to as hairy buffalo. I only attended one of those but I remember the day after (there was no morning after). But that's when all my internal organs were young. Now I'd just like something tasty with dinner.
Trotter59
Junior Burger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 09:22:11
Here is a funny taste test of 11 cheap wines.
For the taste test, we gathered 11 different bottles of wine: five of Mad Dog (Hawaiian Blue, Lightning Creek, Pink Grapefruit, Red Grape Wine and Wild Berry), two Boone's (Snow Creek Berry and Strawberry Hill), two Wild Irish Rose varieties (regular and White Label), a bottle of Thunderbird and a bottle of Night Train. Then we tasted. Here's the findings:

Out of the 11 samples, Boone's Snow Creek Berry was the best tasting of all the samples, but to no surprise. The lightly carbonated drink is only about five percent alcohol, while many of the other samples had more than three times that amount. It was sweet, fruity and fresh, and the taste of alcohol was almost non-existent.

Boone's Strawberry Hill variety ranked No. 2 on the list, weighing in at 7.5 percent alcohol. The alcohol was a bit more prevalent and the wine had a bit of a sharp taste - drinkable, yet not as enjoyable as the Snow Creek Berry. Again though, the relatively small amount of alcohol almost nullifies Boone's from the contest, and forces it to stand alone in its own lightweight wine category.

The Mad Dog flavors were the next most successful in the taste test, with the Pink Grapefruit flavor ranking No. 3, after the weaker Boone's. At 13.5 percent alcohol, Pink Grapefruit was fairly smooth and had less of a church-wine taste than the rest of the MD 20/20 flavors. It was tangy and not too sweet, for a somewhat refreshing flavor.

Wild Berry Mad Dog (13.5 percent alcohol) was the next best, but was quite sweet and sharp and had a lasting aftertaste. Mad Dog's Red Grape Wine (18 percent alcohol) followed at No. 5, the first drink to ever make me hurl. The wine was quite sweet, a bit dry and very grapey, but still drinkable. At No. 6 was Lightning Creek (17 percent alcohol), the clear variety of Mad Dog for all of you who don't like artificial colors in your food. The smell of rubbing alcohol and a taste of watered-down alcohol made this selection the turning point in the tasting, and the wines went downhill from here.

Next in line was the potent Thunderbird (18 percent alcohol) - with "An American Classic" as the slogan on the bottle. With its strong alcohol flavor, Thunderbird is strong at first taste, but it doesn't linger on the palate as much as some of the other selections, mainly the Wild Irish Rose and the Hawaiian Blue Mad Dog, which followed Thunderbird for a No. 8 ranking. With its 2,000 Flushes aqua blue color, alcohol flavor and a hint of coconut, Hawaiian Blue coats your system like a good bathtub scum, with its only redeeming quality being it's a pretty color.

Wild Irish Rose Wine (18 percent) ranked in at No. 9, with its red color, hint of grape flavor and plain taste. Not very tasty, to say the least. The infamous Night Train (18 percent) pulled into the station at No. 10, pushing a train wreck for anyone who could top of the entire bottle of wine. It had a rather nasty, pungent and incarcerating taste and side effects to back up its poor reputation.

Coming in last was Wild Irish Rose's White Label (18 percent alcohol), a harsh, sharp and brutal wine without any flavor whatsoever. The White Label produced breath of fire, and left nothing to be desired.

For all its worth, cheap wine still has its virtues, even if it doesn't have a very desirable taste. All but the Boone's could probably get you drunk for less than the price of the average beer at the average bar. So if drunk's what you want, and $3 is all you've got, a not-so-good bottle of wine is all you need to cure those sobriety blues. "All aboard
Trotter59
Junior Burger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 09:45:32
quote:
Originally posted by MilwFoodlovers

Don't forget Fred and his wine choice for guests, Pagan Pink Ripple!

Can you believe that no one can turn up a decent picture on the entire internet?
I mean people on eBay sell 30 year old unopened boxes of cereal (why did someone save that?) but no one has a Ripple in their cellar!


You're right the best I could find is a copy of the label.
http://www.ghettowine.com/ripple/paganpink.html
soozycue520
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 17:37:14
This is the rose' we sell where I work. It's a dry rose'.

http://winelibrary.com/reviewwine.asp?DCMP=froogle&item=33164
uncledaveyo
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 18:32:04
I carry a killer Rose of Petite Sirah at my shop for $14. Branham Estate Napa 2007. If I had a website to plug I would. I do ship anywhere in the USA though.
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 18:32:40
quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

This is the rose' we sell where I work. It's a dry rose'.

http://winelibrary.com/reviewwine.asp?DCMP=froogle&item=33164


Thanks, soozycue. Do you happen to know where I can buy it in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area?
Russ Jackson
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 18:35:05
1978 Strawberry Hill from the Gentleman at Boones Farm...Russ
soozycue520
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RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 19:19:17
quote:
Originally posted by Sandy Thruthegarden

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

This is the rose' we sell where I work. It's a dry rose'.

http://winelibrary.com/reviewwine.asp?DCMP=froogle&item=33164


Thanks, soozycue. Do you happen to know where I can buy it in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area?


Follow this link, put in city, state or zip - put rose' in search varietals, and it will give you retailers that sell it. When I put in Covington, it gave me Dick's Liquors. Cincinnati gave me Fresh Market in Oakley and Biggs in Hyde Park, among others.

Good luck, and happy drinking!!


http://www.ste-michelle.com/findwine.cfm?x_brand_id=1
leethebard
Sirloin
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 19:34:24
How about a good '68 Ripple!
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/16 21:02:24
quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

quote:
Originally posted by Sandy Thruthegarden

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

This is the rose' we sell where I work. It's a dry rose'.

http://winelibrary.com/reviewwine.asp?DCMP=froogle&item=33164


Thanks, soozycue. Do you happen to know where I can buy it in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area?


Follow this link, put in city, state or zip - put rose' in search varietals, and it will give you retailers that sell it. When I put in Covington, it gave me Dick's Liquors. Cincinnati gave me Fresh Market in Oakley and Biggs in Hyde Park, among others.

Good luck, and happy drinking!!


http://www.ste-michelle.com/findwine.cfm?x_brand_id=1



That worked...Dick's Liquors in Covington! I work in Covington. I'll pick up a bottle Friday evening on my way home. Thanks.
fischgrape
Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/20 23:16:29
Sandy,

You would do well to heed the suggestions of MilwFoodlovers, because those were the wines that I was going to suggest.

The most important things to remember are that 1) pink wine is rarely, nor should it be considered, serious wine and B) warmer parts of Old World countries tend to produce the best pink wines.

So, $20 is very expensive for rose. And think about why Provence wines are 70% pink...lotsa Mediterranean fish, tomatoes, olives and garlic, but most of the grapes that survive down there are red. You still want a chilled refreshing wine for fish stew? Chilled rose will be better than a full-bodied red.

Last thing: while I tend to recommend European dry roses (and try Sancerre Rose if you can get it...it's a rose of Pinot Noir), most of the California wine makers who use Rhone grape varieties make rose. Finally, scratch the surface of most American wine professionals and you will find a rose lover underneath. Just ask the right people...all you have to say is 'I want some great pink wine' and they will help you.

Cheers,

john
uncledaveyo
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RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/25 18:53:39
Fischgrape - everyone is making Rose here in California now, not just the Rhone producers, due to the increasing prevelance of Saignée to intensify the Red wines. The resulting pink juice is used to make Rose. I taste about 3000 wines a year for my "job" and many are these new-era Roses.

And like many other discussions on price - $20 for a Rose being expensive is subjective.
fischgrape
Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/25 22:09:04
Uncledave,

I agree that the $20 mark could be considered somewhat subjective, but looking at the Old World model of how rosé is used, it's almost always considered a daily drinker and should therefore be relatively affordable. I'll defer to you on the number of wines you taste a year, but in my years as a wine buyer and sommelier, I can't recall a rosé that was created specifically for its aging potential, which is often a major factor leading to higher prices.

I know that saignée has been used for a while by California winemakers to make their reds bigger and still sell the by-product (as has Tony Soter with his somewhat rare rosé of Pinot Noir), but I still think that the idea of a $48 rosé would ruffle my feathers. Perhaps it's just that I have such negative memories of the very expensive Domaine Ott rosé which is supposed to be "The Rolls-Royce of Rosés," but never really blew my skirt up.

I have a strange feeling that we would agree on a lot of vinous matters, but I still kinda think that rosé should be affordable, fun, delicious, and decidedly not-so-serious.

On a side note, I'm coming out to Sonoma tomorrow night, and will be doing some vineyard visits. We're eating at Syrah Bistro on Sunday night, but I'll come to your place of business if possible, and if it's a place where I can get a glass of wine.

Cheers,

john
Sandy Thruthegarden
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/26 08:15:02
quote:
Originally posted by fischgrape

Sandy,

You would do well to heed the suggestions of MilwFoodlovers, because those were the wines that I was going to suggest.

The most important things to remember are that 1) pink wine is rarely, nor should it be considered, serious wine and B) warmer parts of Old World countries tend to produce the best pink wines.

So, $20 is very expensive for rose. And think about why Provence wines are 70% pink...lotsa Mediterranean fish, tomatoes, olives and garlic, but most of the grapes that survive down there are red. You still want a chilled refreshing wine for fish stew? Chilled rose will be better than a full-bodied red.

Last thing: while I tend to recommend European dry roses (and try Sancerre Rose if you can get it...it's a rose of Pinot Noir), most of the California wine makers who use Rhone grape varieties make rose. Finally, scratch the surface of most American wine professionals and you will find a rose lover underneath. Just ask the right people...all you have to say is 'I want some great pink wine' and they will help you.

Cheers,

john


john-

Some years ago my husband (BillC) and I stayed with a family in Provence. It was August, and we ate dinner with the family at a table on the patio nearly every evening. They invariabley served a light, fruity rosé that went well with everything. We came upon their stock of wine, and the rosé was a box wine... inexpensive, and definitely not serious, but perfect for dinner al fresco on a warm summer evening. I'm looking to find the same sort of "utility" rosé . I haven't had the chance to shop this past week, but plan to follow up on recommendations from MilwFoodlovers and soozycue520 next week. I will also look into a California rosé as you suggest.

Sandy
Theedge
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/04/26 08:44:19
Hah, I've got a story about a trip to Canada, a double decker bus, our first bag of weed, and more then one bottle of Red Mateus. The story goes on for about another 20 years, now I drink coffee. Good times, good times.

I always did like the wine with the Toad on the bottle though. Loved the cartoon as well "Mr. Toad Rides Again!" Classic.
uncledaveyo
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/09/11 23:43:23
That seemed suspiciously like a plug. Moderator?
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/09/12 09:25:44
In the past few weeks our favorite local wine shop has been pushing a variety of Rose's. We've had two from South Africa that were very nice and only about $12 - fruity with just a hint of sugar. Last week I bought a $11 Spanish rose' that went well with our baked ham, and I have on hand a $12 bottle of Provencal Rose' ( 40% Grenanche,30% Syrah,30% Cinsault) imported by Routas USA, a California outfit.. I think the most expensive bottle in our local store's collection was about $18, which was a price both the merchant and I agreed was a bit much for a Rose'.

Years ago we used to buy an inexpensive California Grenache Rose' ( must have been at least 75% Grenache) - I haven't seen anything like it in our local stores for years. It was cheap and a bit sweet and was a great quaff cold on a hot Summer evening.

Cheers, John
Poverty Pete
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/09/12 16:55:41
quote:
Originally posted by MilwFoodlovers

I suppose this is out then too!




When I was a truck driver in the 80's, I once drove to the Wild Irish Rose bottling plant to pick up a load. It was out in the middle of a field, in South Carolina, I think. Very strange place.
In high school, in the late 60's, I thought I was quite sophisticated when I latched onto a bottle of Mateus.
leethebard
Sirloin
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/09/12 17:29:01
We drank Rose in the 70's...I outgrew the sweetness of it!!
fischgrape
Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/07 23:48:37
Lee, you need to try some of the roses from Italy, France and Spain. They are mostly dry and fantastic with a broad range of food. In fact, the other night I made a screamin' hot Thai curry and the pink wine was perfect with it.

john
Grillnut
Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/08 16:12:27
Over the summer we enjoyed a few bottles of Pedroncelli Zinfandel Rosé and Domaine Jean Bousquet Rose. The Pedroncelli was a little on the sweet side, the Domaine Jean Bousquet not so much. Neither came close to being as syrupy sweet as the bargain-shelf white zin most folks think of when they think of pink wine.
leethebard
Sirloin
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/08 16:25:44
You guys have encouraged me to give it a try...Thanks!!!
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/08 17:54:53
That stuff called "white Zinfandel" has no relationship to "Rose'" - it is atrocious stuff that gives a bad name to both Zinfandel and Rose'.

Cheers, John
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/08 18:31:24
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiDon

I second the suggestion of the above-mentioned Tavel Rose


And I "third" it!
SeamusD
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/12 13:31:50
quote:
Originally posted by Sandy Thruthegarden
That worked... Dick's Liquors in Covington!


No way! Did they think about the name before they put it on the store?
SeamusD
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/12 13:34:46
quote:
Originally posted by seafarer john

That stuff called "white Zinfandel" has no relationship to "Rose'" - it is atrocious stuff that gives a bad name to both Zinfandel and Rose'.

Cheers, John


I second that emotion. I like red zin, but white is just as you put, atrocious.

I haven't tried rose in quite a while, I usually stick to dry reds or whites, I'll take some of the suggestions here to the liquor store tomorrow and see what I can find.
WarToad
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RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/12 14:45:37
Chateau St. Michelle has a "Dry Rose" that I tried on a whim and ended up really likeing. Many Rose's suffer (to me) from being overly sweet. They range from sweet to semi-sweet. This Dry Rose isn't truely dry, it still holds a pleasant slight sweetness to it, but far less that some of the other Rose's out there.

http://www.ste-michelle.com/wines/columbia_valley/nellies_garden_dry_rose.cfm

I believe it's in the $12-15 zone and it's well worth a try for something a littly different in the Rose world.
Twinwillow
Sirloin
RE: Rosé Wine 2008/12/12 15:44:43
quote:
Originally posted by Theedge

Hah, I've got a story about a trip to Canada, a double decker bus, our first bag of weed, and more then one bottle of Red Mateus. The story goes on for about another 20 years, now I drink coffee. Good times, good times.

I always did like the wine with the Toad on the bottle though. Loved the cartoon as well "Mr. Toad Rides Again!" Classic.


Weed????