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MikeS.
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Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 2:03 AM
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Up until about 3 years ago I had never cared for any of the dark liquors, whiskeys, how ever you care to spell it.

But then I won a half pint of Bourbon as a door prize at the last crab fest held in Baltimore, Md. brought by Al and Janet. So I tried it and found that I had gotten old enough to enjoy it.

At some time after finishing that bottle I bought another bottle. Which my youngest daughter's BF drank for me, that no good so and so. So then I held a discussion here with Al and a few others and it was recommended that I try Knob Creek. Which I did and I liked it even better.

So last night I was at the liquor store to stock up the liquor cabinet, I got a bonus check this week and was feeling flush. A liquor distributor was there and we got to talkiing. He made several suggestions of different brands to try of different types of booze.

One of his suggestions based on my stated like of Knob Creek was for Woodford Reserve. So I bought 2 minis of that and tried them at home last night on the rocks. It was very tasty and smooth. So I guess when the fifth of Knob Creek runs out I'll buy this instead.

Yes I know, they haven't been fifths or half pints for 20+ years but I do still call them that. I don't know why booze is metric while everything else we use is English.

As for stocking up I bought a half-gallon each of Bombay Saphire, Patron silver and I forget the name of the vodka he recommended. He said it was very close to Grey Goose but half the price. Vodka is the only booze I'm not real fussy about.

He did make some Scotch recommends but the store didn't have any small bottles of those for me to try. I don't know if I like Scotch so i'm not going to buy a big bottle until I find out.

Cheers ya'all.

Oh, I did buy my oldest a 50ml mini of Patron as a gag gift. :)

If you like tequila, don't try Patron. It is expensive and very tasty. You won't want to go back to Cuervo ever again. Then you'll be cussing me because of the price. It makes the BEST Margarita's I've ever had.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 7:52 AM
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I'm not much for hard liquor at all, except high end tequilla (which is very smooth, unlike the bottom end), and very peaty scotch.

And I'm all for the metric system. It's so much easier to use than the antiquated ad-hoc system we currently use.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 8:15 AM
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I like Knob Creek, but Woodford Reserve is fine and Buffalo Trace does a fine Bourbon also.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 8:32 AM
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Originally posted by MikeS.
Yes I know, they haven't been fifths or half pints for 20+ years but I do still call them that. I don't know why booze is metric while everything else we use is English.



It's yet another thing we can thank Jimmy Carter for! (Remember when major league ballparks had the distance to the wall in both feet and meters? Wow! Willie Stargell must have hit that 179 meters! YIKES!!!)

One of his brother Billy's many quotable comments was: "I stopped trusting my brother when he switched from Bourbon to Scotch."!

IMHO Evan Williams Black Label - about $18.00 for 1.75 liters - is the best value on liquor store shelves.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 9:57 AM
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Wild Turkey Bourbon!

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 10:28 AM
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If you're not used to the heavier bourbons, you might want to try Bakers. It's a bit lighter but still has a nice flavor. Van Winkles puts out a very nice Family Reserve, a tad expensive for everyday but great on special occassions. Thier Rye is very smooth. I like Woodford Reserve. But if you're ever near Bardstown, Kentucky, you should do the Bourbon Trail and try all the different brands. Here's a link. http://www.kybourbontrail.com

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 10:33 AM
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Evan Williams Black is a great value. The green is pretty good , too. Ezra Brooks 90 proof is also good.
In scotch, try Grants or White Horse, for good value

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 10:47 AM
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Maker's Mark Bourbon for me. And Teacher's Highland Cream Scotch is smooth and easy going down. Each with a little branch water on rocks, while prepping dinner, makes me happy.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 10:51 AM
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If you can find it, Pikesville rye has an unusual, complex flavor profile, also very good value

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 12:00 PM
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Makers Mark and Eagle Rare get my vote.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 3:26 PM
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Teacher's is my favorite Scotch - but it is a bit hard to find around here - i think it has something to do with the distributer. They have way too much power here in NYState.

I probably shouldn't comment on Vodkas because I never drink the tasteless stuff (well, sometimes we make a Bloody Mary, and I sometimes pour a bit in my tomato sauce), but it seems to me that seeing as it's only alcohol and water with no added flavor it shouldn't matter if you buy the cheapest or the most expensive. Also, a while ago, Cook's Magazine had a bit on how to make the cheap stuff taste as good as the more expensive - it had to do with pouring it thru a charcoal filter such as you can buy at the hardware store for filtering water. Seems like a waste to me, but if you think you can taste a difference it just might work out for your pocketbook.

Cheers, John



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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 3:37 PM
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My go to bourbon any more is Elijah Craig. Very good for the price. But there are lots of good bourbons out there. Maker's Mark, Four Rose's, Booker's...

I am a bit spoiled though, living here in bourbon country.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 3:54 PM
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I usually go for Maker's, but will sometimes splurge for Wild Turkey Rare Breed.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 3:56 PM
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I'm a Jack Daniels drinker, myself.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 4:00 PM
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"Jack" and I go back to the mid sixties...love that sour mash!!!!

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 4:10 PM
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Jack Daniels is whiskey, not bourbon.

Is Jack Daniel's a bourbon?
Jack Daniel's is not a bourbon - it's a Tennessee Whiskey. Jack Daniel's is dripped slowly - drop-by-drop - through ten feet of firmly packed charcoal (made from hard sugar maple) before going into new charred oak barrels for aging. This special process gives Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey its rare smoothness. It's this extra step - charcoal mellowing – that makes Jack Daniel's a Tennessee Whiskey.



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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 4:31 PM
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Thanks ya'all a lot of good suggestions.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 4:32 PM
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well.yeah..As I said it's sour mash...says so on the label...sour mash whiskey...even in the 60's we'd correct people who'd call it a bourbon!!! Jack Daniel's lovers feel the need often to point out it's a great Tennessee sippin' whiskey!!

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 4:39 PM
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WarToad, why do you like the metric system for booze? Since we use the English for everything else in this country. I buy a gallon of milk, not 4 liters. I buy a pint of half and half, not 500ml. Just examples.

We either need to change to metric or not. Just not try to do both on a very limited basis for the metric system.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 4:56 PM
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JTS Brown...Russ

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 5:18 PM
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I drink Woodford Reserve, myself. Used to drink Maker's Mark. Like them both. Have been to both distilleries.


The Washington Post has an article on the Bourbon Trail in this Sunday's paper -- available online now at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092601862.html


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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 5:39 PM
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

I'm a Jack Daniels drinker, myself.


WHY am I not surprised...?!?!?!

I am just getting to like bourbon, myself. I do like Maker's Mark (and have yet to open the bottle I dipped myself!). I haven't tried Woodford or Knob Creek yet, though I will some day.

Noticed MikeS. bought Bombay Sapphire too - my favorite gin! (I am more of a gin person, myself.)

Having lived here and in the UK I have been forced to be acclimated to both metric & "imperial" (or old school). [Shrug]

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 6:09 PM
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Originally posted by leethebard

"Jack" and I go back to the mid sixties...love that sour mash!!!!

1954 for me.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 09/26/08 10:59 PM
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I buy one bourbon---Makers Mark.

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RE: Bourbon - Sat, 09/27/08 4:06 PM
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Originally posted by Phishmonger

Maker's Mark Bourbon for me. And Teacher's Highland Cream Scotch is smooth and easy going down. Each with a little branch water on rocks, while prepping dinner, makes me happy.


Teachers is one of my very favorite blended scotches. It has a high percentage of single-malt and I like that flavor.

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RE: Bourbon - Sat, 09/27/08 4:21 PM
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I've never been very big on either bourbon or sour mash; though I used to hang around with a bunch of very enthusiastic Old Forrester drinkers.

I do however like Georgia Moon occasionally, an old style corn whisky that's "drunk young". I like its different flavor.

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RE: Bourbon - Sat, 09/27/08 4:50 PM
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I find that many spend large sums of money on all sorts of hard liquor only to destroy the taste by adding mixers. If you are going to do that, save yourself a lot of dough and go for the cheap stuff.
I doubt that few if any could possibly identify any liquor once it is mixed with who knows what.
I really have to laugh sometimes when people order things like Remy Martin with ginger ale, Rum and Coke, Margaritas or whatever and specify brands.
For most part people (including myself) don't have palates that are "educated" enough to tell the difference.
For those in the know Smirnoff Vodka seems to always rate at the top of the taste test but it isn't really cool to go and order Grey Goose? ....Thanks, I'll stick to my Smirnoff I'll enjoy it and laugh at those snobbish enough to throw their money away

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RE: Bourbon - Sat, 09/27/08 11:38 PM
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For the most part I agree with the above^^^ BUT...ya knew that was coming, didn't ya. Vodka, definetely cheap non name brand is ok by me. Pretty much the same with gin mixed with whatever except for the fact that cheap gin almost immediately gives me a headache. So for that reason I drink topshelf gin.

For rum and coke I prefer coconut rum and cherry coke, I buy Cap't Morgan's coconut rum. If at a friends house I'll drink whatever rum he has.

Tequila, up until this summer I always drank Cuervo when mixing it, usually in a Margarita. My oldest was over and she convinced me to make a Margarita out of Patron. My God did that make a difference! So now at home I use Patron for myself and friends. When I'm out it'll depend on how flush I feel.

Bourbon I only drink on the rocks. Scotch I haven't tried yet.

With Brandy I'm spoiled, my Mom had a cousin that was the chief accountant for the Christian Brothers out in Calif. We used to get a half gallon of the very best every year for Christmas. I still have 2 bottles of that wonderful stuff.

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RE: Bourbon - Sun, 09/28/08 12:29 AM
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Buffalo Trace

or Maker's Mark

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RE: Bourbon - Sun, 09/28/08 11:05 PM
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Thanks Bushie, I'll try Buffalo Trace next.

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RE: Bourbon - Wed, 10/1/08 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by MikeS.

Thanks Bushie, I'll try Buffalo Trace next.


I think you'll like it. It's got a fantastic blend of smoothness and flavor, and it costs about 2/3 of the expensive stuff.

After the Glee Club Distillery Trip of 19ought6 (or maybe that was in 2005 or 2006), Poverty Pete and I did an independent tasting of Buffalo Trace and several others we had gathered. After we crawled off the floor the next day, we both agreed that BT was the winner, hands down.

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RE: Bourbon - Wed, 10/1/08 11:56 PM
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I do like Knob Creek, but will drink Wild Turkey 101 if I'm feeling parsimonious. Funny thing is that around here both are priced the same in bars & restaurants.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 10:28 AM
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I was given a bottle of "Old Gristmill Straight American Corn Whiskey", made nearby at the Tuthilltwn distillery. It is unaged, pot distilled, 40% alcohol, clear as water, corn whiskey - about $40 at local package stores. The price is atrocious for unaged booze of any kind, but it is not a bad sippin whiskey, a bit raw, but at 80 roof mild enough to carry a pretty good flavor. I'm thankful for the gift but I dont think I'll be buying any for myself when there's so much really good stuff out there from Kenutcky and Tennessee for less than $40.

Cheers, John

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by leethebard

well.yeah..As I said it's sour mash...says so on the label...sour mash whiskey...even in the 60's we'd correct people who'd call it a bourbon!!! Jack Daniel's lovers feel the need often to point out it's a great Tennessee sippin' whiskey!!


The sour mash has nothing to do with why its a Tennessee whiskey - only the pouring through the maple charcoal is what separates a Tennessee Whiskey from a bourbon.

Almost all bourbons are sour mash whiskeys. Jack Daniels is a sour mash "Tennessee" whiskey, meaning it starts off just like other bourbons as a sour mash whiskey, but is filtered through the sugar maple charcoal. Only Jack Daniels and George Dickel are Tennessee Whiskeys, everything else, including Woodford Reserve, Makers Mark, Knob Creek, Jim Beam, and others, which are all sour mash whiskeys, is bourbon. Some of those brands advertise the sour mash, others don't - they simply say bourbon. Most are straight bourbons, too, but some don't advertise that either. So, one can make a sour mash straight bourbon whiskey, but label it merely as "bourbon.". Woodford, I believe, is the only company to use the Scottish spelling of "whisky." And I'm not sure how they get away with that.

So, "sour mash" is how most bourbon is made. In fact, unless its Jack Daniels or George Dickel, a sour mash is probably bourbon.


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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by seafarer john

I was given a bottle of "Old Gristmill Straight American Corn Whiskey", made nearby at the Tuthilltwn distillery. It is unaged, pot distilled, 40% alcohol, clear as water, corn whiskey - about $40 at local package stores. The price is atrocious for unaged booze of any kind, but it is not a bad sippin whiskey, a bit raw, but at 80 roof mild enough to carry a pretty good flavor. I'm thankful for the gift but I dont think I'll be buying any for myself when there's so much really good stuff out there from Kenutcky and Tennessee for less than $40.

Cheers, John


I believe its, "Old Gristmill American Corn Whiskey" not "Old Gristmill Straight American Corn Whiskey" - the straight, by law, would mean it was aged for at least two years.

I agree with you, though, that it's a tad expensive for what it is. However, it harkens back to the time of making moonshine, when the average joe home distiller, didn't have oak barrels, so they simply drank their "white lighting."

I paid ~$30 for a bottle at a store in the Hudson Valley. And, since, I have an old friend who makes some very smooth moonshine, I thought it wasn't worth 30 bucks. But, if you don't have moonshine readily available, it makes a great conversation piece - so, in that regard, it is worth the money.

BTW: I generally enjoy the products out of Tuthilltown: Hudson River Rum, Manhattan Rye, Bourbon, and even the vodka -which has a wonderful NY flavor, I found enjoyable.


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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 2:14 PM
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Scorereader is correct .I went back to look at the label and there is no "straight" in the name.

I'm glad Scorereader likes the Tuthilltown products and I hope a whole lot of people like and buy the products - I would like this local enterprise to make a go of it and stay around for a good long time. I appreciate the extra expense that goes into
pot distilling where every batch is a whole new operation, but, I can buy better Bourbon, Rum, Apple Brandy , and Vodka than Tuthilltown is producing and at a lesser price, so I'm not planning to buy much of their product. When and if they offer some aged (up to 7 years) product, especially Apple Brandy, I'll be a good customer.

BTW: Ttuhilltown's neighbors are complaining about the "smell" of his operation (an odor most of us booze lovers would welcome and cherish) and have gotten the Dept Environmental Conservation on his case. His response has been that it is good honest corn mash and the neighbors should be happy it's not something laced with chemicals...

Cheers, John

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 3:12 PM
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One Man's Sour-Mash is another Man's Meth-Lab !

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 3:46 PM
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Not technically bourbon, but GEORGE DICKEL is the world's sweetest, smoothest and best. Hand down.
Hard to find right now, there is a shortage of the black label. The brown label is still around.

Once you get "dicked" you'll never be the same.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 10/2/08 3:47 PM
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John:
I found the rum and vodka to be the most distinguishable/unique spirits of their lot. The sweet rum was, to me, different than other jamaican rums, and the vodka had a hint of apple on the palate, but not apple flavored. Apple essence, the way Ciroc has a grape essence. So, I found it unique, and a nice "NY style," if you will, vodka.

LOL on the neightbors. And, Al: very funny.

The neightbors should be glad an eco-friendly company is there and not the old waste dumping companies like American Thermostat in cairo, who dumped noxious chemicals and mercury directly into the ground, poinsoning the water and earth.

My buddy worked at Busch Gardens in VA years back. The apartment they put him up in was across the street from the brewery. There was a constant heavy aroma akin to soudough bread baking in the oven in the air, morning, noon and night. You think you'd get used to it, but, when I visited him, to me it just always smelled like sourdough bread. But, it wasn't unpleasant, at all, just strong.

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RE: Bourbon - Mon, 10/6/08 7:01 PM
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Either Knob Creek or Makers Mark. Both are outstanding. When I visit friends overseas I always take a bottle along for them.

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RE: Bourbon - Sat, 11/29/08 2:29 AM
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I've decided that Woodford reserve is my bourbon of choice. While Knob Creek was good Woodford is smoother to my palate.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/4/08 3:41 PM
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What are people's thoughts on an everyday, mid priced bourbon?

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/4/08 5:13 PM
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Originally posted by Phildelmar

What are people's thoughts on an everyday, mid priced bourbon?


If I'm mixing bourbon with most anything, I use the Evan Williams. Nothing wrong with it.

I also enjoy Jim Beam Black on ice.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/4/08 5:19 PM
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I use Evan Williams or Ezra Brooks for mixing, myself. And you can get the latter in a 100 proof version.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/4/08 5:25 PM
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Originally posted by Phildelmar

What are people's thoughts on an everyday, mid priced bourbon?


After years of "research": Evan Williams Black Label - here in Texas it is, including tax, about $18.00 for 1.75 liters.


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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/4/08 5:36 PM
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For everyday drinking, it's usually Jim Beam & water or in a Manhattan.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 12/19/08 12:19 AM
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I just tried Makers Mark this week and liked it a lot.

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 12/19/08 12:34 AM
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After Jack, it'd me choice # 2 for me!!!

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RE: Bourbon - Tue, 12/23/08 2:25 AM
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Found out I don't like Evan Williams. Too harsh on the palate.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/25/08 10:59 AM
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I drink Evan Williams Green, which seems alittle more gentle. That said, I like it for mixing, rafher than sipping.

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RE: Bourbon - Thu, 12/25/08 2:18 PM
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JTS Brown... Joe

Although I do like Makers. Come to think of it... the worst Bourbon I ever had was wonderful.  :~)


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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 12/26/08 10:21 AM
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I tend to be a "mixer" these days as well. While I used to be more of a "Sipper". Apparently my body wants me to dilute my libations a bit  as I begin my 'Golden Years' !  Vernor's or Mountain Dew is the dilution of choice these days.
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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 12/26/08 12:53 PM
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knob creek is hard to beat

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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 12/26/08 2:15 PM
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My favorite sippin' whiskey happens to be whatever anyone is offering me at the time!  

I always have a bottle of Gentleman Jack at the house, I gifted a bottle of Woodford Reserve to a buddy of mine yesterday which he gladly shared with the group, I happily drink the Knob Creek with my good friend Ron when we can get together, and I am always partial to a nice sip of Maker's Mark with some of my BBQ Brethern.

I do not think you can go wrong with a good whiskey, because you are (hopefully) sharing it with someone whose company you enjoy! That makes it all good.


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RE: Bourbon - Fri, 12/26/08 5:59 PM
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DD,
  I totally agree that the company you keep has a huge impact on the 'quality' of an evening's libation and celebration!
  We are sharing a bottle of Knob Creek with our Sons and Son-in-Law when they come for the Christmas visit (spread over ten evenings). A variety of mixers are available, but most of the boys sip it straight, or with a bit of tapwater.
 
     Janet prepares a large jug of Fuzzy Navels for the Daughter and Daughters-in-Law who desire something stronger than soda to 'Sip' as the evening progresses. Using our local Peaches "pureed" in the OJ and Peach Schnapps mixture adds a local touch and some wonderful Peach flavor.
 
  We also have ready to go (but no taker's so far this season) some Hot Chocolate and Peppermint Schnapps. That warming beverage is called an Alpine and is wonderful on a freezing winter night. Tonight at 6 PM it is 64 degrees and going to be in the 70's tomorrow...so I doubt there will be a call for a 'Fortified Hot Beverage'!!

 We look forward to several more of these family gatherings up to New Years Eve.  With ten adult kids between us (all from previous marriage) and a total as of now, of twenty-three Grandchildren, we try to split the group into nuclear family units with each subset having a night at the Grandparents. This gives us time to really get to know the grandkids a bit, and to relax without trying to deal with 50+ people in the house at one time.
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RE: Bourbon - Sat, 12/27/08 9:32 AM
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Al-The Mayor-Bowen


 
     Janet prepares a large jug of Fuzzy Navels for the Daughter and Daughters-in-Law who desire something stronger than soda to 'Sip' as the evening progresses. Using our local Peaches "pureed" in the OJ and Peach Schnapps mixture adds a local touch and some wonderful Peach flavor.
 
 

Now those fuzzy navels sure sound good.


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RE: Bourbon - Mon, 12/29/08 2:52 PM
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PorkChopExpress-
 
   Thank You. They are great on a summer day, that's for sure. We do them in the winter because the daughters (and in-laws) seem to enjoy them and it is easy to make a batch, and leave the Schnapps out for the kids to enjoy , while the ladies "fortify" theirs wih the adult beverage. So far no-one has asked to increase the alcohol level with a shot of Vodka (as most recipes call for) so everyone seems to be happy and full of good cheer.
  Meantime the gentlemen do a lot of damage to my Knob Creek Supply.

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RE: Bourbon - Sun, 01/4/09 1:08 PM
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Anybody else out there trying Ezra Brooks? The 100 proof version  mixes well