Rutts Hut not that great

I've heard of this place for years and had to try it out. I ordered 4 rippers and 2 well done as well as a chili. The well done dogs weren't bad but the rippers were absolutely disgusting. The chili was about a 6 out of 10

Rich - I would not have ordered the rippers. Did you order them because that was mentioned on tv or do you like a well done hot dog?

The NJ deep fried hot dog is definitely different. It is bland, sort of like bologna, and the texture and the condiments are a big part of the experience.

Personally, I have maintained for many years that our best NJ deep fried hot dog is at Hirum's in Ft. Lee. One big reason being I do not care for the mustard-relish condiment at Rutt's Hut.

Did you get to try Rutt's Hut's onion rings? I never had their chili..Did not even know they make one.

I agree about Rutt's Hut, although I like the mustard/relish. I like deep fried dogs but I prefer all beef to beef/potk dogs. The onion rings at Rutt's are excellent but incredibly greasy.
Personal preference is what makes this site so great, lots of opinions and discussions back and forth. Welcome to Roadfood Richardao1

Dave

I never understood the obsession with Rutts. Went once and absolutely HATED it!! As for the mustard/relish stuff, Hated it too.
Sorry to any/all Rutts fans but i guess it is an aquired taste. And i don't have it.

Oh and my husband ordered chili and they DON"T put it on the dog. They only sell it in cups!!! are you kidding me?????

After I visited RuttsHutt I felt their reputation was really overblown too. I feel more validated now!

Since this place is so controversial, I think that I shall have to visit it!

Here is the Roadfood.com[url='http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Overview.aspx?RefID=1362']review[/url], and here is a photo from it:

I ate at Rutt's Hut for the first time about two months ago with my cousin Johnny. We usually have very similar tastes, but we were split on this place. We both thought the dogs were fine, but he didn't like the relish, while I did.

This reminds, I need to finish that trip report!

It's like opera. We have it on good authority that it is sublime, but not everybody gets it.

The Bear

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Originally posted by ScreenBear

It's like opera. We have it on good authority that it is sublime, but not everybody gets it.

The Bear

This sort of makes it sound like if you don't like opera, you're a dolt because you don't "get it".

Many love opera and many don't, just as many love Rutt's Hutt and many don't.

I like Rutt's Hutt but it's not among my favorites.

Rutt's Hutt is a perfect example of how subjective personal taste can be. I don't know if I've seen any other hot dog rated more often as "the best hot dog in the country". I read opinions on various forums, and also in response to articles such as those in the Wall Street Journal and MSNBC. It seems that there is no middle ground regarding the hot dogs at Rutt's Hut. I'd say that 99% of the time opinions are either highly positive or highly negative. Rarely do you hear of someone saying "it's ok".

To many, it's an aquired taste. Others just don't like milder pork based dogs, or dogs that are fried. And the dog served at Rutt's isn't just a hot dog that has been dropped in oil. It's a frank that is made especially for deep frying. Some ingredients are added that cause the dog to puff up and to withstand the high temperatures of deep fat frying. So many people, after hearing someone describe Rutt's Hut in glowing terms, make the trip, only to discover that they hate the dogs there. My family says the dogs are like shoe leather. My father and brother think they are the best dogs they ever tasted.

I like them, especially with their relish. I don't particularly care for relish and always got my dogs at Rutt's with mustard only. I finally tried the relish and regretted not doing so sooner. It's unique, and like the dogs, you either like it or you don't.

Hot Dog Johnny's is similar in that opinions are wildly varied. I think their dogs are mediocre, and as stated many times, a large part of the appeal at Johnny's is atmosphere, which I discount when judging a hot dog. I can't taste atmosphere.

Rutt's Hut is definitely a place that you have to go to and judge for yourself.

I think this type of hot dog has a small percentage of cereal filler?
Maybe that's what makes them fry well?
I like Rutt's, and many others.

this is why opinions are like .... Everyone has one. And i don't fault anyone for loving it. But it must be like that Opera Bear spoke of, and i don't get it.

Enjoy and to each his own.

Although I've never been to Rutt's Hut, as a person who grew up on the streets of NYC, I'd have to say, I would probably have to "pass" if invited to try a Rutt's Hut dog.
I guess I'm too old fashioned and too used to what I grew up with. I've seen the "ripper" on TV and I would not want to even try one.
However, that said, I would like to try their (famous) relish if given the opportunity.

Rutt's ranks in the top 3 of the worst hot dogs I have ever eaten...onion rings are good.

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Originally posted by Baah Ben

Rich - I would not have ordered the rippers. Did you order them because that was mentioned on tv or do you like a well done hot dog?

The NJ deep fried hot dog is definitely different. It is bland, sort of like bologna, and the texture and the condiments are a big part of the experience.

Personally, I have maintained for many years that our best NJ deep fried hot dog is at Hirum's in Ft. Lee. One big reason being I do not care for the mustard-relish condiment at Rutt's Hut.

Did you get to try Rutt's Hut's onion rings? I never had their chili..Did not even know they make one.

Yeah I always look for these types of places, I'm live in NY on the Island. I travel all over for work and this makes it a little bit of fun to try and find these so called "famous landmarks". The chili at Rutt's had a kick to it but I didn't get to try the onion rings. If you want to try a good chili dog try Skyline I think they are a franchise. I tried a few of the dogs at Skyline in Columbus, Ohio and I have to say it had a nice taste to it.

just a couple of points, to perhaps set expectations.

the chili at Rutt's is unrelated to the hot dog. it's not as though they're serving texas wieners, for which the chili is an integral part to the experience. it's just chili.

i've noticed that when you order a "ripper", you tend to get a more well-done hot dog than if you just order a "dog". the well done dogs here are not to everyone's taste, and probably aren't a good example of their product. some people like them, but i prefer their dogs cooked a normal amount. regarding the original post, the dogs ordered "well-done" should have been more well-done than the rippers, which makes me wonder if the original poster likes really well-done hots dogs, but didn't like the dogs cooked less (the rippers), which would be odd, but not unheard of.

i'm sure someone will correct me on my rutt's vernacular, but this has been my experience over the past 20 years.

That hot dog looks like it came of out something that rhymes with (Rutt) "HUT"

As has already been mentioned, Rutt's is about the deep-fried hot dog and the relish. They are not the place to go for a chili-dog/texas weiner. Never have been. I don't think anyone would argue the point.

I am also not a relish fan, but enjoy Rutt's relish which is different than anything else I have tasted.

For myself, as for many others, Rutt's may be about nostalgia. Having grown up in Passaic, it brings back memories of going with my father, who lived in Passaic his whole life. He is gone now, and my eyes always tear up whenever I look at pictures of my kids when they were little, eating a ripper at the same child's counter I did when my father took me.

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Originally posted by richardao1

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Originally posted by Baah Ben

Rich - I would not have ordered the rippers. Did you order them because that was mentioned on tv or do you like a well done hot dog?

The NJ deep fried hot dog is definitely different. It is bland, sort of like bologna, and the texture and the condiments are a big part of the experience.

Personally, I have maintained for many years that our best NJ deep fried hot dog is at Hirum's in Ft. Lee. One big reason being I do not care for the mustard-relish condiment at Rutt's Hut.

Did you get to try Rutt's Hut's onion rings? I never had their chili..Did not even know they make one.

Yeah I always look for these types of places, I'm live in NY on the Island. I travel all over for work and this makes it a little bit of fun to try and find these so called "famous landmarks". The chili at Rutt's had a kick to it but I didn't get to try the onion rings. If you want to try a good chili dog try Skyline I think they are a franchise. I tried a few of the dogs at Skyline in Columbus, Ohio and I have to say it had a nice taste to it.

Skyline, a chain out of Cincinnati, does not serve chili dogs. They serve Coneys, which are small hot dogs topped with a Greek-style meat sauce.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman


Skyline, a chain out of Cincinnati, does not serve chili dogs. They serve Coneys, which are small hot dogs topped with a Greek-style meat sauce.

is this just semantics, or do you think there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog with chili on it vs a hot dog with Skyline chili on it.

Actually while Skyline calls their dogs Coneys, they top them with official Skyline chili but without the kidney beans which is more like a Greek style meat sauce than what anyone more than a hundred miles from Cincinnati considers to be chili. Hope that clarifies things.

Edited to add: Rutt's Hut is that great.

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Originally posted by Holly Moore

Actually while Skyline calls their dogs Coneys, they top them with official Skyline chili but without the kidney beans which is more like a Greek style meat sauce than what anyone more than a hundred miles from Cincinnati considers to be chili. Hope that clarifies things.

Edited to add: Rutt's Hut is that great.

i guess that's like suggesting that Goffle Grill and Falls View don't serve chili dogs, but rather they serve Texas Wieners, which are deep fried hot dogs topped with a chili sauce that isn't really chili in the form that anyone would eat chili.

i've had Coneys at Skyline and considered them to be a form of chili dog. perhaps I need to go back for more data points.

I had two dogs from Rutt's for lunch today, thanks to this thread!

Always good to go back to Skyline, whatever the reason.

I think of their Coneys as chili dogs, too. Was just trying to muddle things up some with my clarification.

John, Rutt's Hut sure does stir up the foodies doesn't it. Great to read all these opinions. It is a place you just have to try.

I am fairly confident, despite one's opinion either way on their hot dog, that most of you will like their onion rings. They are really good. I like watching them prep them up.

After your meal, why not have dessert at the Tick Tock Diner Just keep heading west.....

I'd really like to try one of those rippers. They look -- based solely on the photos posted here -- delicious. I mean, come on, at the very worst it's still not one of those simmered-in-water things.

I've been to Rutt's three times and have ALWAYS been impressed---rippers with relish please!!! I declared it the winner in a seven hot dog run from Hot Dog Johnny's (disappointing, but what atmosphere!) in Western NJ, all the way to Libby's Lunch (second best) in Patterson.

Rutt's Hutt's dogs are a love it or hate it experience.

I love them, my wife thinks they're foul.

I only recently started putting the relish on them (quite tasty). I used to just eat them plain.

The onion rings rule. They're not so much rings as they are a greasy mass of breaded onions that were rings at some point. So good, I wish I was there right now.

After reading the review and seeing the photos I agree with Michael...they at least merit a try. I believe I'd get one fully fried and one "in and out" for comparison.

What's the relish taste like? Onions, carrots, and cabbage don't exactly call to me.

Will they fry the "greasy mass of breaded onions" to order? I like mine really dark and crispy.

Brad

Like TheClairvoyant, I love them, my wife hates them. She much prefers Johnny and Hanges. Doesn't bother me, I love J and H's as well.

ab

I live close, and been to Rutt's once. Once was enough.

Mr. Stern remarked that "Outside Rutt's, you will meet some of the fattest pigeons and most well-fed gulls anywhere. They cruise the parking lot looking for scraps."

Hmmm...those fat birds are finding plenty for a reason. Many curious people do not make it through the parking lot.

For those who are curious about the relish. The best way to start to decipher the recipe is at the base. Put some in a strainer, run it under water, and you will find out what is underneath the flavoring. The flavoring is mosy likely some combination of mustard, vinegar, sugar, and/or sweet pickle juice and various spices that you can decipher, with some practice.

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

I live close, and been to Rutt's once. Once was enough.

Mr. Stern remarked that "Outside Rutt's, you will meet some of the fattest pigeons and most well-fed gulls anywhere. They cruise the parking lot looking for scraps."

Hmmm...those fat birds are finding plenty for a reason. Many curious people do not make it through the parking lot.

why don't the get through it? Who are these curious people?

They toss their "delicious" rippers, to the birds.

Curious people?

People who go there for the "legend" and "experience"

Plenty of curious folks, about the relish.

http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26663&SearchTerms=rutts,hut

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Originally posted by tommyeats

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman


Skyline, a chain out of Cincinnati, does not serve chili dogs. They serve Coneys, which are small hot dogs topped with a Greek-style meat sauce.

is this just semantics, or do you think there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog with chili on it vs a hot dog with Skyline chili on it.

If you don't know the difference between chili and what is called Cincinnati chili then I guess there's no meaningful distinction.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by tommyeats

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman


Skyline, a chain out of Cincinnati, does not serve chili dogs. They serve Coneys, which are small hot dogs topped with a Greek-style meat sauce.

is this just semantics, or do you think there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog with chili on it vs a hot dog with Skyline chili on it.

If you don't know the difference between chili and what is called Cincinnati chili then I guess there's no meaningful distinction.

i can discern the difference. but that doesn't prove that there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog served with chili on top, and a chili dog.

This is a coney or Snappy (coonie)aka a white hot.
Made with pork and veal.

Made by Hoffman Sausage Co. in Syracuse NY

http://www.hofmannsausage.com/about/

Why they call a chili dog a coney or coney dog I can't
figure that out.

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

Rutt's Sucks! Anyone who deep fries a Hot Dog deserves to be put in Sheriff Joe Arpiao's "Tent City" Jail in Phoenix AZ in the month of July!
The Pink-Clad Prisoners Of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona-Truth!
Summary of the eRumor
The email describes prison conditions in Arizona's Maricopa tent jail and quotes the sheriff as telling complaining inmates that the soldiers in Iraq are facing similar conditions, living in tents in hot weather, and that they didn't commit any crimes.
The Truth
Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a colorful and controversial character who has instituted severe policies at Phonex's Maricopa County Jail since taking office in 1993.
According to his bio on the Maricopa County website, he enjoys being known as "America's toughest sheriff."
He got nationwide attention when he established the Maricopa County tent city for inmates.
More than 2,000 prisoners live without smoking, coffee, pornographic magazines, movies and unrestricted television in all jails.
The eRumor says the meals cost less than 40 cents but the cost figure is actually less than 20 cents.
Arpaio has also instituted what he calls "Hard Knocks High", the only accredited high school in an American jail.
That, along with an anti-drug program, says Arpaio, has resulted in a high percentage of his inmates leaving jail without their addictions and few of them returning.

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

http://www.coneyislandpark.com/plan_history.php

This is interesting, and makes sense to me, I always wondered why these were called Coney's as chili dogs have never been a big think at NY's Coney Island as far as I know.

Oh, and put me down as someone who likes Rutts dogs. Didn't care for the onion rings though.

Foodbme - Ok..So you've been to Rutt's Hut? Or, are you just stirring it up? I'm not here to defend Rutt's Hut, but I will defend the NJ deep fried hot dog. I makes all the difference where you have them and more importantly, if you like a pork and beef dog vs an all beef hot dog. That is really the key.

I LOVE SHERIFF JOE! We need more Sheriff Joes in this country IMHO! He reminds me of that famous warden in Cool Hand Luke (Paul...RIP) saying "What we have here is a failure to communicate"

Thanks for the history..I think most Americans already know about this true American hero.

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Originally posted by Tony Bad

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

http://www.coneyislandpark.com/plan_history.php

This is interesting, and makes sense to me, I always wondered why these were called Coney's as chili dogs have never been a big think at NY's Coney Island as far as I know.

Oh, and put me down as someone who likes Rutts dogs. Didn't care for the onion rings though.

As I think I said somewhere in this thread, I've never been to Rutt's Hut, but from the photos and comments I'd sure love to have one or two.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I understand the history of the Cincinnati Chili "Coney" is vague. For example, see this account:
http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/FOOD_IS_ART/cliff/chilarttwo.html
Charles Feltman is supposed to have invented the hot dog in 1867 (some accounts say 1874) at Coney Island, Brooklyn. But is there any history of what foods were first introduced at the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati?

A topic as controversial as throwing Rutt's Hut under the bus is sufficient for me to pen my first post for Roadfood.

A native New Yorker (Brooklyn) and hot dog aficionado (Nathan's and countless Jewish delis) now living in Westchester, my take on one of New Jersey's hallowed halls of hot dog heritage is based on a single visit. A Rutt's dog is a unique experience, beginning with the prep, naturally the product itself, and finally the location. As such, it is certainly deserves respect as a 'road food' icon. That said, especially for those who are not a fan of deep fried anything, it may not represent the 'perfect' or 'best' hot dog.

Personally, while I place Rutt's very high on my list of favorite hot dog experiences, it is not one of my favorite hot dogs. A very good dog, just not the type of dog that would satisfy a hot dog craving. My take on Walter's, located in Westchester, is very much the same. Great places to enjoy a dog, but not what I would qualify as the 'best' dogs. I prefer a grill to water, fryer or griddle, with greater emphasis on the taste and quality of a natural casing dog as opposed to the topping.

Just in case you're wondering, my personal bests include local favorites Katz's, KaDeWe in Berlin, Germany (perhaps it's my German heritage, but they served one great grilled dog, served plain or with mustard and nestled in a freshly baked, narrow hard bun) and my backyard Weber grill - Boar's Head or Schaller & Weber, well grilled with Polish or German brown mustard and a fresh hard bun, perhaps with sauerkraut and/or sweet onions for change of pace. A pitcher of cold beer and sides of baked beans, cole slaw, German potato salad and Hungarian cucumber salad, and we're all set!

cgpublic - Welcome.

I must say, you picked quite a topic to throw your hat into. But a very well "penned" post it was.

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Originally posted by David_NYC

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I understand the history of the Cincinnati Chili "Coney" is vague. For example, see this account:
http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/FOOD_IS_ART/cliff/chilarttwo.html
Charles Feltman is supposed to have invented the hot dog in 1867 (some accounts say 1874) at Coney Island, Brooklyn. But is there any history of what foods were first introduced at the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati?

Beats me. There might be. I do know that the history of the hot dog at Coney Island (Brooklyn) includes mustard, relish and sauerkraut,
not chili.

cgpublic..I think you and John Fox have to "meat"....I'm very impressed. Welcome.

Hello all ,

I happen to love Rutts Hutt but it is either hated or loved by the Hot Dog Community . We have had the stop on 2 of our 5 Jersey Hot Dog Tours . There is no inbetween here .
Welcome aboard cgpublic

Benzee

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Originally posted by sonjaab

This is a coney or Snappy (coonie)aka a white hot.
Made with pork and veal.

Made by Hoffman Sausage Co. in Syracuse NY

http://www.hofmannsausage.com/about/

Why they call a chili dog a coney or coney dog I can't
figure that out.

I hate the Hofmann snappy grillers, but their regular German franks are out of this world. I've had the occasion to deep fry them too, and it just ratchets up the goodness! You have to fry them until they split, or else you'll get a jet of super hot juice to the mouth or face with the first bite.
Living in Syracuse, I can get them at just about any store, and, my buddy actually works at Hofmann's making the dogs. I just haven't found a better hot dog anywhere I've gone and had one.

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Originally posted by SeamusD

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Originally posted by sonjaab

This is a coney or Snappy (coonie)aka a white hot.
Made with pork and veal.

Made by Hoffman Sausage Co. in Syracuse NY

http://www.hofmannsausage.com/about/

Why they call a chili dog a coney or coney dog I can't
figure that out.

I hate the Hofmann snappy grillers, but their regular German franks are out of this world. I've had the occasion to deep fry them too, and it just ratchets up the goodness! You have to fry them until they split, or else you'll get a jet of super hot juice to the mouth or face with the first bite.
Living in Syracuse, I can get them at just about any store, and, my buddy actually works at Hofmann's making the dogs. I just haven't found a better hot dog anywhere I've gone and had one.

I LOVE Hofmann's coneys. Definately my favorite. Hofmann Franks are excellent as well, but when in Syracuse, I prefer Leih and Steigerwald German hot dogs. However, I can't get them here (DC), so a trip to Wegmans means stocking up on Hafmann brand coneys and franks. I also don't care for Pepperidge farms top split buns, so Wegmans brand is my only choice for true new england style rolls.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I said NOTHING in regard to Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, not having anything to do with topping a hot dog with Cincinnati-style Chili.

I did say there is an Island in New York. Where it all began for the HOT DOG. The origins of the term/phrase "Coney" ( not the topping) trace back to Coney Island New York. The Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio adopted the "Coney Island" name. Not the style of hot dog topping.

I said "where it all began" not "where it all began, came to fruition, etc."

when did skyline start putting their chili, uh, i mean, greek style meat sauce, on hot dogs?

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Originally posted by tommyeats

when did skyline start putting their chili, uh, i mean, greek style meat sauce, on hot dogs?

The Skyline Story...

http://www.skylinechili.com/story.php

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I said NOTHING in regard to Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, not having anything to do with topping a hot dog with Cincinnati-style Chili.

I did say there is an Island in New York. Where it all began for the HOT DOG. The origins of the term/phrase "Coney" ( not the topping) trace back to Coney Island New York. The Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio adopted the "Coney Island" name. Not the style of hot dog topping.

I said "where it all began" not "where it all began, came to fruition, etc."

You said, "There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history."

Are you now saying that Michigan and Ohio and other places adopted the phrase hot dog after "it ALL Began" on "an island ... in New York?"

Among the stories relating to the name hot dog there is no mention of any such island. The main claim has to do with New York sports-writer/cartoonist Tad Dorgan not knowing how to spell daschund and using the term hot dog instead. There are, of course, other claims, but I've never heard that the rest of America started calling tube steaks hot dogs following the lead of "an island" in New York.

Hello all ,

A big hello to Sonjaab !!!
How are you doing buddy , we missed you on the Jersey Hot Dog Tour .

Benzee

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I said NOTHING in regard to Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, not having anything to do with topping a hot dog with Cincinnati-style Chili.

I did say there is an Island in New York. Where it all began for the HOT DOG. The origins of the term/phrase "Coney" ( not the topping) trace back to Coney Island New York. The Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio adopted the "Coney Island" name. Not the style of hot dog topping.

I said "where it all began" not "where it all began, came to fruition, etc."

You said, "There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history."

Are you now saying that Michigan and Ohio and other places adopted the phrase hot dog after "it ALL Began" on "an island ... in New York?"

Among the stories relating to the name hot dog there is no mention of any such island. The main claim has to do with New York sports-writer/cartoonist Tad Dorgan not knowing how to spell daschund and using the term hot dog instead. There are, of course, other claims, but I've never heard that the rest of America started calling tube steaks hot dogs following the lead of "an island" in New York.

No, not the phrase hot dog, frankfurter, etc. the concept (and selling practice) of the hot dog in the United States. The generic phrase "coney" has been adopted/adapted in many forms (meaning many different things) in many different regions of the country. It originated from Coney Island NY.

Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, was renamed Coney Island, as an attempt to link itself with Coney Island NY.

Sure. Get back to me whan you can back up your assertions.

There is plenty of documentation listed (here) from several sources to support the origins of the generic phrase "coney" trace back to Coney Island NY.

If you have another explanation, feel free to provide it.

In the movie 'Paper Moon', Ryan O'Neil says to Tatum, “Now eat your Coney Island and drink your Nehi!”.

I presume she wasn't holding a Rutt's Hutt dog.

Here ya go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXWVS3ccRRA

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Originally posted by tommyeats


i can discern the difference. but that doesn't prove that there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog served with chili on top, and a chili dog.

still waiting. for the back up. of the assertion.