Originally posted by flyseye
You are missing the point. The point is, even as a Pilsener/Pale Lager,or whatever you want to call it, Stella is only average.
A quick scan of Beer Advocate shows well over 50 Pilseners with an "A" score.So I don't know what you are talking about with all that " comparing to an Imperial Stout" stuff.
Beer Advocate rates good Pilseners/Pale Lagers highly, the point is Stella is not one of them. It is rated properly according to most, Belgian or not.Good Pilseners/Pale Lagers rate well, average ones do not. Simple as that.
You also seem to be hung up with the Beer Advocate top 100 rated beers. Well of course the more complex beers are going to rate higher, just like with wine, scotch, or any other type of alcohol.
Unless of course you feel Stella Artois, or any other Pilsener/Pale Lager, is a better beer than Westvleteren 12,or Three Floyds Dark Lord, your argument simply does not stand up.
I you you missed my point. Maybe you are one of the people who post on BA, so you feel I was speaking dertrimentally about you personally. Well, I'm not. So don't
get your panties in a knot
let your underwear get twisted - I'm not trying to get personal, just speaking generally.
YOU saying my arguement doesn't stand up, doesn' mean it doesn't. That's your opinion.
I haven't the time to go through the stats. But, the lighter beers do not fare well in comparison to heavier beers. The bell curve is much higher. The top 100 beers listed only reverberates that sentiment.
Furthur more. When wine is given points, the point are not compared cross class. i.e. a Merlot is not compared to Pinot Noir to determine if the wine is high quality or not. In fact, a Merlot that tastes like a Pinot Noir, makes for a bad Merlot.
And your comparison of Stella to Westvleteren 12 and Three Lords Dark is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Stella is in the pale lager class, those beers are DARK BEERS. You might as well compare Highland Scotch to Islay. Highland Scotch can be very high quality, but will never be peaty. It's quality is measured in other areas. The fact you used those two beers as you example, only proved my point.
See, the point is, you think one style of beer is "better" than another. You even said it: "Unless of course you feel any pilsener/Pale Lager, is a better beer than Westvleteren 12,or Three Floyds Dark Lord..."
Better, when comparing different style is purely subjective. Budweiser is crappy, not because it's a pilser, but because it's a crappy pilsner. Stella, is a decent pale lager. Certainly it won't have the flavor of a Dark Belgian beer, but it's not made that way.
When beer awards are given out, there are different classes. You can't compare a Sour Ale with Rye Beer and say that the Sour Ale is crappy compared to all the fine Rye Beers.
So, it's not a question of whether or not Stella Artois compares with any other heavier beer. It's how it compares to other euro pale lagers. And even then, Stella isn't the top. But, since the users on BA seem to use the same standard for all beers to give their rating, a C+ is a decent score for a euro pale lager. Look a the other top euro pale lagers: There's not 50 scores of A for this group. In fact, there is only 1 (ONE) A-. http://beeradvocate.com/top_beers?this_cId=BE&this_style=&cId=BE&style=37 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/37/?start=0
meanwhile: in the American Double/Imperial Stout catagory, only 7 beers rate below a B- (that's C+ or worse) SEVEN! out of 150 beers!
How can so many beers be "above average"?!?! Clearly, the ratings are skewed to dark, choclate, coffee, fruit, nut, etc. flavors.
So, if I see an Imperial Stout with a B+ on BA, I know that it's merely an average (and maybe below average) Imperial Stout. Where a C+ Euro Pale Lager, is slightly above average Euro Pale Lager.