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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/14/06 1:59 PM
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Well here we are, post 2500.

I wasn't sure what to do with it, at first, other than I wanted it to be in this particular thread. After some thought, I decided to finalize a progression of thought I have had since first starting this thread.....specifically, slowly realizing that what was once (a long time ago) my favorite restaurant in all of Cincinnati is really, truly, not all that good.

Of course I speak of Montgomery Inn

My boss favors the place, and every time we have an out of town manager or group in for us to meet or work with, he takes us all there. I've tried different things - pulled pork, pork chops, chicken dishes, fried fish, even the occasional pasta - and of course gave their speciality, the pork ribs, yet another shot - but frankly, none of them were even what I'd call good.

Part of it has been the education in what BBQ is that I have gained here at Roadfood. Part of it is, I'm sure, changing tastes as I have gotten older. I also think the restaurant itself is resting on it's laurels

Ah well.

I still think it is a place to try once, as a HUGE number of local folks absolutely swear by this place just as I once did, but it is a restaurant I will personally avoid from here on out.

Except when the boss takes us out on a mandatory office outing. *shrug* as a free meal, it isn't too bad.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/14/06 2:56 PM
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I have been to Montgomery Inn four times. I went from loving it (after my first visit) to thinking I most likely won't go back (last visit). Not that there is anything terrible about the place. I think it is just okay and there are way too many other places in Cincy that have much better food. But, even though I won't be back, I have recommended it to others for their first visit to the area.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/15/06 8:51 PM
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Originally posted by TJ Jackson

Well here we are, post 2500.

I wasn't sure what to do with it, at first, other than I wanted it to be in this particular thread. After some thought, I decided to finalize a progression of thought I have had since first starting this thread.....specifically, slowly realizing that what was once (a long time ago) my favorite restaurant in all of Cincinnati is really, truly, not all that good.

Of course I speak of Montgomery Inn

My boss favors the place, and every time we have an out of town manager or group in for us to meet or work with, he takes us all there. I've tried different things - pulled pork, pork chops, chicken dishes, fried fish, even the occasional pasta - and of course gave their speciality, the pork ribs, yet another shot - but frankly, none of them were even what I'd call good.

Part of it has been the education in what BBQ is that I have gained here at Roadfood. Part of it is, I'm sure, changing tastes as I have gotten older. I also think the restaurant itself is resting on it's laurels

Ah well.

I still think it is a place to try once, as a HUGE number of local folks absolutely swear by this place just as I once did, but it is a restaurant I will personally avoid from here on out.

Except when the boss takes us out on a mandatory office outing. *shrug* as a free meal, it isn't too bad.


Yeah, even I'd eat there if it was free. The last time I got a meal on the bank it was Chef Boyardee ravioli that I had to scrape off the bottom of the pan. Consider yourself lucky. (And I can't believe I just typed that.)

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 12:07 AM
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OK, Cincinnatians {or anyone hoping to eat in Cincinnati}~~

I went to VINYL on Saturday night. For those of you who don't know, Vinyl is the reincarnation of the Diner on Sycamore, on Sycamore and 12th, in Over the Rhine, Downtown, Cincinnati.

I have been there once, when they were "new", before a new chef was hired about a month ago.

They had 3 different kind of beef burgers { a kobe beef, a Kentucky beef, and something else}. They served greens that were "vinegar soaked" that were good. Good southern-style greens {before the new chef}.

Saturday night, I went to Vinyl , with the hope that the menu would be fantabulous, with a new chef.

Wrong!!!

I ordered the "lobster" burgers {three small "appetizer sized burgers", the way they serve the kobe beef burgers, but "lobster-cake style}. They were so fishy tasting, I could not eat them. They were FISHY!!! In my mind, definitely not lobster.

My cohort ordered the greens since she liked them before. For $6.00, she got a few field greens, and a slice of apple, with some vingarette. Not "vinegar soaked greens".

We expressed our displeasure when we payed our bill, and the "owner", "co-owner", "chef", or "night mananger", whoever he was, followed us from the restaurant, and asked why we were dissatisfied.

When I told him that the lobster burger was fishy, he told me that "lobster is fishy, it is seafood, and it tastes fishy". I told him lobster should not taste fishy. He said something about Cincinnati not having great seafood.

I have bought frozen lobster tails from Kroger, and it DID NOT taste fishy. I have had lobster in many different ways. Lobster should not taste "fishy".

The guy, whoever he was, followed us out of the restaurant {VINYL}, and told us we obviously did not have a "palate" for what "Vinyl" was trying to accomplish.

We were one of, like, maybe 10 people in the restaurant {on Saturday night!!}.

#1-- If they are trying to build business, why are they alienating customers?
#2 -- Why would you chase customers out of a business and question why they didn't like it, and blame the customer?
#3-- When does lobster ever taste fishy? Even in Cincinnati?

Obviously, I am giving a bad review to Vinyl.

Bad business is telling the customer they are wrong, and following them out of the business to tell them they are wrong.

There were very few customers there, even on a Saturday night.

And the food was bad. Who are they trying to fool? Obviously, they believe that Cincy is full of food fools.

Don't go to Vinyl. Unless you are a food fool.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 8:33 AM
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Sorry to hear of it. They are trying for that "ultramodern" and "pretentious" feel, but their locale ( a very bad part of town) does not fit well well with this.

Their one hope was to serve really good food that brought word of mouth and repeat business.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 9:20 AM
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Soozy

Maybe it was one of them OHIO RIVER LOBSTERS or maybe Mill Creek

Sorry to here VINYL has not lived up to it's hype. I will cross this off my list, thanks for saving me the trip into the city.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 9:40 AM
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Originally posted by Sandy Thruthegarden

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Originally posted by cajunking
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Watkins barrell and Whiskey Barrell were two different places.

Watkins Barrell never impressed me at all and has been closed for some time now, the building was recently torn down for the new US 50 expansion across Tanner's Creek.


My picks for the area are:

Whiskey's - Steaks, BBQ
Applewood - Ny Strip stuffed with Boursin cheese, Steakhouse soup
Delaney's - Daily specials are usually always good



cjk - Thanks for your response.

I'm pretty sure that Whiskey Barrell was at the same location where Watkins Barrell went later. Before that, it was an old-fashioned working man's bar and lunch place called Bud and Norma Lee's. Not that it matters since they razed the building. Sure do miss those hamburgers though.



Sandy

Yes Whiskey Barrell and Watkins Barrel were in the same place, I was thinking of the short lived Whiskey Island, which was there off Walnut street, that is now becoming another Mexican place.

Bud & Norma Lee's had a life of it's own after hours, I used to bartend at BG's in Aurora and after closing we would all go to B & NL if you knew the secret knock you could get in, and they served drinks 24/7.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 5:24 PM
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sorry to hear that Vinyl was so bad. also, sorry to hear that I live in a "very bad part of town."


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 7:05 PM
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Originally posted by cajunking

Sandy

Yes Whiskey Barrell and Watkins Barrel were in the same place, I was thinking of the short lived Whiskey Island, which was there off Walnut street, that is now becoming another Mexican place.

Bud & Norma Lee's had a life of it's own after hours, I used to bartend at BG's in Aurora and after closing we would all go to B & NL if you knew the secret knock you could get in, and they served drinks 24/7.


I used to pass B&NL every morning on the way to work and often wondered why the parking lot was so full of pickup trucks at 6:30 a.m. Must have been the graveyard shift from Seagrams having Happy Hour.

Actually, we kind of liked Whiskey Island although it was pretty kitschy. It was a good place to get a quick and informal meal before the race. I'm not sure I want to sit in the Apple Wood or in Whiskey's dining room in the kind of clothes I wear to a dirt track race.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 10:02 PM
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sorry to hear that Vinyl was so bad. also, sorry to hear that I live in a "very bad part of town."


Robin,

I still frequent downtown Cincy, and Over-the-Rhine, when there is some place that suits my fancy. I have never been intimidated by what was, supposedly, a "bad" part of town. Over-the-Rhine is only bad in pockets, just like every part of Cincy is.

I just still cannot believe that this guy followed us out the restaurant to tell us that we obviously did not have the correct palate for what they were trying to do!!!

I love food, and have eaten at a lot of places. I also have worked at a lot of restaurants as well. He should have been asking questions that would promote his business, not questioning our palates.

AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN~~THE LOBSTER "BURGERS" WERE FISHY!!!

I predict that Vinyl will not be around long, if this is the way they treat their customers.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Mon, 12/18/06 11:41 PM
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sorry to hear that Vinyl was so bad. also, sorry to hear that I live in a "very bad part of town."

I've been there, and I stand by what I said, regardless of whether or not that gives offense.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 8:20 AM
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Suzy: I agree that the actions by the manager of Vinyl were unbelievably unprofessional and only served to worsen your already bad experience. I have no desire to go there and it is only blocks from my house.

T.J.: I did not ask you to take back anything you said. Everyone has their own definition of dangerous. I, for one, am simply not threatened by the doctors, lawyers, P&G executives, and other successful professionals that are my neighbors in downtown Cincinnati.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 8:31 AM
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I've been there, and I stand by what I said, regardless of whether or not that gives offense.


As long as we're giving offense (or not), attitudes like this do more harm to downtown restaurants and businesses than the attitude of Vinyl's owner ever will. At least he's only hurting himself.

Sycamore Street in particular has not been "a very bad part of town" for a number of years. After living in apartments more than a few blocks south of that area, I looked into purchasing a condo just a few blocks north of Vinyl before I determined Northside to be the better overall value (with better overall restaurants, as it turned out).

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 8:46 AM
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*shrug*

I've walked and driven through the area several times, and seen what I have seen. This isn't just based on second hand information, or lingering memories of the race riots from years back.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 9:08 AM
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Does this sound familiar?

One Man's Trash is another Man's Treasure!

Folks , when I read a review of a place written here on Roadfood or in the media, I have learned to recognize the bias's built into the review based on my experiences with the reviewer over a period of time. There are some reviews that I totally ignore as I have learned that the writer differs FAR from what I perceive as acceptable when it comes to quality or choice in a restaurant.
It doesn't mean I won't go to the place...It means that I understand that the other reviewer's viewpoint may differ from mine. I find I disagree with a lot of folks about what they perceive in a place, and that's ok.

Just don't try to tell me that you are Right and I am Wrong when dealing with something as subjective as restaurant reviews.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 9:47 AM
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Understood, Al.

I'll add that I'm certainly not saying (or meaning to say) that anyone is wrong. All I am stating is my opinion of that area based on my experiences and observations there. Clearly, the observations and experiences of others have differed. That means they are right, from their point of view, just as I am from mine.

One other thing - the "road" part of "roadfood" always makes me think we should be honest with the traveller reading these posts to find a good meal in the area being discussed. For example, a great breakfast can be had at both Tucker's (so I have repeatedly heard) in Over the Rhine and at The Village Pantry (I have experienced several times) in Madeira. I think there is a significant difference between the two neighborhoods, and I think it is a disservice to travelers not to disclose it. I'd go to Tuckers if I am alone, but not with my wife or two young (3 and 5) daughters. I think that is valuable info to a traveller, personally.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 10:05 AM
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T.J.: I'll say it again. I didn't ask you or imply that you needed to take anything back. Your view of downtown is your view. No biggie.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 10:38 AM
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TJ, I can appreciate you wanting to offer your opinions of the areas where restaurants are located. I am perhaps a bit hypersensitive when it comes to downtown because I lived there for a number of years (and lived through the riots and curfews), and I'm sick and tired of suburbanites who are afraid of it without having any firsthand experience of it. (I am not including you in that statement because, as you say, you have experienced the area, and I know you work downtown.)

Sadly, perception becomes reality, and we all suffer when restaurants (and other businesses) can't make it down there as a result. It truly bothers me that downtown has a stigma that it seems unable to shake, while other areas that could be considered just as "questionable" don't seem to have problems drawing people to their fine restaurants (Tink's in Clifton, Honey and Slims in Northside, to name a few).

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 10:42 AM
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Cool.

All that said, let's get back to the eats :-)

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 11:46 AM
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Cool.

I'm hesitant to post about deSha's because, frankly, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. I find myself becoming less and less of a fan of American fare, so I'm probably predisposed to disliking an American Tavern. The menu is reminiscent of The Cheesecake Factory, not in its expansiveness, but in its lowest common denominator food at upscale prices, with menu descriptions that poorly attempt to make everything sound daring or exotic. It fits right in with the manufactured Towne Properties community it borders. Burgers are okay, no better than the ones at Chili's across the street. The "Nicholson's Fish and Chips" taste better at Nicholson's, which is owned by the same restaurant group. The seafood linguine (scallops, shrimp, and crabmeat in a sherry lobster cream sauce) is alarmingly dull, and I didn't notice a hint of sherry.

I say this without even having paid for a meal there. My wife's employers enjoy the place, and have treated us on several occasions. Service has always been erratic at best, but the most recent outing was pathetic. Appetizers showed up less than ten minutes before the entrees and salads showed up together, glasses of wine didn't show up until the third reminder, water and soda refills went similarly unnoticed, and we had to track down a bottle of ketchup (for a 5-year-old) ourselves after the request was forgotten or ignored. The waiter blamed himself alone, as well he should have. The six of us were seated almost immediately at 7:00 P.M. on a Saturday night, and judging by the number of people walking around in black pants and shirts, there were clearly no issues of being overcrowded or understaffed.

Now, I don't necessarily expect a restaurant to "make things right"...unless the manager pays a visit and tells you she'll make things right. Our compensation for this embarrassment? Two free desserts (which we weren't going to order, anyway) and one free glass of wine, less than a $20 value on a bill of well over $200. We were charged for everything else.

It isn't a total loss, however. The tavern portion, referred to as the Place Next Door, seems to function as its own entity, as it has a dedicated menu and staff. The bottled beer and scotch selection shines, as it does at sister location Rookwood Mews (and the other Pub locations around town, which I don't believe are owned by the same place). I have no problem with going here for a drink, but I would go to Dewey's next door for a draught.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 3:00 PM
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re: Amor de Brazil

$41 plus drinks, tax and tip? Anybody think they may have to adjust pricing once the novelty wares off? Tom


We just met some friends this weekend at Amor de Brazil, no the prices had not come down yet. $125 for the dinner and drinks for the 2 of us.

The food was great, the salad bar was a little weak in it's selection, but the boiled shrimp on the salad bar defiantely made up for the weak selection.

I must admit though I could only FORCE my way through 10 of the 14 meats offered.

I really liked the garlic pork and the parmesan pork. The lamb was very tender and juicy. I loved it, my table companions not so much.

I can't remember the name of the one chicken dish they had that night, but my tongue is still tingling.

All in all was a very good evening with friends.

The down side:

My friend Kris & I are big meat lovers and had not ate anything all day so we totally enjoyed ourselves.

However our wives were not such big meat eaters and had eaten lunch, they did however polish off a huge bowl or 2 or 3 of shrimp off the salad bar.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 5:21 PM
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Cool.

The bottled beer and scotch selection shines, as it does at sister location Rookwood Mews (and the other Pub locations around town, which I don't believe are owned by the same place). I have no problem with going here for a drink, but I would go to Dewey's next door for a draught.


All are owned by Nick DeSha's restaurant group including the "Pub's" in Louisville and Lexington and the orignal DeSha's in Maysville, KY. Having done a number of Scotch tasting cruises with him, he is a very savy business man and has a good eye for marketing and a better taste for food. Not all of his venues appeal to all, but like Cameron Mitchell, he was enough varied establishments that make the business model work.

Jerry
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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Tue, 12/19/06 7:42 PM
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I do enjoy Nicholson's and the various Pub locations. deSha's is the only location that consistently offends me on multiple fronts.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/21/06 2:51 PM
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ok on a run today I ran across two places i had never seen before and wondered if anybody had any thoughts about them

On Dixie Highway in Elsmere/Erlanger there was Emerson's Bakery and Ooooh Mama Das ist gut!

I had never seen either and was wondering about them??


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/21/06 8:01 PM
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ok on a run today I ran across two places i had never seen before and wondered if anybody had any thoughts about them

On Dixie Highway in Elsmere/Erlanger there was Emerson's Bakery and Ooooh Mama Das ist gut!

I had never seen either and was wondering about them??


Here's a response re: The German Butcher that I made to a similar question.Ooooh Mama das ist Gut isn't their name:
The sign reads Deutsches Fleischerei (sp?) which translates into German Butcher. And that's exactly what it is. It was opened a number of years ago by a couple whose name I forget. They brought Stefan Neumann over from Germany to do the butchering. The sausages, ham and other pork products are excellent and mostly made in house.
The breads they feature on Sat. are excellent as well. They also carry assorted German food products, beer and some prepared foods. About a year or so ago, They opened an "Imbiss" (german snack bar) in the rear of the building. It has very limited hours (Tu - Sat / 11-2)
which has prevented us from eating there, but given the quality of the meats and the prepared frozen food we've had, I'd be willing to bet it's pretty good. They supplied the sausages to the Hofbrauhaus for quite awhile (a deal that has since gone by the wayside) and is the same place that Sandy and Wallyum are speculating a couple of posts above as being involved in the newly opened Wiener Haus. Their busiest day is Sat.It's not unusal to see and hear German speaking people stocking up on freezer loads of meats which speaks to the authenticity of the place. Highly recommended, if that sort of thing interests you.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/21/06 8:51 PM
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I recommend Wiener Haus, although it's probably a considerable drive for a number of us. Every sausage I have tried has been excellent (especially the garlic), but the potato cakes are hit or miss. As far as "dogs" go, it isn't the great value that Dink's is, but they really are two different animals since it appears the Wiener Haus stuff is made from scratch. The combo meal is the best value if the featured sausage (which I believe changes daily) is to your liking.

The "rules for eating sausage" on every table are entertaining, and there are multiple versions of it floating around on the internet. My favorite rule is something to the effect of ketchup having no business on a sausage or wiener if you are over the age of 18.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/21/06 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by TJ Jackson

what was one my favorite restaurant in all of Cincinnati is really, truly, not all that good.

Of course I speak of Montgomery Inn


Amen Brother! I totally agree! Overrated!

I'm new to this thread and haven't read all that went on b/4 me but I wanted to say that restuarants I miss downtown are The Wheel Cafe, The Colonade and Pogue's Bridge. One great thing about The Colonade was that people sat down to eat at tables with other people they didn't know, I thought that was really cool.

Also,I like the Anchor Grill in Covington. What a dive! They do a great goetta and eggs. I love the atmosphere too.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 12:16 AM
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One great thing about The Colonade was that people sat down to eat at tables with other people they didn't know, I thought that was really cool.


Slims in Northside does the same. It can make for an interesting experience with some of the characters we have around here.

They do some interesting stuff, which doesn't always work. I can't say I've ever had a good brunch there, and we typically go to Honey on Sunday mornings instead. The menu changes weekly, but it looks like they keep their Web site up to date: http://www.slimsrestaurant.com/

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 1:40 AM
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I was browsing cincinnati.com and saw this review for the Sichaun Bistro in Mason:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20061215/ENT01/612150308/

Besides the usual Chinese food offerings, there's a second menu in Chinese-- with translations. Anyone here tried it? The review's descriptions of the dishes sound very promising. Finances are a bit tight here and we haven't been eating out a whole lot, but I think we may have to give this a go sometime.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 9:11 AM
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Originally posted by BillC

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Originally posted by cajunking

ok on a run today I ran across two places i had never seen before and wondered if anybody had any thoughts about them

On Dixie Highway in Elsmere/Erlanger there was Emerson's Bakery and Ooooh Mama Das ist gut!

I had never seen either and was wondering about them??


Here's a response re: The German Butcher that I made to a similar question.Ooooh Mama das ist Gut isn't their name:
The sign reads Deutsches Fleischerei (sp?) which translates into German Butcher. And that's exactly what it is. It was opened a number of years ago by a couple whose name I forget. They brought Stefan Neumann over from Germany to do the butchering. The sausages, ham and other pork products are excellent and mostly made in house.
The breads they feature on Sat. are excellent as well. They also carry assorted German food products, beer and some prepared foods. About a year or so ago, They opened an "Imbiss" (german snack bar) in the rear of the building. It has very limited hours (Tu - Sat / 11-2)
which has prevented us from eating there, but given the quality of the meats and the prepared frozen food we've had, I'd be willing to bet it's pretty good. They supplied the sausages to the Hofbrauhaus for quite awhile (a deal that has since gone by the wayside) and is the same place that Sandy and Wallyum are speculating a couple of posts above as being involved in the newly opened Wiener Haus. Their busiest day is Sat.It's not unusal to see and hear German speaking people stocking up on freezer loads of meats which speaks to the authenticity of the place. Highly recommended, if that sort of thing interests you.




http://www.german-cuisine.com/

Very good. Dad and I have been in there for Saturday lunch. Very authentic-feeling food and atmosphere.

Meats are great. Huge variety. I remember getting some tongue cold cut, some blood cold cut, and johnny-in-the-sack (a truly old-fsahioned lunch meat). They also have big loaves of house-made goetta, though I didn't get any of that.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 9:16 AM
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restuarants I miss downtown are The Wheel Cafe, The Colonade and Pogue's Bridge. One great thing about The Colonade was that people sat down to eat at tables with other people they didn't know, I thought that was really cool.

Also,I like the Anchor Grill in Covington. What a dive! They do a great goetta and eggs. I love the atmosphere too.


Welcome to the board. Do you work or live downtown?

Tell us more about these three defunct eateries....where they were located, what sort of food they served, etc.....

I went to the Anchor just once, and was very disappointed in the breakfast I was served, which included biscuits from a box that were unforgivably stale. I mean, c'mon, you can thaw them to use as you need them, no need for institutional packed biscuits to be stale....not that they are all that great fresh to start with

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 9:18 AM
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Ooooh Mama Das ist gut!

It sounds like cajunking found a place OTHER THAN the German Butcher.....is there such a sign anywhere on the front of the German Butcher? I don't recall seeing such a sign

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 10:59 AM
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Saturday night, I went to Vinyl , with the hope that the menu would be fantabulous, with a new chef.

Wrong!!!

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

the "owner", "co-owner", "chef", or "night mananger", whoever he was, followed us from the restaurant, and asked why we were dissatisfied.

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

The guy, whoever he was, followed us out of the restaurant {VINYL}, and told us we obviously did not have a "palate" for what "Vinyl" was trying to accomplish.

take a look at the guy pictured at:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20061215/ENT01/612150315/
is that the guy?

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 2:48 PM
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On Dixie Highway in Elsmere/Erlanger there was Emerson's Bakery



Emerson's in Erlanger is a retail outlet for the main bakery on US25 just south of downtown Florence. There is another branch somewhere on US42.

In the same strip mall in Erlanger is Greek to Me which has the best (only?) gyros and other Greek goodies in N. Ky. Yummy and cheap!

PS - Emersons is closed Sunday and Monday.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 3:25 PM
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sounds like it is worth the trip back over there to investigate further

I love a good german butcher, my mother's side of the family (Scharf) were butchers and ran a meat market here in SE Indiana years and years ago.

I will keep you up to date on my discovery

TJ, it might have been the same place, there were several signs on the building, but that is the only one I could read as I went by to quickly to realize what it was.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 4:29 PM
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Originally posted by TJ Jackson

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

Saturday night, I went to Vinyl , with the hope that the menu would be fantabulous, with a new chef.

Wrong!!!

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

the "owner", "co-owner", "chef", or "night mananger", whoever he was, followed us from the restaurant, and asked why we were dissatisfied.

quote:
Originally posted by soozycue520

The guy, whoever he was, followed us out of the restaurant {VINYL}, and told us we obviously did not have a "palate" for what "Vinyl" was trying to accomplish.

take a look at the guy pictured at:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20061215/ENT01/612150315/
is that the guy?



TJ~~

Definitely not that guy. I would not have forgot that mustache, or those tattoos. The guy we dealt with was a skinny, smarmy guy.

I read about the new menu on your link. I don't remember the potato skins {with proscuitto, etc.}, or the ahi tuna "fish" & chips being on the menu. Maybe they haven't incoroporated the new menu yet. They really need to take those "lobster" burgers off the menu. OK, I'll stop about that!!!

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 7:33 PM
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sounds like it is worth the trip back over there to investigate further

I love a good german butcher, my mother's side of the family (Scharf) were butchers and ran a meat market here in SE Indiana years and years ago.

I will keep you up to date on my discovery

TJ, it might have been the same place, there were several signs on the building, but that is the only one I could read as I went by to quickly to realize what it was.


"Oh Mama, Das ist Gut" is a phrase The German Butcher has displayed in front of the store. It's a line you'll also see in their advertising. I believe there is still a plaque on the wall of the store describing why they use that phrase, etc. It's the same place. Give it a try.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/22/06 9:52 PM
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what was one my favorite restaurant in all of Cincinnati is really, truly, not all that good.

Of course I speak of Montgomery Inn


Amen Brother! I totally agree! Overrated!

I'm new to this thread and haven't read all that went on b/4 me but I wanted to say that restuarants I miss downtown are The Wheel Cafe, The Colonade and Pogue's Bridge. One great thing about The Colonade was that people sat down to eat at tables with other people they didn't know, I thought that was really cool.

Also,I like the Anchor Grill in Covington. What a dive! They do a great goetta and eggs. I love the atmosphere too.




We used to eat at The Wheel and Pogue's Bridge on trips downtown with my grandparents. I remember the name Colonade, but I don't remember the location, so I doubt I ever ate there. I thought Pogue's was pretty cool. Thanks for mentioning them. It's always nice to remember my grandparents, especially at this time of year.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Sat, 12/23/06 12:55 AM
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The Wheel Cafe was on 6th Street. Although I am too young to remember it, there was the advertisement on the side of the building WAY into the 80's -90's, until McDonald's, and Taco Bell folded.

The "on the building" advertisement was around until around the time that Larry {Jimmy} Flint tried to reopen the Hustler store on Sixth Street. Si Leis went nuts, and that whole block became crazy!! {I am not blaming anything, nor anyone. I am just making a statement.}

Does anyone remember the " 'Wheel Cafe' billboard" on the side of the building on Sixth Street, between Vine and Walnut?

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Sat, 12/23/06 8:37 AM
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T

Does anyone remember the " 'Wheel Cafe' billboard" on the side of the building on Sixth Street, between Vine and Walnut?


Yes, and I remember eating at the Wheel several times in the early to mid '70s. I remember it as a venerable old cafe frequented by a lot of regulars from nearby offices but I can't say I remember much about the food. On the other hand, I can't say that my tastes were finely honed at that point in my life.


"I'm new to this thread and haven't read all that went on b/4 me but I wanted to say that restuarants I miss downtown are The Wheel Cafe, The Colonade and Pogue's Bridge. One great thing about The Colonade was that people sat down to eat at tables with other people they didn't know, I thought that was really cool. "

YH - I too miss the Bridge at Pogue's. It was a great place for a tuna salad sandwich or a terrific ice cream sundae. I also miss the Camargo Room at Pogue's which served a rich and delicious cream of asparagus soup one day per week. In fact, I miss Pogue's in general...what a fine old department store.

YH - I agree with TJ. Please tell us what you know/remember about downtown eateries. Do you remember The Lorelei (I think it was on Walnut)? We often ate there when I was a kid but I don't remember many details. Of course, other d'town restaraunts included: The Cricket, the Wiggins, the Rib Pit, Pierre's, and Ted Kluzewski's. The Act IV on Vine was a bar that had great sandwiches. I am also trying to remember what Madonna's was called back in the '70s when the walls were covered with pictures of Sinatra and his was the only music played in the place. But, I'm "geezing" here. YH- Can you help me with any info?

TIA

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Sat, 12/23/06 12:51 PM
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The Wheel Cafe was on 6th Street. Although I am too young to remember it, there was the advertisement on the side of the building WAY into the 80's -90's, until McDonald's, and Taco Bell folded.

The "on the building" advertisement was around until around the time that Larry {Jimmy} Flint tried to reopen the Hustler store on Sixth Street. Si Leis went nuts, and that whole block became crazy!! {I am not blaming anything, nor anyone. I am just making a statement.}

Does anyone remember the " 'Wheel Cafe' billboard" on the side of the building on Sixth Street, between Vine and Walnut?


Yeah, I believe that was on the side of the actual building. The Wheel was on the street level. Seems like it disappeared when I was in high school.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 12:30 PM
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I made it to Sub Station II in Florence during a shopping foray to the Florence Mall.

I wasn't honestly aware they were a "national" chain (albeit they're[url='http://www.substationii.com/locationssub.htm']mostly in the Carolinas[/url]) until I did a search to see if I could find a local review I recall reading from a few years back

http://www.substationii.com/alltheway.htm

Had a #19 done up "all the way", which is the closest approximation they have to a standard italian sub. I thought the meat and toppings were very good and very generous, but the bread was not up to par. Overall pretty good, but not worthy of a special trip.

Anyone else eaten there?

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 12:46 PM
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I made it to Sub Station II in Florence during a shopping foray to the Florence Mall.

Anyone else eaten there?


I was a frequent visitor to the Ft. Wright location when I lived there. My favorite was the Pizza Sub (#29). Also, they were only place you could get Vienna Beef hot dogs for a long time. Even though they are a chain, they are independent and 'divey' enough to qualify as Roadfood for me.

They have a number of items not on the National menu - http://www.substationii.com/florencemenu.pdf

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 12:53 PM
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I am also trying to remember what Madonna's was called back in the '70s when the walls were covered with pictures of Sinatra and his was the only music played in the place. But, I'm "geezing" here. YH- Can you help me with any info?

TIA

Sandy


I remember "Jonathons" being where "Madonna's" is now. Is that what you are thinking of?

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 12:55 PM
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Well here we are, post 2500.

I wasn't sure what to do with it, at first, other than I wanted it to be in this particular thread. After some thought, I decided to finalize a progression of thought I have had since first starting this thread.....specifically, slowly realizing that what was once (a long time ago) my favorite restaurant in all of Cincinnati is really, truly, not all that good.

Of course I speak of Montgomery Inn

My boss favors the place, and every time we have an out of town manager or group in for us to meet or work with, he takes us all there. I've tried different things - pulled pork, pork chops, chicken dishes, fried fish, even the occasional pasta - and of course gave their speciality, the pork ribs, yet another shot - but frankly, none of them were even what I'd call good.

Part of it has been the education in what BBQ is that I have gained here at Roadfood. Part of it is, I'm sure, changing tastes as I have gotten older. I also think the restaurant itself is resting on it's laurels

Ah well.

I still think it is a place to try once, as a HUGE number of local folks absolutely swear by this place just as I once did, but it is a restaurant I will personally avoid from here on out.

Except when the boss takes us out on a mandatory office outing. *shrug* as a free meal, it isn't too bad.


"And yea, the scales fell from mine eyes, and I saw an new paradigm of barbecue, and fell away from mine old ways to cleave unto those of the Roadfoodies. Thy 'cue shall be my 'cue, thy sauce, my sauce."

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 12:59 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by YorkHostess
restuarants I miss downtown are The Wheel Cafe, The Colonade and Pogue's Bridge. One great thing about The Colonade was that people sat down to eat at tables with other people they didn't know, I thought that was really cool.

Also,I like the Anchor Grill in Covington. What a dive! They do a great goetta and eggs. I love the atmosphere too.


Welcome to the board. Do you work or live downtown?

Tell us more about these three defunct eateries....where they were located, what sort of food they served, etc.....

I went to the Anchor just once, and was very disappointed in the breakfast I was served, which included biscuits from a box that were unforgivably stale. I mean, c'mon, you can thaw them to use as you need them, no need for institutional packed biscuits to be stale....not that they are all that great fresh to start with


Oh, the Wheel! I went there with my Mom when we did monthly shopping trips downtown in those halcyon pre-mall days of the '60s. I remember the place well. So warm and inviting.

The Pogue's Bridge was in Pogue's, later L.S. Ayer's, in Carew Tower, and went between the two halves of the store (which fronted both 4th and 5th Streets). You had a great view of the Carew's art deco arcade interior. Chicken salad, "ladies who lunch" kind of fare.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 1:13 PM
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annpeeples-
I did order some of the Kentucky creams you recommended from Schneider's Candy when I placed my order for Christmas. They were delicious and practically melted in your mouth. Still not as good as the buckeyes, though!

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 2:23 PM
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What's the deal with the Southview Restaurant opening up at Newport on the Levee? It is supposed to be serving "urban soul food". Isn't that kind of redundant?

http://www.southviewrestaurant.com/



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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 3:55 PM
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What's the deal with the Southview Restaurant opening up at Newport on the Levee? It is supposed to be serving "urban soul food". Isn't that kind of redundant?


Another semi-fringe restaurant to take up location at "eminent domain on the levee." Very high rent thus high prices I'm sure, and unfortunately is really not a true soul food way of slinging meals. Neat idea, but I give them a year max given this regions MOTR culinary savyness and whining at prices of unique food locales around here.

(BTW, I'm off to try Le Vietenam Restaurant again tonite-- I tried it before and others panned it after my posts-- now that things have calmed down, so I'll keep you posted and post pics. I talk the talk so I'll walk the walk and plunk down a good 15 to 20 denaros to see for myself.)

jjjrfoodie

Info on SouthView for the non-browsy folks like myself.
"SouthView Restaurant at Newport on the Levee will offer an inviting upscale dining experience with an innovative twist on Southern Cuisine. The interior will feature a large dining area with a cozy fireplace and a unique view of the kitchen. Our private dining room is perfect for intimate celebrations with customizable menus, an eighteen person antique oak table and personalized service. Our thirty-three foot long granite bar will feature local wines, an extensive bourbon selection and unique cocktails in a warm lounge atmosphere. Our menu will change with the seasons, relying on locally grown produce, Kentucky raised beef, pork and lamb; with fresh herbs grown in our very own indoor garden! We will feature dishes such as cheddar grits soufflé topped with bacon brulee, spicy blue crab cake sandwich, Amish chicken gumbo, crayfish ravioli with chiffonade mustard greens, Heritage Farms baby back ribs, seasonal fruit cobblers and pies and house made ice creams….just to name a few. We will have our grand opening in January and SouthView is located on the plaza level between Brio and Tropicana. We look forward to bringing you a unique dining experience.
Jay VanderVoort - Owner
Sumant Sunkara - Owner
Veronica Maxwell - Executive Chef
James Mossing - Executive Chef
web site- www.southviewrestaurant.com

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 4:49 PM
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ok, but nothing about that sounds like a unique dining experience.

I, for one, am happy for the Newport on the Levee project, so I don't call it the eminent domain name, but I would like to see some more options opening up nearby. I love being able to walk to a movie and bookstore, but the chain restaurant options are awful.

I went to Claddaugh Irish Pub for a burger today. I got my bill and they charged me $3.90 for a diet coke. The soda is $1.95 and they charged me for a refill. Unreal. I will NEVER go back there. I could've had a good beer for that amount of money. Or, I could've purchased a 12 pack of soda. I could understand if this was poured from a can, but it was soda from a cannister at the bar.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 5:58 PM
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I made it to Sub Station II in Florence during a shopping foray to the Florence Mall.

I wasn't honestly aware they were a "national" chain (albeit they're[url='http://www.substationii.com/locationssub.htm']mostly in the Carolinas[/url]) until I did a search to see if I could find a local review I recall reading from a few years back

http://www.substationii.com/alltheway.htm

Had a #19 done up "all the way", which is the closest approximation they have to a standard italian sub. I thought the meat and toppings were very good and very generous, but the bread was not up to par. Overall pretty good, but not worthy of a special trip.

Anyone else eaten there?


I have a friend who lives less than a mile from there, and we've eaten there on a couple of occasions. I agree, not worthy of a special trip. There isn't anything to differentiate it from Jersey Mike's, which has recently decreased its number of sandwich offerings and increased its prices. Fortunately, Jersey Mike's kept the #10, which I still enjoy "Mike's Way" (sans tomatoes) during Lent.

That's the first I've heard of SouthView, and their version of "soul food" sounds less than appetizing at the moment. Of course, I'm in Lafayette, LA at the moment, where the real thing is readily available.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 6:20 PM
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Originally posted by soozycue520

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Originally posted by Sandy Thruthegarden




I am also trying to remember what Madonna's was called back in the '70s when the walls were covered with pictures of Sinatra and his was the only music played in the place. But, I'm "geezing" here. YH- Can you help me with any info?

TIA

Sandy


I remember "Jonathons" being where "Madonna's" is now. Is that what you are thinking of?



Upon reflection, I think it might have been called the 'Seventh Street Watering Hole" back in the mid '70s. I think it became Jonathan's later. I'm glad you posted though. I had forgotten about Jonathan's.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Wed, 12/27/06 8:49 PM
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I went to Claddaugh Irish Pub for a burger today. I got my bill and they charged me $3.90 for a diet coke. The soda is $1.95 and they charged me for a refill. Unreal. I will NEVER go back there. I could've had a good beer for that amount of money. Or, I could've purchased a 12 pack of soda. I could understand if this was poured from a can, but it was soda from a cannister at the bar.



You'd pay $1.95 for a can of Diet Coke?
No wonder you like the Levee.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/28/06 9:00 AM
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no Wallyum that is not what I said. Nowhere in my post does it say that I pay $1.95 for a can of soda. My point, which you missed, was that it was outrageously priced. My comment about the can was meant to show that it was even more outrageous because it was from a fountain gun. Geez, I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

Did you read my post? I said that I DO NOT like the chain restaurants at the Levee, but I do enjoy being able to walk to go see a movie.

Why do I have this feeling that all you guys who rip the Levee live in suburbia and shop at the mall? It's easy for those of you who do not live in downtown to wax nostalgic for the days when it was just condemned buildings, crackhouses, and piles of garbage.




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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/28/06 9:29 AM
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I wax nostalgic for the days when Newport still blissfully collected my mother-in-law's property taxes on her home, which was suddenly "blighted" when developers announced that they wanted the land her house (and many others) happened to sit upon. Truly, this was an amazing coincidence, that all the houses on the desired land became blighted the very day that the developers wanted the land.

But I digress....let's get back to the good eats......

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/28/06 3:14 PM
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weren't you the one who was just saying that the Over the Rhine area was too dangerous? ironic.


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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/28/06 3:22 PM
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Did you read my post? I said that I DO NOT like the chain restaurants at the Levee, but I do enjoy being able to walk to go see a movie.



I would be lead to belive that Wallyum was being sarcastic with his comment.

Aside from TJ's situation, I feel the eats at the Levee, while mostly good, reflect the high cost of rent in thier food prices and can command those prices since they have a captured audience (a'la Disney) once you have paid your $5 to park in thier garage up front.

If there is something that suits everyone's fancy and you care to drop the dollars, then it is indeed a fine place to dine. I'm saddened that Pacific Moon has changed their food and dining experience direction but Mitchell's and others provide great food, but the crowds and wait times on the weekends keep me away.

Happpy dining.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Thu, 12/28/06 6:46 PM
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I also enjoy most of the dining options at the Levee, although Pacific Moon isn't one of them. That's the first I've heard of Claddagh charging for refills, but I haven't been to that location in at least a year.

Personally, I have no problem with the development in Newport, because it (at the very least) offers a moviegoing option to an area that hadn't had anything since the Real closed down in the mid-90's. Wax nostalgic all you like, but Newport was a dangerous area that, unlike Over-The-Rhine, had no interest in bettering itself until the developers stepped in.

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Fri, 12/29/06 10:51 PM
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no Wallyum that is not what I said. Nowhere in my post does it say that I pay $1.95 for a can of soda. My point, which you missed, was that it was outrageously priced. My comment about the can was meant to show that it was even more outrageous because it was from a fountain gun. Geez, I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

Did you read my post? I said that I DO NOT like the chain restaurants at the Levee, but I do enjoy being able to walk to go see a movie.

Why do I have this feeling that all you guys who rip the Levee live in suburbia and shop at the mall? It's easy for those of you who do not live in downtown to wax nostalgic for the days when it was just condemned buildings, crackhouses, and piles of garbage.



Ease up, Rob. It was a joke.
Here, I'll make it more obvious...

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RE: WhereToEat: Cincinnati and N.Ky (open chat) - Sat, 12/30/06 3:04 PM
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I went back to Le's Vietnamese restaurant on Thursday and dropped around $20 for a couple of carry-out meals.

All in all, it was quite yummy and very unique. Not up to the top level when compared to Song Long's, my local "always good" Pho joint, but I will return to Le's to continue to sample the menu.

EDIT: Le's dining update below:

Went back to Le’s last week in an attempt to sort out more of the menu and see where this place really falls in the scale of local Vietnamese restaurants.

I was on my way home from the office, so I decide to do a carry-out of two meals that varied greatly in ingredients and type. I chose the #29, Spicy vermicelli soup with spicy beef stew and then a simple BBQ roast pork with steamed rice meal. (I was warned the spicy beef stew was VERY spicy, but I like my food very very hot, so I was not deterred.)

After getting things home and doing a little prep (I still cannot find my dishes, hence the disposable bowls--ugh), the amount of food given was quite nice. The soup came in a 32oz container and was full to the brim . It included a very very good but not stellar chile and tomato based beef broth, along with some lemongrass and a LOT of heat for most (Probably a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10) and also included a good amount of shredded beef. In a separate container came the sides that are to be added to the broth once portioned out. These included more sliced beef, Vietnamese sliced pork loaf, noodles (in the form of spaghetti—odd I thought), cilantro, cooked onion slices, and sliced jalepenos a’la typical pho fare. I got 3 meals out of this part using big portions, so it is quite a bit of food.

The roast pork BBQ was the same meat as the sandwich reviewed earlier, but by adding sauce and stir frying it, the result was far more tender than the meat used in the sandwich. It was a nice sized meal as well, and tasty, and unique, but not anything most would not say is typical in a Chinese take-away place.

Spicy Beef stew


Fixins’ and soup container minus what is in bowl shown above


BBQ Roast pork with rice


All in all the food was very good and I’ll keep diggin into the menu to find more goodies and try the Pho to set up a baseline on that item.

There is still nary a patron in the place when I drive by and while I was there and the beer I had at On- the- Rox bar next door while waiting for my food was interesting in itself. My guess is that Le’s is a neat idea but bad location for anything but simple and known ethnic food.

BTW, For those on the Westside of town, the Angilo’s pizzeria at Cheviot Rd. and Westwood-Northern boulevard has closed and a little mom-and-pop Jamaican restaurant has opened there. I’ll stop in next week and see what’s up although I’m not over that way very often.

There is also a mom-and-pop style Peruvian restaurant IIRC over on Rt. 4 at Kemper amongst all of the construction for those strip centers and I need to stop in there as well to see what they offer.

Hope this helps.

Jerry
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