Biscuits n' gravy

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carolina bob
Filet Mignon
2009/01/23 16:33:21
I hate to start a new thread off on a negative note, but I just had a really awful biscuits n' gravy experience, and I feel the need to warn everybody. I have a favorite breakfast stop in Schererville Indiana called Round the Clock. It's a 24-hour restaurant that's part of a mini-chain in NW Indiana, and it's on US30 just west of US41. I've always ordered the same thing ( eggs, sausage, home fries and toast ), and I've always enjoyed it. Last Saturday, though, I decided to do something different and ordered the sausage gravy and biscuits meal. Big, big mistake. Not only was it the worst biscuits n' gravy I've ever had, but it was easily among the worst restaurant food I've ever eaten, period. The gravy had no pepper or any other spices in it - totally devoid of flavor. It was supposed to be sausage gravy, but I found only about a half-dozen pieces in it; cubed, no less. The biscuits were even worse. They were the truly awful pre-made frozen ones supplied by outfits like Sysco, and they were almost inedible; I had to force the damn things down. I don't understand how a restaurant that ordinarily serves good breakfasts could screw up on a simple dish like this. 
Wabbit
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/23 18:08:22
Sounds like you need a trip to Biscuitville to cleanse your palate.
ann peeples
Sirloin
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/23 18:10:29
I was thinking the same thing, Wabbit.I liked Biscuitvilles version( although I make pretty darn good biscuits and gravy!)
Wabbit
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/23 18:15:42
Nothing like home made, but as I have one 1 mile away, well ...whats a Wabbit to do!
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/23 20:34:13
Wabbit and annpeeples, you're both 100% correct. Biscuitville is JUST what I need. I never go down to Mount Airy without at least one breakfast at Biscuitville. I was wistfully thinking about B-ville as I was trying to force down that inedible swill at Round the Clock the other morning. I just don't get it. I've NEVER had a bad breakfast at RTC before. Sausage gravy and biscuits is such a simple dish; how did they manage to get every aspect of it so wrong? Hardee's is another chain that does a really good version of SG & B. We no longer have Hardee's in Chicagoland, and I truly miss them at breakfast time.   
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/23 20:57:46
Biscuits & Gravy are like potato salad,--You never know whart you're going to get. I have a mental check sheet I use in a new or old place where I've never had their B & G:
1. Do you make your Biscuits from scratch or are they frozen?
2. Do you make your gravy from scratch?
3. Do you put lotsa ground sausage and pepper in your Gravy?
4. Is it served piping hot? 
5. As a true B & G Lover, if you were me would YOU order it?
6. If it's not what you said it was, will you take it off my bill?

Problem Solved! Caveat emptor! Let the buyer beware! " />

post edited by Foodbme - 2009/01/23 21:02:45
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/24 01:22:25
Thanks for the advice, Foodbme. I sure learned my lesson last Saturday. The lesson that I learned? Never order biscuits n' gravy north of the Ohio River!!!
doggydaddy
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/24 07:48:26
Foodbme

Biscuits & Gravy are like potato salad,--You never know whart you're going to get. I have a mental check sheet I use in a new or old place where I've never had their B & G:
1. Do you make your Biscuits from scratch or are they frozen?
2. Do you make your gravy from scratch?
3. Do you put lotsa ground sausage and pepper in your Gravy?
4. Is it served piping hot? 
5. As a true B & G Lover, if you were me would YOU order it?
6. If it's not what you said it was, will you take it off my bill?

Problem Solved! Caveat emptor! Let the buyer beware! " />



I usually will simplify the whole procedure.  It is the 'Hash Qualifier',  I will ask the waitron if the hash comes from a can?  One clue is when hash is listed as a side dish only.

If the answer is "Yes", then you can rest assured that the pancake/waffles come from a mix and there is no real maple syrup in the house. The biscuits are from the supplier, with the sausage gravy coming from hell....

mark


dtortor1
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 04:06:52
this is something i have been struggling with.

I make awesome, learned from my grandpa sausage gravy with lots of pepper and it ohh so good.

Make a nice roux of grease add milk and ta da.

Here is the issue.. I'm opening a concession trailer soon and an event coming soon would allow me to be the only breakfast.

I only have a flat top grill and deep fryers. I was thinking make my sausage on the flat top, then use a powdered mix from Sams and add my own sausage in with lots of pepper flakes. I'm worried what I'll get.

For biscuits, the only way I could figure to provide good biscuits with no oven is to get something set up with the local hardees and see if they'll sell me a bunch in bulk.

Any suggestions? Should I just stick with pancakes and sausage?

Dom
boyardee65
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 04:42:52
 Sorry to say that even though our conned beef hash is out of a can, some of our home made recipes are very good. You can't judge a restaurant by only one side dish.
 We do make our biscuits with a mix, but it is our mix!
  We make our gravy from scratch with plenty of pepper and sausage!
    We serve everything off our line at at least 140 degrees so I know that it is piping hot.

  David Oberle @ MATSU Family Restaurant, Wasilla, AK
John A
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 07:35:31
Cannot beat biscuits and homemede gravy with home fries. I do use Grand biscuits, they are as good as I can do and a lot easier.

edwmax
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 08:03:30
dtortor1

this is something i have been struggling with.

I make awesome, learned from my grandpa sausage gravy with lots of pepper and it ohh so good.

Make a nice roux of grease add milk and ta da.

Here is the issue.. I'm opening a concession trailer soon and an event coming soon would allow me to be the only breakfast.

I only have a flat top grill and deep fryers. I was thinking make my sausage on the flat top, then use a powdered mix from Sams and add my own sausage in with lots of pepper flakes. I'm worried what I'll get.

For biscuits, the only way I could figure to provide good biscuits with no oven is to get something set up with the local hardees and see if they'll sell me a bunch in bulk.

Any suggestions? Should I just stick with pancakes and sausage?

Dom


I'm thinking a toaster oven or gas grill.  The question is how many and fast will you need them.   The gas grill can be set up to bake with double racks. 
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 08:44:43
dtortor1 - frankly, this doesn't sound at all promising. As soon as I read the words "powdered mix", all my RF bells and alarms went off. IMHO, you'd probably be better off just dropping the biscuits n' gravy idea, and sticking with the pancakes etc.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 09:35:27
dtortor1

this is something i have been struggling with.

I make awesome, learned from my grandpa sausage gravy with lots of pepper and it ohh so good.

Make a nice roux of grease add milk and ta da.

Here is the issue.. I'm opening a concession trailer soon and an event coming soon would allow me to be the only breakfast.

I only have a flat top grill and deep fryers. I was thinking make my sausage on the flat top, then use a powdered mix from Sams and add my own sausage in with lots of pepper flakes. I'm worried what I'll get.

For biscuits, the only way I could figure to provide good biscuits with no oven is to get something set up with the local hardees and see if they'll sell me a bunch in bulk.

Any suggestions? Should I just stick with pancakes and sausage?

Dom


My general rule of thumb---If you can't do it right, don't do it! That being said, IF you can get your biscuits from Hardee's and you can make a decent gravy as you describe, go for it. I'm a big Hardee's Biscuit lover!
emsmom
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/26 20:42:57

My Mom is having the family over Saturday night with fried chicken, fried chicken gravy and homemade biscuits. Along with some good vegies
post edited by emsmom - 2009/01/27 08:48:26
dtortor1
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/01/27 01:37:34
i agree about the part if I can't do it right...

I was just gonna try the gravy and see if I could doctor it up but if it sucks it sucks and I won't serve it.

If I do, people won't come back for lunch!

Dom
porkchopexpress
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/03 21:38:20
John A

Cannot beat biscuits and homemede gravy with home fries. I do use Grand biscuits, they are as good as I can do and a lot easier.



Wow!!! That looks great

DougS
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/12 20:14:01
A lot of love goes into those home fries.

I think good gravy depends on how brown the rue gets.
Wabbit
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/13 23:49:35
I agree, if the roux is not right, the gravy has not a chance.  I do think the quality of the sausage is quite important also.  When you are lucky to find a place(other than home or mom's kitchen) Tell your friends and let the owners know!
brittneal
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/14 01:55:50
I went to the Carriage house in Enon, Oh a bit ago.  Ive had their biscuits and gravy before and the were quite good.  We got there at noon.  The meny said they were only served till noon, so its part my fault.
The waitress said they had a slow breakfast so plenty was left.  I order the small, which is one large biscuit cut in half.
This time the biscuits were so stale that they were crunchy.  The gravy was about ready to break.  My gues was the steam table ran out of water and it scoched.
There was no sausage in the gravy this time.  Only roughly chopped hunks of hamburger patty.  From the taste, they only made a milk gravy and added precooked burger.
When asked how it was I I told the manager that it was the worst meal I could remember.  Her exact words were "No its not).
That was when we were paying the check.  We never saw our server after she brought our food.  I had iced tea and ran out half way thru my meal.  I could never get a refil.  In fact we went to the counter w/o a check.  The manager had to get it from the server.
britt
Buddy Dek
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/15 18:58:14
WOW! You needed a check after that and paid for it.
DougS
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/17 22:42:37
I prefer bacon grease to sausage grease for making gravy.
Has more taste in my humble opinion.
Most biscuit gravy in restaurants is a thick white gloop and comes closer to resembling wall paper paste. Good gravy is not white.
For the most part, the biscuits are pretty good, though.
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/17 23:19:06
brittneal, I'm sorry to hear about your disappointing biscuits n' gravy experience. After the one I had last month, I sure can sympathize with you. I love sausage gravy and biscuits, and it's a relatively easy dish to make. How is it that so many restaurants nowadays seem totally clueless when it comes to preparing a decent quality B n' G? And canned sausage gravy is even worse. I recently tried both the Campbell's and Mayberry's Finest brands of canned sausage gravy; the Campbell's was mediocre and the Mayberry's Finest was just plain awful. Guess I'll just stick to the gravy in boiling bags from Tennessee Pride. 
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/17 23:35:09
DougS

Good gravy is not white.


 
I beg to differ DougS. You can make a good white gravy---Maybe it's a little off white but it can be done!


Jennie
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/18 11:47:26
My hubby makes it with loose bratwurst. Far more flavorful than regular sausage.
Williamsburger
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/18 14:25:49
Could you make the gravey in advace and keep it warm in a pot or chafing dish?
Can't help you with the biscuits.
 
Cathy
wheregreggeats.com
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/18 15:06:32
Foodbme

Biscuits & Gravy are like potato salad,--You never know whart you're going to get. I have a mental check sheet I use in a new or old place where I've never had their B & G:
1. Do you make your Biscuits from scratch or are they frozen?
2. Do you make your gravy from scratch?
3. Do you put lotsa ground sausage and pepper in your Gravy?
4. Is it served piping hot? 
5. As a true B & G Lover, if you were me would YOU order it?
6. If it's not what you said it was, will you take it off my bill?

Problem Solved! Caveat emptor! Let the buyer beware! " />


Do you microwave the biscuits ??? !!!
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/20 08:55:21
Sausage gravy with bratwurst??? Microwaved biscuits??? Suddenly, I don't feel so good.....
doggydaddy
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/20 10:22:23

There is no place like home...
The sausage was a local supermarket blend and I used Pillsbury frozen biscuits and recommend them in a pinch


Keeping with the theme of stuff on a shingle, here is a budget version of chipped beef made with Buddig sliced beef.


mark

Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/20 11:20:51

I'm sitting here eating Biscuits & Gravy as I type. I started with 1# of fresh store made sage seasoned sausage, chopped up and fried in a high side skillet. I used 1 packet of McCormick Sausage Flavor Country Gravy Mix mixed with 2 cups of water. When the sausage was done, poured the gravy mix into the pan, stirring until it came to a boil & thickened. Poured it over some home made biscuits and enjoyed.
If you want a little more gravy, Use a half pound of sausage to 1 packet of mix or conversely, 2 packets of gravy mix to 1 # of sausage. 
russ2304
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/20 12:12:22
Best I ever had was about year and half ago-----------Doubletree Hotel in Charlottesville,Va.------breakfast buffet over Labor Day weekend---3 days in a row----addictively wonderful------------don't know if this recipe is standard in all Hilton family of hotels or unique to this location-------------I will try and find out and if am lucky will post!
 
Russ
 
Any one else ever.............................?
DougS
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/22 07:14:40
Foodbme

DougS

Good gravy is not white.


 
I beg to differ DougS. You can make a good white gravy---Maybe it's a little off white but it can be done!
I some what agree Foodbme. I rate most food as good or edible; it is just that some is better than others. Browning the rue is that extra step of love.
 
White gravy is more like Bechamel just doesn't come across as good southern country cooking. Good gravy is a art, the same as good biscuits and it doesn't come from a mix. It comes from a good cooks love.

 
tcrouzer
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/22 09:34:44
In my experience cooking and eating biscuits and gravy, browning of the white gravy results from taking the time to brown the flour in the drippings in the pan with the cooked sausage crumbles and stirring up the cooked on bits as you go. Not difficult, but just a little more time consuming.

"Good gravy is a art, the same as good biscuits and it doesn't come from a mix. It comes from a good cooks love. "

My love of biscuits and gravy for breakfast came from my grandparents: she made the biscuits while he cooked the sausage and made the gravy. I ate it up and enjoyed the love.
georgiadogs
Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/02/23 19:18:11
Problem around here is, you can't find homade gravy anywhere. Even Hardee's uses a premix. There are biscuit places everywhere but they all use powdered gravy. Maybe for consistancy or for health reasons. Don't know. The wifes is pretty good though.
'QueperMan
Junior Burger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/11 20:28:56
I personally think that McDonald's has some of the best biscuits n' gravy.  However, I have noticed that these are not offered in many McDonalds' outside of North Carolina.  Better than Hardees by a mile-- in my opinion.
jman
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/11 20:53:47
'QueperMan

I personally think that McDonald's has some of the best biscuits n' gravy.  However, I have noticed that these are not offered in many McDonalds' outside of North Carolina.  Better than Hardees by a mile-- in my opinion.


I find it a little strange that someone who lives in the south thinks that McD's has good gravy.  When it comes to FF, I'm pretty tolerant, but McD's gravy is nasty.  I think they make it spicy to cover up the taste.  Apparently, some people like it.  They keep selling it.
John A
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 08:03:51
My wife does the best sausage gravy  I've ever had. Those gals from east TN have the touch.

doggydaddy
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 08:46:52

posted elsewhere...
Is it too soon to comment that we have too many competing biscuit and gravy threads...?
I did notice that one uses and while the other uses  n'...
Is that a difference?

mark
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 11:27:31
Mark, I was totally unaware of a biscuits AND gravy thread, or I wouldn't have started this one. 'Queperman, I have never heard of biscuits n' gravy at McDonald's; it's certainly not available at their outlets in this part of the country. Even if it was, there's no way that I'm gonna try it; after all, it IS McDonald's ( fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice..... )  
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 11:43:04
Several years ago, I had breakfast at Hathaway's coffee shop in downtown Cincinnati (reviewed by Michael Stern on this site).  They cooked the biscuits on top of a griddle -- they didn't bake them (or microwave them).  I've never seen that done before.
 
By the way, nocarolina, just out of curiosity:  in your original post, you painted a vivid picture of how awful the biscuits and gravy you were served were.  If they were that bad, why did you "force them down"?   Why didn't you send them back -- or just not eat them?  
'QueperMan
Junior Burger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 19:48:52
jman

'QueperMan

I personally think that McDonald's has some of the best biscuits n' gravy.  However, I have noticed that these are not offered in many McDonalds' outside of North Carolina.  Better than Hardees by a mile-- in my opinion.


I find it a little strange that someone who lives in the south thinks that McD's has good gravy.  When it comes to FF, I'm pretty tolerant, but McD's gravy is nasty.  I think they make it spicy to cover up the taste.  Apparently, some people like it.  They keep selling it.


Haha. I figured I'd get some of this, but I really do like it.  I also think that Mc D's pancakes are pretty awesome...I'm a little ashamed to admit it, but I guess everyone's got their secret favorites. haha
post edited by 'QueperMan - 2009/03/12 19:52:21
jman
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 20:03:40
'QueperMan


Haha. I figured I'd get some of this, but I really do like it.  I also think that Mc D's pancakes are pretty awesome...I'm a little ashamed to admit it, but I guess everyone's got their secret favorites. haha


You're right.  We all have our own strange tastes.  I like McD's pancakes too.
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Biscuits n' gravy 2009/03/12 21:54:55
You know, rumaki, I've asked myself that question more than a few times since that morning. In retrospect, I probably should have sent that mess back and had them replace it with the ol' reliable sausage/eggs/taters. I've definitely learned from this experience, and in the future I won't just sit there and suffer in silence ( "Excuse me, waitress, but this sh** sucks." )