Ways to cook the bird

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Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
2003/11/25 16:45:35
Around the Sundancer's house, the family likes the turkey roasted with no stuffing. The Sundancer likes to smoke the bird. The daughter and son in law likes it fried and my mom who lives next door just likes the drum stick.

If I did all that, we would have left over turkey until sometime mid 2004.

What I probably am going to do is roast a medium bird, smoke a small bird and forget the rest.

I wish there was a commercial firm that would fry the bird since I have heard many say that it is wonderful.

A roasted bird seems to dry out very shortly while a smoked bird stays moist. I have heard that the fried bird stays moist also.

Has anyone ever tried doing them on the charcoal grill with BBQ sauce?

Family wants to do dinner around noon due to the grandchildrens naps.
I sorta was hoping to do dinner later as it is fun to imbibe before. Oh well, gotta be good for the sake of the family. I guess I will start the electric smoker around 6:00AM and put a 10lb bird on. I think I will get a small turkey for this instead of a chicken.

What do you think my wife would say if she saw me drinking a white wine at 6:00AM while starting the smoking bird

Regardless
Happy Thanksgiving to all you roadfooders

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
dendan
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 16:58:22
quote:
Originally posted by Sundancer7

Around the Sundancer's house, the family likes the turkey roasted with no stuffing. The Sundancer likes to smoke the bird. The daughter and son in law likes it fried and my mom who lives next door just likes the drum stick.

If I did all that, we would have left over turkey until sometime mid 2004.

What I probably am going to do is roast a medium bird, smoke a small bird and forget the rest.

I wish there was a commercial firm that would fry the bird since I have heard many say that it is wonderful.

A roasted bird seems to dry out very shortly while a smoked bird stays moist. I have heard that the fried bird stays moist also.

Has anyone ever tried doing them on the charcoal grill with BBQ sauce?

Family wants to do dinner around noon due to the grandchildrens naps.
I sorta was hoping to do dinner later as it is fun to imbibe before. Oh well, gotta be good for the sake of the family. I guess I will start the electric smoker around 6:00AM and put a 10lb bird on. I think I will get a small turkey for this instead of a chicken.

What do you think my wife would say if she saw me drinking a white wine at 6:00AM while starting the smoking bird

Regardless
Happy Thanksgiving to all you roadfooders

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN



She'd say...OH, I thought a red would be better with smoked turkey!
Lone Star
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 17:00:25
Sundancer - my dad always does just a breast of turkey on the grill and it is always fabulous. He puts a rub on it and grills it over a low heat, basting with a sauce towards the end. It is what I always ask for when it is my turn to pick the menu for my birthday!

It makes the meat tender with that dark, crunchy, saucy outside.

As for imbibing? Like the song says - It's five o'clock somewhere!

My boss usually has two glasses of white wine when we go to lunch everday at 11:30. We do have a lot of fun at work!
cindyloo
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 17:00:35
Sundancer, I personally see nothing wrong with a nice bloody mary or perhaps a screwdriver while setting up your smoker in the early AM. In fact, I think it would be a very nice way to start the holiday festivities.

But I don't know if I could drink chardonnay that early...

dendan
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 17:03:05
Turkey or no...all these suggestions are making me thirsty...off to have a nice glass of.....
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 17:04:39
LoneStar and Cindyloo:

Cindy, you got a point there and a bloody mary at 6:00AM is probably the best. I think I will make them the night before with habernero sauce, pickled okra, celery salt and some fresh celery.

Great suggestion Lonestar on the breast on the charcoal grill with lotsa BBQ sauce.

Thanks
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
chezkatie
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 17:05:29
quote:
Originally posted by cindyloo

Sundancer, I personally see nothing wrong with a nice bloody mary or perhaps a screwdriver while setting up your smoker in the early AM. In fact, I think it would be a very nice way to start the holiday festivities.

But I don't know if I could drink chardonnay that early...




I think that any special day should start off with a huge glass of champagne!
Bushie
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 17:58:07
BEER makes a great breakfast drink. burp
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/25 19:33:00
I am going to put all sorts of things in the water when I smoke my bird. I have been told that it does not make a big difference when you add spices to the water when you do the smoking thing, but I will add oranges, limes, orange marmalade, BBQ sauce, onions, peppers and soulf food spices.

I will let this mixture go over my bird while it is in the electric smoker.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
Julia I
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 00:34:37
We use a Nesco roaster for our turkey. It stays unbelieveably moist and frees up the oven for everything else, including the pork roast that my Mom has decided that we need to make this year. (We won't, however, need the oven for desserts. We spent today making cookies, cupcakes, cheesecake, lemon bars and fudge cake. Tomorrow will probably be pumpkin and pecan pie. We'll probably have to lock everything up or no one will ever get around to eating turkey!) " />
GordonW
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 00:44:02
I just tried the brined turkey recipe from Alton Brown (FoodTV). Used a fresh bird (not frozen), with no Butterball injections. It came out great -- moist and great flavor.
Bushie
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 09:00:37
quote:
Originally posted by GordonW

I just tried the brined turkey recipe from Alton Brown (FoodTV). Used a fresh bird (not frozen), with no Butterball injections. It came out great -- moist and great flavor.

Thanks for the report. I was intending to try Alton's method (watched the show a few days ago), but I've decided to deep-fry instead. Glad to hear it was good; I'll definitely give it a try in the future.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 09:18:41
This is a real amateur question but what is brining a turkey and what does it do. How do you do it?

I am going to roast a turkey and smoke a turkey tomorrrow.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
scbuzz
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 09:25:48
Basically you just soak the bird in this brine mixture for 8 to 12 hours prior to cooking ! The brine mixture is salt water and can have some other ingrediants added for extra flavor !

I saw a TV show the other day and they talked about brining a turkey. The host stated that the brining process actually allowed the water to pass in and out of the bird taking the salt with it therefore causing the flavoring to be internal. It is also supposed to make the bird much more juicier !! The host of the show also added orange juice to the brine mixture for added flavor !
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 09:28:15
What is the ratio of salt to water and how much OJ used?

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 10:29:05
quote:
Originally posted by Sundancer7

What is the ratio of salt to water and how much OJ used?

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

I generally go with 1/2 cup suger and 1/2 cup salt per gallon of water. then I throw in several pepper corns and garlic powder, onion powder to taste, usually about 3tbs of each give or take. I hope this helps. I use this same brine when I smoke almost everything from aligator jerky to zebra roast, j/k but I use it on a lot of things.
hatteras04
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 10:30:15
Here is a link to Alton Brown's recipe from foodtv. I have not tried it but those that have say it does wonders for the flavor.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_8389,00.html
booboobirdie
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 10:34:57


I found this on cbs.com. I'm personally trying a honey brine recipe that I found on epicurious.com. I'll keep you posted on how it turns out.

Recipe for Brined Holiday *Whole Turkey

• One 12-pound whole turkey
• 1 cup lemon juice
• 3/4 cup fresh orange juice
• 1 gallon of water
• 1 cup kosher salt
• 1 cup packed light brown sugar
• 1 cup chopped yellow onion
• 2 oranges, cut in half
• 3 cinnamon sticks
• 2 tablespoons whole cloves
• 2 tablespoons whole allspice berries
• 1 cup brandy
• 1 tablespoon vegetable oil
• 1 tablespoon Emeril's Original Essence, which is simply a combination of 5 tablespoons sweet paprika, 1/4 cup salt, 1/4 cup garlic powder, 2 tablespoons freshly ground black pepper, 2 tablespoons onion powder, 2 tablespoons cayenne, 2 tablespoons dried oregano, 2 tablespoons dried thyme. Mix together and use 1 tablespoon of the mixture for this recipe. Store leftovers in a plastic container.

Directions

1. To make the brining liquid, combine the ingredients listed above, except for the vegetable oil and the Emeril's Essence, in a large nonreactive container and stir.

2. Put the turkey in a large colander and rinse under cold running water. Put the turkey in the brine, cover, and refrigerate, turning the turkey at least four times. Soak for at least 12 hours and up to 24 hours. (If you do not have a large non-reactive container, put the turkey in a large, heavy-duty plastic garbage bag. Make the marinade in a large bowl and pour the marinade into the bag. Put the bag inside a large container or roasting pan in case it should leak or drip.) Preheat the oven to 375 degrees F.

3. Remove the turkey from the brine (discard the brine) and put it breast side up in a large heavy roasting pan. Pat the turkey dry with paper towels. Rub the turkey with the vegetable oil, and sprinkle on both sides with the tablespoon of Emeril's Essence.

4. Roast until deep golden brown and an instant-read thermometer inserted in the thigh joint reads 170 degrees F. Allow about 15 minutes per pound — approximately 3 hours. Transfer to a platter and let stand for 15 minutes before carving. Then carve the turkey and serve with the fresh cranberry compote (recipe below).



scbuzz
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 10:36:03
Thank you Hatteras for the link !!

Sundancer that was the TV show I was watching !! Sorry that I was not more specific !!

Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 18:05:31
I got the electric smoker ready to go. I got it set up for the bird tomorrow morning early.

I will be putting the bird on at 6:00AM for a noon lunch. I just put my water together with onion, sweet pepper, kayo syrup, Bushie's BBQ sauce and some other goodies.

I will coat the bird at 6:00AM for lunch at noon.

I will let you know how it turns out.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
CheeseWit
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 18:38:32
Paul, I'm interested in hearing how your bird turns out. I've been thinking about an electric smoker. The idea of smoking a turkey yourself sounds very foreign to any Philadelphian I talk about it with. They (and we) are used to ordering smoked turkey at the deli counter.
Jennie
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 18:46:25
quote:
Originally posted by Bushie

BEER makes a great breakfast drink. burp


Breakfast of Maniacs . . .

Mr. Jennie suggests cranberry Schnapps, orange juice, and either Sprite or champagne.

I thought a nice spiked hot chocolate would go down well.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 18:47:15
CheeseWit: I will let you know. I got it ready to go and in the morning at 5:00AM I will fire it off. Six hours on the smoker will tell the truth.

I will coat the bird with oil and hopefully it will be brown and crispy.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
cajun
Junior Burger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 19:48:04
Just a thought for next year, (cajun microwave)
EdSails
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 20:05:54
Paul,
This is the second year that I'm brining my turkey. Everyone last year said it was the best, juiciest turkey thaey had ever had. Impressive, considering I started with a "giveaway" frozen bird from the supermarket. The only differences I haven't heard mentioned here are using apple juice/cider for the liquid and to take the turkey out of the brine and dry it off several hours before roasting. That makes for more evenly distributed flavor and juiciness as well as for a crisper skin.

Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
Ed
kdiammond
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/26 20:09:18
I brine all the time and have found it really good for any meat that gets tough. I do it for beef roasts as well as turkeys. My turkey is in the fridge in a mix of Vietnamese fish sauce, sugar, chile, and garlic. Did this last year and was the best ever after dried and rubbed with oil.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/27 05:17:51
Well, I brined the bird and it is 5:00AM and I just stuck the bird in the smoker. I have been told that it does no good to put stuff in the water, but I did anyway. I put apples, onions, peppers and some of Bushies famous BBQ sauce in the water.

After pulling the bird from the brine, I coated it with Olive oil, seasoned salt, pepper, paprika and some more of Bushies BBQ sauce he brought me from Austin.

I am going next door to Mom's where she has some Mello Joy dark roast coffee on and have a few cups and read the paper which will be stuffed with sale ads for tomorrow.

Incidentally, I am still doing the Adkins thing. so I bought some cauliflower and I am going to steam it, add some butter, salt and pepper and call it mash potatoes.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
lleechef
Sirloin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 02:50:54
Sounds yummy, Sundancer. I cooked one of the ring-necked pheasants that I shot in Iowa, with morel mushroom sauce, sweet potatoes, brussels sprouts with onion and bacon. I'm known far and wide as the PIE WENCH WITH THE CARDBOARD CRUST FROM HELL. Even explicit instructions from my sainted mother who is the pie QUEEN of the planet do not seem to help. Well....I made a mincemeat pie that my beloved SO requested. It came out of the oven smelling like heaven, I was thinking maybe we won't need the chain saw to cut it this year. Hmmmmmm. Time for dessert, I cut into the pie, gave it the traditional splash of Bourbon like Grandma Zemanek did and it was like puff pastry. SO ate three pieces and said it was the best pie he'd had in 20 years since his French Grandmother passed away. Whew. I passed the test. FINALLY!
Argent
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 07:36:26
I use a beer , apple cider/juice in my gas water smoker, You can taste all the differnt elements in the bird, I also use Pecan wood chips, Gives a nutty subtle flavor,
This year I did ducks and a goose using a very simlar tech.
CheeseWit
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 09:00:39
Sundancer: How did it go? How was your dinner??
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 09:28:18
I planned on leving the bird in the smoker for six hours. It took nine and the bird was great. Tender, juicky and despite what I have been told, the spices in the water added definate flavor. I oiled the bird down before I put it in and added a lot of spices to it also.

I also enjoyed my cauliflower that I substituted for mashed potatoes. I steamed them for a while and put them in the food processor with a stick of sweet and slightly salted butter, added salt and pepper. Was not as good as real mashed potatoes (what is?) but they were good enough.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
Kristi S.
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 10:20:11
Here is a good way to put all that leftover turkey to use:

http://fruitedplain.netfirms.com/brown.htm

I plan to run out and get some cheese and try this tonight!
Jennie
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 11:56:33
Here are my mom's two leftover-turkey recipes:

Everything Turkey Casserole

Turkey
Stuffing
Mashed sweet potatoes
Cranberry Relish
Gravy

There are no measurements in this recipe. It's a matter of layering the ingredients in a casserole, using either the stuffing or sweet potatoes as the base. Then pile on the other leftovers, topping it all with gravy and baking at 350 degrees for 20 to 30 minutes.


Turkey Cashew Casserole

1/4 cup chopped onion
1 1/2 cups diced celery
2 tablespoons butter
1 can Cream of Mushroom soup
1/2 cup light cream
1/3 cup turkey broth
2 cups cooked turkey, diced
1/4 pound salted cashews
1 large can Chinese noodles (those little crunchy ones)

Saute onion and celery in butter. Mix with other ingredients, reserving half the noodles, and pour into large buttered casserole. Top with remaining noodles and bake at 325 degrees for 40 minutes or untl bubbly and brown. Serves 4-6.
Bushie
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 16:45:57
Sundance, I'll try your "mashed califlower" recipe. I'll admit, I'm skeptical of the taste, but the "glycemic index" would allow that for low-carb diets. I'll also experiment with adding other low GI veggies, and if I find something that really tastes good, I'll report back.
lleechef
Sirloin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/28 17:31:12
Bushie, try purple-top turnips, mashed, they're delicious. I used to serve a mound of 'em with my lamb dishes, nobody could figure out what they were! But ate them and seemed to go away with happy tummies!
lleechef
Sirloin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/29 01:23:34
Um, clothier, would you put me back in good graces if I said that mashed turnips also compliment duck very well? Along with a nice little serving of haricots verts and some glazed carrots? Huh? Mitterand was an easy target, my paying customers were much more......what's the word we like here......SNARKY. I could NEVER get away with serving leftovers to youze guys!!!!
EliseT
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/29 04:45:52
quote:
Originally posted by lleechef

Um, clothier, would you put me back in good graces if I said that mashed turnips also compliment duck very well? Along with a nice little serving of haricots verts and some glazed carrots? Huh? Mitterand was an easy target, my paying customers were much more......what's the word we like here......SNARKY. I could NEVER get away with serving leftovers to youze guys!!!!


Leftovers can be a beautiful thing. you serve it, we'll eat it and be grateful.
Bushie
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/29 19:37:16
quote:
Originally posted by lleechef

Bushie, try purple-top turnips, mashed, they're delicious. I used to serve a mound of 'em with my lamb dishes, nobody could figure out what they were! But ate them and seemed to go away with happy tummies!

Thanks, for the advice, lleechef! It's funny, when I was writing my post to Sundancer, the first veggie I thought was "turnips".

I love raw turnips, but I don't think I've ever eaten them cooked. I'll try it!
lleechef
Sirloin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/30 01:00:00
Bushie, cook them (quartered is best) until they're JUST done (like your beans!). Turnips tend to act like sponges the minute they're done.......full of water. Drain them into a collander. I personally happen to like lumps in my food......smashed potatoes as opposed to mashed and pureed. Get out the good 'ol tater masher and beat those turnips up with some salt, pepper, butter and heavy cream. With duck, I think it's one of the best side dishes.
You could also use the "turnips" that the Irish in South Boston cook with boiled dinner, that I think the rest of the civilized world call rutabaga. Very delicious and tasty in it's own right. I've never tried to mash it but I happen to find it the most tasty veg in the damned boiled dinner!
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/30 06:27:30
For some reason, I have never been a fan of turnips. Dad use to raise them in his garden and I could tolerate them raw with some salt, but when they were cooked, they had a slightly sweet taste that I could not adjust too.

The cauliflower I cooked for TG dinner was OK and a great substitute for potatoes. I even put giblet gravy over them.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
Cakes
Double Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/30 10:40:36
Turnips; The Brits call them swedes. Just thought I would throw that in.
Argent
Cheeseburger
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/30 16:18:31
The ducks and goose was by all acounts outatanding. I cant coment as I hate my own cooking, The great thing about Smoking what is a very fat laden bird, Is after 6 to 8 hours in a hot water smoker , With often peirceings to allow the fat to run out , The birds had very little grease left,
The flesh was moist and fragrent , With a red hue from the pecan wood smoke,
I fed about 10 , There were no leftovers.
Bushie
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/11/30 17:50:11
quote:
Originally posted by lleechef

Bushie, cook them (quartered is best) until they're JUST done (like your beans!). Turnips tend to act like sponges the minute they're done.......full of water. Drain them into a collander. I personally happen to like lumps in my food......smashed potatoes as opposed to mashed and pureed. Get out the good 'ol tater masher and beat those turnips up with some salt, pepper, butter and heavy cream. With duck, I think it's one of the best side dishes.
You could also use the "turnips" that the Irish in South Boston cook with boiled dinner, that I think the rest of the civilized world call rutabaga. Very delicious and tasty in it's own right. I've never tried to mash it but I happen to find it the most tasty veg in the damned boiled dinner!


Will do. Thanks.
EdSails
Filet Mignon
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/12/01 13:48:08
Madeturkey pot pies for the family Saturday night---------they went really fast! Added just a pinch of mace to the sauce and everyone loved it.
lleechef
Sirloin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/12/01 15:18:24
Was trying to decide on which thread to post this article, Unusual Ingredients was about chili, although these are some pretty strange concoctions. Since it was in our lively and very entertaining Thanksgiving newspaper I thought you all would like to see how other folks cook the turkey, along with some other yummy things. Actually where it states that they use whipped Crisco for the Eskimo icecream most natives use whipped seal oil . Read on....
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4448454p-4434571c.html
lleechef
Sirloin
RE: Ways to cook the bird 2003/12/01 15:40:53
quote:
Originally posted by clothier

whipped seal oil. Enough said.

The fish pie sounded good, though.

I also liked that the career opportunites were posted right there on the page. I didn't see anything for a haberdasher, though.

If you are proficient at softening seal skins with your teeth and sewing them by hand while covered in a Hefty trash bag (because the skins reek to high heaven and they protect their clothes this way) well, you might have a new career! Or if you know how to weave and sew Qiviut (the fur from the belly of a musk ox) you could have something there!