Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference?

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jonjax71
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Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Sun, 02/15/09 10:31 PM
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I admit ignorance about tomato sauce dressings, is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference between them or is it just a name distinction?
 
I don't use ketchup/catsup on fries, hash browns or other ind of potatoes. I prefer them plain with some pepper. I don't like catsup/ketchup on burgers either, I like them with mustard just like J. Wellington Wimpy.

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Sun, 02/15/09 10:39 PM
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Hello jonjax:

No, the question is not dumb and i was glad to research it as i know the answer but in a tidbit sorta way. I really love understanding how words come about and their history etc. Here is the answer:

[Q] From Suzanne: “Why is ketchup also called catsup?”
[A] Ketchup was one of the earliest names given to this condiment, so spelled in Charles Lockyer’s book of 1711, An Account of the Trade in India: “Soy comes in Tubbs from Jappan, and the best Ketchup from Tonquin; yet good of both sorts are made and sold very cheap in China”. Nobody seems quite sure where it comes from, and I won’t bore you with a long disquisition concerning the scholarly debate on the matter, which is reflected in the varied origins given in major dictionaries. It’s likely to be from a Chinese dialect, imported into English through Malay. The original was a kind of fish sauce, though the modern Malay and Indonesian version, with the closely related name kecap, is a sweet soy sauce.
Like their Eastern forerunners, Western ketchups were dipping sauces. I’m told the first ketchup recipe appeared in Elizabeth Smith’s book The Compleat Housewife of 1727 and that it included anchovies, shallots, vinegar, white wine, sweet spices (cloves, ginger, mace, nutmeg), pepper and lemon peel. Not a tomato in sight, you will note — tomato ketchup was not introduced until about a century later, in the US, and caught on only slowly. It was more usual to base the condiment on mushrooms, or sometimes walnuts.
The confusion about names started even before Charles Lockyer wrote about it, since there is an entry dated 1690 in the Dictionary of the Canting Crew which gives it as catchup, which is another Anglicisation of the original Eastern term. Catchup was used much more in North America than in Britain: it was still common in the middle years of the nineteenth century, as in a story in Scribner’s Magazine in 1859: “I do not object to take a few slices of cold boiled ham ... with a little mushroom catchup, some Worcester sauce, and a pickle or so”. Indeed, catchup continued to appear in American works for some decades and is still to be found on occasion.
There were lots of other spellings, too, of which catsup is the best known, a modification of catchup. You can blame Jonathan Swift for it if you like, since he used it first in 1730: “And, for our home-bred British cheer, Botargo, catsup, and caveer”. [Caveer is caviar; botargo is a fish-based relish made of the roe of the mullet or tunny.] That form was also once common in the US but is much less so these days, at least on bottle labels: all the big US manufacturers now call their product ketchup.
Simple question: complicated answer!

source: world wide words

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Sun, 02/15/09 11:22 PM
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tomato tomaaato, same stuff different word (pronunciation). Ahh ya know what I mean :)

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/16/09 12:37 AM
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There are those who use the K-word. But they should be excused.

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/16/09 10:20 AM
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Whatever it is don't put it on a hot dog (or if you do don't tell anyone on this site...please!!!)

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/16/09 10:32 AM

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/16/09 10:44 AM
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Too funny!

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/16/09 10:59 AM
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I think that Catsup is made from real cats where the other is just artificial filler 

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/23/09 10:47 AM
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I love the Doug and Arthur witty repartee on the show.

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/23/09 3:18 PM
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Oh my GOD... that was one of the funniest things I have seen in a while. Thanks for the laugh, I needed it today.


Dennis in Cary who calls it ketchup

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Mon, 02/23/09 3:31 PM
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I'm partial to Heinz organic.
No HFCS.
http://www.ketchupworld.com/heorke.html

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Tue, 02/24/09 9:21 AM
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It just seems that anytime I've tried something called "catsup" it wasn't very good.

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Tue, 02/24/09 10:13 AM
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My male parental unit insisted on calling it catsup, but I've always called it ketchup. As far as I'm concerned, he was the only one using the "c" word in Southern California. I distinctly recall thinking he was weird for calling it catsup, and I still do. Since he passed in 2005, and I've yet to hear anyone use that word. My female parental unit used the "k" word.

A couple of years ago I started adding it to my hot dogs, as it is a complement to the intense flavors of the green olive tapenade spread I trowel on each side of the grilled bun.

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Tue, 02/24/09 11:16 AM
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Analei:  Good find on the old name "catchup".  My college buddy used to berate his girlfriend for saying "catchup."  He insisted that it had to be either "catsup" or "ketchup".


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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Tue, 02/24/09 11:43 AM
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Ketchup for me.

English is a very flexible language in regards to spelling.  Just look at the vast array of spelling differences between Britan and the US.  Or the use of entirely different words for the exact same thing.  That there are regional spelling differences within a nation as large as the US doesn't surprise me.

Of course there are always spelling and grammer nazi's who demand uniformity, but they ignore cultural variation in their quest for conformity .

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Re:Is it ketchup or catsup? Is there a difference? - Wed, 02/25/09 3:22 AM
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 With the exception of Brooks, i've never seen ketchup spelled catsup on any bottle, in any store.