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Shad roe New with photos - Fri, 03/6/09 4:58 PM
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Has anyone seen shad or shad roe on the menu in South Jersey? 
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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 03/6/09 5:07 PM
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I've never eaten shad roe, but when we catch panfish down here we keep the roe sacks.  Crappie, bass, etc.  Fry them along with the fish...good eating!

Never see this in restaurants, though.

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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 03/6/09 6:36 PM
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Last time I ate Shad roe was on a trip to NYC. I was fortunate enough to be in NY during the short window of time that Shad roe is available. 
It was in the grill at the Plaza Hotel. Simply, and beautifully sauteed in butter with lemon on the side. Memorable!
 

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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/7/09 2:55 PM
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Mark your calendars April 25 & 26

http://www.lambertville.org/main.php?page=shadfest

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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/7/09 9:06 PM
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Lambertville is a lot like New Paltz: it ranges from the outrageous to the down-home staid - except that Lambertville has money and we are poor. But, what struck me about their festival is that shad is relegated to almost an afterthought. Like you can eat all the hotdogs and hamburgers you want, but , if you are lucky, you just might get a taste of shad cooked by one of the best joints in town.

Due to the scarcity of Hudson River shad last season , Kingston did not have a festival - Hope they'll have on this year. 

Anyways, I'm looking forward to a feast of shad roe sometime in the next 8 weeks - I'll probably have to cook it myself.

Cheers, John 

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/8/09 4:32 PM
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Easton PA also has a Shad Festival with a weeklong shad fishing tournament at the forks of the Delaware and Lehigh Rivers.  This year, the cookout of shad on wooden planks is Sunday, May 3rd.

http://www.shadtournament.com/index.html

Shad and shad roe started appearing on restaurant menus and in the local seafood markets about a week ago.  In my opinion, the best preparation in this area of PA for boneless shad and shad roe during the season is Youell's Oyster house, hidden on a side street in Allentown.

http://www.youellsoysterhouse.com/about.php

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/8/09 6:06 PM
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I cleaned a ton of bluegill as a kid.  I hated it when I found them filled with that orange roe.  I didnt think they'd be good to eat so I pitched them.
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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/21/09 9:07 PM
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Had my first shad roe of the season yesterday. My fish monger said it came from Virginia -probably Chesapeake Bay. Gently sauteed with onions and bacon it was delicious. 

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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/21/09 9:23 PM
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Our Ohio lakes and rivers are loaded with shad of various species.  I know local fisherman who can catch 100's of lbs in a few hours for catfish bait.  Is the roe of these edible?  If so it looks like an almost virgin market..
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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/21/09 9:33 PM
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brittneal


Our Ohio lakes and rivers a re loaded with shad of various species.  I know local fisherman who can catch 100's of lbs in a few hours for catfish bait.  Is the reo of these edible?  If so it looks like an almost virgin market..


It's American shad, not gizzard shad. Gizzard shad is the baitfish. American Shad is a gamefish caught by hook and line. It is anadromous, like salmon, spawning in rivers and living in the sea till spawning time.
 
http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=443
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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 11:05 AM
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As to shad being a game fish: It certainly is on the Delaware and its tributaries where fly rod fishermen have developed the sport into a high art. 

But along the Hudson, as far as I know, no one has ever caught a shad on a hook and line - drift nets and gill nets being the favored tactic. I think John McPhee in his fine book on American shad explains why this is so - but I forget the explanation.

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 11:33 AM
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I've fished for shad on the Delaware in New Jersey, and I grew up fishing shad on the Connecticut. While I knew that they used to net them on the Hudson, I've just never thought of these as anything other than hook and line fish. Walleye, for instance, are a gamefish and are caught on hook and line, although commercial netters (and thank God there are no more of these allowed to use nets for walleye in Ohio waters of Lake Erie) do not use hook and line.

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 11:53 AM
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Nice article from Edible Manhattan on shad by Peter Hoffman (any relation Michael?).

http://www.ediblemanhattan.com/content/index.php/issue-4/chefspeak-mar/apr-09-shad.htm

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 12:57 PM
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Nope. No relation.

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 2:59 PM
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Thanks, Kozel, for posting that wonderful piece by Hoffman - I've copied it and tucked it into my McPhee book. I'd completely forgotten that Joseph Mitchell story that, I think, first appeared in The New Yorker magazine about 50 years ago. Does anyone know where I could get a copy of that?

And, Michael Hoffman, I'm interested to learn that rod and reel fishing for shad is also practiced on the Connecticut River - come to think of it, McPhee may have made some mention of that. 

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 3:14 PM
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My favorite shad recipe (from 1851):
 
Split and wash the shad, and afterwards dry it in a cloth. Season it with salt and pepper. Have ready a bed of clear bright coals. Grease your gridiron well, and as soon as it is hot lay the shad upon it, and broil it for about a quarter of an hour or more, according to the thickness. When done, pitch the shad and eat the gridiron.

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 6:40 PM
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Thanks, Kozel, for posting that wonderful piece by Hoffman - I've copied it and tucked it into my McPhee book. I'd completely forgotten that Joseph Mitchell story that, I think, first appeared in The New Yorker magazine about 50 years ago. Does anyone know where I could get a copy of that?

And, Michael Hoffman, I'm interested to learn that rod and reel fishing for shad is also practiced on the Connecticut River - come to think of it, McPhee may have made some mention of that. 

Cheers, John


Could it be from April 4, 1959?

ABSTRACT: PROFILE of Harry Lyons, a "riverman" of Edgewater, a former fireman who, even during his tenure as a firefighter was permitted to take time out for shad-fishing every spring. History & description of Edgewater, his birthplace. The land on which it is situated & the land for some distance along the river above & below it was settle in the 17th century by Dutch & Huguenot farmers. Their names are on the older gravestones in the Edgewater Cemetery: The Bourdettes, Vreelands, Bogerts, Van Zandts, Wendells, Dyckmans, Westervelts & Demarest. In the early eighteen hundreds some bluestone quarries were opened, & new people, most of whom were English, began to come in and settle down & intermarry with the old farming & fishing families. They were followed by the Irish. Building stones & paving blocks & curbings for NYC were cut in the quarries & carried to the city on barges. Some of these families died out, some moved away, and some are still flourishing. The Edgewater Cemetery forms a U between a group of factory buildings of the Aluminum Company.

Try this link for the search I did.  Looks like you can get the full article with just registration.  (Sorry, on further investigation, as a subscriber you get free access, or for $4.99 you can get access to just that issue.)

http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?query=shad&page=2&queryType=nonparsed
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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 7:01 PM
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I've been a subscriber since "before the flood" - at least 50 years- and I never was aware of the freebies available. I will look into it this week. 

As to our friend, MH's, recipe: I'm disappointed in him. I was sure he'd be a shad and shad roe fan. After all, he is a guy who knows good food, likes good food, appreciates the wealth of wild game out there, and grew up ( I guess) eating the shad they caught out of the Connecticut river. 

Without going into detail - just Google shad roe and shad and you'll find a plethora of recipes - enough to please any appetite.

Cheers, John  

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 7:02 PM
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I've been a subscriber since "before the flood" - at least 50 years- and I never was aware of the freebies available. I will look into it this week. 

As to our friend, MH's, recipe: I'm disappointed in him. I was sure he'd be a shad and shad roe fan. After all, he is a guy who knows good food, likes good food, appreciates the wealth of wild game out there, and grew up ( I guess) eating the shad they caught out of the Connecticut river. 

Without going into detail - just Google shad roe and shad and you'll find a plethora of recipes - enough to please any appetite.

Cheers, John  

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 7:16 PM
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As to our friend, MH's, recipe: I'm disappointed in him. I was sure he'd be a shad and shad roe fan. After all, he is a guy who knows good food, likes good food, appreciates the wealth of wild game out there, and grew up ( I guess) eating the shad they caught out of the Connecticut river. 


Cheers, John

Unless the person doing the boning is an absolute expert, shad are, as far as I'm concerned, beyond inedible. There's a reason why Indians called shad the inside-out porcupine.
 
I've eaten properly boned shad, and I've eaten shad boned by people claiming to be experts that would kill anyone with their huge number of bones not removed.
 
As to shad roe, I'm a fan.



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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 9:21 PM
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I closely watched a woman who was an expert de-boner of shad for several hours one day. Then I purchased an unboned shad (for some ridiculously low price)  from the lady and proceeded home to replicate her labors. My efforts were a disaster, and that particular shad fertilized the tomatoes that Summer. It is indeed a dying skill - I don't look forward to the day when there are no properly boned shad filets available at the market. When I grew up in Poughkeepsie  shad fileters were a dime a dozen...

Cheers, John 

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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/22/09 9:24 PM
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I closely watched a woman who was an expert de-boner of shad for several hours one day. Then I purchased an unboned shad (for some ridiculously low price)  from the lady and proceeded home to replicate her labors. My efforts were a disaster, and that particular shad fertilized the tomatoes that Summer. It is indeed a dying skill - I don't look forward to the day when there are no properly boned shad filets available at the market. When I grew up in Poughkeepsie  shad fileters were a dime a dozen...

Cheers, John




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Re:Shad roe - Wed, 04/1/09 11:09 AM
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I went to my local fish market on Sunday and they had shad and shad roe.  I bought one set of the roe.
 

 
And one fillet of shad.  This is a machined boned fillet.  It is expensive but worth it.  It is also very ugly!
 
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All those cuts are needed to remove the numerous bones of a shad.  Put back together it isn't so bad.
 

 
 
Mrs OC and I each had half of the roe and half of the fillet.
 

 
Both fried with LOTS of butter. I poached the roe a little first so it would be cooked through.  It is very fragile and if fried too long the eggs begin to burst.
 
By the way, you can buy shad fillets that are not machine boned and they are alot cheaper but DON"T BUY IT!! it is a hair brush disguised as fish.  Lots of bones left in.  With the machine boned neither of us got one single bone. 
 
 

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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 05/22/09 8:23 PM
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I live in Oregon and the shad will start running in the Columbia next month. I hope to go and fly  fish for them mostly for the fun of it. Also I hope to go sturgeon fishing with shad as the bait. I have enjoyed the roe fried several times and have never eaten the fish. Out west, eating even the roe is rare. Shad is considered by many crab and sturgeon bait (it is good bait). However, the Asian community clean up during the shad run, and stock up for the year. The most common way they eat it is a process of smoking, pickling, and then canning. After the canning the bones dissolve. One guy I met who's Asian wife was doing all the work, said it was very good. I grew up in NH near the Connecticut River. I have heard that they use to pickle shad by the barrel back before the dams were built.

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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 05/22/09 9:08 PM
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Michael, you are about as much an expert on shad as my grand parents were, which puts you in high standing in my book. My grandfather would actually put out special shad nets in the river to catch the fish. The roe were the part of the fish that was of course desired. But things were done differently here where I grew up in eastern NC. The row were dredged in seasoned cornmeal and fried until done. The fish themselves were fried until crisp and you basically ate the crisp bones and threw away what was to harsh to eat. It was a chore to say the least. 

The other way we ate shad was to make a fish stew that had potatoes, onions, and tomatoes added to it. The stew was cooked down, with lots of red and black pepper and the roe was added to it in the last hour. The biggie though was the addition of raw eggs gently added to the stew the last 15 minutes or so. The key to making this stew was to never allow it to come to a boil as this would make the fish fall apart and the roe burst their sacs. I enjoyed this stew as a kid until I actually got a fish bone stuck in my throat and almost strangled to death until my grandfather ran his finger down my throat and managed to get the bones out. I wasn't able to eat for several days as the bones had cut my throat up where they were lodged and he forced them out with his fingers.

Needless to say I am not a fish person today but do love other types of seafood.



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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Sat, 05/23/09 12:31 AM
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IIRC there was a roadfood feature earlier this year about a small seasonal restaurant in North Carolina with "fish camp" ambiance that served shad. I can't find that article now.  (Shad was not the focus of their menu, but  it is unusual to see it mentioned at all.)   We have a shad run in Georgia and I suppose it must be one of the earliest in the country each year.  Love's Seafood in Savannah is one of the few places in this state that serves the fish or the roe.  I always check to see if they have it when we visit the Georgia coast.
 
I never had a problem with bones in the shad served at Love's so I guess someone there knows what they are doing.
 
 

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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Sat, 05/23/09 1:10 AM
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Yet again, one more delicacy from the Eastern seaboard I miss out on by living in Texas. Ah, the memories of my youth in NY. Oh well, pass the BBQ, please.

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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Sat, 05/23/09 4:22 AM
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Wow, thats an eye opener!  I had never seen shad roe before.   I half expected it to look somewhat look the bluegill roe of my youth.  They were tiny and bright orange with a clay like constancy.  Instead it looked like a couple lobes of goose liver.  Im sure you enjoed it but I dont think I cold ever try it.

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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Sat, 05/23/09 12:14 PM
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Sure isnt pretty, but i would try it...

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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Tue, 05/26/09 8:10 PM
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A correction from my mom, she said grandmother put in a small can of tomato sauce, not tomatoes. She and I talked about how things changed between her living there and my being raised by my grandparents. she said I had it alot easier than she did.



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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Mon, 03/15/10 10:39 AM
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It's that time of the year to revive this thread.

A week or so ago I had a delicious shad filet and a sack of roe at Gadaletto's , our local fish restaurant. The shad and roe were from South Carolina. There will be no Hudson river shad this year: the State has closed the fishery completely - perhaps for several years. 
 
The lack of shad in the Hudson has been manly  blamed on overfishing the species before they can even reach the Hudson. However, many of us believe the shortage of Hudson River shad is due mainly to the enormous population of striped bass that eat the roes and the fry. The bass population exploded when the State forbade fishing for that species due to high PCB s in their flesh.

So, now we have inedible striped bass and nonexistent shad - thanks to General Electric and the DEC. 

Does anyone know if the Delaware  shad fishery will be open this year?


Cheers, John    

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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Tue, 03/16/10 12:09 PM
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John,.

Thanks for the post. Now I know I can begin my annual search for shad roe.

Chris

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Re:Shad roe New with photos - Fri, 03/19/10 1:24 PM
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That didn't take long.  I just picked up a set of roe and shad fillet at Bob's Seafood Market in Northfield. He corrected my misconception that the fillet was machine boned.  They are done by hand and it takes ten cuts to get all the bones.  They are not pretty (see photos from last year, on page one of this thread) but they are truly boneless. 
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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 03/19/10 6:54 PM
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Placenta Anyone?


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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/20/10 10:31 AM
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Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/20/10 10:41 AM
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Chris: Have pity on those poor heartlanders who ave never experienced the delights of shad roe.

BTW: Went to my friends at Gadaletto's yesterday - no shad roe, no shad filets - they report none available last week in the Fulton fish Market. Maybe next week.

Anyway ,we substituted a couple of dozen blue points with mignonette sauce and a cool bottle of Sancerre -so it wasn't a total loss.

Cheers, john  

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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/20/10 12:34 PM
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Tried it, not a huge fan, but it's definitely not attractive look at, cooked or uncooked.

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Re:Shad roe - Sat, 03/20/10 4:32 PM
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saps;  I would have to agree with you on the appearance, but I was raised eating shad roe and look forward to it every year.

John;  Those blue points would definitely soften the disappointment, but cheer up shad season is just beginning.  Should go on until about Mother's Day.

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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 03/4/11 11:30 AM
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Its time to revive my annual  quest for shad roe.  Has anyone seen any yet?  I know it comes in earlier down south.

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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 03/4/11 3:08 PM
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I remember my parents or grandparents calling the roe, Melts.  Something they loved eating, never giving us kids a single bite.

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Re:Shad roe - Fri, 03/4/11 3:25 PM
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We saw a sign for a shad fest somewhere in North Carolina ( around Roanoke Rapids, maybe) on our way north last week.
 
Looking forward to some roe  and filets in April around here...
 
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Re:Shad roe - Sun, 03/6/11 2:03 PM
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ChrisOC
Its time to revive my annual  quest for shad roe.  Has anyone seen any yet?  I know it comes in earlier down south.

I have never had shad roe, but I will admit that the Nero Wolfe novels have made me curious about it (and the Nero Wolfe Cookbook has at least one recipe).
 
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Re:Shad roe - Mon, 03/14/11 11:53 AM
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I found shad and roe at the Somers Point Shoprite.  I was amazed to see that the shad fillets are going for $12.99 lb.  Wow.  Shad has come a long way from when it was considered a thrash fish!

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Re:Shad roe - Mon, 03/14/11 12:29 PM
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When I owned my fish market (in CT), I could sell all the shad and shad roe that my suppliers could deliver. I'd simply call a few loyal customers, put out the sign by the road, and the caravan would begin. Some people would be repelled by the sight of the roe in the fish case, but I relished that. Alas, the market is no longer in existence, and I must travel to the lower Connecticut for my fix each spring. And shad festivals abound along the river up as far as Hartford, particularly in Windsor and Essex, to name a few. Indeed, many local fishermen travel to central CT to fish for shad.

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Re:Shad roe - Mon, 03/14/11 12:31 PM
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Go to the Windsor Shad Derby site to view the calendar of events, etc. Sorry, forgot to mention that in the last post.

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Re:Shad roe - Mon, 03/21/11 9:58 AM
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Glad I didn't buy the $12.99 shad.  Ms OC and I went to the Lobster House in Cape May for lunch yesterday. They had buy 1 get 1 free seafood combination for $12.  While we were there I checked the fish market.  Shad =$7.95 lb.  Shad roe =&7.95 a set.  Had it for dinner last night.  Spring is here!