Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th

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Davydd
Sirloin
2009/03/13 15:07:53
The superstars of roadfood will be coincidentally descending on the Twin Cities the weekend of March 20th. Buffetbuster and Ayersian (Chris & Amy) are coming with two different sets of agendas. They are working out the common details of meetups right now. Buffetbuster's primary interests are Al's Breakfast, Hell's Kitchen, Tavern on Grand and pie somewhere of course. Ayersian's interests are in comparing Jucy Lucy hamburgers and Asian.

I plan to definitely meet up with BB at Al's Breakfast at 6:00 AM sharp when it opens Saturday morning. It is looking like we may all get together for an Asian Saturday dinner.

I'm just happy I will get to meet them all, that is if my expected second grandson doesn't interfere with my plans. His arrival date in this world is projected to be March 21st in La Crosse, WI.
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/13 15:16:39
Davydd-
Are the rumors that your grandson will be fed nothing but Breaded Pork Tenderloin baby food true?
 
BTW, I wish you hadn't posted this.  I have been telling wanderingjew we were going to eat nothing but lutefisk! 
post edited by buffetbuster - 2009/03/13 15:22:47
ayersian
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/13 15:23:25
If that is true, Davydd, we'll bring the baby some Iowa BPTs -- just say the word!    Chris
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/13 15:30:15
buffetbuster

Davydd-
Are the rumors that your grandson will be fed nothing but Breaded Pork Tenderloin baby food true?
 
BTW, I wish you hadn't posted this.  I have been telling wanderingjew we were going to eat nothing but lutefisk

 
Well, you can always try lutefisk pizza !
 

I look forward to my return visit to the twin cities sometime over the summer of 2010. Unfortunately ethnic cuisine that I can find on the east and west coast along with backward cheeseburgers won't be on the agenda.
 
I did some research and found a  tavern that serves tater tot hotdish-Now that I look forward too!
 
 
The Travelin Man
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/13 15:54:40
buffetbuster 
BTW, I wish you hadn't posted this.  I have been telling wanderingjew we were going to eat nothing but lutefisk! 


What he really means is that he's been telling wanderingjew that he was going to San Antonio for fear that he may find a last-minute Priceline fare and show up!
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/13 15:59:29
The Travelin Man

buffetbuster 
BTW, I wish you hadn't posted this.  I have been telling wanderingjew we were going to eat nothing but lutefisk! 


What he really means is that he's been telling wanderingjew that he was going to San Antonio for fear that he may find a last-minute Priceline fare and show up!

 
No more roadfood  trips for me
 
I have to maintain my "boyish figure" for my next trip to Southern California in April" />

Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/13 18:01:40
No fear all. I figured wanderingjew would not come to Minnesota until Target Field opened for baseball in 2010. I know he is hoping they sell lutefisk on a stick there.
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/15 09:25:19

Well, HOORAY!!!! Finally some REAL celebrities are comin' to town !!!  Sorry you are going to be here at the tail end of winter, it's supposed to be warm but "slop season" surely isn't our best look....  I feel I ought to go out and tidy up the place !!                      Anyway, THE FOOD!!!!!   Since Cliff is going to be at THE MALL  {shudder!} And Chris & Amy will be Juicy lucy-ing, that puts both gangs in the very near vacinity of the VERY BEST BAKERY in Mpls.!!!! Sounds like a pretty darn BOLD statement huh? Please trust me on this one though,I bring every visitor I've ever had to this bakery ,and it's always the HIT of their vacations ! The owner-baker used to be a pastry chef at the Plaza {oo la-la !} in NYC so he's not messing around..... OH, the pear-custard tart, the strudles, the lemon bars on REAL shortbread ! The DOUGHNUTS!!!! and the best of the best, the mysterious AMERICAN TEACAKE!!!  Can't even describe it, kind of like a denser,chewey croissant that's got caramelized crackly crust...soooo delish! best of all , it's CHEAP! and the place itself is extremely down-home-Roadfoodish. as a bonus {maybe} next door is a former dive bar that they've tarted up and is now a decent litte place called " Buster's on 28th "  they don't have juicy lucys, but they DO have Butterburgers, Bisonburgers and big ol' WALLEYE sandwiches!!! and guess what!? they use bread from ......A BAKER'S WIFE!!!  Okay, enough ranting.... I don't know how to put up the link to website dealie  {maybe someone else can? pretty please?} but the info is A Baker's Wife   4200 28th ave. s. Mpls 612-729-6898 I'm pretty sure they are closed on Mondays {or do we say they are TTM on Mondays....} so plan accordingly!    Peace,     DAWN
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/15 12:33:51
Here is the Google search on A Baker's Wife's Pastry Shop.

http://is.gd/nrw2
mhill95
Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/15 15:52:03
Hell's Kitchen...great for Breakfast/Brunch
since the move to new location, now serving
Dinner.
Make sure to get the sausage bread toast

Mike
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/18 16:58:04

  Thank you Davydd!! I'm SUCH a spaz re: computers!!!
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/18 17:33:48
wanderingjew,

If you come to the Twin Cities looking for hotdish and lutefisk you know you are on your own you know.

The weekend is closing in. My wife got antsy and headed for La Crosse, WI this afternoon wanting to be there for our grandson's birth. Our daughter-in-law is going to have a home birth with a midwife. Our first grandson was born at home in Cochabamba, Bolivia. She had to walk 9 miles to get into Cochabamba from where they were living in the countryside because the peasants were on strike and were blockading all the bridges and preventing any transportation. The birth was three weeks early maybe because of that so we have been assuming it could happen again putting my wife in an anxious wait for the past couple of weeks. So if it goes on schedule I'm told now on the 22nd I will be home this weekend and will not go down to La Crosse until after. So I am on my own to fend for myself and free all weekend. All I have to do is feed the cat and empty my Maple tree sap sacks if they fill up.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/18 17:42:13
Davydd

wanderingjew,

If you come to the Twin Cities looking for hotdish and lutefisk you know you are on your own you know.


Davydd,

I sincerely have no interest in looking for lutefisk.
Hotdish yes. I betcha the ratio of restaurants offering hotdish and Scandinavian delicacies in the twin cities far exceeds the dying "museum like" kosher style delis that too many people on the forum are fooling themselves into believing are alive and well in NYC. (I write that with a heavy hand btw) I too wish that the kosher style delis in NYC are flourishing- but they're not.

Backwards cheeseburgers and Asian cuisine that already existed on the West Coast  back in the day when smorgasbord was a dime a dozen in the Twin Cities just doesn't do it for me. Although I will probably "sacrifice" one meal (just one)
for a backward cheeseburger

ah-ha! look what I found!!



http://grumpys-bar.com/roseville/1208rosevillemenu.pdf



post edited by wanderingjew - 2009/03/18 19:44:46
NebGuy
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/18 17:56:57
WJ: If you grew up in my parent's house you would run as fast as you could from anymore tater tot casserole.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/18 20:30:05
wj,

Grumpy's Bar in Roseville is fairly new owned by young, savvy guys and the inclusion of tater tot hotdish is a gimmick joke food with no tradition the same as the hotdish on a stick at the Minnesota State Fair. Of course they know out of state rubes will fall for it after listening to Garrison Kiellor's Prairie Home Companion.

If you want true hotdish you would have to go to a church supper or you could have had it at our house last weekend. My wife made it for the fun of it because I bought some gourmet wild rice. We did not use tater tots or hamburger.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 08:32:49
Davydd

wj,

Grumpy's Bar in Roseville is fairly new owned by young, savvy guys and the inclusion of tater tot hotdish is a gimmick joke food with no tradition the same as the hotdish on a stick at the Minnesota State Fair. Of course they know out of state rubes will fall for it after listening to Garrison Kiellor's Prairie Home Companion.

If you want true hotdish you would have to go to a church supper or you could have had it at our house last weekend. My wife made it for the fun of it because I bought some gourmet wild rice. We did not use tater tots or hamburger.


Just like "out of state rubes" fall for the NY  Kosher (Style) Deli's after watching old Woody Allen movies 
 
If only I knew you were having hotdish, I would have headed out to Minnesota last weekend I figured hamburger wouldn't have gone with wild rice- I'm assuming chicken or to be really local then perhaps "pheasant".
 
Davydd,
I know that traditonally "hot dish" is served at home and at "basement church suppers" I would love the opportunity to go to a "church supper" but the timing would have to be right, however I also know that many of the local restaurants do offer "Hot Dish" as daily specials and there's one restaurant specifically called "Hot Plate" in Minneapolis that offers daily rotating Hot Dish Specials. 
http://www.hotplatediner.com/
 
 
I would love the opportunity to check this out and hope they're
still offering this next year
http://www.americanswedishinst.org/ASI/Events.html 
 The swedish smorgasbord at the American Swedish Institute.
 
There's another restaurant I would love to check out, it was actually written up in an old Stern's Roadfood book called Carol's Vintage Rose, in Blaine MN, they used to be called Carol's Calico Kitchen, but apparently had a fire and rebuilt the restaurant and altered the name .Unfortunately they don't have a website.
 
And another place I found out about called Cafe Finspang 

http://www.midtownglobalmarket.org/?q=shopping/groceries/31</a>
 
which really captured my attention.  I know many of theses places haven't been around for decade, however like many other cities the traditional local restaurants that served tradional local cuisine were forced out by Applebees, Chilis and TGI Fridays and the "sheeple" that go to them.

post edited by wanderingjew - 2009/03/19 10:01:19
10X10
Hamburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 10:27:30
I just returned from a biz trip to MN. and could not wait to get to Hell's Kitchen for one of their much touted b-fasts, unfortunately I  left terrible disappointed.

They where doomed in my opinion from the very start, as the hostess was perhaps the poorest choice for any restaurant to have as their point person. She was un-interested, un-inviting and downright rude, ignoring my party of four for what seemed a good minute while she continued a conversation with a peer about her antics from the previous evening. Then huffing her annoyance when we asked for a table rather then the small booth she was offering us in the very uncrowded dining room.

Their menu, though intriguing to read, did not follow through when it came to taste or presentation. Eggs where overcooked, cinnamon roll was good yet very hard on the outside and not quite soft enough on the inside, almost like it had been re-heated one time too many. The sausage was very good, as where the roti potatoes. Other members in the party did not attempt to finish a sparse offering of eggs benedict, despite the fact that for $9 they only give you one(who has ever heard of that)! Orders of bread had to be sent back as the requested toasting was ignored.


This is just a mere blip on the disappointing radar for MN. If you do find yourself in the twin cities, enjoy chinese food and want a great meal. Make your way to the Tea House,  1676 Suburban Ave.
St.Paul. This is a restaurant you will not forget. From the fried and soup dumplings to the mongolian lamb and all that is in between. The Tea House will leave you satisfied and in my case, deleted the memory of a bad restaurant choice of Hell's Kitchen.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 11:34:07
10X10,

Before I retired I worked a half block away from Hell's Kitchen and had breakfasts and mostly lunches there numerous times. That was in its original location in a funky small old warehouse like building with exposed brick and timbers. I will be curious to see if that old character translates over to what used to be a more upscale steak restaurant they moved into. I will also be curious, since they expanded with another restaurant in Duluth, whether dedicated care and attention to one place diminished.

If you want good size portions for breakfast Keys Cafe is the place. Their No. 2 on the menu of eggs and Italian beef hash is my favorite filler. They moved too to fancier digs in the Foshay Tower. They used to be on Nicollet Mall in a grundge like place that I loved. My favorite downtown breakfast place, Hamlin's, closed a few years ago after being in business since the 20s. It was a great classic place of a bygone era with nothing but booths and counter seating and waitresses that seemingly had worked there for over 40 years but always had a baudy joke for you.

Tea House has two locations. The other is in Plymouth out by the General Mills headquarters. I just recently discovered a place I think might be better for Mandarin/Szechuan is Tian Jin in the western suburb of Chanhassen.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 11:58:26
Wanderingjew,

The American Swedish Institute is legit but it honors Sweden's culture not Minnesota. Same with Sons of Norway lodges which can be found around the country including southern California. But for the rest of the places you mentioned, have you been reading the thread about tourist traps? As with Grumpy's they do it because you expect it. I'll say it again, the walleye sandwich and the Jucy Lucys are more uniquely Minnesotan than the Scandinavian shtick. And whether you want to believe it or not southeast Asian food is more current and true to the food and the people producing it in Minnesota than Scandinavian. There is a thriving southeast Asian community in the Twin Cities that is probably a higher percentage of the populace than the coastal states you believe to be more representive.
10X10
Hamburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 12:01:04
Davydd

The space is choppy...many small rooms, very dark and as you probable know cool artwork. Sorry to report that at least on my visit, not a great showing of their product...I should have grabbed something from the sandwich shop in the lobby as it seemed more inviting.

I really loved the Tea House, I was with a friend who was schooled in Beijing and stated that many of the more eclectic items on the menus could be found in small family run haunts near his university, ie fish with pickled vegetables, sour  beef, etc. However it was the good ole staples that impressed me. The wonton's burst with flavor, the Moo Shoo was tremendous and the scallion pancakes were wonderful.

I get to MN. often so both Keys and Tian Jin will be on my agenda. I could use a dose of Italian Beef Hash right about now!
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 12:54:14
Davydd

Wanderingjew,

The American Swedish Institute is legit but it honors Sweden's culture not Minnesota. Same with Sons of Norway lodges which can be found around the country including southern California. But for the rest of the places you mentioned, have you been reading the thread about tourist traps? As with Grumpy's they do it because you expect it. I'll say it again, the walleye sandwich and the Jucy Lucys are more uniquely Minnesotan than the Scandinavian shtick. And whether you want to believe it or not southeast Asian food is more current and true to the food and the people producing it in Minnesota than Scandinavian. There is a thriving southeast Asian community in the Twin Cities that is probably a higher percentage of the populace than the coastal states you believe to be more representive.


And there are kosher style delis in Indianapolis and Houston too however  Minnesota, and the Northern Midwest in General is considered the largest Scandinavian Pocket in the country, comparable to the Portuguese in South Eastern New England ... Kosher deli's are no longer representative of NY  and using your argument would be deemed tourist traps, I can assure you that all the tourists that go to the Twin Cities (do tourists actually go to the Twin Cities??) are making a beeline to the Mall of America and to the restaurants inside the mall, I doubt very highly that they're going elsewhere...I can say with complete confidence that I  doubt that tourists would  even know where to find Carol's Restaurant in Blaine (reviewed by the Sterns) or Cafe Finspang, or would have even heard of them and the same goes for Hot Plate. All the reviews for these places on Yelp were done by locals.

I can also assure you that the number of Asian restaurants in NYC far exceed the number of Kosher Style Delis in NY by Hundreds  thousands. Same thing goes for Los Angeles. On the other end of the spectrum I find it ironic, laughable and absurd that the All American generic burger invented in Connecticut and popularized via the first fast food burger joint in the midwest is hailed by "so called roadfooders" as "the primo select regional food  of Los Angeles" when it is in fact Asian Cuisine or actually derivatives thereof (the California Roll, Korean BBQ, Chinese Chicken Salad) which  were invented  or popularized and created in LA that deserve the true credit.

I agree, with your comment about walleye, and I am open minded and would be willing to try a Juicy Lucy, however I question if it will be just as uninspiring as the "critically acclaimed" Steamed Cheeseburger in Connecticut which I experienced last year- Yes it was good (not great), but I really didn't think there was anything remarkable
that stood out or differentiated itself from a regular cheeseburger that would make me consider it distinctively regional other than the cooking process
post edited by wanderingjew - 2009/03/19 13:15:51
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 13:42:25
Oh, Davydd, not to throw you into a tizzy ,
 
but here's a recipe for California....err....Minnesota Swedish Meatballs!
 
http://www.americasheartland.org/recipes_tips/minnesota_swedish_meatballs.htm
 
 
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 13:43:57
wanderingjew,

Cafe Finspang is Swedish not Minnesotan culture and is located in the Midtown Global Market that also features restaurants and foods from all over the world especially Latino and southeast Asian. The Midtown Global Market is an old Sears Roebuck building remodeled into a themed shopping area and is a relatively new place with no Minnesota traditions. If you want to spend money to seek that out, feel free.

We also have an IKEA too where you can enjoy Swedish meatballs, but Pittsburgh had an IKEA long before Minnesota.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 13:59:42
Davydd

wanderingjew,

Cafe Finspang is Swedish not Minnesotan culture and is located in the Midtown Global Market that also features restaurants and foods from all over the world especially Latino and southeast Asian. The Midtown Global Market is an old Sears Roebuck building remodeled into a themed shopping area and is a relatively new place with no Minnesota traditions. If you want to spend money to seek that out, feel free.

We also have an IKEA too where you can enjoy Swedish meatballs, but Pittsburgh had an IKEA long before Minnesota.

 
Yes, but's neither located downtown or at the Mall of America, but in a local neighborhood that most tourists wouldn't even venture into....I'm not sure what "being new" or having no ties to Minnesota Tradition have to do with it...As I said previously, most of what went out with tradition was replaced with corporate "casual dining restaurants"  a point I've been making and have proved time and time again since the active forum began in 2003.
 
Ignoring or throwing under the carpet the significant "Scandinavian sphere of influence" in the Twin Cities would be comparable to doing the same with the Portuguese here in Rhode Island or the Jews in NYC, or the Poles in Pittsburgh or Chicago or the Cubans and Hatians in Miami.
 
As far as Ikea is concerned.. I guess all I can say is Pizza Hut serves Pizza and was in Wichita long before it was in NYC.


 
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 14:20:00
It's probably foolish for me to inject myself into this debate, but what the heck --
 
I've lived in Minneapolis for almost 10 years.  Holiday time is really the only time I've seen Scandinavian "ethnic" foods made generally available, and I live next door to a woman who is about fifth generation Swedish. On the same street as the Global Marketplace there's a Scandinavian store called Ingebretsen's that's been there forever, and has a butcher and grocery with all kinds of Scandinavian foods.  So, I don't dispute the historical ties, although I think I recall reading somewhere that there is actually a larger percentage of people with German heritage in Minnesota than Scandinavian. 
 
I live right down the street from The Danebo, which used to be a retirement home for Danish-Americans, went bust, and now is a part-time cultural center which occasionally hosts Danish breakfasts on Sunday mornings (open to the public).  Perhaps wj should try to time his next visit for one of those Sundays to try it.
 
If you do a google search for "Scandinavian restaurants Minneapolis," you'll find a scant few listings.  One's in a Radisson hotel.  Most of the listings are bakeries, and at least one (Scandia Bake Shop) has gone out of business. 
 
A terrific book on the subject of dining out in Minnesota, including everything from walleye to lutefisk, is  "Minnesota Eats Out," published by the Minnesota Historical Society.  It has fabulous vintage photos and illustrations (such as old menus and postcards).  I don't have my copy with me at the office, but my recollection is that it includes a section on the now-mostly defunct "Scandinavian" eateries.
 
 
post edited by rumaki - 2009/03/19 14:31:10
mhill95
Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 14:24:53
A great Minnesota Company, steeped in Scandanavian History:
http://www.olsenfish.com/index.cfm
My Grandfather, a local grocer carried barrels and
jars of their products.
Maybe you could tour the plant
"The World's Largest proccesor of Lutefisk"

Mike

post edited by mhill95 - 2009/03/19 14:31:20
NebGuy
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 14:30:16
Perhaps WJ should forgo the food and seek out the Swedish women in the twin cities instead.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 14:47:21
mhill95

A great Minnesota Company, steeped in Scandanavian History:
http://www.olsenfish.com/index.cfm
My Grandfather, a local grocer carried barrels and
jars of their products.
Maybe you could tour the plant
"The World's Largest proccesor of Lutefisk"

Mike

 
Actually I might consider checking the place out
 
 
Rumaki,
 
It's a friendly debate and evereyone is welcome
 
True, the German population is larger than the Scandinavian population....but that applies to just about every major city in the country. I'll betcha that the German Population in South Florida is larger than the Cuban population..
 
You proved my point mentioning defunct Scandinavian Restaurants. Davydd says there never were any, I've heard otherwise. Aside from Lutefisk, I've had Scandinavian Cuisine before, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Other than the corporate chains my only other explanation that they no longer exist whether it offends others or not is that those of Scandinavian descent for some reason want to brush their heritage"under the rug" I don't want to use a strong word like "ashamed of their heritage" but what else could possibly be the explanation???? Even those middle age and older Jewish Folks from NYC here on the forum are "clinging to the kosher delis  that have died a slow death" Another example ,Cajun Cuisine has been around for a couple of centuries and is still "allegedly" popular in Louisiana, but again the same argument can be used there- are the tourists the only people that are frequenting these restaurants?
 

Nancypalooza
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 14:58:09
NebGuy

Perhaps WJ should forgo the food and seek out the Swedish women in the twin cities instead.


Amen brother.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 16:14:25
wanderingjew
Ignoring or throwing under the carpet the significant "Scandinavian sphere of influence" in the Twin Cities would be comparable to doing the same with the Portuguese here in Rhode Island or the Jews in NYC, or the Poles in Pittsburgh or Chicago or the Cubans and Hatians in Miami.

Bingo! You have been throwing under the carpet my suggestions of southeast Asian. At least southeast Asians still have direct birth ties. The non-professional actors in the movie Gran Torino were mostly Hmong Minnesotans. Most of those with Swedish descent in Minnesota are now fourth generation or greater. Even our 96 year old friend is American born of Swedish parents and you would be hard pressed to find someone in Minnesota that was actually born in Scandinavian countries as you would southeast Asians. There are more German descendants native to Minnesota than Scandinavian. If you examine the dialect of rural Minnesota you may find the accent and especially sentence construct to have a heavy German influence. Hollywood, or outsiders, have pushed the Scandinavian influence. Insiders like Garrison Kiellor and Howard Mohr (How to Talk Minnesotan) have capitalized on it with comedy. True, we are home of the Ole and Lena jokes. But we also have a creative streak sprung from European Jewish immigrants in Bob Dylan, Al Franken, Thomas Friedman and the Coen brothers. The Iron Range of northen Minnesota is mostly of eastern European stock and our ONE senator, Amy Klobuchar, is of that descent. WJ, you are buying into the myth and so far most all the places you have cited were created to stereotype that myth and your past work friends cultivated that myth. Sure, you may find some old-time Scandinavian influence but it is not pervasive to the culture around here and does not influence restaurant menus much if at all to be considered indigenous.

BTW, I am not denying my culture. I'm not a native of Minnesota. My culture is pure Colonial American mutt. I have found and identified over 3,000 direct ancestors in my genealogical database and I have yet to trace a single family line be it of English, Welsh, Scots, Irish, German or French descent that did not arrive before the American Revolution. I had to dig seven generations to find an excuse for wearing the green on St. Patrick's Day. I probably have traits in common more with my Indiana and my Kentucky born grandfather's roots that go back to emigrating to Kentucky from Virginia and Maryland sometime between 1778 and 1792. Through my mother my German roots go back to before 1739 in York, PA and Bethlehem, PA with migration across Ohio to northern Indiana. Now you know why I forsake lutefisk for breaded pork tendeloin sandwiches.

The real story of Minnesota culinary right now to me is the more authentic southeast Asian fare by chefs born there and not 5th generations serving American chop suey in Chinatown with the year of the whatever placemats. The other story is that of casual dining but chef driven restaurants serving a lot of locally grown, harvested and caught native foods. Those places are Restaurant Alma, Lucia's, Cafe Brenda, Heartland, 112 Eatery, etc. Of course, dipping down into the roadfood low cost category as I mentioned is the walleye sandwich being ubiquitous and almost mandatory and rarely outside Minnesota, and the Jucy Lucy that is fast becoming a reputation seeker for a lot of bars and grills. The odd thing about the walleye is it is almost all Canadian caught. If you really do want that hotdish I hope you find a place that will serve it with Ojibwe native harvested wild rice and not the commercially grown stuff from California.


The Travelin Man
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 16:17:42
wanderingjew

True, the German population is larger than the Scandinavian population....but that applies to just about every major city in the country. I'll betcha that the German Population in South Florida is larger than the Cuban population..


That depends on your definition of "South Florida."  When most people think of Cubans in "south Florida," they are most certainly referring to Miami.  If that's the case, there are surely many, many more Cubans than Germans in Miami.  If you want to play semantics, then expand into surrounding counties - and the numbers will narrow, and depending on how far you expand out you will eventually get to the point where there are more people of German heritage than Cuban.

data source
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 16:22:12
 Hmmm.... I've been here 41 years and the only "Swedish" restaurant I can remember is King Oskar's on 66th st. in Richfield....My 100% swedish great-grandma loved it ,but it was pretty darned BLAND!! my Dad always brought his trusty bottle of Tabasco sauce for the swedish potato sausage
   As for Jucy Lucys,  they aren't backward, they're INSIDE OUT!!  that lets the burger grease mix with the melted AMERICAN cheese making a yummy cheese goo that you dip crinkle cut fries into!! { I lived 4 blocks from Matts while I was pregnant, and that baby INSISTED on going there at least once a week! }          For most any swedish/ Minnesotan food I go to the original Byerly's in St.Louis Park;  MMMMM lefsa-lingonberry and shaved turkey roll-ups!! Also in the HUGE hot area of Byerly's deli you can get tater tot hotdish priced by the #  ready to eat!!!  it's way to pricey to do real grocery shopping there,but I could {and have!} wander around for hours....sample ladies everywhere you look!!!     Davydd, I'm thinking I may have waited on you!! I was at McCormick and Schmucks from '01  till '04 and we got LOTS of Target folks, cool!  Afriend of mine worked at the old Hell's Kit. for 3 years and loved it ,then he made the move with them and quit within 2 months ,got tired of all the BAD changes and downhill quality of the food...... Sigh.
CheeseWit
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 16:59:02
It's a shame I'm going to miss this by a couple days. I'll be in on Tuesday the 24th for meetings, staying that night, then have an appointment Wednesday morning and flying out in the afternoon.
Would've loved to meet everyone...
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 17:36:38
Dawn,

I've eaten at M & S numerous times, so maybe you did wait on me.

Before we continue to argue with wanderingjew's fundamentalist roadfood views we ought to get back to the subject. How do you think Buffetbuster will fit in at Nye's? Hope he can carry a tune.

I'm thinking a great day if there were time would have been lunch at Jax in Nordeast, an afternoon happy hour tipple at Mayslack's, dinner at Murray's and and winding down at Nye's. That's not Scandinavian at all but would have put you in spiritual touch with old-time, liberal, blue collar, working man Minneapolis that reaches back beyond 50 years.
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 17:51:47
I am sure Buffetbuster will (would?) love Nye's.  Every out-of-town guest I've taken there does, whether the polka band is playing or not.  I agree -- there's nothing like it.
 
I also frequently take out-of-town guests to Murray's -- I have two more coming in this week, and we'll be dining there Tuesday night.  "Sophisticated" folks from New York City, Washington and London have been delighted by this quintessential old-school supper club.  Famous for steaks, of course.  I'm sorry they stopped serving their fresh red raspberry pie, though. That was the best!
 
Two great choices.  I confess I haven't been quite as enamored with Jax, but I've only been there once, and may have visited on an off-night. 
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 17:53:30

  Ya, sounds good you betcha...     I'm wondering if Our Lady of Lourdes church is still selling their pastys? might not be the right time of year...but they are just up the hill from Nye's. I can imagine BB singin'with sweet Lou at the piano bar..." sweet tea for my men, and PIE for my horses!!!!"     OOOOO... Mayslacks garlic beef !!! it's been WAY to long since I made it over there. have to fix that soon!!   I was famous at M&S for saying "get the steelehead,it's a good eatin' fish! " 
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 19:44:13
Davydd
How do you think Buffetbuster will fit in at Nye's? Hope he can carry a tune.
I may not be the best singer in the crowd, but I just may be the loudest!!!  If I tip the band, will they play the Pennsylvania Polka?
BuddyRoadhouse
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 20:24:59
bb, you will LOVE Nye's!  Excellent food (make sure you get at least a sampling of their Hunter's Stew; either a side cup of soup, or as a main dish), amazing late '50s time capsule atmosphere, and, if she's working that night, a hostess with a bouffant flip hairstyle to match the mid 20th century decor.

As for wanderingjew, if he really wants some "authentic" Skandessota food, send him to Pearson's near 50th & France.  We ate there once and the food was so bland it actually sucked the taste out of my mouth, leaving me with the understanding of what absolutely "nothing" tastes like.

WJ, I understand your "regionalist" beliefs about experiencing local cuisine, but as a frequent visitor to the Twin Cities, I can tell you that unless you can get past whatever preconcieved notions you have about Minneosota grub, you will go very hungry up there looking for whatever idealised version of Scandahoovian food that you think is there.

Buddy
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 20:32:59
BB,

You'll find out.

Dawn,

I haven't been to Mayslack's in years. In fact it was 1978 when Stan Mayslack was still alive. I resigned from an architectural firm to go to work for another yet the head of the company gave me a farewell lunch with the whole office of about 20 in attendance. It was at least a three hour lunch as the line for the garlic roast beef sandwiches formed outside. Stan Mayslack, a giant of a man, would be at the head of the line ladling on the garlic beef on a bun that filled the plate. He'd scowl and if you did not have both hands fully under the plate he would not serve you and send you back. It was quite the experience. Seinfeld's soup Nazi had nothing on this guy. Stan Mayslack was an ex-pro wrestler with some modicum of fame.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 20:50:20
Travelin Man

I define South Florida as Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties. Therefore based on the map you provided I should perhaps reconsider German and Italian food the next time I visit.

Davydd

I am not throwing the Hmong Ethnic Group under the rug... I'm simply saying it's been done elsewhere....or in other words it's "the same old song and dance" The Twin Cities is just "the new edition" among many others.

Let me illustrate

Here is the best map I can find of the those with Hmong ancestry around the country

http://www.epodunk.com/ancestry/Hmong.html

If I were to base your assumptions on this map, perhaps I made a big mistake in enjoying BBQ on my last trip to North Carolina, I guess I should have considered Hmong Food instead

Here's another map showing those of Vietnamese Ancestry

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/pct_vietnamese.pdf

You can see the biggest concentrations on the West and East Coast

I've also included a map of Swedish Ancestry

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/pct_swedish.pdf

and of Scandinavian Ancestry in general

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/pct_scandinavian.pdf

you can clearly see where  Minnesota lies on this map.

I know you mention that those of Scandinavian descent in The Twin Cities go back several generations, well so do those of Italian descent here in Rhode Island, yet there are more Italian Restaurants in a square mile than I know what to do with....Does that mean that Italians are prouder of their heritage?

Here's another map of those of Jewish Ancestry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jewish1346.gif

as you can see the NYC area has a significant population yet in a city with a metro population of 20 million there are probably less than  50 kosher (style) delis in the entire metro area, in fact "50" may be too liberal of a number, yet there are alot of delusional roadfooders on the forum who think that these delis are alive and well and flourishing. There used to be hundreds in Manhattan alone.. Now all that I hear about are the same 4 or 5. Not because they're the best (although they are ) but because that's all that's left!

I'll use another example, the fried chicken houses in  Indianapolis and Kansas City- I betcha there used to be "dozens"  in each city. Whats left? Hollyhock Hill and Strouds!! I don't know of any others, do you?

You mention that Scandinavian Cuisine is not "twin cities" cuisine. I guess using that argument, then places like Sokolowski's is not definitive of Cleveland but just a Polish Restaurant that could just as well  be in Albuquerque or Atlanta

Finally I provided you with one restaurant (Grumpys) that had Hot Dish on their menu, you said it's a joke. Then I provided another (Hot Plate) and you indicated its a tourist trap. I'm not certain why restaurants would waste their time, money and resources by putting a "joke" on their menu, I've never seen that before and it really doesn't make any sense at all, in addition I'm not certain how a tourist could even by the widest margin of chances accidentally find a restauarant in a non descript neighborhood, yet at the same time all the reviews (most positive) on the web were written by locals??

Despite all this , Davydd, I still like ya'  and look forward to meeting you next year.





post edited by wanderingjew - 2009/03/19 21:59:01
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 21:59:22
There's a difference. If you put it all together there are more Hmong in Ramsey County (St. Paul) than Swedes for instance. The difference is a Swede by ancestry may more than likely be a fourth generation or greater with little cultural heritage other than the last name, but Hmong are most likely immigrants and first generation still speaking their native language and embracing their old world cultures.

So you get authentic southeast Asian cuisine in the Twin Cities but non-authentic stereotype Swedish hotdish made with commercial tater tots from a bar like Grumpy's. The Swedes stopped coming off the boats nearly 100 years ago and they certainly did not bring tater tots with them. But if you insist buying into that stereotype you really should drive up the North Shore to Grand Marais and take in Sven and Ole's Pizza.
Nancypalooza
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/19 22:19:30
If you do that, please bring me back a bag of granulated sugar cake donuts from World's Best Donuts please.

One of the most interesting books I've ever read was about Hmong immigrants in California, 'The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down' by Anne Fadiman.
easydoesit
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 04:47:34
I've greatly enjoyed the back and forth between Davydd and Wandering Jew in the various threads, but did not intend to join in as I learned long ago that getting in between the Bickersons is never a good idea.  But if you want to find some legitimate remnants of Scandinavian culture and food, come to Davydd's adopted city of La Crosse.   We have Scandahoovians everywhere, and you don't have to chew Copenhagen, neither.

In little Holmen WI is Drugan's Supper Club, (Viking ship logo), with traditional supper club menu, and lutefisk and lefse on the Sunday brunch (seasonal only, October-March).   But they don't go back that far, just since 1970.  WJ, there are no tourists eating here, they are all local.  And mostly older, which is good 'cause you can get in front of them easier.

If you google 'Lefse WI' you will find several small producers in local villages, Blair, Fountain City, Taylor.....these are all tiny, family type operations.  The fact there are so many is proof that around here we like our lefse.  And you can buy it at many retail outlets.

Nearby Westby is nothing but Norwegian, with many specialized shops, and Borgen's Cafe, under recent new ownership but in existence since 1903.  Everything there is Vilkommen, Uff-da, and "Spis, drik, a ver gla" (Eat, drink, and be glad."

But the Scandinavains here are not ashamed of their heritage.  On the contrary, they celebrate it as much as do Germans, Poles, Czechs, and others in the area. Syttende Mai celebrations, and Norskadalen Village and on and on.  

But there is not much in the way of cuisine, which is mainly because no one wants to eat it.  Lefse's ok, but it competes with tortillas;  swedish meatballs are ok, but they compete with Italian;  pickled herring is ok (if you're drunk), but it competes with pickled sausage;  and lutefisk....doesn't compete with anything.

Davydd said that the Scandinavians sure did not bring Tater Tots over with them on the boat.  At Borgen's you can get a Lefse Breakfast Wrap, which did not make that trip either.  (Or maybe it did, you can roll up anything in a lefse.)

But hey, we're cosmopolitan!  We've even got a Hmong cafe, with real Hmongs and everything!
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 08:47:11
BuddyRoadhouse,
 
I went to Pearson's back in 1998 and I   concurr, I wasn't impressed. However in 1999, I went to the Scandinavian Buffet at Kafe Stuga at the Radisson Hotel in Bloomington- Fantastic (although I've heard its since gone downhill)  then went to Crabtree's Kitchen in Marine on St Croix, this place  was reviewed by the Stern's in their roadfood book in the 80's and to me was truly definitive Minnesotan with a touch of Scandinavian influence.  Like Strouds in KC or Hollyhockhill in Indianapolis, I understand there used to be "dozens" of restaurants like Crabtree's Kitchen in the Twin Cities area. Probably one of my favorite roadfood stops of all time along with the now defunct White Way Cafe in Durant Iowa. Unfortunately both places were "taken out" by the "sheeple casual restaurant chains". On the same trip I enjoyed wild rice pancakes at the now defunct Rick's Cafe in Minneapolis, Walleye and Wild Rice Soup at Tavern on Grand in St Paul and I then continued on to Pheasant, Wild Rice, Beer Cheese Soup and Sour Cream Raisin Pie at Anderson House (another restaurant formerly reviewed by the Sterns) in Wabasha.
I certainly didn't go hungry on this trip, or for that matter my last trip to the Twin Cities in 2006.
 
Davydd,
 
I never considered tater tot hot dish "Scandinavian" or "Fake "Scandinavian" however it is definetely "Minnesotan" or at least Definetely "Northern Heartland" regional food.  Is a Cuban Sandwich really Cuban food?? it was invented in Ybor City in Tampa, Cubans fleeing the  Castro regime didn't bring these compressed sandwiches with them on the boat?
 
Why would I want to get authenthic Hmong food in the Twin Cities when I can get it right here in South Providence? Yes we do have a Hmong Population here. I can probably get authentic Vietnamese here too, or if not here in Rhode Island then definetely up in Boston.
 
Ahi
 
King Oscars was one of the Scandinavian Restaurants my former coworker mentioned, there were several others too- The Jolly Troll? Ginghams? (spelling?) and a couple of other places too.
 
Easydoesit,
 
Davydd and I are just having a friendly debate, we respect eachother's opinion and you're welcome to join in. I know that Wisconsin (as well as Minnesota and North Dakota) have quite a few small town cafes with Scandinavian influence. I've been to Door County which is touristy but is mostly local tourists from Wisconsin and had some delicious flavorful and hearty Scandinavian food at the Sister Bay Cafe in Sister Bay, I also went to Al Johnson's Swedish Restaurant, real goats on
the roof and all, and although it was somewhat tacky and touristy the Swedish Meatballs and Swedish Pancakes with Lingonberrys was actually quite good.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 09:25:28
easydoesit,

WJ and I just enjoy having a jousting debate. It springs up every once in a while and I do hope with all my power that the Minnesota Twins offer lutefisk on a stick at the new Target Field next year. Maybe a lefse wrapped spring roll? 
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 09:33:48
Davydd

easydoesit,

WJ and I just enjoy having a jousting debate. It springs up every once in a while and I do hope with all my power that the Minnesota Twins offer lutefisk on a stick at the new Target Field next year. Maybe a lefse wrapped spring roll? 


or perhaps a walleye bhan mi sandwich  and some pho hotdish.
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 09:34:34
 Gadz!!! I forgot all about the Jolly Troll, my family couldn't go there 'cause the robot trolls scared the Bejesus out of my little brother... I went there on a field trip in 5th grade and a bunch of rowdy boys had to go wait on the bus for starting a swedish meatball fight!! " />
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 09:41:28
  BB, Chris and Amy,     I forgot to mention Kramarczuk's ,but it's pretty famous so you most likely already know about it.... across the street from Nye's, pirogi ,sausage and strudel!!!   been there for a bizillion years.
The Travelin Man
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 10:32:17
Davydd

There's a difference. If you put it all together there are more Hmong in Ramsey County (St. Paul) than Swedes for instance. The difference is a Swede by ancestry may more than likely be a fourth generation or greater with little cultural heritage other than the last name, but Hmong are most likely immigrants and first generation still speaking their native language and embracing their old world cultures.


This really is the key.  I think wanderingjew lives in this static world where the world is perpetually the same.  Technically, *I* am of German decent (at least to some part), but I live my life no more German than I do Korean. 

Your comment also holds true for the "south Florida" comparison above.  Given the same maps used there...

Cuban ancestry

German ancestry

By looking at those two maps, you can see that as much as 30% of the population of the nation's eighth largest county is of Cuban decent - and, odds are, of somewhat recent Cuban ancestry.   Even by expanding into Broward and Palm Beach counties, my suspicion is that the overall number of people claiming Cuban ancestry would be higher than German.  But, those who are first or second generation Cubans versus those who are first or second generation ANYTHING would be a HUGE difference.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 12:41:47
The Travelin Man

I think wanderingjew lives in this static world where the world is perpetually the same.


If that's the case then perhaps last spring we should have completely skipped over
Katz' Museum of Ancient Judaica and spent the entire day at Cinco De Mayo
in Spanish Harlem.
 
Or skipped over Stroud's Shrine and Conservatory on our baseball trip and gone to one of those Korean Restaurants that Sfreader mentioned on one of his trip reports! " />


 Technically, *I* am of German decent (at least to some part), but I live my life no more German than I do Korean. 



That's open to interpretation,  you and I get our own special category of Jewish Descent, although it's a religion it's also deemed an ethnic group as well....it's even included in those maps.




post edited by wanderingjew - 2009/03/20 13:24:11
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 13:16:40
special category of Jewish Descent, although it's a religion it's also deemed an ethnic group as well.


What is it about that?  I was having that discussion just last week with my co-worker.  We are both Jewish.

Jewish is a religion but it's treated differently.  

My ancestors mostly come from Poland.  I'm first generation.  But I don't think of myself as Polish.  

I frequent delis and have not ever been to a Polish restaurant.

Then again I've never been to Michigan.
zataar
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 14:24:34
wanderingjew


or perhaps a walleye bhan mi sandwich  and some pho hotdish.


I did indeed have walleye spring rolls and walleye claypot at a Vietnamese place in St. Paul.

 
The Travelin Man
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 14:34:30
wanderingjew

If that's the case then perhaps last spring we should have completely skipped over
Katz' Museum of Ancient Judaica and spent the entire day at Cinco De Mayo
in Spanish Harlem.


It's scary when you make someone else's points.  This is exactly what I (initially, Davydd) mean.  The only reason you believe Katz's is MORE authentically New York than a Cinco de Mayo parade through Spanish Harlem is because the Jews were there first.  It doesn't matter - because there were a hell of a lot more people at the Cinco de Mayo festival than there are at Katz's in a week - and, trust me on this one, almost every damn one of 'em was a "local."

We CHOSE to go to Katz's because that is what interests us.  If this was a web site that celebrated taquerias from around the country, we probably would have drawn a much larger group to the Spanish Harlem festivities.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 16:27:48
The Travelin Man



It's scary when you make someone else's points. 
The only reason you believe Katz's is MORE authentically New York than a Cinco de Mayo parade through Spanish Harlem is because the Jews were there first.


Dude, I'm dissapointed in you. When was the last time you were back in NY? I think you need to return and "fine tune' your sarcasm detector....

That's not what I was saying....

I was being sarcastic. The point I was trying to make was that there are too many people on the forum who are "conveniently selective" and I've been playing devils advocate in order to prove my point.
For example....I may refer to Scandinavian food and Hot Dish in the Twin Cities. Person a and b will then mention that  it's "past its prime" "no longer exists" "for the tourists" or "it never existed at all" (I love that reasoning).  Then someone will mention NY or Kansas City  and persons  c  and d always has to shout out "Katz's, Katz's Katz's!" or "Stroud's, Stroud's Strouds!" And others will go along and embrace this even though one can argue "it's past its prime" "for the tourists" or "it no longer (barely) exists, hell if these restaurants go under I guess eventually you can even say "they never existed at all", why not?. That's what I mean by selective reasoning. 

In other words why is dying or dead regional cuisine acceptable in one area and not another?


post edited by wanderingjew - 2009/03/20 18:58:23
Nancypalooza
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 16:37:27
Are you new to the Interwebs?
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 19:04:34
Nancypalooza

Are you new to the Interwebs?


Interwebs?
Nancypalooza
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/20 20:23:53
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=interwebs

I was basically suggesting that Dale's summary above was the way all forum conversations go.  ;)
post edited by Nancypalooza - 2009/03/20 23:50:19
BuddyRoadhouse
Filet Mignon
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/21 02:10:31
zataar
wanderingjewor perhaps a walleye bhan mi sandwich  and some pho hotdish.
I did indeed have walleye spring rolls and walleye claypot at a Vietnamese place in St. Paul.
And we had a whole walleye prepared Szechuan style last time we visited Tea House in Plymouth, a western suburb of Minneapolis.  Great stuff!

Buddy
easydoesit
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/21 05:12:18
Sad to report from today's local paper that the Anderson House in Wabasha MN  has shut down due to lack of business.  The claim is it was the oldest continuously operating hotel west of the Mississippi, opening in 1856.  

The current owners had been supporting it at a loss for the last four years and can no longer continue.  The building is now empty, except for its supposed ghosts. 
easydoesit
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Descending on the Twin Cities March 20th 2009/03/21 05:22:45
Forgot to mention a tasty Scandinavian treat that you won't find hardly anywhere, but we make it here, at Old Country Cheese in Cashton WI.  Their website says Juusto (full name Juustoleipa) is pronounced "...HOOstah-lee-pah....a flat, squeaky cheese with a buttery flavor..." made in Finland and Sweden for the last 200 years.  

You can get it at their plant (way) out in the country, or at a few local outlets.  It's kind of like eating a mild, nutty raw cheese curd. 
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