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BigSlicks
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First shirt decal... - Wed, 06/3/09 8:05 PM
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Well guys I have my first shirt drawing complete and you my friends are the first to see it complete this is 1 of 15 that are in the works.

 
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Re:First shirt decal... - Wed, 06/3/09 8:10 PM
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That's great!  Reminds me of the "Big Johnson" shirts that I used to have to turn inside out in high school.


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 12:39 AM
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I don't care for it. I don't like blatant double-entendre stuff on clothing, seems too cheap and crass. Objectively, the art work is very good.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 12:51 AM
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Well thanks for you thoughts. I on the other hand think it is a great idea. Joes crap shack, Hooters, Big Johnson, all big hits with their clothing.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 12:58 AM
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Awesome, Big Slick!

Great Job! 

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 1:27 AM
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Thanks so how many you want lol

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 2:11 AM
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pretty good

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 5:43 AM
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I suppose you posted this for the purpose of soliciting opinions.  I agree with davebugg.  While humor has it's place in the promotion of a business, I draw the line against anything that doesn't pass my granddaughter/mother test.  If it's something I wouldn't want my 12 year-old granddaughter to wear or it would embarrass  my Mother, I don't think it's appropriate for promoting a business.

I guess it depends on the image you want to promote.  Like I said, humor is good, but you should consider how all of your prospective customers will view it.  If you had a tweener or a young teenage daughter, would you want her to wear one of these tee shirts?  Would you want your wife to wear it in public?  I think these are the types of questions you need to ask.

I'm sure you can say, "hey it's just a fun way to promote my hot dog business", but keep in mind that it's not only important that your product tastes good, it's also important that you use good taste in promoting your business.

If your intent is to appeal only to a certain segment of the marketplace, go ahead and promote your business using this type of thing.  I'm sure that there are lots of teenagers and young adults who will get a kick out of it.  Just be sure you understand who your target market is.  If you displayed this shirt, would I come by and get a dog from you?  If I'm by myself, yeah, I would.  If I had my grandkids in tow, not a chance.

If your other fourteen designs are similar to this, I would suspect that some event organizers might even have a problem with them if you plan to sell them.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy if you must.  I guess that's what I am when it comes to promotional concepts.


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 6:33 AM
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I really dont understand what you think the message I am trting to get out. I am not supporting a porn company. Its a cartoon of a ladie in a bikini with a hot dog.  There is no nudity well you know what I mean. So lets say want to go to  Joes Crab shack do you not take your kids or grand kids in there becouse of the message. "my wife gave me crabs" and so on and so on. I have 1 teenage 15yrs old and a 19yr old and I have seen much worse things on the kids bodies then this. I am pushing a name out there. And if it works great. I am not selling at my stands just online and word of mouth.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 7:21 AM
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BigSlicks


I really dont understand what you think the message I am trting to get out. I am not supporting a porn company. Its a cartoon of a ladie in a bikini with a hot dog.  There is no nudity well you know what I mean. So lets say want to go to  Joes Crab shack do you not take your kids or grand kids in there becouse of the message. "my wife gave me crabs" and so on and so on. I have 1 teenage 15yrs old and a 19yr old and I have seen much worse things on the kids bodies then this. I am pushing a name out there. And if it works great. I am not selling at my stands just online and word of mouth.


I think it's good that you don't plan to sell them at your stand.  What if a couple of people asked you?  Would you change your mind?

I didn't accuse you of selling porn.  It's a matter of image.  What image to you want to project?

As an aside, I've noticed that you have a great deal of enthusiasm in promoting your business.  That's good.  Do you have a firm promotion budget?  Many new business owners get caught up in spending and then defend it by saying, "Oh, I can write it off as a business expense".  That's true, but it only works if you're actually making a profit, and then you only gain the amount of taxes you would normally pay on that business expense.  For instance, if you spent $10.00 on a legitimate business expense, and your tax rate is 30%, your gain is $3.00, but you still spent $7.00 out of your own pocket.  If that $7.00 produces more than $7.00 in net profit, then you're ahead.  If not, it's money ineffectively spent.

The best advice that I ever got, and have subsequently given, is that the easiest money to make is the money you don't spend.  Of course, you may need to spend money on advertising and promotion, such as these shirts, but be aware that if the promotion doesn't produce adequate sales to make you money after the expense of the promotion, that's money down the hole.

Have you figured out how much inventory of fifteen different designs and at least 3-4 different sizes you'll need to carry to support your online sales effort, or will you go out to Walmart, pick you up a shirt and then come back to the house and drag out your ironing board when you get an order?

In the title of this thread, you use the word decal.  I assume that your shirts will be made using a transfer, is that right?  Will you let your online customer know that the shirt has a transfer and is not screen printed?  Will you be prepared to hear from unhappy customers when after a few washings, the transfer is peeling off?

Like I said, enthusiasm is important and so is promotion.  Just keep in mind that you're in the hot dog business and not the tee shirt business.  Or, are you?

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:22 AM
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BigSlicks


Well guys I have my first shirt drawing complete and you my friends are the first to see it complete this is 1 of 15 that are in the works.




While I think the artwork is great and whoever did it has some skillz for sure I think the first draft is just a little to "in your face" with the ohh so nice looking female :-p and I don't think it will go over well at a family type setting. Now if you serve 99% men or some very high number I think it will work just fine as we have different standards then the fems ha ha.

I think the Hooters and others are a little more subtle with is and on a different level. I don't think that design would work there either.

I say tweak it a little and you got a hit. Either way I'm sure it will get attention and that may be great for your name anyway.


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:33 AM
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I'd be running it by the local officials before spending to much money..a little offensive in the current climate of the USA.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:46 AM
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"Now if you serve 99% men or some very high number I think it will work just fine as we have different standards then the fems ha ha. "

You really think there will be a long line of men spending money to wear a shirt that says they just ate a huge weiner? Did you go to grade school? The double entendre is on that level so let's just admit it in grade school it was an insult if you said it about a guy. Not that there is anything wrong with it. And honestly, save the "what? what? It's just talking about hot dogs." There is a reason you didn't choose to write "I just ate a huge hot dog." I think you could use the same photo and get a better slogan that is still off color, but would appeal to more people. 

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:56 AM
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It would be much better if it were more subtle. It's too direct, hint at it a little bit instead of just coming out and saying it.

I can't believe I'll use Hooter's as an example of subtlety, but here goes:

For example, one of the Hooter's T-Shirts said "More than a Mouthful". This is much better than if they had a T-Shirt that said "Our Waitresses have Massive Racks"

See what I am saying?

Good luck with your project.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:59 AM
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Wow I think I have walked into a episode of the cleavers. Well golly wally the beaver went to the pool and saw a girl in a swimming suit. LoL

Its just a chick with a swimming suit. lol its cool I dont expect to win any awards. I knew that when I displayed this I would get alot of mixed remarks. But its ok.

---Myterry2 how is this offensive in the current climate? I really dont understand that?

I am always listening to all your advise but looking at this post its like I have walked into a episode of Leave it to Beaver. "Well Ward I am a little concerned the Beaver was at the pool and was looking a girls in there Swimming Suites.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:07 AM
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You asked for opinions and people are giving you their opinions.  Personally, I cannot see anyone buying  this shirt except a teen-age boy who thought it was was going to be fun to wear for the attention he would get from other boys in his age group.  (The girls would walk away}

If I saw someone wearing one, I would roll my eyes.  Sorry, but you did ask!

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:26 AM
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Is that just simply mustard being applied liberally to the big weiner, or is it intended to stimulate the imagination?

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:36 AM
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davebugg


I don't care for it. I don't like blatant double-entendre stuff on clothing, seems too cheap and crass. Objectively, the art work is very good.


It doesn't bother me one way or the other but I agree with the blatant over use of the double-entendre.  aka Dad jokes. I wouldn't wear it (I'm 51) and I wouldn't let my 15 yo son wear it. My 27 yo nephew would own 6 of them and wear it daily!

It really boils down to what type of image you want to portray your business as. If you're doing a 9pm-2am stand in the hip side of town and serving the post bar crowd, it may be a hit. On the other hand, if you're on the street in a downtown business district, maybe not so much. It's your call and your business.  

Maybe more importantly, what does it provide in return? How does it move your business forward? Every dollar has to be spent wisely with a return in mind. Could you use the money it would take to produce these shirts and use it somewhere else that would generate more income or a better return on your hard earned dollars?

Just my .02




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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:38 AM
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LOL is just mustard on a big slick dog. Whatever thanks for all of your opinions.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:41 AM
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In what venue are you currently selling dogs?

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:51 AM
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Right now bars, special events, Car dealerships.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:52 AM
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divefl

You really think there will be a long line of men spending money to wear a shirt that says they just ate a huge weiner? Did you go to grade school? The double entendre is on that level so let's just admit it in grade school it was an insult if you said it about a guy. Not that there is anything wrong with it. And honestly, save the "what? what? It's just talking about hot dogs." There is a reason you didn't choose to write "I just ate a huge hot dog." I think you could use the same photo and get a better slogan that is still off color, but would appeal to more people.[quote/]





Answer---

I meant that if he had a 99% men customer base then they would probably like to look at them NOT wear them. I think its just a matter of time before they are offered in the field or a kid says lets check out his website from my cell or game system while we wait inline for our meal mom or grandma, and that's when (some) will have a problem.

lol there are some segments of the male population that would wear that shirt proudly ha ha. He may be able to start a following. What part of the country is it again? lol

Again I say tweak it a little. Maybe test the waters as is and review feedback from customers.



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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:58 AM
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I have to agree with jman. I find it both inappropriate and offensive. If I were a parent, no kid of mine would ever be allowed to wear something like that, and I wouldn't buy from a vendor wearing one.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:07 AM
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I agree with the tweak. Again, What teenage boy, if that's what you are going for, wants to wear a shirt in front of people that essentially says "I like C@(&." Come one. That's not being puritanical, that's being realistic. Raunchy tshirt is one thing...maybe "Girls like my Big Slick with mustard" or "Ladies take my Big Slick with relish" or whatever, but think of who would buy it and what they would not like the tshirt to say about them. It's about making money, right? Those are free, but if used I want free dogs for life.
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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:18 AM
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BigSlicks,

I'm surprised that you're surprised. Obviously there are people with differing morals and values across the country, and right here on the forum.  While you never explicitly asked for an opinion on your design, and you have already made up your mind, you had to know you were going to get several opinions.  You also had to know that your design would be controversial.  If you don't want the opinions or controversy, don't post the other 14 designs.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:38 AM
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divefl


I agree with the tweak. Again, What teenage boy, if that's what you are going for, wants to wear a shirt in front of people that essentially says "I like C@(&." Come one. That's not being puritanical, that's being realistic. Raunchy tshirt is one thing...maybe "Girls like my Big Slick with mustard" or "Ladies take my Big Slick with relish" or whatever, but think of who would buy it and what they would not like the tshirt to say about them. It's about making money, right? Those are free, but if used I want free dogs for life.



That's no different then what I have on there on there now.

Thatsmydog--- who knows maybe I will start a triend. There is more to follow. I am going to chance it here. I am a gambling man. Shoot I was a gambling man starting the Hot Dog business. Well so far all my buddies have already purchased one. So who knows. I know there just supporting me but it will get out there. And the more shirts I sell, the more money to the PKD foundation. And I am from Arizona.

You folks are a selcet few but I am not sure if you really look at what guys and teenagers are wearing now a days.


Well discuss this. Industries is a multi million dollar company. There is not a day that goes by I don't see someone wearing a Skin clothing. And allot of there products has the sexy shadow of a girl. What are they selling besides the shirt some kind of sex appeal.




For folks like us who know and who have been there, what do you think younger crowds think when they go inside the resturant. I know when I took my kids they laughed all threw dinner.



I could go on and on... I just see the Issue. Its alright if you dont agree with me. If I must I will learn the hard way.


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:40 AM
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BigSlicks,

I'm surprised that you're surprised. Obviously there are people with differing morals and values across the country, and right here on the forum.  While you never explicitly asked for an opinion on your design, and you have already made up your mind, you had to know you were going to get several opinions.  You also had to know that your design would be controversial.  If you don't want the opinions or controversy, don't post the other 14 designs.


Strong work and great Idea.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:42 AM
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waydeg


davebugg


I don't care for it. I don't like blatant double-entendre stuff on clothing, seems too cheap and crass. Objectively, the art work is very good.


It doesn't bother me one way or the other but I agree with the blatant over use of the double-entendre.  aka Dad jokes. I wouldn't wear it (I'm 51) and I wouldn't let my 15 yo son wear it. My 27 yo nephew would own 6 of them and wear it daily!

It really boils down to what type of image you want to portray your business as. If you're doing a 9pm-2am stand in the hip side of town and serving the post bar crowd, it may be a hit. On the other hand, if you're on the street in a downtown business district, maybe not so much. It's your call and your business.  

Maybe more importantly, what does it provide in return? How does it move your business forward? Every dollar has to be spent wisely with a return in mind. Could you use the money it would take to produce these shirts and use it somewhere else that would generate more income or a better return on your hard earned dollars?

Just my .02




LOL my dad is 51 and I know what he wears, I would'nt expect you to understand he too is like rolling his eyes. But thanks

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:48 AM
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And we wonder why schools dont want hot dog carts near by. This is setting the clean cut hot dog business guy back to the Carnie days. This is the kind of tee shirt I used to see on the Farris Wheel operator as he looked up the girls skirts. There are ways of doing things in good taste, this just isn't one of them................Bill

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 11:09 AM
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LOL my dad is 51 and I know what he wears, I would'nt expect you to understand he too is like rolling his eyes. But thanks



Okay, now you've pissed me off. 
You don't know me from Adam. 
Don't compare me to your father.
You assume too much. Age is not a determining factor of morality, experience or apparently, good taste. Us "old guys" roll our eyes at this type of attitude due in large part because we've already been there, done that and know the results.    You cannot compare this illustration and innuendo to Hooters. Hooters corporate would kick this to the curb in an instant. 
And - simply because other businesses do it doesn't make it right or smart.

If you honestly believe people will perceive this as just "a lady eating a Big Slicks hot dog" you're more naive that any of the Cleavers you berate. 

Given your age, I wouldn't expect YOU to understand.





 


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 11:13 AM
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BillyB


And we wonder why schools dont want hot dog carts near by. This is setting the clean cut hot dog business guy back to the Carnie days. This is the kind of tee shirt I used to see on the Farris Wheel operator as he looked up the girls skirts. There are ways of doing things in good taste, this just isn't one of them................Bill


OMG as my younger son would say. Its a chick in a Bikini. Eating on a Big Slick dog and your comparing it to Carnies? I dont sell my shirts in my carts ,  And FYI schools do let hot dog carts sell there I have done 2 events there. I am not taking this personal guys but I really dont see the problem if one person can please tell me the problem with this design. Just one good error on my part. I dont car if you would wear it, I dont care if you would roll your eyes, I need constructive information here. Please

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 11:20 AM
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waydeg


Big Slicks replies:
LOL my dad is 51 and I know what he wears, I would'nt expect you to understand he too is like rolling his eyes. But thanks



'nt

Given your age, I wouldn't expect YOU to understand.


Sir with all due respect. I am sorry if you took the wrong way. I wouldn't call my dad old he would kick my Butt. I was putting 2 posts into one. As I re-read the posts. I am sorry. Your right I don't know you. I was comparing Hooters and Skin Industries in the beginning when they first started. I am sure they got crap from other people as I am with your all here and my father. But I have to to go on my own direction. Again sir, I am really sorry. This might not be a smart move but its one I am taking to see what happens. this has gone to far. I have upset someone and that was not my intentions. So I am going to ask the mods to please lock this thread and I will remove the picture. Again sir please forgive.

respectfully

Jason B.
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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 3:26 PM
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BigSlicks


divefl


I agree with the tweak. Again, What teenage boy, if that's what you are going for, wants to wear a shirt in front of people that essentially says "I like C@(&." Come one. That's not being puritanical, that's being realistic. Raunchy tshirt is one thing...maybe "Girls like my Big Slick with mustard" or "Ladies take my Big Slick with relish" or whatever, but think of who would buy it and what they would not like the tshirt to say about them. It's about making money, right? Those are free, but if used I want free dogs for life.



That's no different then what I have on there on there now.



Really? You think so? You're not seeing the difference between wearing one or the other? Your's worn by a man says "Hi sailor, give me a try. I'm very experienced. Let me be your peg-boy."  And that is fine if you want to convey that message, but you should be able to see that it is blatantly there. I know in your dreams it's all women wearing the shirt, but again... know your audience. I don't care if people around me are wearing mud-flaps, but everything conveys a message and you are not seeing the message from your shirt.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 4:22 PM
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BigSlicks


I really dont understand what you think the message I am trting to get out. I am not supporting a porn company. Its a cartoon of a ladie in a bikini with a hot dog.  There is no nudity well you know what I mean. .......

 
Oh, please!!! It's clear that this shirt's double meaning is one of oral sex. That is a pornographic double-meaning. I can respect your right to make a choice like that, even if it is disgusting to me. But at least man-up, quit playing rationalization games to try and justify such a logo, and go ahead with the project if that's the way you want to go.
 
You didn't ask for our opinions, but posting here is an overt invitation to seek reaction to what is posted.. Have some respect and say "thank you" for the feedback instead of trying to argue why our opinions have no value simply because they disagree with how you filter your perceptions of what is acceptable and what isn't.. As I said, the art work is great, but the logo would embarass me and my family. And it's a good bet that it will limit the client base to those who find crass humour to be acceptable.
 
I'm just sayin'.


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 5:28 PM
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This back and forth reminds me of something I tried to teach my children when they were growing up.  I taught them the difference between having the right to do or say something and doing or saying what is right.

BS, as the owner of your business, you have the right to print shirts to promote your business, but is printing shirts that promote a bawdy image the right thing to do?

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 5:42 PM
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Sex sells. Right or wrong. It will push some people away and bring some in, but REALLY and this is so key...no intelligent, straight man (some of my closest friends are gay/ my father's gay/ etc)  would want a shirt that proclaims I ate a big weiner.  Doesn't matter how many women in bikinis you also put on the shirt. If the shirt says it, it implies the wearer has some connection. I heart new york.; Kiss me. I'm  Irish.; I  ate the weiner.  Think about it.

I'm really enjoying this thread.
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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 5:53 PM
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Sorry Pops. Very interesting forum week.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 5:57 PM
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Big Slick, don't you think that you are giving your two children the wrong message by printing these shirts?

I'd think about that versus making a few extra bucks.
 
I feel that if you go ahead and sell them, you are being very selfish by thinking of yourself over your family.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:15 PM
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Mr Billydee.... Thanks for asking about the Children. I have tought my children that if they have a idea, dont be afraid to follow you thoughts unless it will end you up in jail. My boys are proud of there old man. Owning this Hot Dog business has been a dream of nime and I took alot of slack when i named the company Big Slicks Hot dogs. I mean if you think about it could be a sexual statment. My Boys now that the pops is trying 100% to provide for them. I do whatever it takes to put food on the table and support them threw college. And they also know that for every 1.00 Big Slicks Hot Dogs donates 1.00 to the PKD foundation. My boys are very proud of there old man. I push the envelope. The one thing I am glad that my boys didn't learn from me was my spelling. But thanks Billydee for asking about my boys.

DaveFL.... I dont know how to address your comments. You suggested a couple slogans that to me are the same. No matter what someone can always find something sexual in somekind of statement. I accually like those 2- statements about the mustard and relish. Do you mind me using them? Girls like my Big Slick with mustard" or "Ladies take my Big Slick with relish" thanks


jman... You are correct I am the owner of the Business. #1 I wont sell the dogs at the carts unless I am at the bar or the lake.
I am not going to forse these shirts on your back. You want buy it if not eat your dog and see you later. Thanks for you comments.


Davebug..... My best frined gave me a shirt awhile back ago it says this...

4:21   It took me a minute to find my BONG.

its in Big red letters. Now if you saw me walking into walmart of even a grocery stores, what would you think? That i am a stoner?
The 4:20 has a meaning, I dont want to go and explain it but here is a post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/what-420-means-the-true-s_n_188320.html

But I have it becouse my last name is Bong. Do yo think I care what message it brings no its  not my everyday shirt. I only sell the shirts at Clubs and online. About 4-5 months ago I had a contest. Help make Big Slicks Slogan contest. And I had a little drop box with a piece of paper and I gave them the option of making up a slogan. And I will tell you this I had about a hand full about this weiner slogan. it sells it funny. Do I expect you to understand am I tring to change yor mind. No I dont care I just wanted to show you all. If you dont want one dont buy it. I will not lose sleep.

Thank you DAVEBUG for your comments.



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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:56 PM
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Any chance that you are kin somehow to Dick Bong, America's top ace fighter pilot in WW 2? You are the second person I have ever heard of with that name with Dick being the other.

I would not wear the shirt either but to each his own. Good luck.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 8:56 PM
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BigSlicks


4:21   It took me a minute to find my BONG.


.....snipped the quote.
 
Again, you keep rationalizing why the decal should be just fine, by arguing that other crass material exists. I don't buy it. Your argument that "other crass stuff exists so mine is ok" is an example of someone using the bad behavior or judgement of others to justify their bad behavior or judgement. You will never win me over with that kind of argument. In my view, there is no reason to contribute to the downward coarsening of our culture just because others do it.



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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:00 PM
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Bill Reynolds


Any chance that you are kin somehow to Dick Bong, America's top ace fighter pilot in WW 2? You are the second person I have ever heard of with that name with Dick being the other.

I would not wear the shirt either but to each his own. Good luck.


yes sir, My grandpa....

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:01 PM
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Holy smoke guys, it's a T-SHIRT. I know it's a very in-your-face t-shirt and I know a lot of us seem to be deeply conservative folk but in this world are worse things. Look at it as just marketing.

If BigSlicks marketed primarily to church groups, I'd say he has a branding identity problem. That aside, this type of stuff has a segment of the market. Especially in Arizona. There are whole different standards for what "well dressed" means and what's socially acceptable. This kind of punchy youth-art is very much in style out here so I know BigSlicks is onto something.

Put 50 us us at any local fair. If BigSlicks has his frontage covered with cartoon vixens and he has heavy metal blaring, all else being equal, he's getting the business. And there's something else a lot of us don't understand. I sure don't. But this "viral marketing" thing. These young people will make their own market AROUND you from what I'm reading.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:01 PM
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davebugg


BigSlicks


4:21   It took me a minute to find my BONG.


.....snipped the quote.
 
Again, you keep rationalizing why the decal should be just fine, by arguing that other crass material exists. I don't buy it. Your argument that "other crass stuff exists so mine is ok" is an example of someone using the bad behavior or judgement of others to justify their bad behavior or judgement. You will never win me over with that kind of argument. In my view, there is no reason to contribute to the downward coarsening of our culture just because others do it.


Yes thats what I am tring to do change the culture. Stop. lol enough. I am done. have a great evening.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:18 PM
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BigSlicks


Yes thats what I am tring to do change the culture. Stop. lol enough. I am done. have a great evening.

 
I didn't say 'change' the culture, I said that your actions help coarsen it. Whether you are conciously doing it is not the issue. Laughing simply underscores my point: your threshold of what is decent or not has obviously been affected to the negative.


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:20 PM
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Do you actually read the full posts?  I never said your suggestion was sexual and mine wasn't. I said yours was akin to "coming out of the closet" if you wore it. I really, really want to stop saying that. I truly can not believe this keeps going over your head, so stop messing with me.  Again, I feel you should be able to be legally married if you want to, but it really is a state by state decision.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:43 PM
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Just to be clear, I wasn't asking about your kids. I was actually wondering how they felt about the tee shirt and the message it portrays and most importantly, the message you are giving them.
 
I think you read my post but didn't comprehend what I was saying.

Your mind is made up and I don't think anything is going to change it so good luck.

Keep your costs to a 'bare' minimum so you don't go 'bust'.




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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:47 PM
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divefl


Do you actually read the full posts?  I never said your suggestion was sexual and mine wasn't. I said yours was akin to "coming out of the closet" if you wore it. I really, really want to stop saying that. I truly can not believe this keeps going over your head, so stop messing with me.  Again, I feel you should be able to be legally married if you want to, but it really is a state by state decision.


I'm pretty sure if you are legally married you don't get to eat as many hot dogs. If you are just dating you can pretty much go wild. Works the same with motorcycles. I'm pretty sure it's the same in every state.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 9:51 PM
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Slick, What part of the constructive criticism are you taking in. you argue with anyone who disagrees with your Porn tee shirt. I think we should all act stupid and just think the girl in the bakini really likes large hot dogs. Are there anyother porn shirts you want us to lie about to make you feel better..........................Bill

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:12 PM
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Well I have to laugh. The more you folks tell me how untastefull this slogan is I have had 8 orders for members of this forum. lol the more people hate it the more people want to buy it.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:15 PM
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Marry someone on roadfood and you can eat as many dogs as you want. But, variety is good. Try some half smokes...brats...spiral cut dogs...

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:16 PM
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BigSlicks


..... The more you folks tell me how untastefull this slogan is.....

So it seems that you are unable to see that the slogan is distasteful. Just curious, what kind of slogan WOULD you find distasteful?


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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:28 PM
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Thank you, davebugg and BillyB, for saying what I was thinking ( and saying it better than I ever could. ) Believe it or not, BigSlicks, there are still people in this country who care about such things as morals and decency, and, unfortunately, you just don't seem to get it. Remember the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? Just because other businesses cross the lines of good taste in their advertising doesn't mean that you should. All you're doing with that T-shirt is making your own little contribution to the downgrading of morality in this country. I know that I'm not going to change your mind about this, but I feel that it needed to be said. 

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:42 PM
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davebugg


BigSlicks


..... The more you folks tell me how untastefull this slogan is.....

So it seems that you are unable to see that the slogan is distasteful. Just curious, what kind of slogan WOULD you find distasteful?


Well i am going to pass on this. DaveBugg  lol

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 10:52 PM
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nocarolina


Thank you, davebugg and BillyB, for saying what I was thinking ( and saying it better than I ever could. ) Believe it or not, BigSlicks, there are still people in this country who care about such things as morals and decency, and, unfortunately, you just don't seem to get it. Remember the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? Just because other businesses cross the lines of good taste in their advertising doesn't mean that you should. All you're doing with that T-shirt is making your own little contribution to the downgrading of morality in this country. I know that I'm not going to change your mind about this, but I feel that it needed to be said. 


I served in the United States Navy, I was a Corpsman , I did three tours in Iraq and Afganistan. I have 1 purple heart and you talk about downgrading the morals of this country? From my shirts? Do you think a person who lost there job and cant pay there bills is going to give a ratts butt about my shirts? Come on if you don't like it don't comment, but don't tell me I am screwing with the morals of this fine nation. Yeah i know the saying "Two Wrongs" I live by that rule.

To all who dont like it dont comment. I have figured out that I just dont get it. There is #1 No nudity #2 no cuss words # 3 if someone buys a shirt there going to know its from a Hot dog guy and thats my company name so they should figure it out. So the "I just ate a huge Weiner "Hot Dog" for Big Slicks<------ my company name. I quess in Arizona we are just diffrent. I quess we have no marols. Maybe I should go outside and Burn a flag. That was a stupid post.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 11:17 PM
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You're entitled to think that my post was "stupid", just as I'm entitled to feel the same way about yours ( and believe me, I do. ) Your "everyone else is doing it" reasoning just doesn't fly with me. Wrong is wrong; it's that simple. 

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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 11:21 PM
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BigSlicks


I served in the United States Navy, I was a Corpsman , I did three tours in Iraq and Afganistan. I have 1 purple heart and you talk about downgrading the morals of this country? From my shirts? Do you think a person who lost there job and cant pay there bills is going to give a ratts butt about my shirts? Come on if you don't like it don't comment, but don't tell me I am screwing with the morals of this fine nation. Yeah i know the saying "Two Wrongs" I live by that rule.

To all who dont like it dont comment. I have figured out that I just dont get it. There is #1 No nudity #2 no cuss words # 3 if someone buys a shirt there going to know its from a Hot dog guy and thats my company name so they should figure it out. So the "I just ate a huge Weiner "Hot Dog" for Big Slicks<------ my company name. I quess in Arizona we are just diffrent. I quess we have no marols. Maybe I should go outside and Burn a flag. That was a stupid post.

 
I was a Dustoff flight medic in the Army with two tours in Vietnam, and assorted other excusions. I also have a son who will graduate from college next week and who will be commissioned as a 2nd LT in the Army. He will be leaving for Ranger school shortly thereafter. You don't have the high ground with military service as to be able to dictate whether or not someone gets to post with ANY kind of comment...positive OR negative. As to whether military service is an arbiter of good judgement or moral sense, it really is absurd to use military service as some kind of shield. Of course those in and out of the military make bad decisions of all kinds. Thank goodness the majority don't follow that path.
 
While your shirt has #1. no nudity, #2. no cuss words, or whatever the heck is meant by #3, it also has #4, a clear double meaning that the female is talking about doing a BJ. I hope you're not even going to pretend that that isn't pretty clear.
 
So, yes, your shirts do contribute to a worsening of the moral climate. You may argue that it is all relative, to which I would argue that it all adds up. If the shirt is so harmless and just innocent fun, then how about letting your kids wear one to school?
 
BTW, regardless of anything else, from one combat medic to another, I thank you for your service and wish you the best for your business.



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Re:First shirt decal... - Thu, 06/4/09 11:57 PM
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"I just ate a huge wiener" is amazingly funny.

If you haven't hocked the house to stock up on t-shirts yet, definitely do so immediately. "I just ate a huge wiener" T-shirts will sell like hot cakes.

Good luck.

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Re:First shirt decal... - Fri, 06/5/09 12:48 AM
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well I would not go that far...lo but thanks

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Re:First shirt decal... - Fri, 06/5/09 2:29 AM
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You know, I was thinking about a new recipe, the Osama Been Doggin. It was supposed to be one of our all-beef Hoffy franks served with lentils, shredded radishes and cucumber raita and served on a fresh Khandahari nan, and we had this logo all done up that said in Pashtu and Arabic "American beef, you can't get enough".

Our logo also featured a female, a kind of Arabian interpretation of Betty Page. Just like you used to see in classic American calendar art. Just like all the pictures you saw in magazines growing up. Just like the women's underwear section in the Sears catalog that no proper American boy ever, ever, once looked at. For such things are unthinkable. But the artist we got drew those perfect pinup gal legs. And the effect is unmistakable. You just want to say "great gams" and "hubba-hubba!" and "hi doll-face".

I dunno, I thought it would just be a neat regional flavor to introduce. I picked it up in travels and decided to maybe Americanize it. But after this thread, I'm thinking America might just not be ready to have sex sell consumer products. And if you think Americans get offended, you should see what happened to my first cart in Islamabad.

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