Too early for college football? ('09 Version)

Ill pull for anybody playing Notre Dame.

the ancient mariner


Hey Joe------forgive us for not mentioning JoePa but he has had the limelight
much too long---time to fold up his game plan and silently steal away. 

Hey, You better watch out.  We may start putting ALL you old guys out to pasture
 
I called the Iowa loss.  Heck, we couldn't get things going against Syracuse!  Sorry to say, PSU with 5 losses this year.
 
I am not a ND fan, but I am a Mariner and Mosca fan.  I wish your team all the best.  Serious!  Now stop rolling your eyes!
 
 

Irish look really good.  The lost the game against the only team they have played with a winning record.  The 3 teams they beat are a collective 2-9. 

And 4-0 Michigan has played a tough schedule so far.  Eastern and Western Michigan and Indiana?

How 'bout them Irish!

There were several good finishes today; Wash/ND, Mich/Mich St, LSU/GA, Miami/OK...

Minnesota/Wisconsin was a wild one too.  I don't think Michigan is a very good team, but their freshman QB Tate Forcier is a fun college QB to watch.  He's just a bulldog.

cavandre


Miami's first four games are FSU (#19), Georgia Tech (#15), Virginia Tech (#7) and then Oklahoma (#3). That's a brutal way to open a season!

Miami gets out of that stretch with a 3-1 record. It's a young team but bears watching.

saps, for the first time in a long time I've given in to the allure of college football (I've always preferred the big guys on Sunday). But this year is a joy for college fans. Are the Irish good? Are they bad? Who cares, wasn't that one heck of a game! And Forcier is an amazing player to watch; 18 years old and playing like a senior! And how about Miami's QB last night; he threw INTs on their first two series, then led the team to victory! Pitt's Bill Stull came into the season as a "last best choice" QB, and is playing very well, keeping them in contention for Big East title hopes.

Two things about this year: 1) There are lots of teams bunched around a mean, and 2) there have been some great games because of it. A 4-1 team isn't necessarily better than a 2-3 team this year. Toss the records; lets play!

Joe----my eyes are rolling all the time-----a pool full of Bikini's cause that problem.
PSU won yesterday Joe, all is not lost. 

Mosca---I agrees with you My Boy----that was one helluva game.  7 lead changes,
no one got far ahead, fantastic goal line stands-----ND stunk in the red zone, but our freshman kicker saved our butt---5 FGs------good thing my oxygen was hooked up and working----Clausen is good------t'was a fun game to watch. 

And now a weeks R&R before the slaughter.  I shall be beating the beads and lighting candles---but what happens on the field is all that matters. 

Wow, Joe Pa's Penn State Lions are sure kicking some serious butt today------------
 
31-0 in the first half.  What a powerhouse!!!!!!
 
Oh yea, they are playing "with" Eastern Illinois-------"playing with" as in "a cat playing with a little
mouse".  I though pre-season was over.  When does the Big-10 begin it's regular season ?????
 
Sorry Joe Rogo ----just had to tell it like it is.  (Thank you Howard !!!!!)  At least, ND would keep it
close and only win over E Illinois in the last 2 minutes, just to make 'em feel good.  The Irish do that
on purpose, you know.   
 
 
  

Texas vs. OK & USC vs. ND...Where's the chatter?

cavandre


Texas vs. OK & USC vs. ND...Where's the chatter?

The "Chatter" I hear is The mariner bitting his nails

cavandre
 

Texas vs. OK & USC vs. ND...Where's the chatter?

I'm watching Texas vs. OK and wondering how a team with so little offense is ranked #3. Go Gators!!  pb 

Nails ?  Nails ? I ain't got no stinkin' nails--four nail-biters took care of them.

I nead a nice easy ND victory, a blow-out, and today would be the perfect
spot for it.  Go Irish  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

porkbeaks

cavandre
 

Texas vs. OK & USC vs. ND...Where's the chatter?

I'm watching Texas vs. OK and wondering how a team with so little offense is ranked #3. Go Gators!!  pb 

who?

Looks like it might be Iowa's year in the Big Ten; they're up 10 on Wisconsin late and Purdue's up 16 on Ohio State at the end of 3 quarter.  At the end of the day they might be the only undefeated team in the conference.

Brad

What is the deal with programs such as Penn State, Michigan, and Notre Dame playing an uneven amount of home games to away games.  This year, Notre Dame will play 7 at home, 4 away, and 1 at a neutral field.  Michigan and Penn State will play 8 at home and 4 away.  Then you have Florida, which hasn't left the state in 10 years for a non-conference game. 

With the exception of Oklahoma State, every other team in the top 25 plays at least 5 or mostly 6 games on an opponents field.  In 2010, it appears that ND may only play 3 games on an opponents field.

Why are these sweethearts of college football allowed this competitive advantage?

porkbeaks

I'm watching Texas vs. OK and wondering how a team with so little offense is ranked #3. Go Gators!!  pb 

Got to agree with you about Texas, especially since OK lost its QB & a couple of other offensive starters during the course of the game.

Ahhhhhh, shoot.

Florida & Texas win by slim margins. 'Bama proves it can run but can't throw. VA Tech loses. It will be interesting to see what the "computers" have to say.

Alright Notre Dame fans.  How do you characterize your team?  They barely beat a couple of bad teams, and then barely lose to one of the best teams in the country.

As you know, I'm not much of a Notre Dame fan.  But I can't see how most analysts still have Tebow leading the pack for the Heisman when Claussen has been nothing short of spectacular, even with one of his starting receivers out for the season.  Lord Tebow is a fine player, but he is surrounded by more talent than Claussen.

By the way, kudos to Urban Meyer for looking out for his player (Tebow) after a vicious concussion and keeping him out of the LSU game.  With 2 weeks really being a minimum for safety, and with all of the new data coming out on long term concussion issues, it's good to see that Meyer did all he could to protect his player's well being.  What a douchebag.

saps
 
blah, blah, blah..........By the way, kudos to Urban Meyer for looking out for his player (Tebow) after a vicious concussion and keeping him out of the LSU game.  With 2 weeks really being a minimum for safety, and with all of the new data coming out on long term concussion issues, it's good to see that Meyer did all he could to protect his player's well being.  What a douchebag.

 
Very nice. How'd you like it if someone called you a douchebag?  pb 

 

I've been called plenty of things.  Doesn't really bother me.

I think Urban Meyer earned it.  He had no regard for his player, and put his interests ahead of his star's well being.  Concussions are brain injuries. they are not just a little bump on the noggin, but people seem to like to treat them that way.

I think Urban Meyer's a good football coach, but at the end of the day, the players are just meat, and the coaches are in it for themselves.

Just for the record, Florida had a bye the week before the LSU game, so it was two weeks between Tebow getting the concussion and playing in the LSU game.

Brother Saps --- for a while there I thought you were just one of the many Saps I have run across during my lifetime------but now I must say I was wrong.  

You are a man with an open mind and a judge of fine quarterbacks as well.  Clausen has been spectacular and Urban Meyer is not a nice man.   Once Tim Tebow is gone he will soon be forgotten by Meyer.

Starting CB at Uconn murdered in a brawl at a dance after the game.

Teaching Asst helped football player at Flo St with an exam because he could not
read well enough to understand the questions----she is being investigated. 

Reggie Bush's family lived in million dollar house while he was at USC.  

It's all a sport.  Until the rich Alum's get busy. 

I have a new idea -----add the College's rate of graduating scholarship athletes to on field scores.  See where the Big guys come out. 

UND 95% graduation rate + 27 points = 122 total------blow out over
USC 52%     ''             "      + 34 points =   86 total

We win and so do the kids who go to ND. 

The fact is that all of these schools bend their standards to let talented athletes in.  However, there are those like Notre Dame and some others that make the athletes into students as well.  If players aren't going to be paid, then the schools owe them more than just the scholarship; they need to give them resources to graduate.  These kids are generating tons of revenue for the schools, especially in the higher end sports programs.

For most schools, this is a business; get 'em in, get 'em out, recruit the next batch.  Have a favorable schedule heavy on the home games and maximize your ability to get a Bowl bid.  Coaches are mercenaries, and if you're not lying to recruits, you're not doing your job.

Tebow and Clausen are both good and they both have that intangible will to win.

the ancient mariner


I have a new idea -----add the College's rate of graduating scholarship athletes to on field scores.  See where the Big guys come out. 

UND 95% graduation rate + 27 points = 122 total------blow out over
USC 52%     ''             "      + 34 points =   86 total

We win and so do the kids who go to ND. 

 
Note that most schools with high graduation rates are private schools.  Expensive private schools have much higher graduation rates for both athletes and regular students.   Because of the high tuition and because most of their students come from well-to-do and well-connected families, these schools rarely give any failing grades.  That makes USC’s rate very surprising.
 
And why is a high graduation rate considered a sign of high academics anyway?  I would think that the harder a school is, the lower the percentage that would be able to graduate.    

plb

the ancient mariner


I have a new idea -----add the College's rate of graduating scholarship athletes to on field scores.  See where the Big guys come out. 

UND 95% graduation rate + 27 points = 122 total------blow out over
USC 52%     ''             "      + 34 points =   86 total

We win and so do the kids who go to ND. 

 
Note that most schools with high graduation rates are private schools.  Expensive private schools have much higher graduation rates for both athletes and regular students.   Because of the high tuition and because most of their students come from well-to-do and well-connected families, these schools rarely give any failing grades.  That makes USC’s rate very surprising.
 
And why is a high graduation rate considered a sign of high academics anyway?  I would think that the harder a school is, the lower the percentage that would be able to graduate.    

 
I agree with your first line, but your second line is a total crock of ****.  This is often the case in graduate schools, but not in undergrad.  When I was at Wake Forest, there were F's given out to those who deserved them.  What do you base your assessment on?
 
Here are the BCS schools' grad rates for 2008- anything over 67% is above average.
 
1. Notre Dame 94%
2. Stanford 93
T3. BC 92
T3. Duke 92
T3. Northwestern 92
6. Vanderbilt 91
7. Wake Forest 83
8. Texas Tech 79
T9. Baylor 78
T9. Nebraska 78
T9. UNC 78
T9. Penn State 78
T13. UConn 77
T13. Indiana 77
T15. Colorado 75
T15. Iowa 75
T15. Syracuse 75
T15. Virginia Tech 75
19. Cincinnati 73
T20. Illinois 70
T20. Michigan 70
T20. Miami 70
T20. Rutgers 70
24. Florida State 69
T25. Clemson 68
T25. Florida 68
T25. Maryland 68
T25. Wash State 68
.........................................
T29. Kansas State 67
T29. Pitt 67
31. Virginia 66
T32. South Carolina 65
T32. Washington 65
T34. Oregon State 64
T34. Ole Miss 63
T34. Miss State 63
T34. Purdue 63
T34. West Virginia 63
T34. Wisconsin 63
T40. Okla State 62
T40. UCLA 62
42. Arizona State 60
T43. N.C. State 59
T43. Missouri 59
45. Louisville 58
46. Auburn 57
T47. Kentucky 56
T47. Texas A&M 56
T47. South Florida 56
T50. Alabama 55
T50. Iowa State 55
T52. LSU 54
T52. Tennessee 54
T52. USC 54
T55. Cal 53
T55. Oregon 53
T55. Kansas 53
58. Ohio State 52
T58. Arkansas 52
T60. Minnesota 51
T60. Michigan State 51
62. Texas 50
T63. Georgia 48
T63. Georgia Tech 48
65. Oklahoma 46
66. Arizona 41
 
http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/007839.php
 

 

the ancient mariner


add the College's rate of graduating scholarship athletes to on field scores.  See where the Big guys come out. 

UND 95% graduation rate + 27 points = 122 total------blow out over
USC 52%     ''             "      + 34 points =   86 total

We win and so do the kids who go to ND. 

 
Nothing could reek more of a superiority complex than this statement.
It's sore loser talk: "They beat us in football, but we win in life because our school is better."
 
That's crap.
 
Not every program at ND is better than USC. Different schools have different strengths and weaknesses. Syracuse school of communications is arguably the best in the country, but the university on a whole is not as prestigous as ND, but if you want the best in communications, go the SU's Newhouse School not South Bend, not USC, nor Penn State or Yale.
 
So, to make such sweeping statements as yours is nothing short of small minded non-sense.
 
Your football team lost. Get over it. I was upset that Iowa once again knocked off my Nittany Lions, but I don't come on to a public forum and start crying about how my university is so much better than another. It's preposterous. True, football is not, at all, the full measure of a college, but we're talking sports here in this thread. You can leave any superiority complex at the door.

 The computers move Boise St. & Cinc. up to #4 & #5 in the  BCS Poll ...I didn't expect that!