Micheal Vick

Do you think he will get a contract, if so which team...maybe Oakland, known for it's ah, history of signing thugs! "Just win now baby".

I hope the Lowlife gets snubbed by the teams. There are too many good talented players out they for anyone to have to accept a loser like Vick. Both he and his subhuman brother deserve No sympathy for their chosen lifestyle.

Do you consider him lower than the steroid boys of baseball?

NYPIzzaNut


Do you consider him lower than the steroid boys of baseball?

Absolutely! They don't hurt humans or animals
 
That said, He's done his time, and except for his working with the animal rights group Humane Society of the United States, an animal rights organization that has absolutely nothing to do with animal shelters and rescue (despite what so many uniformed people believe), he has a right to make a living.

Michael Hoffman

NYPIzzaNut


Do you consider him lower than the steroid boys of baseball?

Absolutely! They don't hurt humans or animals
 
That said, He's done his time, and except for his working with the animal rights group Humane Society of the United States, an animal rights organization that has absolutely nothing to do with animal shelters and rescue (despite what so many uniformed people believe), he has a right to make a living.

I hate the steroid boys though because they ruined the reputation of baseball for all time.

Just like Pete Rose did.

Pete Rose really only hurt Pete Rose's reputation, not the rep of the game of baseball.  I don't think steroids will ruin the reputation of baseball for all time.

He's desipicable but a good quarterback.

Would you want him to be on the team that you're playing?

It's kind of the cut off your nose syndrome.

However he's probably a little rusty.

saps


Pete Rose really only hurt Pete Rose's reputation, not the rep of the game of baseball.  I don't think steroids will ruin the reputation of baseball for all time.

Pete Rose has the HOF veterans pitted against one another and steroid era is also going to be a controversy for the foreseeable future - asterisks are being considered and the dialogue is getting very divisive.

It is a no win situation for everyone.

As far as I'm concered players using steroids or HGH are doing nothing more than making themselves better at their jobs. An athlete who doesn't do everyting he or she feels is necessary to improve isn't doing the job.

You mean cheating is OK?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_substances_in_baseball

This piece summarizes this matter fairly well.

I have watched baseball since I can remember and I think this steroids era has really tarnished the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153509

A good piece on the subject also.

Of particular note:
Representation In Mitchell Report  Teams with the most current/former players named in the Mitchell report. Numbers only include players with teams which they've actually played a game for.

Breakdown of Teams Listed Team Total

 Yankees 22
Orioles 18
Angels 16
Mets 15
 Dodgers 15
Rangers 15

Pete Rose and Michael Vick chose to do the the things they did for their own greed/ amusement, and had no concern for anyone else.
They need to learn, but good ole PR isn't doing that too well, and I doubt if MV's contrition is real.

I think Pete had a compulsion for gambling - I am not sure he had it all his life or what treatment he got for it.  I know living  in Cinci since 1977 I kind of got sick about hearing about it all the time for years and years.

NYPIzzaNut


You mean cheating is OK?

I mean that athletes use whatever is available to compete. Had these things been available in years past, they would have been used by those who went before.

Ken Griffey Jr and a host of others beg to differ.

There are such  things as natural ability and ethics.

I think the Yankees are about the biggest disgrace in baseball ever since Steinbrenner took over,  and they top the list above.

I loved them growing up in NY when their starting lineup included
Mantle, Maris, Rizzuto, Bauer, Collins, Martin, Berra, and McDougal.

Since Steinbrenner their luster has disappeared for me.  Win or lose.

NYPIzzaNut


Ken Griffey Jr and a host of others beg to differ.

What makes you think Griffey and those others just haven't been caught?

NYPIzzaNut


There are such  things as natural ability and ethics.

Not when you're talking careers and millions of dollars.

Michael Hoffman

NYPIzzaNut


Ken Griffey Jr and a host of others beg to differ.

What makes you think Griffey and those others just haven't been caught?

I have followed his career since he hit the bigs as have most baseball fans.

As far as the others we shall see but I think if their names have not been linked by now there is a good chance they followed a straight honest ethical  path and have nothing to be concerned about as far the steroid era.

With all the tell-all books and publicity on this subject I think virtually all is in the public arena by now.

Michael Hoffman

NYPIzzaNut


There are such  things as natural ability and ethics.

Not when you're talking careers and millions of dollars.

Speaking of which:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=nyy

NYPIzzaNut

Michael Hoffman

NYPIzzaNut


Ken Griffey Jr and a host of others beg to differ.

What makes you think Griffey and those others just haven't been caught?

I have followed his career since he hit the bigs as have most baseball fans.

As far as the others we shall see but I think if their names have not been linked by now there is a good chance they followed a straight honest ethical  path and have nothing to be concerned about as far the steroid era.

With all the tell-all books and publicity on this subject I think virtually all is in the public arena by now.

Be happy in your belief.

I am not happy with the state of baseball and I am most especially not happy with the Reds.

I am amazed at their ineptitude.

But this thread has drifted off subject and I am the primary culprit so I will bow out of the chat.

As a Giants fan of some 70 years I am very happy with the Reds.

Back to the subject of Vick...  I love animals, especially dogs ( one of God's greatest gifts to mankind, IMO ), and if it were up to me, that worthless lowlife would still be behind bars, where he and others like him belong.

I read that the Steelers and Patriots were co-favorites to sign Michael Vick.  There is absolutely no way the Steelers would ever sign this guy.

As long as Donte Stallworth is walking the streets and playing football, Michael Vick is automatically not the biggest disgrace in the NFL. 

buffetbuster


I read that the Steelers and Patriots were co-favorites to sign Michael Vick.  There is absolutely no way the Steelers would ever sign this guy.

Agree 100% buffetbuster.  The ghost of Mike Webster would arise and punch in the face anyone who even tried. 

I love dogs with a passion, to think, which I try not to, of what he and his other thugs did to the defenseless dogs is simply unforgivable, to hell with Micheal Vick, I wish him homelessness. I couldn't watch my beloved Redskins, a first, if he were on the other team!

I know I'm in a minority but Mr Vick was caught, punished and lost millions of dollars. Let him play football and continue to show public contrition. I think the Dolphins and their wildcat would be a great fit as might Minnesota and its running game.

I know that most employers would not re-hire an employee who was caught and convicted of running an illegal dogfighting ring while employed, and lost the job due to being sent to prison. So, why do you think the NFL should be different? Because they can make millions? Sorry, get a job sacking groceries. The whole concept of "professional" is getting ruined by thugs who are allowed to stay in the NFL. This kind of thing will be the undoing of professional sports.

this is yet another reason why I love scholastic/collegiate sportsing events.

chewingthefat


I love dogs with a passion, to think, which I try not to, of what he and his other thugs did to the defenseless dogs is simply unforgivable, to hell with Micheal Vick, I wish him homelessness. I couldn't watch my beloved Redskins, a first, if he were on the other team!

Careful. Your beloved Redskins, a team already in hot water for refusing to change it's name to something more politically correct, is one of the teams being talked about as possibly going for Vick.

I agree with mr chips that he paid his debt to society and should be reinstated by the league.  Having said that, I hope no team signs him.  But we all know, there is no chance of that happening. 

If Jack the Ripper ran a 4.10 40, teams would be lining up to sign him.  Most likely the Cowboys or the Raiders.

If he ran a 4.2, maybe. But a 4.10? Heck, offensive tackles can pretty near do that.

For several years the Bengals had a reputation for signing players with bad personal histories. The team took a lot of grief for that (in addition to some bad playing records too). It seems that the management has listened to the community in more recent acquistions.

I really depise the Vick brothers for their attitudes and demonstrated criminal behaviors. I see no evidence that those life-styles have changed. The only "Sorry" I have heard is when both of them got caught...Mike at the Dogfights and the brother after he stomped (w/cleats) a downed player in the end-zone of his last college game.   As I said--"Lowlife Behavior"

buffetbuster




If Jack the Ripper ran a 4.10 40, teams would be lining up to sign him.  Most likely the Cowboys or the Raiders.

 
and that's the problem with professional sports.
 
But in defense of Oakland, the Raiders don't sign criminals... they sign psychopaths - an important disctinction. 

Michael Hoffman

chewingthefat


I love dogs with a passion, to think, which I try not to, of what he and his other thugs did to the defenseless dogs is simply unforgivable, to hell with Micheal Vick, I wish him homelessness. I couldn't watch my beloved Redskins, a first, if he were on the other team!

Careful. Your beloved Redskins, a team already in hot water for refusing to change it's name to something more politically correct, is one of the teams being talked about as possibly going for Vick.

 
 
 
Michael, The Skins have no interest in Vick, "at this time". If Dan Snyder signed him he would be run out of town.
As far as the Redskins not changing their name, I always get embarassed when USC is referred to as the Trojans, they need to get a little more PCness!How about the Cleveland BROWNS Jesse where are you?, Seattle Seahawks, Miami Dolphins, Arizona Diamondbacks Carolina Panthers, Baltimore Orioles Detroit Tigers, hey PETA, where are you?? Los Angeles Angels, how did religion creep into baseball??? Green Bay Packers, AFL/CIO what are you waiting for???? New York Yankees, Dixicrats rise up!!!! Which brings us full circle to the Cleveland Indians!

I have no problems at all with the names, and I consider those who do to be beyond nuttiness and thus, not worth bothering about. But, when it comes to the Browns, a team I loathe, they're named after Paul Brown. And the only people who could legitimately object to that name are those who rightfully despise Paul Brown (and his incomptent son Mike) and his Cincinnati Bengirlies.
 
P.S. I'm sure the Cincinnati contingent here -- namely TJ and his pals, who actually believe Cincinnati chili is chili -- will take exception to my comment about the Cincinnati Police Blotters.

I think Vick should be banned for life from pro sports.

I read in the local paper that he could end up in New England. They did at least talk to him. He needs to work to settle his bankruptcy......my brother says that the 1st $750k he makes goes to claims. Were I owed money, I'd hope that he got some work, and soon. He has taken 2 yrs off and is near the end of his career (if he has one at all).

Michael Hoffman


I have no problems at all with the names, and I consider those who do to be beyond nuttiness and thus, not worth bothering about. But, when it comes to the Browns, a team I loathe, they're named after Paul Brown. And the only people who could legitimately object to that name are those who rightfully despise Paul Brown (and his incomptent son Mike) and his Cincinnati Bengirlies.
 
P.S. I'm sure the Cincinnati contingent here -- namely TJ and his pals, who actually believe Cincinnati chili is chili -- will take exception to my comment about the Cincinnati Police Blotters.

We are here to make love, not war.

Scorereader


I know that most employers would not re-hire an employee who was caught and convicted of running an illegal dogfighting ring while employed, and lost the job due to being sent to prison. So, why do you think the NFL should be different? Because they can make millions? Sorry, get a job sacking groceries. The whole concept of "professional" is getting ruined by thugs who are allowed to stay in the NFL. This kind of thing will be the undoing of professional sports.

this is yet another reason why I love scholastic/collegiate sportsing events.

 
Because college sports are so pure and untouched by illegal activity?

I have alwys thought that you can watch how someone treats an animal and have a window into their soul.

saps


Pete Rose really only hurt Pete Rose's reputation, not the rep of the game of baseball.  I don't think steroids will ruin the reputation of baseball for all time.

Except the records are tainted now. Baseball, more than any other sport is statistics-obsessed and the Steroid Years have forever queered its records.
 
What is the legitimate home run record for a single season---Roger Maris, or...

WarToad


I have alwys thought that you can watch how someone treats an animal and have a window into their soul.

A very big AMEN!!!

saps

Scorereader


I know that most employers would not re-hire an employee who was caught and convicted of running an illegal dogfighting ring while employed, and lost the job due to being sent to prison. So, why do you think the NFL should be different? Because they can make millions? Sorry, get a job sacking groceries. The whole concept of "professional" is getting ruined by thugs who are allowed to stay in the NFL. This kind of thing will be the undoing of professional sports.

this is yet another reason why I love scholastic/collegiate sportsing events.

 
Because college sports are so pure and untouched by illegal activity?

saps

Scorereader


I know that most employers would not re-hire an employee who was caught and convicted of running an illegal dogfighting ring while employed, and lost the job due to being sent to prison. So, why do you think the NFL should be different? Because they can make millions? Sorry, get a job sacking groceries. The whole concept of "professional" is getting ruined by thugs who are allowed to stay in the NFL. This kind of thing will be the undoing of professional sports.

this is yet another reason why I love scholastic/collegiate sportsing events.

 
Because college sports are so pure and untouched by illegal activity?

comparitively? yes. It's not even close. But more importantly, when a collegiate athlete gets convicted, sentenced and serves 2 years for a felony, you don't see that kid back on the field in college. There's no comparison. College athetes sure do make mistakes. They often lose their scholarship and never return to college sports because of it.
 
 

chewingthefat

WarToad


I have alwys thought that you can watch how someone treats an animal and have a window into their soul.

A very big AMEN!!!

actually, I hears it was how someone treats a waiter/waitress.

Aren't we losing perspective here? 
 
It’s not like he broke into peoples’ houses, stole their beloved and spoiled pets, and then made them fight to the death.
 
These dogs would not have been bred in the first place if it were not for dog fighting.  Which would be better from a dog’s perspective: (1) be born, be given food and shelter, be given medical care, grow up and then sooner or later probably die doing what your instincts tell you to do, or (2) never be born in the first place?  

MikeS.


I think Vick should be banned for life from pro sports.

I agree. He lacks integrity. There's got to be somplace somewhere that would hire him to clean.
 
However, what if he was forced to work with Dog the Bounty Hunter & together they worked with law enforcement to shut down all the puppy mills?

plb


Aren't we losing perspective here? 
 
It’s not like he broke into peoples’ houses, stole their beloved and spoiled pets, and then made them fight to the death.
 
These dogs would not have been bred in the first place if it were not for dog fighting.  Which would be better from a dog’s perspective: (1) be born, be given food and shelter, be given medical care, grow up and then sooner or later probably die doing what your instincts tell you to do, or (2) never be born in the first place?  

Plb, I gotta go with Option #2--Never been born.
 
Let's do a thought experient here:  It's Roman times and you find yourself being stuck as a gladiator. You get born, live free for a number of years, then get enslaved after losing a battle, and get impressed into being a gladiator, and then killed by that other gladiator who was capable of beating the crap out of you in front of 20,000 people, then stabbing you to death so he could live another day.
 
Except for that last day, were your first twenty years an ok trade off for being the afternoon's entertainment and dying a horrible, painful death in the Coliseum?
 
Human beings have responsiblities for the anmials in our care and while people can be and are, at the low end of wrong-doing, jerks, and at the other end, murderers at worst, I can think of no ethical universe where cruelty for entertainment's sake is a moral thing to do.
 
Bear-baiting used to be entertainment too in medieval tmes, but was it the right thing to do to capture a bear and let dogs kill it for sport? Is that sport? No, it's cruelty and the mindset that accepts cruelty as entertainment has no place in an enlightened society.
 
Discuss...

plb


Aren't we losing perspective here? 
 
It’s not like he broke into peoples’ houses, stole their beloved and spoiled pets, and then made them fight to the death.
 
These dogs would not have been bred in the first place if it were not for dog fighting.  Which would be better from a dog’s perspective: (1) be born, be given food and shelter, be given medical care, grow up and then sooner or later probably die doing what your instincts tell you to do, or (2) never be born in the first place?  

wow. this may be the single most ignorant comment I've ever read on roadfood.