Helpful ReplyHot!Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.)

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ocalaFL
Junior Burger
2009/09/17 19:37:15
“All-The-Way” Hot Dog Topping
(aka: Chili sauce, Coney, Texas wiener, among others)
 
This recipe came from a restaurant that was built around selling hot dogs with this exact recipe. Many establishments sell a similar topping in North East New Jersey, such as Clixe’s, Johnny & Hanges, Libby’s Lunch, Falls View, Goffle Grill, just to name a few. The taste is just spectacular and after trying it, you won’t want a dog without it.
 
A bit of history: (names and/or relationships may be changed to protect both the innocent and guilty)
This recipe was accidentally submitted by a person (wife, son, daughter, covert operator) for inclusion in a church cookbook. All the recipes were photocopied so the originals could be returned. The owner of the restaurant, upon learning his secret recipe could be out, immediately came to my house looking for the submission. He asked if it had been copied yet and since my mother was handling the whole thing, I was not sure and simply answered “no”. He snatched the recipe from my hand and as I look back on this, he let out a huge sigh of relief as he walked away. Later when my mother came home, I told her what had happened and she immediately got the copies, THERE IT WAS! No heading at all, just the recipe along with a bunch of side notes, she knew what it was and we had the only copy in existence not in possession of the owner. Equations had to be worked out from such a large volume down to family size portions, but it was done and the following recipe is the final result. I hope you all enjoy it.
 
Ingredients:
2 lbs ground beef
2 8oz cans tomato paste
2 cups water
1 tsp ginger
1 tbsp cumin
1 ½ tbsp chili powder
¾ tbsp paprika
¾ tsp onion powder
½ tsp garlic salt
½ tsp celery seed
¼ tsp cinnamon
½ tsp nutmeg
1 tsp salt
1 tsp ground pepper
6 oz Heinz ketchup
2 tbsp spicy brown mustard
1 tsp Worcestershire sauce
1 cup finely chopped onion and another 2 cups that do not go into the recipe.
 
The process is just as important as the ingredients, so please do not try to rush this.
1) Put all measured dry ingredients above into a small bowl and mix well, set aside.
2) Brown the ground beef while breaking it into the smallest pieces possible, drain most of the grease, leave a little.
3) Add tomato paste and water directly to the pan with the beef, medium heat, combine well.
4) Sprinkle all dry ingredients evenly into beef/tomato paste mixture while keeping a medium to low heat.
5) Add all other remaining ingredients to pan and stir/mix well. Remember, only 1 cup onion goes in.
6) Slow simmer for at least 1 hour, adding water as necessary so as not to dry out or burn.
 
Your final sauce should have enough consistency so it does not drip or get too runny, yet thin enough not to clump into a ball.
 
Hot dogs should be deep fried until the outside has a bit of a snap when biting into it.
 
Open hot dog bun and put about 1 tbsp chopped onion evenly down center from end to end, add hot dog, then top with all-the-way sauce until dog is covered. EAT.
 
Note: I found out Clixe’s is no longer around, owner passed away and sons did not want to keep it going, heavy sigh.
post edited by ocalaFL - 2009/09/17 19:44:25
John Fox
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:10:14
So this is Clixe's recipe. I went there once some years ago on a Sunday and they were closed that day. By the time I got a chance to go again they were closed for good. Thanks for the recipe.
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:11:23
Forgot to mention you can cut the recipe in half... two pounds is a lot but it freezes well. Just put it in a container or freezer bag and will keep up to 6 months or more.

You will need a little more water when making the thawed sauce, for some reason it seems to be a bit dry without it.

Any other questions I would be happy to answer, and NO I can't tell you which restaurant it came from.
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:15:50
John Fox

So this is Clixe's recipe. I went there once some years ago on a Sunday and they were closed that day. By the time I got a chance to go again they were closed for good. Thanks for the recipe.


My note on the bottom of the post was just inform people it is not there anymore so they don't go crazy trying to find it. Enjoy the sauce.
 
nice try though
John Fox
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:18:15
Well, I thought perhaps it was a sigh of relief that no one from Clixes would find out that you had the recipe. Can you tell me if the recipe is from a New Jersey establishment?
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:25:07
John Fox

Well, I thought perhaps it was a sigh of relief that no one from Clixes would find out that you had the recipe. Can you tell me if the recipe is from a New Jersey establishment?


Yes it is, 100% New Jersey, and has been around for at least 35 years that I know of.
 
The heavy sigh is because I will miss going there, they had the best fries.
John Fox
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:33:46
Thanks. Is it still open?
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 20:40:17
So it has been long enough not to expect  anyone to be coming around to "pssst...have a word"  if I decide to make this one afternoon as I innocently mind my own business in my New Jersey home having never had chili on a hot dog?
 
Thanks for the recipe. Like Elaine from Seinfeld with the soup recipes.
   
 
post edited by CCinNJ - 2009/09/17 20:42:42
myterry2
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 21:44:10
Sounds great...will definitely be trying the receipe this weekend.
Thanx.
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/17 23:37:45
John Fox

Thanks. Is it still open?


Sorry, no hints
 
But I bet a few owners of hot dog joints in NJ are getting calls right now... "hey, your secret recipe is on the net!"
 
BTW - the onions usually go on top of the dog, not in the bottom of the bun, but it is a bit less messy my way.
 
I would LOVE to hear from the people who go on the Hot Dog Tour in that area and see who's recipe they think it is
ScreenBear
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 00:27:56
Too hard.

   The Bear
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 01:59:30
ScreenBear

Too hard.

   The Bear


Time consuming and labor intensive - YES,..... Too hard? well, nothing worth while in life is easy.
 
That is why I do 2lbs at a time. I don't want to make this every time I want a decent hot dog.
 
I guess that is why the restaurants are so successful, nobody wants to make it at home - too hard.
 
Try it at least once, you WILL spend more than 2 hours in the kitchen easily, but it is SOOOOOO GOOD!
post edited by ocalaFL - 2009/09/18 02:08:28
Russ Jackson
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 07:12:53
This looks like a great recipe. I will try it for sure. I love it when someone breaks out one of there secret recipes. I wish someone would compile a thread or a cookbook of all the ones posted here in the past. I have several but many more exist on this site. Doesn't Uncle Vic collect them?...Russ
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 09:18:07
That sauce seems a lot like what we enjoy here in the Hudson Valley. Except that it has a lot more ginger, cinnamon, and nutmeg than is likely to be found here , and seems to lack the heat from hot pepper- and ours has yesterdays ground-up hotdogs instead of any hamburger at all. Also, the standard serving here is: bun, hotdog, mustard, sauce, onion in that order.

 I remember how much I enjoyed the hot dogs at Hot Grill when John Fox took us there on the first NJ hot dog tour - the recipe above seems a lot like what I remember from the Hot Grill. But, I'm not sure that sauce had any hamburger in it - maybe it did - it would be hard to tell without a thorough dissection .

Cheers, John  

CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 13:47:32
If you do not mind me asking what was the total volume of the original recipe (in terms of meat)? When you scaled the recipe down to two lbs. of meat did you factor down the liquid & spice proportions as equally or did you use any other factors?
leethebard
Sirloin
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 15:42:31
Hey,thanks for the recipe...will try it!!!
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 22:31:36
Sounds great! I can't wait to try.

I want to make some for my Grandmother. It's hard living near 7 texas weiner places (they were all within a 5 minute driving range) all your life and then moving an hour south where there's NONE!
ken8038
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/18 23:18:40
<<It's hard living near 7 texas weiner places (they were all within a 5 minute driving range) all your life and then moving an hour south where there's NONE! >>

I'm not sure I follow your point. Are you saying there's no Texas Wiener places near Edison?? How about J & G or Texas Weiner 1 (Downtown Plainfield) or 2 (rt 22), or Middlesex Texas Wiener? None of these are more than 15 minutes from Edison.

The two most noted areas for Texas Wieners are the area around Paterson and the area around Plainfield.
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/19 01:28:38
CCinNJ

If you do not mind me asking what was the total volume of the original recipe (in terms of meat)? When you scaled the recipe down to two lbs. of meat did you factor down the liquid & spice proportions as equally or did you use any other factors?


I remember a bunch of books on the table trying to figure out equivalent measures (yes, actual books before the internet), for all the spices, liquids, etc. so it was done according to whatever calculations needed to be made.
 
I know in baking there are rules to be followed when changing the amount of servings, I am assuming these were applied.... or something similar, I was very young then and really not interested. I can tell you however that we did do a side by side test and you could not taste the difference, nobody could.
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/19 15:42:30
If you read the rest of my message I said I want to make some for my Grandmother. She sold the house and moved down to Whiting in the Pine Barrens. She's in the middle of nowhere and just to get anywhere is at least 15 minute drive. There are two hot dog places I know, but each one is 30 minutes away or more.

For me, I live in Cranbury. Nothing down here as well. Tommy's South had opened up, but his food sucked, and he closed pretty quick. He was related to Tommy's in Elizabeth. While his sausage was among the best I've ever had and his pizza crust was fabulous, his Italian hot dogs sucked. The potatoes were wet and mushy.

ken8038

<<It's hard living near 7 texas weiner places (they were all within a 5 minute driving range) all your life and then moving an hour south where there's NONE! >>

I'm not sure I follow your point. Are you saying there's no Texas Wiener places near Edison?? How about J & G or Texas Weiner 1 (Downtown Plainfield) or 2 (rt 22), or Middlesex Texas Wiener? None of these are more than 15 minutes from Edison.

The two most noted areas for Texas Wieners are the area around Paterson and the area around Plainfield.



Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/20 13:09:12
Made the Recipe Yesterday1 It was excellent. One of the better Hot Dog Sauces I've had.

Here's a Technique I used to break up the meat. I got it from an Original Greek Hot Dog Sauce Recipe someone posted a while back. It works great.
"To get the right consistency, break up the meat in a bowl & cover the meat with water & Ice and soak for 30 minutes. 
Line a colander with 2-3 layers of Cheese Cloth, remove any ice from the bowl and drain the meat. You can make a packet with the Cheese cloth and squeeze to remove excess water. The meat in the cheese cloth makes it easy to transport to the pan." Another option is to use a large, fine-mesh sieve to drain the meat. You get perfect Coney Sauce Texture and Consistancy every time.
post edited by Foodbme - 2009/09/20 13:16:49
ken8038
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/20 13:17:12
<<If you read the rest of my message I said I want to make some for my Grandmother. She sold the house and moved down to Whiting in the Pine Barrens. >>

Sorry, I thought you were talking about Edison.

<<Tommy's South had opened up, but his food sucked, and he closed pretty quick. He was related to Tommy's in Elizabeth.>>

Yea, I went there once and I was not impressed, they didn't get it right. I wasn't surprised when it closed.
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/24 00:33:43
Any reviews? Liked it, hated it? There were lots of views and would like to see some feedback since it is an actual restaurant recipe. I have others but will not post them until I have a "yes" or "no" on this one.

If my efforts were appreciated, I would like to know. If not, then I won't bother to do so anymore. Must be the NJ attitude in me. 
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/24 10:09:45
Look 2 posts above yours.


fcbaldwin
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/24 10:27:25

I just ran across this thread yesterday. Your recipe looks really good and I plan to make it asap hopefully this weekend.
Thanks for posting it!
DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/24 12:59:31
I made this last evening down to the letter. Gulden's,Heinz,L&P.  Two thumbs down. Don't know what to make of the taste personally, but there seems to be no homology to the taste and nobody else would eat it. My spouse, who lived in NJ for a few years was expecting something like Castleberry's, my Dad who was born in NY swears up and down he never had a hot dog with a coney island style sauce, just mustard and kraut.
MikeS.
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/25 02:08:53
ocalaFL, keep 'em coming.
Spackelman
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/25 10:08:23
ocalaFL

Any reviews? Liked it, hated it? There were lots of views and would like to see some feedback since it is an actual restaurant recipe. I have others but will not post them until I have a "yes" or "no" on this one.

If my efforts were appreciated, I would like to know. If not, then I won't bother to do so anymore. Must be the NJ attitude in me. 


I grew up in So Plainfield, NJ.  The Plainfield Texas Weiner (was) is the best.  As a kid, my dad would take me there and I ate 3 or 4 texas weiners at a sitting. The hot dogs have to be shickhause brand (spell check).
 
Texas Weiner II, on route  22 west in Greenbrook, NJ and the joint on Route 28 in Dunellen, NJ are second best for the weiners.  Absolutley love the texas weiner style hot dog - we called them "death dogs" for obvious reasons...
 
The chili sauce was always a mystery for me.  Will attempt to make the sauce over the next few days.  Only hoping is comes out with the same taste as I remember.
 
Thanks for posting the receipe...
 
 
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/26 22:25:42
This may sound kooky but I am going to use this recipe as a base for cottage pie...of sorts.
 
From there...maybe for hot dogs!  
 
It is greatly appreciated.
tcrouzer
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/27 10:49:04
This morning I made this recipe and while I do like the combination of spices, it seemed a little flat to me, so I added 1 TB cider vinegar and a little Texas Pete hot sauce to zip it up for me. This is a good recipe, but I guess I'm just used to my Aiken SC Pool Hall hot dog chili which is my usual recipe and somewhat simpler.

I'm always willing to try new hot dog chili sauce recipes -- so, thanks very much for posting this one.
teresa
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/27 15:26:39
tcrouzer

This morning I made this recipe and while I do like the combination of spices, it seemed a little flat to me, so I added 1 TB cider vinegar and a little Texas Pete hot sauce to zip it up for me. This is a good recipe, but I guess I'm just used to my Aiken SC Pool Hall hot dog chili which is my usual recipe and somewhat simpler.

I'm always willing to try new hot dog chili sauce recipes -- so, thanks very much for posting this one.
teresa


I made this a while ago and added Anchor Wing Sauce instead of Catchup. Gave it the kick it needed
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/30 23:17:23
I'm beyond broke, overdue car payment, wedding to attend next week that's a 2 hour drive for me, etc. I do plan on making this soon, though, like before the end of October.

If all goes well I might think about canning equipment to make a bunch of it to save.

ocalaFL

Any reviews? Liked it, hated it? There were lots of views and would like to see some feedback since it is an actual restaurant recipe. I have others but will not post them until I have a "yes" or "no" on this one.

If my efforts were appreciated, I would like to know. If not, then I won't bother to do so anymore. Must be the NJ attitude in me. 



yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/30 23:25:51
You must not like Texas Weiner style chili then. I've lived in NJ all my life and have never heard of Castleberry's.

Searching the internet for that company, it appears to be nothing special.. just a regular chili sauce? It's made by the same company who does Bumble Bee tuna. Mass-produced stuff isn't going to be any good in my opinion.

I recall getting a pretzel once and the guy also made hot dogs. This one guy came up and ordered two chili dogs. As the guy was in the process of making them the guy came back and says "Wait a minute is that Hormel Chili?" and the guy making them said "Yes" and the other guy said "No, no, I don't want them then." --- I know what he's talking about too. I wouldn't have taken the dogs too. I understand he ordered them, but Hormel sucks, and doesn't even come close to a Texas Weiner sauce.

Your Dad swears he only ate dogs with mustard and kraut and I bet he's telling the truth. New York is different than New Jersey. Texas Weiner sauce is more of a NJ thing. In NY most people I know only eat their dogs with mustard and sometimes kraut. I believe if you go to Walter's in Mamaroneck they only serve it that way. They have their own special mustard. I believe their dogs are veal and beef. Really good.

DawnT

I made this last evening down to the letter. Gulden's,Heinz,L&P.  Two thumbs down. Don't know what to make of the taste personally, but there seems to be no homology to the taste and nobody else would eat it. My spouse, who lived in NJ for a few years was expecting something like Castleberry's, my Dad who was born in NY swears up and down he never had a hot dog with a coney island style sauce, just mustard and kraut.



yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/30 23:29:48
There's a guy in Dunellen right off Route 28 that makes a dog called the Death Dog. I don't know if he's still there. His version has all the toppings on it.

He made his own chili sauce, that was very good, although not Texas Weiner style.. more traditional chili like. Very nice guy too.. he had a deal 4 dogs and a drink for $5 with any toppings you wanted. He sold a few hundred dogs a day there. He had someone bring him supplies to his cart. On hot summer days he'll pay people to push his cart home for him.

People have tried to get him to bottle his chili sauce and sell it.

Spackelman

texas weiner style hot dog - we called them "death dogs" for obvious reasons...
 


yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/30 23:37:09
I wonder if there's a place I can go to get food analyzed.. like if I pay them $50 or $100 bucks they can tell me what's in it and get pretty close to a "recipe" of sorts. Then put together puzzle pieces from that.

Maybe Rutger's College has some kind of testing.

I'll first start by trying this recipe, though.


Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/09/30 23:57:49
yuppicide

I'm beyond broke, overdue car payment, wedding to attend next week that's a 2 hour drive for me, etc. I do plan on making this soon, though, like before the end of October.

If all goes well I might think about canning equipment to make a bunch of it to save.

ocalaFL

Any reviews? Liked it, hated it? There were lots of views and would like to see some feedback since it is an actual restaurant recipe. I have others but will not post them until I have a "yes" or "no" on this one.

If my efforts were appreciated, I would like to know. If not, then I won't bother to do so anymore. Must be the NJ attitude in me. 


 
What part of this Scenerio don't I understand???
  1. You're Broke
  2. Can't make Car Payment.
  3. Need Money rto attend a Wedding.
  4. Thinking about Canning equipment to can a product you never tried while not being able to afford the equipment and ingredients to do so?????
  5. WTF!!!!!! HUH?:???????????????
tommyeats
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 07:52:31
Foodbme

yuppicide

I'm beyond broke, overdue car payment, wedding to attend next week that's a 2 hour drive for me, etc. I do plan on making this soon, though, like before the end of October.

If all goes well I might think about canning equipment to make a bunch of it to save.

ocalaFL

Any reviews? Liked it, hated it? There were lots of views and would like to see some feedback since it is an actual restaurant recipe. I have others but will not post them until I have a "yes" or "no" on this one.

If my efforts were appreciated, I would like to know. If not, then I won't bother to do so anymore. Must be the NJ attitude in me. 


 
What part of this Scenerio don't I understand???

it seems that this person want to try the stuff, and if he likes it, make it in bulk.  oftentimes this type of thing leads to an overall savings.

so i think #4 is the answer.
post edited by tommyeats - 2009/10/01 07:54:00
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 09:46:07
It may well be that the poor folks in Westchester County, NY are deprived of Texas Hot Wiener sauce, but I can assure you that a few miles up the Hudson  River such a sauce ( no beans, no hamburger) has been delighting us hot dogggers since sometime in the early 1920s. Middletown, Walkill, Newburgh, Kingston, Saugerties, Poughkeepsie, and Troy all have great joints serving dogs with a great kind of chili sauce.

Cheers, John 
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 17:42:06
Missing one car payment screwed me all up. Now I'm working just to catch up.

Anyway, I've got money now.. going to the store to buy what I don't already have. I actually found I have most of the ingredients already.

If all tastes well I can see myself needing a large pot and a boat motor (handheld blender) soon.

Canning is the scariest part for me because I don't want any contamination.
tcrouzer
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 18:12:54
When canning meat, you really have to use a pressure canner or don't do it at all! Hot water bath boiling is only for foods high in acid and sugar such as pickles and jams. You run the risk of serious food contamination unless you pressure can this chili sauce with meat in it.

If you have never canned anything, READ, READ, READ up on the process. Get the Ball Blue Book and READ IT! Talk to your Agriculture Extension Agent for your county about canning. Canning foods the proper way involves gathering glass canning jars (that have no cracks or nicks on the rim), sterilizing said jars, keeping said jars hot until you fill them with the hot cooked food, cleaning the rims of the jars after filling, getting out air bubbles, boiling the lids, adjusting the lids after you have put them on, etc. etc. many, many steps in canning - all are crucial.

Do not call me an alarmist! I have a college undergraduate degree in Home Economics and I canned for many years. I know what I am talking about. I just want you to be safe. :o)

Teresa
tommyeats
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 18:17:39
yuppicide  
Canning is the scariest part for me because I don't want any contamination.
 
have you considered simply freezing it?  granted, that takes up freezer space, but it's fool-proof.


yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 23:08:59
Yeah, I hear ya. I did read up a little online so far and found some of the information you gave. It does scare me all the work involved.

tcrouzer

When canning meat, you really have to use a pressure canner or don't do it at all! Hot water bath boiling is only for foods high in acid and sugar such as pickles and jams. You run the risk of serious food contamination unless you pressure can this chili sauce with meat in it.

If you have never canned anything, READ, READ, READ up on the process. Get the Ball Blue Book and READ IT! Talk to your Agriculture Extension Agent for your county about canning. Canning foods the proper way involves gathering glass canning jars (that have no cracks or nicks on the rim), sterilizing said jars, keeping said jars hot until you fill them with the hot cooked food, cleaning the rims of the jars after filling, getting out air bubbles, boiling the lids, adjusting the lids after you have put them on, etc. etc. many, many steps in canning - all are crucial.

Do not call me an alarmist! I have a college undergraduate degree in Home Economics and I canned for many years. I know what I am talking about. I just want you to be safe. :o)

Teresa



yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/01 23:14:07
.. because if I put them in jars I could decorate them nicely for a Christmas gift.

My grandmother made homemade apple sauce last year from a deceased relatives way old recipe. They spent the whole day doing things between two people (maybe three). They put on decorative ribbon and stuff on the top, made nice little recipe cards on the computer and tied them with twine.

tommyeats

yuppicide  
Canning is the scariest part for me because I don't want any contamination.
 
have you considered simply freezing it?  granted, that takes up freezer space, but it's fool-proof.



Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/02 00:02:35
yuppicide

Missing one car payment screwed me all up. Now I'm working just to catch up.

Anyway, I've got money now.. going to the store to buy what I don't already have. I actually found I have most of the ingredients already.

If all tastes well I can see myself needing a large pot and a boat motor (handheld blender) soon.

Canning is the scariest part for me because I don't want any contamination.


Yuppicide,
It's obvious you don't have a clue about canning meat products. I suggest you forgetaboutit before you kill someone!
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/02 12:49:24
No, I do have some clue about canning. I've read about a pressure and about acidity. Just still scares me to do it.

If this recipe is (or if we find one) good enough, maybe I can find a commercial service to do it for me and sell. I know Rutger's University has some kind of food lab and commercial kitchens. You can pay them to make the product for you or I think you can rent out the kitchen.
DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/02 13:16:05
Think it might be a very wise idea to scale the recipe down to half and make up a test batch and have a taste with some other opinions. I dumped nearly 2lbs that's been sitting in the fridge for the past week in a plastic bag last evening for today's trash. Nobody would eat this concoction.  None of us ever tasted a sauce like this b4. To those of us that have never had a NJ Texas Weiner, this is just a very strange tasting meat sauce.
 
Not knocking it, I'm sure there's plenty of things we grew up eating here that would put a grimace on your face. I'm sure that someone from the heartland would have either a puzzled look or spit out the first taste of my Picadillo or the heavily paprika laced tomato based sauce that we put on our Fritas.
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/02 17:37:29
Got ya, Dawn. I'm going to go all the way and try it since I alredy bought the meat. I had 99% of the spices already.

You know I only have one other question regarding this recipe.. you say 2 8oz cans of tomato paste.. tomato paste comes in 6 or 12 ounce cans. Tomato sauce however comes in 8 ounce cans..

Did you mean tomato sauce?
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/02 19:35:55
yuppicide

Got ya, Dawn. I'm going to go all the way and try it since I alredy bought the meat. I had 99% of the spices already.

You know I only have one other question regarding this recipe.. you say 2 8oz cans of tomato paste.. tomato paste comes in 6 or 12 ounce cans. Tomato sauce however comes in 8 ounce cans..

Did you mean tomato sauce?

 
 
I made it with a 6 oz and a 12 oz can of Tomato PASTE and it was the right consistancy.
 
Here's your TIP OF THE WEEK!
Using a can opener, open BOTH ENDS of the can. Use the lid from one end as a plunger and push the paste out the other end. Comes out slick as a whistle! Just make sure you account for both ends of the can!

yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/02 19:37:38
It's simmering on the stove now. I spent about 30 minutes making everything (not 2 hours as noted). I went with Tomato Sauce since it's what I already bought and it was 8 ounces. Next time I'll try paste.

Initial reaction.. while mixing spices it did kind of smell like a Texas Weiner.

After combining everything in a pot I tasted it. It's a little tangy (maybe because I used whatever ketchup was cheap.. ie: Shoprite brand.. and maybe because using tomato sauce).

After letting it sit for a few minutes, the flavors already are starting to meld together. The tangyness is gone. I think as it goes on and cooks down it'll get thicker and tastier.

I also tried it on some bread. The bread cuts the flavor down a bit and it's actually quite nice.

I feel it's "missing something" to make it just like the Texas Weiner sauces I am used to. It could be a missing ingredient or a wrong amount. I doubt I'll ever be able to put my finger on it. That's not to say this sauce is bad.. I love it.

Only thing is this sauce isn't really the same color as what I am used to. The Texas Weiners I know are more brown colored.

Would I make it again? In a heartbeat!
yuppicide
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/03 22:14:24
After cooking it I simmered it for awhile longer. It did cook down quite a bit and was almost a consistency that Dawn might have enjoyed more (not as much mush) but she might still not have liked the flavor. I do understand where she's coming from with the whole mix-match of flavors.

I still liked it, though and while I feel it's a very good "all way way" sauce, I wouldn't call it "Texas Weiner" sauce totally.
pruiksma
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/05 09:28:19
This morning for some reason I googled "Clixes" restaurant and found this site.   I'm the son of the original owner and worked at the family restaurant from 1964 until 1991 when I left to do something different.  I saw the recipe that was posted and credited to Clixes secret sauce.  I can tell you that the recipe that was posted is not close to the actual recipe.  I have it in my possession.  Of the other two brothers who were there when the restaurant closed one has passed away last year.  I'm sure his spouse has the recipe and my other brother has it but it is not the one listed on this site.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob Pruiksma
Westcliffe,Co.
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/17 01:37:03
Just to clear things up, I did not state it was Clixe's, I simply said it was from a well known restaurant. Another poster thought it was Clixe's because I mentioned it has been closed.

Sad to know I can't go there anymore. Sorry to hear about your Dad and Brother passing away.
pacman
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/17 10:15:03
tcrouzer,

A question regarding canning.  Especially canning meats and needing a pressure canner.   I am not trying to "argue" with the experts or science behind this, I an just curious.

My mom and her aunts canned meats for years.  I know my aunts did not have pressure canners they had been doing this since the early part of the 20th century.  They were both born in the late 1800's.   Mom had 2 pressure cookers over the years (blew both of them up) so I know she canned after the last one for many years   Anyhow, we have all survived. 

I know when my mom did venison, and I asked her to be sure, she cooked it for at least 3 hours.    So, does the issue come not so much from needing the pressure canner or from the fact people don't cook it long enough?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Dan

Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/17 11:18:01
pacman

tcrouzer,

A question regarding canning.  Especially canning meats and needing a pressure canner.   I am not trying to "argue" with the experts or science behind this, I an just curious.

My mom and her aunts canned meats for years.  I know my aunts did not have pressure canners they had been doing this since the early part of the 20th century.  They were both born in the late 1800's.   Mom had 2 pressure cookers over the years (blew both of them up) so I know she canned after the last one for many years   Anyhow, we have all survived. 

I know when my mom did venison, and I asked her to be sure, she cooked it for at least 3 hours.    So, does the issue come not so much from needing the pressure canner or from the fact people don't cook it long enough?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Dan

Google has the answer for EVERYTHING!

http://www.foodsaving.com/canning_guide/
 
I Googled Food Science as well as Canning Meat and got a TON of info!
 
 
pacman
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2009/10/26 16:04:35
Foodbme,

I did use the Google link you mentioned.  But, after a lot of reading.  I don't know if it's a case of "they didn't answer my question" or "I missed the answer".     I know people who have canned meats without a pressure canner and people who have eaten those canned meats for YEARS (me included) with no ill effects.  

So, I'm trying to figure out what my Mom, Aunts, Grand Parents & Great Aunts, did differently, or correctly or whatever that nothing ever happened to any of us?


flea
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/02/01 19:15:47
fcbaldwin

I just ran across this thread yesterday. Your recipe looks really good and I plan to make it asap hopefully this weekend.
Thanks for posting it!


Just came across you post about the Kenny's sauce. Believe it or not there is still one in VA. Lynchburg still has a Kenny's and the sauce. Unfortuantely I live in CO and am craving that sauce from childhood.
tcrouzer
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/02/01 20:46:49
Pacman, I hear what you are saying and I have heard tales of people canning meats and low acid vegetables like green beans in a boiling water bath for hours - and they lived to tell about it! Yes, it was done for many years. Was it successful sometimes, yes. Did people sometimes get sick and maybe even die because of food home canned like this - probably. We just don't hear about those unfortunate incidents.

Modern medicine and modern food processing methods have improved our chances when home canning. Can you find anyone today who would recommend boiling water bath canning for meats, soups, and low acid vegetables and fruits - I bet not. So play it safe!
ocalaFL
Junior Burger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/04/13 19:32:12
post edited by ocalaFL - 2010/04/13 19:33:42

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tdj_tx
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/10 16:57:04
tcrouzer

Pacman, I hear what you are saying and I have heard tales of people canning meats and low acid vegetables like green beans in a boiling water bath for hours - and they lived to tell about it! Yes, it was done for many years. Was it successful sometimes, yes. Did people sometimes get sick and maybe even die because of food home canned like this - probably. We just don't hear about those unfortunate incidents.

Modern medicine and modern food processing methods have improved our chances when home canning. Can you find anyone today who would recommend boiling water bath canning for meats, soups, and low acid vegetables and fruits - I bet not. So play it safe!


Actually you want to use a pressure cooker for canning meats and low acid vegetables.
tdj_tx
Cheeseburger
Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/11 00:37:22
My recent issue of Cook's Country magazine included a recipe for a "North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce". It sounded good, although I have never had a North Jersey Texas wiener. I figured I'd give it a try and it was pretty good. Here's the recipe along with a link to a video of me making it.

"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
 
1 tbsp vegetable oil
1 lb 85% lean ground beef
1 onion, chopped fine
3 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp brown sugar
1/4 tsp ground allspice
2 c chili sauce
1 c water
1/4 c hot sauce (Frank's Redhot is recommended)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce
2 tbsp yellow mustard
 
1. Heat oil in large skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering.
Add beef and onion and cook until beef is no longer pink, about 5 minutes.
Stir in tomato paste, chili powder, brown sugar, and allspice and cook until
paste begins to darken, about 2 minutes. Add chili sauce and water and bring to boil.
Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until mixture is thickened, about 7 minutes.
 
2. Transfer half of mixture to a food processor and process until
coarsely ground; return to skillet. Stir in hot sauce, worcestershire, and mustard.
Serve. (Sauce can be refrigerated in airtight container for 3 days.) Makes about 3 cups.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65gdL6CrNw
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