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TJ Jackson
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Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 11:33 AM
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The wife and I will be visiting NYC in the next month or so -- finally :-)

I think I pretty much know where I want to eat - Difara, Luger's, Katz's, etc etc - so really what I am looking for here is where to stay.....you can feel free to suggest places to eat, but I'm really pretty rock-solid set on where we'll eat.

so

-coming into the area by car, so it's available for our use, but my understanding is it will be better to use public transportation. 

-staying for 2-3 days, probably a sat-sun-(plus maybe)mon combination

-two of our stops will be Luger's and DiFara, both in Brooklyn, so I am guessing it'd be best to be over in that direction.  If I have this wrong, tell me so, and give me a better alternative, please

-I am looking for a simple inexpensive place.  Nothing fancy.  That said, the higher priority is that it be very clean, and in a safe-looking neighborhood.    Both requirements are for the wife.

-room has to be designated nonsmoking and no pets - wife has asthma and past occupants smoking or with pets will cause a problem

-Free parking for our car at said hotel if at all possible.

-accessible to public transportation.  Wife does not like busses, would prefer rail of some kind if at all possible.  Taxi is OK but I am guessing that will get real expensive real quick

-if we have to stay further out from the city to get these things, thats an acceptable exchange

-yeah, my wife is picky.  Love means I bend to accomodate her :-).  It's her trip too :-)

I'll monitor this thread closely, so any help you can offer will be read and appreciated

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 11:37 AM
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TJ

If you have a car, you might be better off staying in New Jersey preferably close to an area with train access. The Iselin-Metropark
New Jersey transit stop has several hotels nearby- I can't imagine they would charge for parking- but I really can't tell you which specific hotel to go to.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 2:25 PM
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THe free parking thing is pretty much ba deal breaker for anything in Manhattan or Brooklyn.

An option to ponder is a hotel near Newark Airport. Most have shuttles to the airport where you can catch airtrain to NJ transit train into Penn Station. Hotels will be cheaper and train trip is easy. Hotel will not be near anything, but cheaper.

If you are staying on weekend you could drive in and find a cheap garage...like the one on Essex street and park all day for $20 and take subway from there.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 2:59 PM
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Within the last few years, a lot of brand new hotels have sprung up in Queens and Brooklyn, reasonably near to public transportation. Many have free parking. Most are close to subway lines. The rack rates are about $200 per night, but $100- $130 are the "street price", before taxes. I have not had to place anyone in a hotel in years. I usually get them put up at a relative's place, so can't give any recommendations from first hand experience. Search for areas such as Brooklyn and Long Island City.

While you will be able to drive to places with parking and without nearby public transportation, the best thing a visitor can do is buy a Unlimited MetroCard for subway and local bus transportation at subway station vending machines and select retailers:
http://www.mta.info/metrocard/mcgtreng.htm#unlimited

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 3:19 PM
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Courtyard by Marriott  Jersey City Newport
 
This is an excellent hotel choice with great transport to NYC via PATH rail service------------check out whole JC Newport area------------------Westin----Hyatt------------etc.. Safe,quiet and convenient to NYC----all of these are also set in stone conditions of the spouse------------give the area an on-line looksee.
 
Russ

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 4:18 PM
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Welcome to the big apple. DiFara is great for a couple of their slices, but its far away from Lugers. And Lugers quite frankly is not the same. The old world feel is there but the steaks/sides seem to be off.  Alternatively, the number one pizza at the moment is Keste on Bleeker Street, its actually accross the street from maybe the most famous pizza in nyc, Johns. I would also recommend Wolfgangs for steak. Wolfgagng was a waiter at Lugers for 40 years. They are actually doing a better job or atleast equivelant to when Lugers was at the top of their game. Keste and Wolfgangs are also in reasonable distance from one another. Keste is West Village and Wolfgang is in Tribeca (another location is in midtown but go to Tribeca). You can stay at the Soho Grand Hotel and be close to both places.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 4:20 PM
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Joes on 6th Ave/Bleeker is best slice other than DiFara

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 4:37 PM
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I always found the upper Bronx to have the best pizza - but that goes back to the 1960s.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 5:01 PM
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 5:06 PM
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porkbeaks





There is such a beast as Manhattan chili??????

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 5:08 PM
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Hi TJ,
First hubby and I are born and raised native New Yorkers who are now living in the Midwest, so we have open minds all'round...
The last time we visited out east, with the kiddos in tow, we stayed at the Sheraton in Weehawken, NJ.
IT was a great deal!
You are steps away from the ferry that takes you to Manhattan,
and there was a free breakfast.
We also had a room with an amazing view of Manhattan.
That being said-you will still be cabbing it for Luger's but really it's just over the bridge...
As long as you remember to pack your sense of humor you will have a great time.

Last March my colleg age daughter and I also had an amazing meal at Bar Americain, so I'd recco that as well as the other places on your list.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 5:36 PM
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My advice for a short, 2 or 3 day trip to NYC is to get a room in the city, rather than spending 2 to 3 hours a day commuting to and from the city. Park the car and take the train and a cab or two.
Look on travel websites for deals. Some of my favorites are travelzoo and kayak.
http://www.kayak.com/dealssearch_d_NewYork
http://hotels.travelzoo.com/new-york-hotels/

Have fun!

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 5:41 PM
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TonyGuns


Joes on 6th Ave/Bleeker is best slice other than DiFara




I just had a slice last weekend as my wife tried to decide where we were going to eat dinner. It is still good!

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 6:06 PM
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OK many posts that derailed the thread were removed.  If you folks can't behave and not do these dumb personal attack posts we can easily cancel your posting priviliges. Keep your comments polite and contribute to the question without the smart-ass answers or your probation will be revoked.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 6:16 PM
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I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the hotels in New Jersey that are closer into the city  ie Newark, Jersey City and Weehawken, do charge for parking. You may want to check with these hotels first prior to booking.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 6:20 PM
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Courtyard by Marriott  Jersey City Newport
 
This is an excellent hotel choice with great transport to NYC via PATH rail service------------check out whole JC Newport area------------------Westin----Hyatt------------etc.. Safe,quiet and convenient to NYC----all of these are also set in stone conditions of the spouse------------give the area an on-line looksee.
 
Russ

Cheap sales tax (3.5%) in the UEZ zone as well with Newport Mall right there. A 2 minute Light rail trip to Hoboken for a great Sunday brunch or cocktail hour.
 
  http://www.amandasrestaurant.com/
 
 
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 6:31 PM
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                                                                                                                                                                                                   There is a Howard Johnson's in Brooklyn    4 miles away from Luger.  They do have free parking and  free breakfast  and the rate is about 130.00 per night.  The money that you save  by staying here  makes a cab ride to Luger very affordable.  There is  public transportation into the city  just a couple of blocks away. 


I hope this helps you and do go to Luger.....................it is a great experience and the food is  wonderful.  We were there a couple of years ago  and it is  still terrific as far as I am concerned.



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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 6:49 PM
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For some reason I could not edit my post again     It is a Howard Johnsons Motel.                                            
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 7:03 PM
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If you do decide to stay in New Jersey, remember that you don't have to feed parking meters on Sunday. If you are up and out early enough on Sunday morning, we've found there's plenty of parking in quite a few downtown neighborhoods for brunch in Tribeca or SoHo or the LES. (Chinatown being the exception, avoid driving in Chinatown on a Sunday). It's easier to park in SoHo than in Hoboken on a Sunday morning especially. And there aren't any restaurants in Hoboken or JC that are better than you can find in NYC.
As for Newport Mall. . . .well coming from Ohio. . .unh, you don't need me to say anything, really.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 7:32 PM
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TJ, allow me to make the following suggestion:

 

 

HAMPTON INN MANHATTAN-SOHO 
 

I had some unfounded reservations at staying at the Soho location of this chain hotel last spring but was pleasantly surprised with the hotel's staff, decor, location, convenience and rather upscale albeit diminuative presence. I'm not necessarily a big Hampton Inn fan but Quikbook specifically recommended this location when I was looking at a place to stay in lower Manahattan and you'd be hard-pressed to find a better value than the $ 125 Quikbook price we paid. 
 
It clearly was a former European-style hotel and has a surprising boutique feel for a Hampton Inn. In addition, it's located literally a block away from the Holland Tunnel, offers plenty of free overnight/weekend street parking and or paid lot parking and is completely walkable to Greenwich Village, Lower East Side, Chinatown, Little Italy and the Brooklyn Bridge -- and all the epicurean destinations those locales offer. (In fact we did this weekend walking / noshing tour last May.)
 
I couldn't recommend more.
 
 
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 7:37 PM
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nixienox


If you do decide to stay in New Jersey, remember that you don't have to feed parking meters on Sunday. If you are up and out early enough on Sunday morning, we've found there's plenty of parking in quite a few downtown neighborhoods for brunch in Tribeca or SoHo or the LES. (Chinatown being the exception, avoid driving in Chinatown on a Sunday). It's easier to park in SoHo than in Hoboken on a Sunday morning especially. And there aren't any restaurants in Hoboken or JC that are better than you can find in NYC.
As for Newport Mall. . . .well coming from Ohio. . .unh, you don't need me to say anything, really.


The Flamingo Restaurant is in the neighborhood!!! Now that is still some trip.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 8:52 PM
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i95, I watched them build that Hampton Inn from the ground up around 2007-8. A few of that new crop of hotels I wrote about earlier were also built in Manhattan. The rack rate for that Hampton Inn is $349, but travel site scuttlebutt indicates they are still selling for about $129 if the town is not sold out. Call the front desk and see if they will give you that rate if you can't find it online.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Fri, 10/23/09 9:00 PM
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David_NYC


i95, I watched them build that Hampton Inn from the ground up around 2007-8.


Wow. Due to it being so very different than the track, suburban-built Hampton Inns, I only presumed that it was a renovation. Cool. Again, at $ 125-129, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better YET CLEAN / CONVENIENT / and SEMI-UPSCALE hotel bargain in NYC.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Sat, 10/24/09 12:23 PM
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Addendum to my post above about those new hotels in Brooklyn and Queens: most took out a franchise, so will have familiar names. However, check out online reviews. I just spent some time laughing out loud at the reviews on Tripadvisor about Brooklyn hotels. Many, many reviews were written by people giving a hometown location of Brooklyn, NY. It was obvious they were staying there for horizontal activity. The reviews were not as favorable as I thought they would be.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Sat, 10/24/09 1:52 PM
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Horizontal activity!
 
Those kooky people practicing the levitation for  magic shows in Brooklyn!
 
Jersey City hotels-motels-holiday inns say what...used to be all about Tonnelle Ave. and at the rate of $17 at the Spinning Wheel or Starlite maybe a three hour block of time. For a nap or something.
 
 

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Sun, 10/25/09 1:12 AM
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TJ, PP and I stay at a Holiday Inn in North Bergen. 2 years ago they had free parking and a lot of it.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Mon, 11/16/09 1:42 AM
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The trip commences this coming weekend

My stops - nothing new to any veteran Roadfooder, just a list of places I have always wanted to go, with plenty more I had to eliminate due to limited time

Patsy's in Harlem
DiFara
Katz's
Yonah Schimmels (right near katz's)
Peter Luger's
White Manna Hackensack
Rutt's Hut
Ess-a-Bagel
Papaya King
and Random street noshing - hopefully some 5 for 1$ dumplings

and then, not in NYC but to finish out the trip

Pepe's New Haven
G&M Restaurant Baltimore MD
Faidleys Baltimore MD

and on the way home

Country Kitchen in WV for Pepperoni rolls

I found decent accomodations with free parking for under 60/night in Jersey City, which looks to be reasonably close to Manhattan.  I looked at everyone's recommendations, and indeed, free parking was very hard to find

This was helpful in finding my second pizza stop (in addition to DiFaras): http://slice.seriouseats....-what-would-it-be.html
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Mon, 11/16/09 4:08 AM
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Try the Hotel Belnord. It's not luxurious, but there's free on street parking and it's just around the corner from Barney Greengrass and the Popover Cafe on Amsterdam.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Mon, 11/16/09 11:42 PM
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TJ looks like a great list of places to eat. Let us know how you like the hotel in Jersey City. I am planning a NYC trip for 2010. I have often wondered about the hotels outside the city near public transportation. Have fun!

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Tue, 11/17/09 6:17 PM

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Tue, 11/17/09 6:22 PM
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Have fun, TJ.  I applaud your inclusion of Yonah Schimmel's with the Katz's visit.  It's very close, and certainly a cultural relic/landmark.

I hope to get some advice from you on Cincinnati eats when I go next year.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Tue, 11/17/09 7:19 PM
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TJ Jackson


This also was helpful
http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2009/11/sallys-or-frank-pepes-sallys-apizza-new-haven-ct-connecticut.html


TJ, I feel like you are cheating on us here at RF
 
Sounds like you will be driving East on I-80.  If you start getting hungry before you hit NJ, try the White Haven Family Diner for a monster burger.  http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/tm.aspx?m=524931
 
Think about Charlies Pool Room on the way home via baltimore.
 
Have fun!

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 10:45 AM
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TJ,

I hope the DiFara experience lives up to your expectations, though I fear that it won't.  When we went on our group tour, the people that were happiest were the folks who got a slice from a whole pizza.  Slices at DiFara's are now 5 bucks a throw - which is expensive, even by NY standards.  I am not trying to talk you out of it - I know that you have had your mind made up on this since you started the thread - but, you should be aware.  I am not one of the bashers - but, on my one and only trip, I couldn't see what the hype was all about.

Jersey City will also give you great access to the Statue of Liberty (Liberty State Park), should you choose to make that part of your trip.  I don't recall if you said that you were bringing the family with you, but I just kind of assumed that you would.  As such, and I mean this in all seriousness - be careful.  Jersey City has some very nice "re-developed" neighborhoods - but, it also has some absolute slum areas where you would not want to be caught walking the streets late at night by yourself.  $60 is well below the average room rate for this area, and your "free" parking may likely be unsecured.  Like I said, just be careful.

As for your Lower East Side trip (Katz's and Yonah Schimmel's), here are a couple of notes:

In between the two places is also Russ and Daughters, which specializes in traditional Jewish "appetizing."  It is worth the poke inside the door - even if you do not choose to purchase anything.  At Yonah Schimmel's, avoid the temptation to get one of the sweet (fruit?) knishes and stick to the savory.  Your best bets are the potato and the kasha (easily the best kasha knish I have ever eaten).  They will warm them for you if you want to eat them on the go.  In this same area, you are in convenient, easy, and safe walking distance to other LES popular destinations that have been discussed here frequently - Doughnut Plant, Kossar's Bialys, The Pickle Guys, and (especially if you do have the kids with you) Economy Candy.

As for your dumpling hunt, you can also walk from this area to/through Chinatown and find Vanessa's Dumplings (or Dumpling House...I forget - but, Vanessa's is the key).  I went there with Billyboy and Lexi the last time I was in the city, and they were excellent - and cheap.  Also get the sesame bread (pancake?) - delicious.  Most folks on Yelp seem to like the place - especially if you weed through the comments of what the people who DON'T like the place are complaining about.

Enjoy NYC.  This is a great time of year to visit.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 11:03 AM
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TJ, just to piggyback a bit on what TTM said, some of the Lower East Side spots are closed on Saturdays.  I know for sure that The Pickle Guys and Kossar's Bialys are both closed on Saturdays.  Not sure about Yonah Schimmel's or Katz's, but as the Roadfood credo goes, "Call Ahead!".  Happy travels and happy eating!!

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 11:10 AM
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TJ,

I hope the DiFara experience lives up to your expectations, though I fear that it won't.  When we went on our group tour, the people that were happiest were the folks who got a slice from a whole pizza.  Slices at DiFara's are now 5 bucks a throw - which is expensive, even by NY standards.  I am not trying to talk you out of it - I know that you have had your mind made up on this since you started the thread - but, you should be aware.  I am not one of the bashers - but, on my one and only trip, I couldn't see what the hype was all about.
 




I AM a fan of DiFara's, but confess that it has much to do with the place and the man as it does the pizza. If I was asked for advice for someone in town for a short stay, I don't think I would include it. It is just not that much better than other offerings to merit the trip, the time you may wait, and the cost. Joe's on Carmine Street just off Bleeker is in a food rich neighborhood...near places like John's Pizza, Faiccos, Murray's Cheese, Porto Rico coffee and is not that far behind DiFara in the quality of its offerings. 


Just another county heard from.


Enjoy your visit TJ!

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 11:24 AM
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As always, all the input is appreciated.  Thanks all :-)

A quick clarification on the stop at DiFara

I have noted that DiFara's days of operation have shrunk at least twice and prices have gone up several times, and Dom himself is quite old and does not seem to be teaching an heir apparent

As such, it is my feeling that if one waits much longer, Dom may retire altogether and the opportunity to eat his pizza will be lost.  DiFara may be open, but without Dom, it will probably no longer be the pizza mecca that it is seen as by many right now.

So....the one absolute must stop for me is DiFara.  Over all other destinations.

I believe I will have a shot to try some of the other places on a return trip sometime in the future.  I dont believe I will get that opportunity with DiFara.
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 12:18 PM
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TJ Jackson


As always, all the input is appreciated.  Thanks all :-)

A quick clarification on the stop at DiFara

I have noted that DiFara's days of operation have shrunk at least twice and prices have gone up several times, and Dom himself is quite old and does not seem to be teaching an heir apparent

As such, it is my feeling that if one waits much longer, Dom may retire altogether and the opportunity to eat his pizza will be lost.  DiFara may be open, but without Dom, it will probably no longer be the pizza mecca that it is seen as by many right now.

So....the one absolute must stop for me is DiFara.  Over all other destinations.

I believe I will have a shot to try some of the other places on a return trip sometime in the future.  I dont believe I will get that opportunity with DiFara.
 


TJ...sounds like you are going for the right reasons. I think folks who come away disappointed are those who judge the place solely by the pizza. I think it is great, but tastes vary, so some may feel otherwise, but I think there is no arguing the place is unique because of who and how it is run. 


Again, have a great time!



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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 12:45 PM
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Tony Bad


TJ Jackson


As always, all the input is appreciated.  Thanks all :-)

A quick clarification on the stop at DiFara

I have noted that DiFara's days of operation have shrunk at least twice and prices have gone up several times, and Dom himself is quite old and does not seem to be teaching an heir apparent

As such, it is my feeling that if one waits much longer, Dom may retire altogether and the opportunity to eat his pizza will be lost.  DiFara may be open, but without Dom, it will probably no longer be the pizza mecca that it is seen as by many right now.

So....the one absolute must stop for me is DiFara.  Over all other destinations.

I believe I will have a shot to try some of the other places on a return trip sometime in the future.  I dont believe I will get that opportunity with DiFara.
 


TJ...sounds like you are going for the right reasons. I think folks who come away disappointed are those who judge the place solely by the pizza. I think it is great, but tastes vary, so some may feel otherwise, but I think there is no arguing the place is unique because of who and how it is run. 


Let me add that I, too, think you are going there for the right reasons - and, perhaps, with the right expectations in mind. The man is truly a master at what he does.  I only hope that I am so motivated to get up and go to work - and strive for perfection - the way he does, at his age.

It is not often that I like to admit when wanderingjew is right - Lord knows we don't need the ego swell around here - but, as for DiFara's, I believe that he is.  He mentioned to me that before DiFara's became "known," it was just the local pizza joint for the Midwood section of Brooklyn - a place where (mostly) local residents, specific to that predominantly Hassidic section of Brooklyn would go for a slice or two.  Then....his place became famous. It is still essentially the same place it was when he was just the local slice guy - with the exception that demand has spiked beyond imagination.

It is definitely an experience....and I still do hope that it lives up to your expectations.

As for your question about a second slice, let me also throw my hat into the ring for L&M Spumoni Gardens, which is also in Brooklyn, but all the way across town.  That is where you can find the quintessential square (Sicilian) slice - and fabulous spumoni!  Normally, this is a place I would recommend for summer dining, as they have a great outdoor seating area, but the food is worthwhile, even if one must eat indoors!

billyboy


TJ, just to piggyback a bit on what TTM said, some of the Lower East Side spots are closed on Saturdays.  I know for sure that The Pickle Guys and Kossar's Bialys are both closed on Saturdays.  Not sure about Yonah Schimmel's or Katz's, but as the Roadfood credo goes, "Call Ahead!".  Happy travels and happy eating!!


Katz's, for sure, is not closed on Saturday.  They are not Kosher - merely "Kosher-style" or "Jewish-style."  I believe the same is true for Yonah Schimmel's, but I am less confident than Katz's.

Besides, why would you expect that I WOULDN'T recommend someone go to a closed restaurant?

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 12:50 PM
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TTM, knew I could count on you, buddy!! 

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 1:23 PM
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I checked the hours on every place I intend to go, and in some cases, also made phone calls to ensure they were going to be open

You know, it might be lucrative to start up a company offerring "Traveling-Man" insurance that pays out only when you get traveling-manned

Or maybe not

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 7:03 PM
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You know, it might be lucrative to start up a company offerring "Traveling-Man" insurance that pays out only when you get traveling-manned


What would TTM's premium and deductible be on that poilcy?

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 8:19 PM
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EatingTheRoad

What would TTM's premium and deductible be on that poilcy?

TTM carries excessive risk, and would be declared ineligible for coverage


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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 8:58 PM
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The Travelin Man


It is not often that I like to admit when wanderingjew is right - Lord knows we don't need the ego swell around here -



Here's a quote from a younger. less cynical and less jaded Travelin Man prior to succumbing to the influences of Bruce Bilmes and Davydd  back on January 23, 2005 on the "what makes a good roadfood town" thread-


I have to tell you, wanderingjew is more often right than wrong. He tries, as do I, to keep a little focus as to what this web site has some foundations in. As he said, you will find the definition of "roadfood" right on the home page, but that seems to matter less and less around here lately.

I should never let you live this down!





but, as for DiFara's, I believe that he is.  He mentioned to me that before DiFara's became "known," it was just the local pizza joint for the Midwood section of Brooklyn - a place where (mostly) local residents, specific to that predominantly Hassidic section of Brooklyn would go for a slice or two.  Then....his place became famous. It is still essentially the same place it was when he was just the local slice guy - with the exception that demand has spiked beyond imagination.

It is definitely an experience....and I still do hope that it lives up to your expectations.
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Travelin Man
is right I used to live 6 blocks away from DiFara's , back in the late 80's and even throught he 90's it was just the local pizza joint, and it served in my opinion the best Sicilian Slice I've ever had. The last two times I've been back all within the last 4 years, was after it gained the notoriety that it has now. and I thought both times the pizza was lacking, not that it wasn't good, it just wasn't nearly as good as it used to be. Even after a good 5 years absence and a return visit back in 1997- it was as good as ever but was still "just the local pizza place" at that particular time.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/18/09 10:44 PM
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TJ, I would go DiFara to watch the man work. Even if you don't have the time to wait for the slice, the trip will still be worthwhile. You are on vacation, not trying to grab a bite to eat between errands.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 2:45 PM
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Mamoun's Falafel...on Macdougal Steet...

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 3:13 PM
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Mamoun's Falafel...on Macdougal Steet...





Good stuff!  One of my favorites. 

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 6:45 PM
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Since I did not cover any ground that has not been extensively explored by Roadfooders before me, I will just cover the highlights of the trip.  Every meal was at least good - not a dud among the bunch (unless you count the free continental breakfasts at the hotels, but hey, free and quick is good too)

1) I was very, very happy to finally get to The Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, and Ground Zero.  Ground Zero is very covered up now, 20-30 foot high fences covered in tarps, ergo no decent views from the street level, though I assume if you know enough about the surrounding tall buildings, you could find a place to get a look

2) the wife bowed out late, so a couple of college buddies took my up on the invite to ride along in her stead

3) Did not get to go nearly every place I wanted to - Patsy's and Yonah Schmimmels and etc were skipped due to full bellies or not enough time or other hindrances.

4) Difara
was very good, not life changing, and it was indeed about watching the man work than eating the pie.  Which was good, because none of my companions wanted to deal with the crush up at the counter, and thats EXACTLY where I wanted to be.  So it worked out.  Liked the (thin) round pie MUCH better than the (thick) squares, which are par baked in advance and finished off at the time of ordering.   Very little space to sit and eat, so if you go there when it unsuitable to do a carryout, take at least 2 people with you so that you can monitor the counter and ensure your pies dont get missed, and the other two can simply grab the next available table, and then sit down and wait thereafter.  One other thing - yes, the whole pies are a better value than the slices, but plan to wait a whole lot longer if you want a whole pie.  They know they're making more money on slices, and it was clear from watching that they were trying to spend as much time on generating pizza for slices as they could.  besides, just to try them out, you don't need a whole pie - a slice aiece will do,and you'll get out of the queue there a lot earlier, and have time and belly space to check out some other great pizzeria - maybe Lucalis. 

5) Peter Luger's
was excellent albeit quite expensive - nearly 250 incl tip for the 3 of us with no adult beverages.  The steaks met my extremely high expectations, and the bread basket was just outstanding, but the burger - oh man, the burger exceeded them.  I had heard that they frequently overcook their burger, and indeed, my MR came out more M to MW.  Despite that, it was easily the very best burger I have ever eaten, hands down.  The beef flavor was intense, and it was juicy as all get out.  The wife still wants to visit NYC with the kids when they are older, and I will take her here.  She will get the steak, but I will HAPPILY settle for the far, far less expensive burger.  Hell, I may get two of them. Yes, I do know it's a lunch-only item :-)  Oh, and we got in fine right at opening with no reservations, and casual dress.

6) Katz's
The environment was everything I expected it to be, but the pastrami sandwich did not meet my high expectations.  There was not very much of it, maybe a third of what i see on sandwiches others have taken a picture of, and it was good but not great.  Again, it was a good meal, but my expectations were set very, very high from reading the experiences of others.  I did have the cel-ray with the sandwich - tasted like ginger ale, smelled like celery.  Interesting.  Oh, and we also picked up a 5$ halal combo platter to go with this, just to sample some classic ny street meat.  Also good but not great.

7) Frank Pepe's   ---(*)---BEST STOP OF THE TRIP---(*)---
Side trip to New Haven on Monday.  We got there about a half hour before they opened, and walked the length of Wooster, marveling at how many italian eateries thrive on this short street.  Naturally, several folks told me to go to Sally's instead of Pepe's, but with Sally's closed on Monday the choice was easy.  We ordered a white clam (naturally), a plain pie with mozzerella, and a bacon pie.  These three pies now occupy the number 1, 2, and 3 positions in the list of best pizzas I have ever eaten.  The crust in particular was amazingly good, with excellent leopard-spotting on the underside.  My favorite was the white clam, although the larger pieces of clam were rubbery and so I removed them from the many slices I ate.  My companions marveled at the bacon pie, as every bacon pie they have ever ordered has little bits of bacon all over it - whereas this was full 4' whole slices of very good bacon all over this pie.  I had everyone order birch beer as their beverage, and everyone liked that as well.  And to top it off, the prices were not much higher (clam excepted) than far far lesser pizzas to be found in my own area.  Great value.  If I am anywhere near this area again, this will be an absolute must-stop, even though I'd love to also make a stop at Sally's, Modern, etc.

8) G&M and Faidleys
One of my bufddies just absolutely loves seafood, and so i modified my original plan to include a stop for dinner in Baltimore on the last part of the trip.  Ok, ok, I have always wanted to go to this place anyway, but with him along, it made the decision that much easier.   So we drove from lunch at new Haven to late dinner in Baltimore.  My buddy absolutely raved about the crabcake at G&M, proclaiming it the best he had ever had.  I liked it as well, but the thing he liked - the near absence of filler - actually was a negative for me.  I wanted some more spice, a more cake like texture, more flavor.  All f which I got in abundance at Faidley's the next day.  Faidley's is smaller, less crab, and little more expensive, and in a far less nice setting - but despite all that, I thought it was worlds tastier.  My buddy proclaimed it the second best he had ever had but a distant second - still high praise, as he travels a lot and eats a lot of seafood.   The other thing about Faidley's is that it is located within the Lexington market, which is the most impressive assortment of single proprietor food stalls I have ever laid my eyes on.  I felt like a kid walking through a toy store.  I could eat here every day for a month and probably still not get to sample even a quarter of the prepared foods available.  Now, the place is a little grimy and rough around the edges, maybe not a great place for kids, but any Roadfooder in the area should stop by fo a look, even if you're not planning on crabcakes at Faidley's.

9) Finally
if you plan on visiting NYC, I cannot recommend strongly enough that you spend some time familiarizing yourself with the various systems of public transportation and use them.  Driving in NYC was an experience I will always remember, but not fondly.  One of my passenger commented that he'd have pulled his hair out after just an hour if he'd been he driver.   Learn the system, use the system, and use cabs to fill in for the very few gaps where walking and other public systems don't fit the situation.  I had intended to do just exactly this, but did not invest the time needed to learn the system(s), and so we spent many many MANY hours sitting in dead-stopped traffic, mostly in Manhattan.  Dont make the mistake I made :-)

10) Finally (part 2)
My hotel in Jersey City was Red Carpet Inn on Tonnelle.  Parking was great, within their own enclosed, well lit, camera monitored lot - and was free.  Free high speed internet, free continental breakfast, fairly near Manhattan, clean and comfortable, no frills - and downright cheap.  However - Tonnelle is divided, requiring a lot of u-turns to navigate but without turn lanes, so navigating it was treacherous at times.  I am also not sure about how close public transportation was due to my mistake of not trying to make use of it (see item 9).  That said, if someone will confirm public transportation is within walking distance, I unequivocally recommend this place on the cheap/nofrills basis.   As an aside, a cool roadfood type place is right across the street - White Manna, which is an ages-old diner and slider joint - but the traffic is so heavy and I was always so full and tired when i got back to the hotel that I never checked it out.  Yet another mistake, I'm sure.
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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 7:17 PM
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Sounds terrific, TJ. And I cannot tell you have pleased I am with your reaction to Pepe's.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 7:18 PM
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We ordered a white clam (naturally), a plain pie with mozzerella, and a bacon pie.  These three pies now occupy the number 1, 2, and 3 positions in the list of best pizzas I have ever eaten.


I love this...that's one of the best statements ever

It's good to see you found new culinary highs and from the sounds of it you've got a few places that you'll venturing back to with others in tow. Great report and good tips and advice. I was in NYC recently and I concur on the public transportation (and learning to use it). I found you could just a few people until you got pointed in the right direction.

On White Mana...personally I don't think you missed anything...that's just my opinion. The greatest point for me there was just seeing the building and sitting at the counter...and you got to see the building so....

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 7:25 PM
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Michael Hoffman

Sounds terrific, TJ. And I cannot tell you have pleased I am with your reaction to Pepe's.

Not sure any pizza could ever top those three, but I am willing to let Sally's, Modern, and the others there take their shot at me ;-)


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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 8:15 PM
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TJ Jackson


Michael Hoffman

Sounds terrific, TJ. And I cannot tell you have pleased I am with your reaction to Pepe's.

Not sure any pizza could ever top those three, but I am willing to let Sally's, Modern, and the others there take their shot at me ;-)

I prefer Pepe's, but I do love Sally's, and a place called The Spot was better than either of them, but Pepe's now owns the Spot, so I can't even offer a suggestion. I've never been to Modern, but people I know in my hometown love it.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Wed, 11/25/09 8:52 PM
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Michael Hoffman

a place called The Spot was better than either of them, but Pepe's now owns the Spot

I'm sure you already know this, but for the benefit of others reading, Pepe's has a parking lot on either side, and the spot is a tiny place at the back of the parking lot on the left (as you face Pepe's from the street).  We parked in that lot, and I actually got a picture of the Spot before I took a picture of Pepe's

My understanding is that the Spot is essentially an annex to Pepe's and they open it at peak periods to serve the overflow crowd

Pepe's was at capacity on a monday by 11:20 - we got in right at 11

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Thu, 11/26/09 12:41 AM
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Item 10) -  A few blocks east of Tonnelle Ave is JFK Blvd. in Jersey City. The #88 bus will take you to JFK Blvd. and 31st St. Transfer at 30th Street to the 190 bus to Port Authority Bus Terminal in Manhattan.

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Mon, 11/30/09 11:28 AM
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You're the TJ from Slice!!! For whatever reason I didn't put the two together. I've been reading your exploits over there. I love Slice...and AHT....and Serious Eats.

http://slice.seriouseats....c-trip-turned-out.html

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Re:Upcoming visit to NYC - Mon, 11/30/09 12:07 PM
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Yes -  take a look at the last 4 or so posts on page 1 of this thread and you'll see I provided the links to Slice.

I still cant believe Adam posted my lil' emails as features :-)  Makes me smile.