I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ...

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JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
2010/05/25 22:09:33
Jane & Michael saw this one coming when they wrote their 500 Things to Eat Before It's Too Late book.
Federal War on Salt Could Spoil Country Hams

If the food police get their way, North Carolinians can kiss their country hams, bacon, and fresh Bright Leaf hot dogs goodbye. These Southern specialties might not disappear altogether, but, if the health agency’s crusade against salt is successful, they never will taste the same again.

The Washington Post reports that the Food and Drug Administration plans an unprecedented effort to reduce gradually Americans’ salt consumption.

In April, the Institute of Medicine advised the FDA to lower the recommended daily intake of sodium for individuals from 2,300 mg to 1,500 mg. It also recommended setting maximum legal limits on salt in all packaged and restaurant foods.

The plan is “to slowly ratchet down the sodium level, so people won’t notice the change,” said Christina DeWitt, a food scientist on the IOM advisory panel.

Still, critics of the proposal argue that, in isolation, limiting salt in the diet may not improve public health. Jacob Sullum, senior editor at Reason magazine, says there's little evidence linking low-salt diets to a reduced incidence of high blood pressure or cardiovascular disease.

Eat it while you can get it.



RedJim64
Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 06:15:07
We'll be at the barracades before this ever happens!
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 06:44:09
Maybe they can farm out that salt reducing plan to BP?
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 08:52:43
Despite the claims of the editor of Reason Magazine, there exists a wealth of peer reviewed studies that indicate a straight line connection between high salt diet and high blood pressure. There are also other causes of high blood pressure not necessarily connected with salt intake. 

We will continue to enjoy a salty country ham from time to time. We will continue to enjoy  our regular consumption of salty hot dogs, and other processed meats. We will, however, also continue to limit and try to reduce the amount of salt we add at the table and at the stove in our everyday home cooking. 

Like alcohol, salt is good in moderation.

Cheers, John 
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 14:52:33

 John,

   we don't often agree when it comes to 'social organization', but I must say that your line...

     "Like alcohol, salt is good in moderation".

is so very true. Thank you for stating in one short line what I hope is my whole philosophy of life !

Moderation in all things is a healthy life-goal!

Now if I could live the life !!
Jim2903
Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 16:33:30
Unfortunately, the government isn't about moderation -- it's about all or nothing ...
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 17:53:48
At risk of being spanked for responding to an extremely nihilistic view of our government, I must ask just where and when has the United States government been "about all or nothing"?

Oh, I remember, it was when Newt Gingrich shut down the government.  Or maybe it was when the southern states seceded from the Union. Or maybe when we declared our independence from Great Britain... 

Cheers, John 
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 19:15:40
seafarer john

At risk of being spanked for responding to an extremely nihilistic view of our government, I must ask just where and when has the United States government been "about all or nothing"?

Oh, I remember, it was when Newt Gingrich shut down the government.  Or maybe it was when the southern states seceded from the Union. Or maybe when we declared our independence from Great Britain... 

Cheers, John 



John,  I am sure you will not mind being corrected.  The labors unions went to President Clinton and told him to shut down the government, and they will make it look like the republicans fault.  It's on the record.



localnet
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 19:43:43
Keep your powder dry, you and we are going to need it.
DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 20:44:29
If the RDA has been changed to 1500mg/day, that's not that much salt if you put into teaspoons where 1/4 tsp is equal to 590mg of table salt. The RDA is less then 3/4tsp/day. Companies are going to start raising MSG levels or adding other enhancers to make up the difference. At present levels in processed food, it's near impossible to maintain a restricted diet. Just looking at a few items in my kitchen such as 3/4 cups of bran flakes (220mg), A whole wheat, multgrain bagel (440mg) or a slice if rye bread (210mg). That recommended level would be hard to maintain.
quijote
Double Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 20:55:40
mayor al

Moderation in all things is a healthy life-goal!



"Everything in moderation, including moderation itself"


seafarer john
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 20:57:30
Joe: Why would the labor unions want to shut down the national government? Please explain and give me some documentation .


Cheers, John 
post edited by seafarer john - 2010/05/26 21:00:10
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/26 21:25:30
John, Do your own research.  Most of all, RF is no place for this kind of stuff.
stricken_detective
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 01:09:52
DawnT

If the RDA has been changed to 1500mg/day, that's not that much salt if you put into teaspoons where 1/4 tsp is equal to 590mg of table salt. The RDA is less then 3/4tsp/day. Companies are going to start raising MSG levels or adding other enhancers to make up the difference. At present levels in processed food, it's near impossible to maintain a restricted diet. Just looking at a few items in my kitchen such as 3/4 cups of bran flakes (220mg), A whole wheat, multgrain bagel (440mg) or a slice if rye bread (210mg). That recommended level would be hard to maintain.


It would be hard to maintain if you depend on processed foods for the bulk of your meals. For those of us who have to watch it, we have learned over the years what to buy & what not to buy. Fresh or frozen fruit, fresh or frozen vegetables, and anything processed gets turned over and has its' label read right there in the grocery store. I don't care if it respects me in the morning or not. I want to know if I respect it enough to buy it.

My RDA from my doctor is 1000mg per day or less. There is no earthly reason there needs to be THAT MUCH sodium in a serving of cereal, a bagel, a frozen dinner, etc. MSG is sodium, the middle word is even sodium (I think someone here taught me that). People who have to watch that sort of thing read labels. The only cereal I will buy is shredded wheat. 0mg per serving. Sometimes I go bonkers & get the blueberry kind & mix it with the plain. I'm a little crazy that way. The only bagels I buy are the French Toast ones, even though I'm not a big sweets eater, because hey! 85mg per serving. The whole grain bagels are in the 300+mg range to which I say "You've got to be jerking my beefaroni." I only buy Healthy Life bread because it's the lowest in sodium that still has some fiber. I only buy Roadhouse BBQ sauce because it's the lowest in sodium I've found that tastes great. But for potlucks at work where I'm feeding people that don't have to watch it, it's KC Masterpiece all the way.

Obviously I am not above having a treat because I am here @ Roadfood.com, but I plan my treats out very carefully so I can still get shoes on my feet the next morning. If I have a high sodium day I snack on fruit the whole entire next day & watch the sodium content in general for a few days afterwards.

For things like ham, I hate to say duh, but DUH!!! That is how you cure ham! With salt!!! There is EVERY earthly reason to have THAT MUCH sodium in ham, bacon, snausages, prosciutto, etc. Mmmmmmm, prosciutt' wrapped around some honeydew, yum!  The government may be able to do a lot of things, but messing up the recipe for ham? The Pork Lobby will have something to say about that. I'd bet my sweet bippy on it.

Wow, what a sermon. So in conclusion, I would like them to take the sodium out of Everything bagels, and pretty much anything in a box. LEAVE THE MEAT ALONE. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
dannybotz
Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 09:13:19
well said!! here here!!
tiki
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 09:58:19
joerogo

seafarer john

At risk of being spanked for responding to an extremely nihilistic view of our government, I must ask just where and when has the United States government been "about all or nothing"?

Oh, I remember, it was when Newt Gingrich shut down the government.  Or maybe it was when the southern states seceded from the Union. Or maybe when we declared our independence from Great Britain... 

Cheers, John 



John,  I am sure you will not mind being corrected.  The labors unions went to President Clinton and told him to shut down the government, and they will make it look like the republicans fault.  It's on the record.


Oh sure---like ANYONE in government has paid attention to any labor union in the past 35 yrs!!!
seafarer john
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 09:59:12
The subject was a suggestion from some federal government officials regarding a gradual decrease in the amount of salt contained in processed foods. 

I think stricken Detective has said it all, thank you, SD.

BTW: It was Newt Gingrich himself, speaking to a roomful of reporters, who said he had shut down the government because he had been snubbed by Bill Clinton. It seems that our national government was shut down twice in 1995 by Newt Gingrich because he had been assigned a seat in the rear of Air force One.


Cheers, John 
Jim2903
Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 12:35:23
stricken_detective

For things like ham, I hate to say duh, but DUH!!! That is how you cure ham! With salt!!! There is EVERY earthly reason to have THAT MUCH sodium in ham, bacon, snausages, prosciutto, etc. Mmmmmmm, prosciutt' wrapped around some honeydew, yum!  The government may be able to do a lot of things, but messing up the recipe for ham?

 
Exactly -- salt is not just a seasoning. For some foods, salt has a function in its creation. Cheese is another example of that. The point about government is, people should be free to choose from among the myriad food options on the market, which already include many reduced-salt and salt-free products with others in development and coming soon, rather than torpedoing the entire system by mandating blanket recipes for all food manufacturers.

wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 12:42:30
I'm surprised that the FDA would want to even think of lowering the daily intake of sodium. 2400 mg's really isn't that much. If anything they should lower the  daily intake of carbohydrates to 100 grams or less. I believe right now the maximum daily carb intake is something preposterous like 300 grams.
If I took in 300 grams of carbohydrates a day I'd be dead, and I'm not even a clinical diabetic!
Nancypalooza
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/27 13:42:58
Did nobody notice that the original link was to a partisan site masquerading as a news outlet?
mbrookes
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/28 13:40:37
There is also a reference to Washington Post.
Do you mean to imply that the FDA is not going to try to ratchet down our salt? Or just that country ham fans need not worry?
DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/28 14:29:18
The IOM is National Academy also. The publication may be partisan, but the source they site isn't and responsible for directing public policy.
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/28 15:05:45
Everybody is so darn health conscious anymore!  Salt, noise, what's next?


DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/28 15:20:22
Hows about being ask to leave a client's offices and being escorted out by security because they have a "Fragrance Free Workplace" ? One of my kid's office is in a "Nut Free Zone". No nuts or peanuts allowed even cookies.
tiki
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/28 17:23:47
joerogo

Everybody is so darn health conscious anymore!  Salt, noise, what's next?


of course that ciggerette she is smokin is just ine for the kid though' huh???  Oh well lady--what the heck--relac and pop another beer!!!

Nancypalooza
Filet Mignon
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/29 15:34:46
I'm betting your article was placed by these folks.  http://www.nytimes.com/20..5/30/health/30salt.html
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:I'll give up my bacon when they pry my cold dead ... 2010/05/29 20:01:07
Wars have been started over salt, however I don't think I will stock up quite just yet.  Guns and Ammo are stockpiled though.