Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved?

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mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
2010/06/14 10:36:16
We have an interesting family circumstance (to us) that has generated a desire to have two groups with the same surname, who come from the same small village in what is now the Czech Republic, to complete a DNA testing experience to prove (yes or no) that the two groups are indeed related.
 
If the test says yes, then depending upon the number of matches found when comparing the 46 elements of the samples, they will be able to narrow the number of generations back we have to go to find the 'link' .
 
Prior to this we have some supportive info. Both families the male was born into the family IN the village. One, my grandfather was born in 1880's and lived there until 1912 when he came to the USA. The second is my age, born in the village and left with the Russian troubles of 1968.
The name is not a common one, but definitely Czech in origin.
 
Our side has a paper trail (tree) that is complete for five generations back from me. We have names,birth,marriage,death records for everyone back to my great great grandfather (b.1820). The other family has no paper trace, but they have the language skills and a lot of contact with folks living in the area to be able to discuss this and ask questions etc. There are 'tales' of an ancestor who was the bell-ringer in the only Catholic church in the area in their group...While our side has a story about a member who worked in the church (Janitor?) at about the same time (early 1800's) Unfortuneately the church burned in 1854 so all real paper records were lost.
 
On the down side both families have contact with relatives who still live in the village (400 population) and those relatives say NO link...
 
My guess is that the two groups had a parting of the ways (feud) at some point and disowned each other somewhere in the past.   We hope the test will show that we are indeed 'cousins' of sorts.
 
Have any of you had any experience with DNA testing  for Genealogy ???  TTM's paternity denial tests don't count in this experience !!  I'll be interested in any feedback as this is a new area for us !
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 11:12:10
It is my understanding the testing is general in nature. At least the big sponsored ones. I don't think they are designed to specifically link families but more to say where in history you came from. So if both sides test and tell you that you link back through central Europe it may not tell you anything at all. In depth private testing to match both sides of the family would be another story. I suppose that could be done to make a determination.

I haven't tested. I have an ancestry database with nearly 3,000 direct ancestors going back to when verifiable records were first recorded. Assuming there were no hankie pankies  in my family tree I pretty much know my genetics.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 12:17:16
Davy

I spoke with the folks at Ancestry.com at length several times before ordering the two tests. They are one of the larger and longer running computer-assisted genealogy services...Linked indirectly, if not culturally to the LDS Genealogy Society.  Since I am the 'buyer' I will get the results for both tests and have access to them when they are added to the data base that Ancestry.com maintains. The two guys doing the samples will each receive their own results, and access to the data base.

I am not a sample contributor because I am a descendant in the family thru my Mother (female) and the participants need to be direct MALE descendants. So one of my male cousins, son of a male descendant is doing it. On the other side the contributor is a direct male descendant.

The data will tell us Yes or No that there is a gentic connection between the two samples...and compare them to the top 250 matches in the data base to whom we may be related as well.  Since we are using the 46 point test, we will be able to match the two samples along those 46 points. The more points match, the closer the link probably is...down to about 7 generations back.  Pinning it to a specific generation isn't currently possible, but getting close will be a big help.

I have paper-trail tree documentation for more than a thousand in my father (Ohio) and my Mothers (Czech) families. Obviously it is easier to find the info about the Ohio relatives than the Czech. Between the wars and invasions and natural issues the Czech side is full of questions and dead-ends (no pun) that we hope the DNA will solve at least a couple.

There is a basic 12 point test that does what you describe, for those who are not trying to compare two known samples. That basic test will put you in a general area map that really means little...There are certainly better ways to determine if your family originated in Poland or Portugal !!  We are looking for more specific data.

I certainly will share what I learn here.
kozel
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 13:14:23
Besides Ancestry.com you might want to look at http://www.familysearch.org which is from the LDS. 
joclyn
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 17:23:02
this is VERY interesting, mayor!!  i hope the results are what you expect/hope for them to be.  if the name is not a very common one, then, there is likely to be a connection - one that was broken due to some 'feud' years ago.    (anyone with a slokak background is well-known for holding grudges - even against family members) so, it's likely are related! 
 
i look forward to seeing what the results are!!  any idea how long it takes for this testing to be completed?
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 17:34:01
Joclyn,

I received notice the test were shipped to the "donors" today. Given a few days to get there (Michigan and Delaware) then a day or so to complete and return that part of the process is about 2 weeks in length. The company says 2-4 weeks after receipt to get the data organized and posted, so roughly the end of July on the outside of the timeline !  BTW the test uses a cheek swab, a simple way to get the data needed.

The neat part of it is that both parties have a real interest in seeing if the 'guess' we have is correct, or are the folk-tales handed down in the village are the real story !!
enginecapt
Filet Mignon
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 20:37:19
What's that test run in $$$?
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 20:54:56
$184.00 each ($368.00 for the two of them including shipping etc)

The two cousins on my side (twins 60 yrs old), the one guy on the other side, and myself are splitting the cost 4 ways...so $92.00 gets me an answer.

There are two levels of less expensive tests that give fewer points to compare. We decided we want the best possible opportunity to find how close we are...if we are !!
joclyn
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/14 23:59:14
that pricing isn't all that bad when you consider the amount of markers they are testing.  and the timeframe is much quicker than i'd have thought! 
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/15 08:59:43
Sales Tax was interesting... By having the test sent to the volunteers at home (Michigan and Delaware) no tax was added. If they had been sent to me, apparently Indiana demands the tax ($25.00) be added. We did save a few bucks that way.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/15 10:17:50
Very exciting.  I've been working on a family tree since November.

Origins Polish with Czech and Argentine branches.

I sent out an email to someone who "manages" a lot of people related to my Argentine relatives and she answered me today with:

"I will try to found out what you want to know, but as i understand it we are talking about a very distant family relation"

Uhhhhh.....  Isn't that what it's all about?

Al,  I'm quite interested in your quest.  
PapaJoe8
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/16 13:40:14
Al, I am of coarse pullin for yall to be closely related. Neat that this is available!

They can do more w/ Mitochondrial DNA but I think it is out of reach for normal folks. That is what they used to figure out that we are all more closely related from not as long ago as most folks thought.

They were also able to use that to figure out that domestic cats came from a near eastern wild cat 10,000 years ago, rather than from African ancestry, like most thought, 5,000 years ago.
Joe
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/16 15:25:46
Thanks Joe... You're right, we are thinking in terms of within the framework timeline of written history as opposed to going back to "Lucy"  in Dr Leakie's search in the African Rift Valley (although that might be a very long-range goal someday!)  we have used elderly residents of the rural Czech village to solve some of the basic info needs, and if you are a member of one of the major genealogy services on-line you can get a large about of 'certifiable' data from records available on line.

The question we have is finite. Two families from the same small geographic area in the Czech Republic, with relatives still in that area, share an uncommon surname. We will be surprised if the DNA says we are not connected. Lack of the paper-trail records (church fire) makes pinning down the exact point of connection difficult(impossible) at this time. The DNA will tell us if we are in "the Ball Park" (within 6 or 7 generations of the contact-link) which what we THINK will happen.
AL
Born in OKC
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/16 17:48:12
mayor al -
 
Let me tell a story about someone in my family using DNA testing to show a relationship that was long suspected but never proven.  It was the idea of one of my relatives who I now think of as "my smart cousin."   She did the work and the running - I just gave a sample.
 
My family name has been in what is now the USA for about 370 years when three men with that name settled in New England.  There were  traditions that they were brothers but no proof.  A comprehensive geneaological study was completed  in the 1890's and books published but no proof was found of the supposed connection between the first three who came here.  Part of the problem was that the family name could not be traced across the Atlantic.  Anyway, I'll call those first three settlers A, B, and C.  My smart cousin and I are descended from "C" and the paper trail is good. 
 
My smart cousin met a man descended from "B" and he also had a good paper trail and he underwent DNA testing as did her brother.  They match in enough markers to show a recent connection.  (Actually the results were identical for markers tested.) My smart cousin then approached me and asked that I have the DNA tests which I did.  It so happens that her brother and I have the same family and given names because we are both named for the same ancestor.  To prevent someone from someday asking if the test results and records were mixed up, my tests  were made in a different lab than her with result that all three of us, the man descended from "B" and the two of us from "C," were found to have the same markers.
 
I don't know that my smart cousin has published the results of this exercize.  I would cite the article if I knew.
 
DNA testing is not my bag. but I think it has been shown that the family tradition of at least two lines of people with my name are related.  Maybe some one else will bring in people descended from "A" someday.  It is also possible that that will help with research  into the origins of the family name.
 
Oh, one more thing.  From our common great-grandfather's time at least, no hanky pank in two lines descended from "C," right?
 
I hope you will share with us future developments so far as research about your family is concerned.
 
 
 
 
 
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/16 18:03:48
OKC
  We are working in somewhat similiar circumstances ! I am assumming you are Male. They do make a Maternal/paternal test, but according to the info we got, the 46 point Paternal-line test is the "best" to use with the moderate price part of the consideration.

A Plus for this is that both parties know something of their background, and now have met and discussed the ramifications of any results to the satisfaction of all. We are pretty sure the link will be between 5 and 10 generations back from our (age 65+-) generation.

I will indeed report what I can about the results...and the result of the results !!
Born in OKC
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/16 20:17:40
mayor al -
 
I am indeed male and probably should have said so although I think that that your remarks made that a given if I had anything valid to say.  My remote ancestor, '"C" as designated above, lived from ca 1605 - 1687 and IIRC I am ten generations down so our circumstances are similar.
 
I suspect that your genetic test service will if you desire, like mine, send you the names of others with the same markers as you have.  In my case only a few of the names are the same as mine and mostly I have never heard of them.  It is very interesting. 
 
It is interesting also  that you have a Czech heritage.  I DO NOT, SFAIK, but my mother's family was in the 16th century likely living in the Sudetenland, South Germany, the border territory that was Hitler's  excuse for grabbing part of and later all of Czechoslovakia in the late thirties.   I am sure that your family there has horrific stories to tell about those times and the Communist era after the War.  My mother's family moved to Prussia by the 18th Century and later to Russia before coming to the USA in the 19th Century.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/16 20:45:09
My nuclear family  (Mother and grandparents) came in 1912.  Prague was then part of Austria/Hungary. The male sample from our side of the family is a 60+ yr old cousin.

The sample from the other family who was born in the same village in Czech as my grandfather, (same surname) left due to the 1968 Russian invasion. Both sides have living relations in the old village and both side relatives have said we "May" be distant relatives but no one knows (or seems to care) and details or info about a possible link.

We are really looking forward to receiving the info about the link between the two families. Yes the test will put these two individuals (assumming some sort of match) into a group of 250 who come the closest to matching our samples.
 
Our American branch of the family did indeed maintain communications with the Czech family all during the period 1912-present day.  During the Nazi and Soviet occupation my Grandmother and Mother spent a lot of time fixing clothing to send and in some cases sewing coins into the lining etc to provide support for those in need in the old country. I don't have the language skills that my Mother had, so my communications has been thru written letters and email, save for some personal visits with Czech family who vacation here at times.
 
For the past 15 years the gentleman who is the sample for the "other family" has assisted me with translations of notes received in Czech.  We get along quite well !
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/20 20:00:15
The test kits have been received by the two "donors". Next to swab the cheeks and ship the samples back to the company.
enginecapt
Filet Mignon
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/20 20:28:52
One of the many surprising results of our research is this relative. Carbine (with the s dropped) is a family name here in the USA.
joclyn
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/20 21:50:49
enginecapt

One of the many surprising results of our research is this relative. Carbine (with the s dropped) is a family name here in the USA.

interesting find and i'm surprised it wasn't common knowledge in your family. 
 
that is a fantabulous site!!!
enginecapt
Filet Mignon
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/20 22:08:07
I'm pretty sure he was from a distant enough branch that no one was all that familiar with. Our side had been in the country since the 18th century and his side was still in the ancestral part of England.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/21 01:37:36
VERY interesting!

I've just found a whole bunch of cousins (first, 3 times removed and 3rd cousins, etc) who llive in Argentina.  The woman who I wrote about in my last post realized that the names I sent her were also part of her family.

If you want to do a family tree, www.geni.com is a wonderful site.  I'm addicted to it and chocolate.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/22 12:32:59
OK, Progress Report--- Both donors have swabbed their cheeks and put the samples in the return shipping packets provided.  Now we wait (a week for shipping, and 4-6 weeks for processing the samples and posting the data).
  I will post the connection or lack of when we get the data.

Since you guys have posted a couple of genealogy-related sites I will put in a comment about Ancestry.com, the outfit that does this DNA testing. I have used them several times for assistance with my Family Tree Maker Program over the past 20 years. I have always been satisfied with the responses they gave to questions.  Well this time they have really outdone themselves.  In addition to a very good oral response to my questions, they have provided automated assistance in my search for documentation of various family activities (When did great-grandfather come to the USA??) They answered with the shipping manifest for his original arrival in 1913 (a year after my Mom and her parents came) and also his passport Application in 1920 and manifests from passenger ships he used when returning to the USA from Europe in 1921, 1927, and 1931. The old guy really got around !  I would not have thought to check that, but Ancestry.com did and sent me the data !!!!!

I am pretty happy with the service I am receiving from them.
AL
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/26 10:50:29
DNA Test samples arrived safely at the lab. Email notice of this arrived overnight  to me.  The clock is ticking...
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/30 18:25:23
First results for one of the Sample-givers was posted today. He had positive results on 44 of the 46 point test, so hopefully whom-ever he matches with will also have a wide-base of results. That gives a much better chance for accurate measurement of the 'generations' between us.

We have to wait until the second person's Test results are completed in the lab before being able to compare our two family lines.

One interesting side note. The sample test that is completed shows several matches to others who have tested. In fact two of the 'other tests' show a connection at the " 8 generation back" point. This is a real surprise. Neither of those two have the same family surname. We will be contacting the two folks via the secure message line on the dna site to see how we may be linked??

More to follow when we get the data for my other cousin.
joclyn
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/30 22:20:39
interesting about the other matches! 
 
different surname may be due to remarriage and the kids being adopted by the step-father.  or it could be a matter of emigrating that the spelling of the surname was mutilated and/or changed to something else entirely (that was a frequent occurance with the slovak and russian names since they are sometimes so complicated and with the variance of consonants between the native language and english).
 
hope you can figure out the connection!!
 
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/06/30 22:30:07
Yeah, A number of my Czech relatives Americanized their given name when they arrived here to make pronunciation and spelling easier...and maybe to become part of the 'new' country a bit faster. The surnames received the same treatment, but normally not as often, or as radical a change.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/01 00:56:51
Another good thing about Ancestry.com is that they check with alternate spellings.

My last name although pronounced similarly is spelled very differently in the different countries where we all live.  These sites check them all.

www.familysearch.com is a free site where I found some good information.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/06 17:53:28
OK  The Test Results are in !!!

We have found that the two individuals are indeed related. The DNA results show that we are linked 14 generations back (300-350 years back). We were almost certain there would be a link, and we knew it had to be at least 6 or 7 generations back, as we have family data that only mentions (from both sides of the discussion) that we were 'distant' relatives at that point.

Now we know the real story. In addition, as I mentioned above, both samples brought the same returns, showing a man in Alberta, Canada who is 8 generations removed from both of our guys...and another fellow in Nebraska who is 9 generations back from both of our samples.  We are contacting these two men to see if they would like to swap info about how a link might be found between us.

This has been a great experiment. According to the folks at the test company, the Maternal DNA test will not give the depth of specific detail that the Paternal test does. It will give basic yes or no answers to the question "Are these two related?" but it won't measure the generations to the link.

OK That answers that question. I recommend the DNA process to check out any 'possible connections' you may have in your family tree. It was a real neat experience and has brought out a lot of interest from many family members here.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/06 18:14:23
How exciting!  I'm happy you got the results you were looking for.

Very interesting at the least!
tmiles
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/17 13:56:34
I've thought about it, but never pulled the trigger. I have more known family than I can keep track of, so there has been no rush to add to the mix. One of my wife's cousins likes the phrase "cousins by the dozens", and uses it often.

I consider myself a true American, and suspect that I had people on both decks of the slave ships. DNA proof that I have some native American blood , too, would be nice.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/17 15:38:23
tmiles,
I do understand  how the volume of 'family' may preclude the need for a DNA testing situation. This particular case was one that we 'knew' thru oral history from the old country that we were 'probably' related. The DNA testing actually did lttle more than confirm that supposition. Since it puts the connecting link at "up to 14 generations" back It takes us out of the searchable history of any documentation in the old country of a link.  It does, however, confirm the link is really there, and that we are on good terms, exchanging communications and making periodic visits  to each other.  That's a good feeling for us.

The whole activity has proved to be a real "Bonding" experience for all of us.
 
MAJOR EDIT ON THIS POST TO PREVENT PRIVACY ISSUES WITH FAMILY NAMES.

post edited by mayor al - 2010/07/20 08:38:01
joclyn
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/17 16:06:01
i don't know how i missed your post with the test results!  i'm glad things worked out - sounds like you got a bit more info & connections with family than originally expected.  that's a very good outcome!!
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/18 12:01:33
I have been reluctant to pay a subscription to any of the on-line genealogy services  to do my 'research', however a trial period with Ancestry.com was part of the DNA testing offer, so I did it, then extended the membership for a year when I began to find a lot of information that I wasn't aware of, or had only oral-history hand-me-downs for a source. It has proved very valuable so far, and each day I seem to be able to solve questions that were left hanging in the past.

It's really funny how one's priorities and interests evolve over time. I worked hard for many years to raise, and support, a large family. There was no time allocated for this sort of introverted historical search.  When I neared retirment I had passed the complusvive career climbing point, and had a few years near the end of my work-years when we could take a lot of time to get closer to my Mom and her (Czech) history, and my Dad who passed away when I was only 4 years old, and to travel the USA with Janet who had not been outside of SoCal before. 

Those activities, which blended well together, gave me a new direction for these years when I don't travel as much, and my family seems to be going it's own directions most of the time.  Now is the time that I can use to search out my own heritage.."ROOTS" (so to speak!).  A couple of my children have a little interest in the process, but much prefer for me to write-it-up and send them the Reader's Digest version !!  No hard feelings on my part, as I recall the many times when I only half-listened to my Grandfathers rants about what the Nazi, and later the Soviets, did to our relatives in the old country.
Now I communicate with the elderly survivors (and their children) about what grandfather told us...and try to preserve the history as well as the family tree.

Sorry if I belabor the point so much, but I am very aware that the catch-phrase  "If we don't learn from the mistakes we make in our history, we are doomed to repeat them"...or something close to that. I am finding myself in the role of preserver of the family history at this point, and want to do the best I can to help my future family understand how important the family past really is.

End of Rant. Thank you all for sharing my interest in this 'quest'.
AL
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/18 12:18:05
I have 2,398 marked people meaning direct ancestors in my genealogical database. I started long before computer search and gathered information from more direct sources (actual records). It seems my information has been copied numerous times, even bastardized after a while, and now I find info online that I absolutely know to be incorrect because I possess the actual physical family evidence dating back to the early 1800s. The LDS records are the worst because they seem to accept everything without verification. Genealogical information used to be more freely available but now most of it seems to be locked away in places like Ancestry.com. I'm debating with myself whether I want to try to dig deeper or not and sign up with Ancestry.com.

Interestingly, every ancestral line I have traced has gone back to before the American Revolution. I have no known ancestor immigrants to America after the Revolution. Primarily they come through Maryland and Virginia to Kentucky to Indiana on my dad's side and Pennsylvania to Ohio to Indiana on my mom's side.
joclyn
Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/19 01:31:32
 
 
i'm waiting to do a pay-subscription until i have enough basic info compiled from my own searching as well as from what other family members can provide to have a good base to start from so i can make the most of the subscription.  i also need to have sufficient time to do it (which i'm not at the point in life that you are mayor, so, i'm just stockpiling stuff at the moment). 

tried to get info from my great-grand years ago when i was a teenager and she didn't want to provide any info.  she came here at a time when you left the 'old country' behind (physically, emotionally and mentally) and integrated fully into the 'american' society.  it was like pulling teeth to get her to talk about anything - and don't even think about learning the language!

all the older generations (that came from the old countries) are gone now, so i really need to step up my efforts while the generation before mine is still here - they still have plenty of memories and some oral history info that will be useful...

good to know the lds database isn't reliable.  i'd looked at that years ago when i first got a computer.  seemed to be pretty extensive then.  more recent experience shows they've changed things a bit and it doesn't seem all that good a resource now.

i DO hate that things have become commercialized and what really is public info is so hard to actually get without paying fees to ancestry.com and the like.

 
when i do get a good amount of basic info compiled, i'm going to take the time off of work to go into philly to access the national archives info for imigrant info, marriage/death/birth/censu info, etc - once i have all i can get from that, i'll do the payed sub bit for access to other countries info.

 
 
http://www.archives.gov/
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/19 09:30:42
One problem with genealogy is most don't get started until they are older and consequently opportunity is lost. I am now the patriarch in my family line at age 66. I no longer have anyone in the family to ask. I was a bit fortunate in that I got the bug in meeting a great uncle for the first and only time filling me with family history that ultimately I proved wrong. But I got started early and preserved some family records, letters, deeds, lists, tax records, other papers, etc. that I got from my grandfather at an early age. Trivial stuff we all throw away. They were a jumbled mess in a desk drawer and probably would have disappeared had he not given them to me. It was also information impossible to dig out of courthouse records that dated back to the 1820s. Then when my grandfather died at age 93 in 1983 I met all kinds of great aunts at the funeral from my maternal grandmother's side of the family who were contemporaries of my grandfather. My grandmother died two months before I was born! I listened to them reminisce about her side of the family I knew nothing about. Those few clues opened a treasure trove of information. Still, a lot of information was lost and that branch has few genealogical seekers to compare notes with and I keep looping back to only the information I discovered and dug out. I contacted over the years many other family genealogists that have long passed on along with their records.

Moral of the story is don't wait.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/19 10:54:28
I agree totally with both the above.

I have two members of the generation 'above' mine left , and am asking questions and taking notes as often as I can. Would that I had caught the spirit of the search when there were more sources still around me !

Joclyn,   PARAGRAPH EDITED, SORRY,  PRIVACY ISSUE AGAIN. MY CHOICE TO EDIT TO PREVENT POSSIBLE CONFLICT. al

One of the main reasons for us doing the DNA thing was to confirm the 'story' that we heard from the old country, that the two families involved "were related at some distant point in the past". While it would have been nice to arrive at a finite date, it was THE Answer that mattered. We Are Related. "Story Confirmed".
post edited by mayor al - 2010/07/20 08:41:41
HollyDolly
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2010/07/26 10:20:26
Haven't participated in any of these dna studies.The one i did find for Weichlein,Wickline,etc families you have to be a man to participate.I too wish I had my dad write things down about the family,especially since he knew his grandparents and their brothers and sisters a few of whom came to America.My great aunts ,his father's sisters used to write relatives in the old country,even have a photo of a tombstone with three names on it from Himmelstadt that some cousin sent my greataunt,Sister Generose.At least my dad got to go to Garmisch when he was TDY to England and Germany in the late 1950s.Unfortunately he didn't have enough time to go to Nuremberg and consult the familyhistorian and our family history books . But he did get to look at parish records in Garmisch for information.
My mother and her brother and sister were orphans up in Buffalo,Ny .Oh my mom had some contact with relatives,but wouldn't know who in the world to contact up there  about family history,or the family's history in Hungary.Glad you were able to make the connection with your family.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2012/12/12 22:18:11
Bump.
 
I finally did the Ancestry.com DNA test that is now comprehensive both paternal and fraternal. The price had come down as well to only $99. I got my results back and it was a semi surprise until I did some research on what the test actually pass down.
 
My make up was:
56% Central European (mainly France across Germany)
33% Scandinavian
 7% Turkish/Persian/Caucasus
 4% Uncertain
 
The surprise was no British Isles in the makeup yet nearly all my trees go back there or Germany. Scandinavian was also a surprise but considering I can trace my roots back to the Norman Invasion (actually they were originally Vikings not French) and many of my British Isle ancestors were from coastal areas (again Viking invasions) maybe it was not so much of a surprise. Central European was no surprise at all. The Turkish/Persian/Caucasus however is a mystery as I have no paper trails there.
 
I do now have an Ancestry.com account and have posted my genealogy and have been building on it. I was starting to get excited this week because my wife and I both have a DIEHL German family name in our genealogy. I've built the databases and found other families with a link of one man that would connect us both. I personally think the data is incorrect from actual records I have but linked the man anyway to both our lineages just to see how we might be related. We were 9th cousins once removed to a common ancestor born in 1604. For accuracy I unlinked again and put a comment in as to why. One problem with online genealogy is families build trees lemming like without verifiable data. Then when you encounter several family trees with the same data you want to make the assumption it is true.
 
It's a fun hobby.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2012/12/13 08:04:20
Congratulations DDavy, That was a major step forward in the family research. Thanks for the update about the costs and scope of the DNA testing.
I have been a bit dormant in my research lately, but will get back into the digging shortly.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2012/12/13 11:40:58
No horse thieves yet in my tree, but yesterday I found an ancestor, a trader/dealer in Annweiler, Germany "stabbed by Spaniards" as the reason for his death. Little stories that you would like to know more.
ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2012/12/13 12:46:21
Ancestry.com got a shout-out on last night's episode of "C.S.I."  Naturally, it contributed to the apprehension of a murderer.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2012/12/13 14:34:25
I was unaware that my fathers family (way back) were French/Flemish Hugonots (sp) Protestants in a Catholic area, who were forced/chased/urged to leave, in 1739. I even have the ships name and sailing dates that the three DeBolt brothers took to the New World. 2 generations later they were in Central Ohio and the family burial ground is still in Centerburg..with Seven generations buried in the same location...not counting me, but I will join them when the time comes.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Family Tree Genealogy DNA Testing. Anyone involved? 2012/12/13 16:23:40
Al,
 
I too have a French Huguenot ancestor that came to America in in the late 1600s and settled in Henrico County, Virginia. He was Guillaume Fouquet married to Jane Eyre in Virginia in 1687. The name in America evolved into Fuqua.