Slaw dogs

Post
myway
Cheeseburger
2010/07/04 18:11:52
Hi everyone,
 
   Well my wife informs me that the demand for sauerkraut on our hot dogs is not great enough to justify the effort.  She has sold very few of them. However she states that many people have asked about slaw dogs. We are currently using Nathan's 8-1 hot dogs (we initially statrted with Koegels, but thats another thread), we offer grilled peppers ad onions, ketchup , mustard , relish. We do not have a coney sauce or anything, my wife believes sauce "Cheapens" a good tasting quality hot dog. So I guess I am going to chck into the slaw dog thing. Any suggestions? I was once told that a slaw dog is a coney sauce w/ slaw on top of it, being that we do not have a sauce this could ne problematic. How about a good slaw on the hot dog w/o sauce, would that be acceptable?
thanks
BillyB
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 18:37:35
Nathans doesn't have a problem selling a Coney Island Dog, and I think they may have sold a few more dogs than you wife has. You will see slaw dogs offered many ways, I like the idea of chili with the cooling affect of the slaw. You will see Curb come on and give you his world famous mustard slaw dog spiel...............BillyB
parkave1
Hamburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 18:48:31
You can do a slaw dog with bbq sauce.  I have had them both ways. On the kraut, try Sam's Club in the front cafe.  You can get a case of kraut singles that run about .17 cents per.  That way you only open what you will use.  I generally like to warm mine by griddling it to order, maybe with a toss of onions...very nice... but many folks around here are fine to eat it cold on the dog if you don't have a griddle.

I do have a question, what is the rationale in thinking that a good chili/coney style sauce cheapens a dog, but somehow slaw makes it better?  Chili sauce in that respect is like any other topping...and very popular, especially around here.  I recommend offering the sauce and letting your customers decide themselves what makes a hot dog good or bad. 

Also, learn to make your own sauce.  A lot of that canned crap does cheapen a good dog.  It is like alpo.  My sauce is the bomb and chili dogs are the 2nd best selling hot dog on my cart behind the Chicago Style.  Take a spin down I-69 to Exit 10 and we are in that mall right there on SR 238.  I will treat you and your wife to a great chili sauce that truly compliments the meat of the dogs I sell.

Good luck! 
Curbside Grill
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 19:01:35
BillyB 

You will see Curb come on and give you his world famous mustard slaw dog spiel...............BillyB

 
BillyB  only let people know we have it in our area.
Myway  there are slaw dogs and there Chili Slaw dogs( West Virginia Dogs).
Slaws are different in different parts of the country. You mean Cole slaw right.
 

 
flhotdogger
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 19:57:14
A dog with mustard, finely diced onions and a creamy cole slaw is very tasty. I read in another thread where you have a flat top. Spritz each side of the bun with butter spray and toast it on the griddle, freakin' awesome!!
post edited by flhotdogger - 2010/07/04 20:01:25
lornaschinske
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 20:15:59
myway ...We do not have a coney sauce or anything, my wife believes sauce "Cheapens" a good tasting quality hot dog...


I sure am glad that your wife is looking out for your customers and knows what they want on a dog better than they do.  Is she from California? It seems to me that California and their residents know how everyone else in the country should live and eat.
Major Weiner
Junior Burger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 20:40:21
lornaschinke,

Don't you think that comment is uncalled fore? I mean really! That was just rude. Would like him commenting about your family?
Matt Gleason
Health Inspector
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 22:03:15
There are no food laws pertaining to Slaw wit or witout meat sauce.  Some people like hot dogs with baked beans and slaw.

I like hot dogs either way.

There are different types of meat sauces for different types of dogs.  Putting an all beef chili sauce on an all beef dog doesn't really do much.  For an all beef dog you want to add ingredients like cinnamon, turmeric, celery seed and onion.  Such spices mix well with beef and are picked up by the tongue at different times while chewing.  Cole slaw provides a cool, sweet taste before biting down into the warm sauce and finally breaking through the hot natural casing.
TrentonDog
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 22:18:50
Major Weiner

lornaschinke,

Don't you think that comment is uncalled fore? I mean really! That was just rude. Would like him commenting about your family?


I dunno, thought it was kind of funny - and true. Maybe a li'l harsh, but we're all professionals here.
Major Weiner
Junior Burger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 22:25:22
I thought it was funny too! I was just trying to nice. It amazes me what kind of influence women have on our lives.
Matt Gleason
Health Inspector
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/04 22:34:21
"Let them eat slaw"
myway
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 00:17:41
Hi everyone, thanks for the replies. Well it is hard to find a sauce that goes with a good quality beef dog. You see around our neck of the woods, almost every vendor, diner, resturant, buys the cheapest dogs that they can get. Most of them are cheap mixed meat varieties They are not qualtiy at all, let lone good taste. Most of these folks come up with some type of sauce to cover up their lack of a good dog. We are trying to break out beyond that. There are a couple of places that are starting to carry all beef dogs now. I think things are starting to change a little. Finding a good sauce is not easy. Dairy Queen, They have a great all beef hot dog, but their sauce is a little to strong for my taste.
   There is also the simplicity factor as well. So I was just curious if anyone thought that a good sweet coleslaw on a good Nathans dog would qualify as a "slaw dog". Thanks
  
DadsDogs
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 02:36:31
Hot Dog King

There are no food laws pertaining to Slaw wit or witout meat sauce.  Some people like hot dogs with baked beans and slaw.

I like hot dogs either way.

There are different types of meat sauces for different types of dogs.  Putting an all beef chili sauce on an all beef dog doesn't really do much.  For an all beef dog you want to add ingredients like cinnamon, turmeric, celery seed and onion.  Such spices mix well with beef and are picked up by the tongue at different times while chewing.  Cole slaw provides a cool, sweet taste before biting down into the warm sauce and finally breaking through the hot natural casing.


Gee thanks for that vision HDK, now I have to make a late night "kitchen run".     DD
franksrocks
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 03:22:36
parkave1

You can do a slaw dog with bbq sauce.  I have had them both ways. On the kraut, try Sam's Club in the front cafe.  You can get a case of kraut singles that run about .17 cents per.  That way you only open what you will use.  I generally like to warm mine by griddling it to order, maybe with a toss of onions...very nice... but many folks around here are fine to eat it cold on the dog if you don't have a griddle.

I do have a question, what is the rationale in thinking that a good chili/coney style sauce cheapens a dog, but somehow slaw makes it better?  Chili sauce in that respect is like any other topping...and very popular, especially around here.  I recommend offering the sauce and letting your customers decide themselves what makes a hot dog good or bad. 

Also, learn to make your own sauce.  A lot of that canned crap does cheapen a good dog.  It is like alpo.  My sauce is the bomb and chili dogs are the 2nd best selling hot dog on my cart behind the Chicago Style.  Take a spin down I-69 to Exit 10 and we are in that mall right there on SR 238.  I will treat you and your wife to a great chili sauce that truly compliments the meat of the dogs I sell.

Good luck! 


I use those packets of kraut.....because they say "Frank's" on them.  :)
flhotdogger
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 07:59:38
I understand the cheaper places trying to use a sauce to cover up their choice of a crappy dog, it's because their dogs have no flavor to begin with. A quality flavorful dog can really be enhanced with a quality flavorful sauce. Customers want to sense different flavors as they eat something, as we tell customers, "it's a party on your tongue". The fact that your competitors offer lousy chili dogs is actually a blessing for you. Make the best darn chili dog in town and word will spread that YOU are the go to cart for chili dogs.
Russ Jackson
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 08:01:57
myway

Hi everyone,
 
   Well my wife informs me that the demand for sauerkraut on our hot dogs is not great enough to justify the effort.  She has sold very few of them. However she states that many people have asked about slaw dogs. We are currently using Nathan's 8-1 hot dogs (we initially statrted with Koegels, but thats another thread), we offer grilled peppers ad onions, ketchup , mustard , relish. We do not have a coney sauce or anything, my wife believes sauce "Cheapens" a good tasting quality hot dog. So I guess I am going to chck into the slaw dog thing. Any suggestions? I was once told that a slaw dog is a coney sauce w/ slaw on top of it, being that we do not have a sauce this could ne problematic. How about a good slaw on the hot dog w/o sauce, would that be acceptable?
thanks


Curious as to why you stopped using Koegels. Not sure about the no sauce thing. If you look around the country good quality Hot Dogs are being topped with regional stuff. Like: Chicago Dogs, Detroit Coneys, Arizona Sonora Dogs, Texas Red Sauce, West Virginia Slaw Dogs, .... We could go on and on. I think you need to rethink the no sauce thing....Russ
Curbside Grill
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 08:19:00
myway 

 Finding a good sauce is not easy. Dairy Queen, They have a great all beef hot dog, but their sauce is a little to strong for my taste. 
  There is also the simplicity factor as well. So I was just curious if anyone thought that a good sweet coleslaw on a good Nathans dog would qualify as a "slaw dog". Thanks
  

 
DQ uses the same dog as I did, now what you call their sauce is a chili. There are so many variations, thin sauce to thick and spicy to mild. A good chili in your area, good dog and a good slaw
would be over the top. Do not make a to creamy slaw, runny slaw on a dog is a turn off. Bun, dog, Brn. Mustard, chili, slaw and onions. I will take 6. LOL
No really Slaw dogs are big here. But the slaw is spicy and complements the dog or BBQ. It is not a slaw you put on a plate as sidedish like cole slaw.
 
BillyB
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 08:22:49
    this is a "Detroit coney Island dog" Give me Cheap any day of the week, I'll take it, extra onions please...............I hired a Chef friday and the first thing I told him was, our menu is designed to meet the needs and wants of our customers. I design a menu and then retool it to fit the requests and needs of my customers, the menu is never what I want.
  The thing I like about offering Chili is, it opens the menu to a few different items, in your case you could offer a, Chilidog, Chili Cheese dog, Chili slaw dog.............Billyb
Curbside Grill
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 08:32:28

BillyB  when where you at my cart. Where you the one that laughed when I handed them a 'Spork' and 5 Napkins. LOL
 
I never did a branded dog, but the condiments where over the top. More people can afford. I sold Dogs and Sausages.
Thats it. Think of it as a Good Bleu Cheese sauce on a Great Steak. Or Sauteed mushrooms too.
Maybe I'm different but I always listened to my Customers. They told me what they wanted.
post edited by Curbside Grill - 2010/07/05 08:45:22
BillyB
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 08:41:32
Curbside Grill

BillyB  when where you at my cart. Where you the one that laughed when I handed them a 'Spork' and 5 Napkins. LOL


I was the guy that ordered the mustard slaw dog, and ran away without paying, I tripped and fell on my spork......Billyb
Curbside Grill
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 08:50:06
BillyB

Curbside Grill

BillyB  when where you at my cart. Where you the one that laughed when I handed them a 'Spork' and 5 Napkins. LOL


I was the guy that ordered the mustard slaw dog, and ran away without paying, I tripped and fell on my spork......Billyb

 
So you are the one LOL   
20 slaw dogs with onions.


post edited by Curbside Grill - 2010/07/05 09:13:57
MikeinRI
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 10:01:45
Curbside Grill

Maybe I'm different but I always listened to my Customers. They told me what they wanted.

 
Worth repeating.
Matt Gleason
Health Inspector
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 10:03:41
I know many people swear by their brand of CANNED sauce, I prefer to make my own and many well established places make their own too.

Bottom line, it's your cart and your area... try the slaw and see how it goes.
TrentonDog
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 11:22:04
Hot Dog King

I know many people swear by their brand of CANNED sauce, I prefer to make my own and many well established places make their own too.

Bottom line, it's your cart and your area... try the slaw and see how it goes.


Health dept. regulations prevent me from preparing my own sauce, so my chili and cheese comes out of a #10 can. (Chef Mate) I add a few things to the chili, but leave the cheese alone. If people wanted slaw as a topping, I'd have to buy a commercially made slaw.
 
Around here, Chili and Cheese are by far the most popular. I thought sauerkraut was going to be big, but now I only have the kraut single packs for the few that request it rather than open and waste a large bag.
 
 
DelaDog
Junior Burger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 11:27:40
myway

Hi everyone, thanks for the replies. Well it is hard to find a sauce that goes with a good quality beef dog. You see around our neck of the woods, almost every vendor, diner, resturant, buys the cheapest dogs that they can get. Most of them are cheap mixed meat varieties They are not qualtiy at all, let lone good taste. Most of these folks come up with some type of sauce to cover up their lack of a good dog. We are trying to break out beyond that. There are a couple of places that are starting to carry all beef dogs now. I think things are starting to change a little. Finding a good sauce is not easy. Dairy Queen, They have a great all beef hot dog, but their sauce is a little to strong for my taste.
   There is also the simplicity factor as well. So I was just curious if anyone thought that a good sweet coleslaw on a good Nathans dog would qualify as a "slaw dog". Thanks
  

Try adding a little spice to it and differenciate.  I am taste testing right now and on of my biggiest fans is someone who can't stand anything spicy.  Also with today's fast pace world the more lively or spicy the food the better.  This may be the reason why Mexican restauranst have grown so much within the last decade.
lornaschinske
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 11:36:06
Major Weiner

lornaschinke,

Don't you think that comment is uncalled fore? I mean really! That was just rude. Would like him commenting about your family?

I did not mean to insult the wife but she is insulting every customer they have (or don't have) who would like to have chili on their dog. I know that I would not make a second trip to their cart if I was informed that I could not have chili if I wanted it and always had chili on my dog. And I probably wouldn't place an order in the first place as far as that goes (I'm unreasonable and bitchy like that I guess).  After all she is saying that she knows what they should eat better than they do. I think it is presumptuous for someone who is selling food to a person to tell that person how to eat it. I remember hearing about a restaurant in Stuart FL (we used to live there) that had a cook (chef) actually remove a plate of food from in front of a customer because they put catchup on their steak.  Needless to say we never ate at that restaurant, nor did many others.  The cook (chef) was eventually fired and the restaurant closed... too much bad publicity (it became a joke around town).

We let our CUSTOMERS choose what is on their dog, sausages and BBQ sandwiches.  If asked we will make a suggestion (like with our new smoked chicken sausages) but we don't say... No you can't have that because we think it "cheapens" the dog, etc. Personally, I think that putting chili, sauerkraut, sweet relish, dill pickle chips, onions, and cheese is a bit much for a BBQ sandwich (and we don't charge extra for all those toppings) but we have folks who love their BBQ that way.It's their stomachs and their taste buds.  We even have a guy who will only eat his dogs "naked"... buys two of them (sometimes more) every day. He says if the dog is good, you don't need extra stuff.  But that is him and he is right.  We have others who consistently want every condiment/topping we have on the hot dog, every time they order.  Good for them.  They are right to do so. 

Your chili sauce should compliment the dog not overwhelm it. Chili is a condiment.  Condiments are meant to compliment the food is is served on/with not overpower it. Perhaps your wife has only had overpowering chili.  You have to match your dog with your chili. Now we do not offer Green or Red Chili that is plopped on everything here... but I am allergic to many kinds of peppers (I don't feel like tossing my cookies all day long) and we don't have an room left on our cold table for more condiments.
Tasty Dogs
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 11:40:56
I have a bunch of those Franks Kraut packets. If I kept a couple in my steam pan, would that work? And is it cheesy to charge extra for kraut? I'd rather say I don't carry it than add that much cost to a dog. Am adding two 1/6 pans for nacho cheese and chili, so don't have room for bulk kraut. Also, What is the best cheese and chili to buy at Sam's or Costco? I'm a little off the slaw question, but this is close.

Jerry
Tasty Dogs
BillyB
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 12:08:44
You could buy a #10 can of Kraut for $5 or $6, or a small jar for $1.50. why not keep a small tupperware container of Kraut in your ice chest. When you have  a request, put a portion of kraut in a 1qt ziplock bag and put it in your hot dog cooking water, it will only take a minute to heat. This will be a more cost effective way to offer this condiment......BillyB
post edited by BillyB - 2010/07/05 12:09:57
Curbside Grill
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 12:18:50
Give me a dog with sweet potato mustard and Bleu cheese slaw any day.
tcrouzer
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 12:39:24
Hot Dog consumer here! Tastes differ around the country, but I like just about any hot dog from anywhere as long as the dog is good quality, the bun is fresh and soft, and the toppings offered have at least a couple of items that I like.

In my area of the South, we don't call them "slaw" dogs - you can have a dog with just mustard and slaw, or you can have a dog "all the way" (mustard, chili, slaw, and onions) or "ATW - hold the onions" or other configurations, but you usually don't see a "slaw dog" on the menu. It is considered one of the condiments. And we don't have coney sauce, we have chili sauce that goes on our hot dogs.

If you do get slaw to offer, try to find a brand that is as simple as possible, slaw, mayo, vinegar, salt, pepper and maybe some sugar. But not a really sweet slaw and not too watery. A sickly sweet slaw that soaks the bun and causes the whole thing to fall apart is bad, bad, bad. Just some views from a consumer - who is not satisfied with the dogs for sell in her town so she makes her own slaw and chili!
Matt Gleason
Health Inspector
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 13:15:05
Tasty Dogs

I have a bunch of those Franks Kraut packets. If I kept a couple in my steam pan, would that work? And is it cheesy to charge extra for kraut? I'd rather say I don't carry it than add that much cost to a dog. Am adding two 1/6 pans for nacho cheese and chili, so don't have room for bulk kraut. Also, What is the best cheese and chili to buy at Sam's or Costco? I'm a little off the slaw question, but this is close.

Jerry
Tasty Dogs

Sam's brand Aged Cheddar Cheese Sauce is a good product.  Sam's offers a hot dog sauce in a bag but it is usually only available through their catalog.
Russ Jackson
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/05 14:47:51
BillyB

    this is a "Detroit coney Island dog" Give me Cheap any day of the week, I'll take it, extra onions please...............I hired a Chef friday and the first thing I told him was, our menu is designed to meet the needs and wants of our customers. I design a menu and then retool it to fit the requests and needs of my customers, the menu is never what I want.
  The thing I like about offering Chili is, it opens the menu to a few different items, in your case you could offer a, Chilidog, Chili Cheese dog, Chili slaw dog.............Billyb

 
I have never known Detroit to ever use a cheap dog. Always top quality either a Koegel or Dearborn Sausage. Natural casing is the norm....Russ
 
By the way if anyone serves a Hot Dog like the one pictured they will succeed.
 
If You Don't Listen To Your Customers .....Someone Else Will!

post edited by Russ Jackson - 2010/07/05 14:49:58
georgiadogs
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/06 16:47:08
The way we do our slaw is to finely chop cabbage in a blender, squeeze out the water then add a little mayo for creamy wetness and salt and pepper to taste. We go through abput 6 cabbages a week. We do have alot of people that will add chili under the slaw but we don't use any kind of sauce underneath, but I will fix it anyway the customer wants it.
runswithbeer
Junior Burger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/06 17:17:51
georgiadogs

The way we do our slaw is to finely chop cabbage in a blender, squeeze out the water then add a little mayo for creamy wetness and salt and pepper to taste. We go through abput 6 cabbages a week. We do have alot of people that will add chili under the slaw but we don't use any kind of sauce underneath, but I will fix it anyway the customer wants it.

 
I believe they are calling chili, sauce.
Me, I would be different, nothing but ketchup. Only thing you could get with your dog.
 
But it is after the holidays and things will return to normal. Sightings of Michael Jackson working at a 7-11 in North Dakota and
people seeing Elvis and Roy Orbison riding in a Limo.
Pass the relish.
mikotron
Junior Burger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/08 11:05:23
Curbside Grill

Give me a dog with sweet potato mustard and Bleu cheese slaw any day.

What's Bleu Cheese slaw?

BillyB
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/08 12:21:29
IMHO, put a spicy/tangy slaw on a plain dog, put a mild slaw on a spicy/hot chilidog........I don't think a mayo based plain tasting slaw, will do anything for a plain dog..............BillyB
bdtn
Hamburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/08 14:31:12
firat  chili slaw dog i had was in atlanta i thougt my  first cook was playing a joke on me. it was delicious. the slaw was like a kfc chopped slaw.
i have been eating them ever since then about 25 years it used to be only in the south now you see them every where.
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/08 17:31:05
In much of the South, and certainly Tennessee, there are chili dogs, slaw dogs, and chili slaw dogs.  I love all three.  The perfect slaw, in my view, is that which is served at The Varsity; very similar to KFC slaw, only a little less sweet (thankfully).  Hopefully, there are no beans in hot dog chili.
lornaschinske
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/08 18:42:31
The first slaw dog I never had was in Franklin NC and I was 5 years old.  My Dad ordered a "Plain hot dog" for me.  What I got was a plain hot dog... with chili and coleslaw on it. The no mayo, vinegar based variety... that's not coleslaw to me now and it certainly wasn't when I was 5... which I had no intention of eating.  After 15 minutes of "that's a plain hot dog", "No it's not", my Dad told the idiot that if he couldn't put a hot dog on a bun with nothing else and give it to me, my Dad would "help" him.  Did I mention I was my father's favourite?

You know, that might be part of the reason David & I are so particular about customers getting their food the way they want it, especially kids.  I never got any sandwich prepared the way I wanted it (hamburgers, hot dogs, BBQ) but always the way the restaurant gave it to me.  I hated eating in restaurants for many years.  When David met me and we were dating, he ran into my problem with restaurants and food "my way".  He got real tired of going back to BK (and lots of other burger joints) because I ordered a "cheese burger with only ketchup on it".  Somehow they could never get it right in less than 3 tries (sometimes the 4th try was right but it usually was the 5th or 6th).

Now I just get really bitchy about it (after being nice on the first mistake). And if it's too big of a deal... we just never go back to that restaurant. I understand making a mistake once but to repeatedly have to remake the same meal shows a lack of professionalism on the part of the restaurant and it's staff.  If they are that pitiful in filling an order, where else are they slacking?
post edited by lornaschinske - 2010/07/08 18:45:12
BillyB
Filet Mignon
Re:Slaw dogs 2010/07/09 05:33:19
GGGEEEZZZZ Lorna I knew you were a hand full, but I didn't know it started at birth,..............never had a slaw dog, and proud of it......Billyb
djtomatoe
Cheeseburger
Re:Slaw dogs 2012/12/16 12:55:49
i make my slaw and serve it on dogs topped with bbq sauce..great seller.
sauces don't cheapen your dog.....they ad dimension.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Slaw dogs 2012/12/17 01:08:07
mikotron
Curbside Grill
Give me a dog with sweet potato mustard and Bleu cheese slaw any day.

What's Bleu Cheese slaw?

Coleslaw made with Blue Cheese Dressing instead of Mayo.