Wisconsin now smoke-free

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ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
2010/07/06 13:02:57
(This post is not intended to foster any kind of debate; it is informational only.)
 
Yesterday (July 5) Wisconsin's ban on indoor smoking in bars and restaurants went into effect.  I'm pretty sure everybody who lives here is aware of it but if anyone from MN, IA, or IL has been putting off a dining trip because the destination wasn't smoke-free...well, now's your chance to come here and spend money!
 
Personally, I'm eyeing a trip up to Green Bay for a visit to Al's.
http://packerland.blogspot.com/2007/10/als-hamburgers-since-1934.html
http://www.squidoo.com/als-hamburger-shop-in-green-bay-wisconsin
 
Brad
ALLGOOD
Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 13:12:52
Yes, it went into effect. . . However, if you visit an Indian-run casino or property, the ban doesn't apply.  Tribal law actually trumps US law so any Indian-run property (must be tribal owned) does not have to comply to the new rules.  My guess would be that the casinos will be doing a bang-up business shortly.
ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 13:24:30
Thanks for pointing that out; I'd forgotten about it.  I did read where one of the tribes is trying a no-smoking policy in a couple of its casinos.

Brad
highcard
Junior Burger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 13:27:04
Just canceled a trip to Mineral Point...going to the Missouri ozarks instead.
Russ Jackson
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 13:37:00
I am a lifetime non smoker. But I still have a problem with the government telling them they cannot smoke in there own place. Especially a bar. ...Russ
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 19:26:41
Nothing will change. Minnesota has had a smoke free law for a few years now. Initially there will be some hand wringing, anecdotal examples of problems, and opinions like the Indian casinos gaining business and taking business elsewhere. After a while it will all shake out and go on as before, except smoke free. Wisconsin can't even use the alarm excuse they will lose business to Minnesota as Minnesotans tried to claim with Wisconsin.

Russ, It isn't the government, it is the people that have spoken. Elected representatives by the people made this decision. A restaurant or bar is a public place. Since smokers are less than a quarter of the people more people were harmed. In a democracy, majority rules.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 20:09:41
The last time I smoked was at 9:30 a.m. on Jan. 2, 1993. But making it illegal to smoke in a bar or restaurant is enough to keep me from wanting to be there.
 
I'm sure some will cheer that.
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 21:45:54
  I was cooking in a greasy little neighborhood bar when our ban started, and I'll tell ya, I never saw Barflies get so TAN! 
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 21:49:12
Maybe Gahanna Ohio will become a destination point for Wisconsin smokers.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 21:55:09
MilwFoodlovers

Maybe Gahanna Ohio will become a destination point for Wisconsin smokers.

All of Ohio is dictatorially smoke free.

enginecapt
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 21:57:49
It took a trip to the local Indian casino last month to remind me of how accustomed I've become to the lack of cigarette smoke in the air.
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 22:53:32
Michael Hoffman

MilwFoodlovers

Maybe Gahanna Ohio will become a destination point for Wisconsin smokers.

All of Ohio is dictatorially smoke free.
 
..But making it illegal to smoke in a bar or restaurant is enough to keep me from wanting to be there....

Do you not go out any longer?
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 23:15:19
Michael Hoffman

MilwFoodlovers

Maybe Gahanna Ohio will become a destination point for Wisconsin smokers.

All of Ohio is dictatorially smoke free.





Michael, is Ohio a dictatorship?
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 23:25:15
I smoked my last cigarette at 9:00 PM on September 20, 1971. At the dentist that morning, I was told I had a pre-cancerous condition in my mouth from smoking. And, If I continued to smoke......

Best thing I ever did for myself and my family.


Thank goodness Dallas went smoke free a few years ago. That's the best thing Dallas could do for me and, my family.
mamaduck43
Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/06 23:52:56
Went to Basils II in Fontenoy today to treat my Colorado kids to the best burgers in the area and we really didn't notice the difference until we were walking out...  Didn't seem to be anyone grumbling about it, and the burgers were as good as can be.... 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 00:19:38
MilwFoodlovers

Michael Hoffman

MilwFoodlovers

Maybe Gahanna Ohio will become a destination point for Wisconsin smokers.

All of Ohio is dictatorially smoke free.
 
..But making it illegal to smoke in a bar or restaurant is enough to keep me from wanting to be there....

Do you not go out any longer?

I do not.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 00:20:34
Twinwillow

Michael Hoffman

MilwFoodlovers

Maybe Gahanna Ohio will become a destination point for Wisconsin smokers.

All of Ohio is dictatorially smoke free.





Michael, is Ohio a dictatorship?

For the time being.
jeepguy
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 03:16:06
Hopefully WI will be getting the red light cameras next.
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 05:06:34
I'm very happy to see that Wisconsin has joined Illinois among the ranks of smoke-free states, and I sure hope Indiana will do likewise in the not too distant future.
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 09:55:12
They have had this in Florida for several years buts it a bit confusing. Something about bars only can allow smoking.
Rusty246
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 10:45:24
ces1948

They have had this in Florida for several years buts it a bit confusing. Something about bars only can allow smoking.


I think it's something like if your food sales is "x" percent there is no smoking allowed.  I go to lunch often at "Gator City", it has two sections, although not divided per say. The front is all tables and booths, no smoking but walk five foot further back and there  is a bar area with tables as well, you can smoke while eating/drinking the same menu items as those in the "front" section. I work at UF, they just passed a "smoke free" campus "law" although it's not law.  No citations will be given.  They're relying on peer pressure.  I'm 49 and a smoker........yes, I'm still smoking on campus although not a freely as before and not as often.  I respect this "law" somewhat. It makes me kind of laugh thinking that some college "kid" might say something to me. I would be embarrassed....
Russ Jackson
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 11:01:44
Public owned areas I agree should be smoke free. If a guy wants to have a smoker friendly bar in his building he should be able to. Adults do not have to go to it if its a problem. The restaurant thing has merit as children do not have a choice. But remember you are all gonna die some time. Wether its a high fat low fiber diet or smoking sooner or later your time will come. With each day that passes more of our freedom is taken away. When and where will it stop? At over $8 dollars a pack in New York you should be able to smoke anywhere you want.

Off Topic:

My tax dollars paid for a cop to sit in the middle of the freeway every couple of miles between Cleveland Ohio and Columbus every couple miles on Friday afternoon 7/2 and again on Monday 7/5. I counted 34 cops in a 120 mile stretch of I-71 on 7/5....Russ
susanll
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 11:14:07
In Tennessee, you can designate your restaurant as 21  years old.  Then smoking is allowed, but no minors.
MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 13:40:55
Russ Jackson

Public owned areas I agree should be smoke free.
 


So, you believe that, say, a street corner should be smoke free?  Highways?  The ocean?
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 14:18:03
susanll

In Tennessee, you can designate your restaurant as 21  years old.  Then smoking is allowed, but no minors.


I lived in Tennessee when this became law. A somewhat surprising number of places declared themselves 21 and over. A few were just cafe type meat and three places. Never saw any followup about whether these places survived.
Big Ugly Mich
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 14:39:15
Russ Jackson I am a lifetime non smoker. But I still have a problem with the government telling them they cannot smoke in there own place. Especially a bar. ...Russ
How about if someone smokes crack cocaine or marijuana?

Big Ugly Mich
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 14:40:26
ALLGOOD Yes, it went into effect. . . However, if you visit an Indian-run casino or property, the ban doesn't apply.  Tribal law actually trumps US law so any Indian-run property (must be tribal owned) does not have to comply to the new rules.  My guess would be that the casinos will be doing a bang-up business shortly.
The reason for that is simplicity in itself. Casinos contribute to political campaigns!

MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 18:34:00
Next will be real BBQ.
sk bob
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 19:12:30
another  state down.

I mourn.

freedoms torn down by the day


hold on to your guns, they're next.

then rely on the gov't to save you
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 22:22:24
 
sk bob

another  state down.

I mourn.

freedoms torn down by the day


hold on to your guns, they're next.

then rely on the gov't to save you

I hate the jackboot pressing on my neck.
I want the freedom to drive as fast as I want, maybe while blindfolded.
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/07 23:52:06
MilwFoodlovers

 
I want the freedom to drive as fast as I want, maybe while blindfolded.


Kindly stay at least three carlengths away from my car if you do!


  
MikeS.
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 14:38:04
Russ Jackson

I am a lifetime non smoker. But I still have a problem with the government telling them they cannot smoke in there own place. Especially a bar. ...Russ


I completely agree with Russ.
ChuckL50
Hamburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 16:44:38
Meh.
In 3 months everyone will wonder why the fuss.
And some people will be able to go into some great bars and restaurants that they couldn't before for the first time.

Last smoke 10/25/09 9:00 p.m.
stanpnepa
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 17:22:07
In PA, the smokers whined about it for awhile - and now seem happy to go outside.  Except in the dead of winter and exceptionally hot days like this week.

Now, the business owners are whining - and the rules have "relaxed" a bit - especially in bars, etc.   Bad business could really could be attributed more to the crummy economy than the ban - but some bars with food have found ways to allow smoking here and there.

I am expressing my FREEDOM to not patronize any place that allows smoking. 
Jim2903
Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 17:47:26
stanpnepa

I am expressing my FREEDOM to not patronize any place that allows smoking. 

 
That's exactly how it should be. However, in states with smoking bans, people no longer have the freedom to patronize places that do allow smoking. The freedom to avoid smoking existed before, but it's no longer a two-way street.
 
Interesting, before the statewide ban in Illinois, as individual towns enacted their own smoking bans, turned out that the vast majority of establishments were already voluntarily smoke free. So the ban just removed the freedom of a handful of business owners to allow smoking and, as fewer people smoke, serve a niche clientele.

post edited by Jim2903 - 2010/07/08 17:49:24
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 18:31:24
  I'm not at all sure on the specifics, but somewhere around the Twin Cities there are supposed to be a few/several "Smoke-easys"  I suppose that was bound to happen...
stanpnepa
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 18:41:23
On a footnote, what a joy it is to go to gastro-pubs that have BANNED smoking.  The ban has given us (as noted above) far more eating options.  No more watery eyes / scratchy throats and the sudden need to go home and get right in the shower.
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 19:41:16
If I walked into a bar or restaurant and started to fart my brains out, and it smelled like my insides were dead, would everyone be ok with that?
ChiTownDiner
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 19:57:30
joerogo

If I walked into a bar or restaurant and started to fart my brains out, and it smelled like my insides were dead, would everyone be ok with that?


Is that a challenge?
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 22:01:40
So I'll solicit some opinions here. Tonight I was at a baseball game and there is no smoking allowed in the stadium. There was guy down the row from me who just puffing away. I am not the type of person that would have confronted him directly (at least not without several more beers) Should I have told the staff about it? (I didn't I just moved)
post edited by ces1948 - 2010/07/08 22:06:57
stanpnepa
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/08 23:29:05
Joe Rogo,
Do I have the freedom to bring my pet skunk to dinner?
He likes Garbage Plates.
enginecapt
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 00:03:21
ces1948

So I'll solicit some opinions here. Tonight I was at a baseball game and there is no smoking allowed in the stadium. There was guy down the row from me who just puffing away. I am not the type of person that would have confronted him directly (at least not without several more beers) Should I have told the staff about it? (I didn't I just moved)

I would have just moved as well. I'm not the snitching type, unless I'm seeing somebody being disemboweled or something.
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 05:32:57
stanpnepa

Joe Rogo,
Do I have the freedom to bring my pet skunk to dinner?
He likes Garbage Plates.
 


Exactly!


ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 10:51:08
ces1948

So I'll solicit some opinions here. Tonight I was at a baseball game and there is no smoking allowed in the stadium. There was guy down the row from me who just puffing away. I am not the type of person that would have confronted him directly (at least not without several more beers) Should I have told the staff about it? (I didn't I just moved)


Major or minor league?  The Milwaukee Brewers now have a system where misbehaving fans can be reported via texting to reduce the chances of a confrontation and I suspect a lot of other MLB teams do as well.
 
I would've discreetly pointed him out to someone and I'm kind of surprised no one in his immediate vicinity did so, at least while you were there.
 
We went to a newly smoke-free bar & grill last night for dinner and the food was pretty good, although the kitchen cooked my medium-rare burger a little too close to medium.  Thanks to the Arena Premium on tap I was able to deal with it.
 
Brad
post edited by Brad_Olson - 2010/07/09 10:55:43
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 12:33:58
Mrs MFL and I are off to a blues bar tonight that we haven't been to in years because of the smoke. The door swings both ways you know.
ALLGOOD
Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 13:18:31
Brad's last comment about the beer on tap made me think of something.  I AM a smoker.  Yes, I am one of THEM.  I do NOT like to smoke where I or anyone else is eating.  I do, however, like to smoke at the tavern.  If I am smoking, I am actuall not drinking excessively since my hands are busy with a cig.  However, if I can't smoke in a tavern now, I will be forced to drink more.  I think it possible that our wonderful Gov. Doyle is getting kickbacks from breweries.  That would make sense.  AND, if I can smoke in a casino, which I never ever ever go into, maybe I'll start going to the casino..why not get me hooked on yet another vice that will line Doyle's pockets in the long run..... Maybe the plan is that once smokers lose enough money gambling, they won't be able to affor the $8.00 plus per pack cigs in WI.
DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 13:40:35
How about being forbidden to smoke in your own home? One of the local tv stations has an ask a lawyer type segment that a woman claims the smoke from adjoining condos are interfering with her health. According to the lawyer, she can sue for "private nuisance" and the judge can order the neigbors not to smoke and pay for the damages per precedent.

Few years ago, similar situation with a woman who claimed respiratory problems from a neighbor that BBQ'd.

http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/helpmehoward/MI89140/


mbrookes
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 13:43:21
Not the same, Milw. We all have to use the same highways,
but we choose our eating and drinking establishments. If you feel endangered, don't go there. I abhor the eroding of freedoms one by one.
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 13:57:04
Oh, please.  Who or what is "eroding" your freedom to smoke in a restaurant or bar  in Mississippi?  As I understand it, the state-wide ban only applies to government buildings, and it's a local option to enact any other smoking ban. 
 
(If I am incorrect about that, I apologize.)
 
But, assuming that is correct, if someone is eroding your freedom in Mississippi, it is presumably your LOCAL elected representatives.  If you don't agree, vote 'em out.  That's the American way.

I agree it is wise to be diligent about watching over those who serve in government office.  And I also agree that if government officials were really serious about banning smoking, they'd ban the sale of cigarettes. Controlling the use of a "legal" product bothers me, as a lawyer.
 
But they won't ban the sale of cigarettes, because they don't want to deal with a black market and they don't want to give up the tobacco tax revenues. 
 
Having said that, the rhetoric about smoking bans signaling the end of democracy drives me crazy.  There are a lot more serious assaults on our freedom to worry about than a smoking ban.

And, for the record, I'm one who likes the smoking bans very much (as you might expect).  I especially like them in the United Kingdom, where I can now go into pubs, which I thoroughly enjoy, and which I couldn't do previously because of my sensitivity to smoke. 
Jim2903
Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 14:02:16
I think the definition of "public place" has been perverted. A truly public place is one that is financed by tax dollars. Restaurants and bars are not really "public" places in the true sense of the word; they are private businesses into which the public is invited under certain conditions (e.g. "no shirt, no shoes, no service"; must purchase something). As such, business owners should have the right to determine whether or not to allow an otherwise legal activity on their premises. The market was working just fine on its own in meeting demand for smoke-free establishments without the government getting involved. Loss of business is incentive enough for an owner to change his policies, and any entrepreneur who can't grasp that doesn't deserve to be in business anyway.
post edited by Jim2903 - 2010/07/09 14:03:23
MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 15:18:09
DawnT

How about being forbidden to smoke in your own home? One of the local tv stations has an ask a lawyer type segment that a woman claims the smoke from adjoining condos are interfering with her health. According to the lawyer, she can sue for "private nuisance" and the judge can order the neigbors not to smoke and pay for the damages per precedent.

Few years ago, similar situation with a woman who claimed respiratory problems from a neighbor that BBQ'd.

http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/helpmehoward/MI89140/


I remember years ago reading about some woman in a condo complaining about cigarette smoke from an apartment on another floor!
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/09 15:54:03
I work for a larger healthcare operation who also happen to own duplexes, houses and an apt building. There is no smoking allowed in any of them.
@Jim2093
My wife and I just came back from the Quad Cities and I was surprised to see that in Illinois, not only couldn't you smoke in the bars and restaurants, there was a sign that forbade you from smoking within 15 feet of any door.
 
@ ALLGOOD,
Reservations and Native casinos are sovereign land protected by treaties and they can set their own policies. Right now that means you can smoke, so go for it if you want. Also, Doyle is a lame duck and no one funnels money into someone that no longer can help them. You want to drive 75 on the highway, vote in someone that agrees with you. The people spoke and voted in politicos that followed their wishes and said no more to smoke in bars and restaurants. You're free to run and/or to vote in smoking friendly politicians. For something so very unhealthy, you'll find it impossible I'd guess. A bar is slicensed amd most follow the law. They are free to find a new line of work. We don't let naked customers or live sex shows in our bars do we? I realize that's the government telling randy bar owners they can't  be "free".
 
I used to smoke so I'm very understanding what a hardship not smoking where and when you want but I'm also now far more educated as to the dangers of smoking and I do think it should be banned. Our "leaders" ARE hypocrites and are addicted too, but for them it is to the income that you poor people pay in taxes.
post edited by MilwFoodlovers - 2010/07/09 16:01:02
stricken_detective
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/12 20:44:15
there was a sign that forbade you from smoking within 15 feet of any door.


Smoking in bars/restaurants, meh. I would like to see this sign you mentioned IN FRONT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

Every time. EVERY. TIME. I have an appointment there, some other patient is outside having a smoke. I wish Joe was close enough to come fart on them. " />
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/13 12:53:04
stricken_detective

there was a sign that forbade you from smoking within 15 feet of any door.


Smoking in bars/restaurants, meh. I would like to see this sign you mentioned IN FRONT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

Every time. EVERY. TIME. I have an appointment there, some other patient is outside having a smoke. I wish Joe was close enough to come fart on them. " />

 


 




ChiTownDiner
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/13 14:13:59
I beleive Joe has long range, stealth capabilities!
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/13 21:05:22
ChiTownDiner

I beleive Joe has long range, stealth capabilities!
 


At least I'm in good good company http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LAA9SK2sM4


ynotryme
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/14 00:01:44
post edited by ynotryme - 2010/07/14 00:04:07
ynotryme
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/14 00:02:18
Smokers were the first to be heavily taxes and no one said wait  it's not fair. well now it's those that use tanning beds taxed at 10%. In a county in California, they've outlawed toys in happy meals. Soft drinks taxes have been proposed at 10 cents an ounce  are next. As you applaud the right of smokers to be diminished, even though nonsmokers have the right not to choose to eat in those establishments, beware as to what is coming to take away your rights too! 
ynotryme
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/14 00:10:59
Jim2903

I think the definition of "public place" has been perverted. A truly public place is one that is financed by tax dollars. Restaurants and bars are not really "public" places in the true sense of the word; they are private businesses into which the public is invited under certain conditions (e.g. "no shirt, no shoes, no service"; must purchase something). As such, business owners should have the right to determine whether or not to allow an otherwise legal activity on their premises. The market was working just fine on its own in meeting demand for smoke-free establishments without the government getting involved. Loss of business is incentive enough for an owner to change his policies, and any entrepreneur who can't grasp that doesn't deserve to be in business anyway.

I'm one of those guys that caused" no shoes no shirts no service" signs to appear. GRIN
stricken_detective
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Wisconsin now smoke-free 2010/07/14 13:35:16
Those signs say NOTHING about NO PANTS, hahaha.