Hoagie or Sub?

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ChrisOC
Double Chili Cheeseburger
2010/09/20 12:41:05
Since I grew up in Philly, I call this sandwich a hoagie.  The place that made it, Voltaco's here in Ocean City calls this a small Italian Sub.
By any name it was mighty tasty.

ALLGOOD
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 12:58:00
In WI, we call them subs or grinders.  No hoagies here.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 13:09:10
In the civilized world they are called subs or grinders.
John Fox
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 14:28:51
Subs.
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 15:20:31
I'd call it a sub.  Looks fabulous.
leethebard
Sirloin
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 15:23:22
Subs, here along the Jersey shore!
Greymo
Filet Mignon
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 15:53:40
I showed the  picture to my 12 year old grandaughter and asked her what she would say it is.  Her response was  "A sub with too much lettuce."
post edited by Greymo - 2010/09/20 16:12:17
Mosca
Filet Mignon
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 16:27:16
Hoagies here... but we make no pretense of being civilized, so it fits.
 
 
AndreaB
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 16:30:51
We call them subs here, and that one looks nice!
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 16:33:13
Out here, we can't make up our minds so--- We call them
Suogies!
acer2x
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 16:42:50
Hoagies in the Philly, eastern PA, DE and south NJ areas except for Norristown where they're known as Zeps. Subs in the Atlantic City area and elsewhere in the US. I always thought Grinders originated in the New England area.
ynotryme
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 16:43:37
subs thus subway but a rose by any other name
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 16:45:56
Great looking Sub, I'd dive on that in a second!
bartl
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 17:18:18
Heroes.
Jim2903
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 17:41:44
Sangwiches
cavandre
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 17:43:01
Also known as a wedge.
plb
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 17:46:54
Po-boy
NYPIzzaNut
Filet Mignon
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 21:27:59
bartl

Heroes.
That is what we called them usually in Yonkers.


cementhead
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/20 21:56:08
Usually subs but the barbarians to the east occasionally influence us and hoagie is used.
rebeltruce
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 07:48:18
Subs or Hoagie was acceptable in Central Pa.....
ChrisOC
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 08:39:27
Here is a "sub" from the Whitehouse in Atlantic City.
 

John Fox
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 08:48:12
Nice. Russo's in Wildwood makes an excellent sub. But they call it a hoagie. A great cheesesteak as well. I wear a tee shirt I bought from them and when I wear it here I'm asked what a hoagie is.
 
Seems like it's called a hoagie in PA and South Jersey (although some places like AC called it a sub), a sub in the rest of Jersey, a hero in N.Y. and a grinder in New England.
Wistah
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 09:17:43
John Fox

Nice. Russo's in Wildwood makes an excellent sub. But they call it a hoagie. A great cheesesteak as well. I wear a tee shirt I bought from them and when I wear it here I'm asked what a hoagie is.

Seems like it's called a hoagie in PA and South Jersey (although some places like AC called it a sub), a sub in the rest of Jersey, a hero in N.Y. and a grinder in New England.

 
 
Actually I rarely hear the term "grinder" in New England...most people here use "sub" as in "I'm going to make a run to the sub shop".
 
 
ChrisOC
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 10:50:39
When I was stationed in New London Conn. (this was many years ago) what I call a hoagie was a grinder.  In Philly a grinder is a hoagie that has been toasted for a minute or two under the broiler.  Confusing isn't it?
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 11:42:51
ChrisOC

When I was stationed in New London Conn. (this was many years ago) what I call a hoagie was a grinder.  In Philly a grinder is a hoagie that has been toasted for a minute or two under the broiler.  Confusing isn't it?


Considering the sub originated as a sub at a grocery store in Groton where workers at Electric Boat would go for sandwiches on their lunch breaks, I find it strange to think anyone there would call it a grinder. But that aside, in my part of Connecticut all subs were called subs, both hot ones and cold ones. Where my wife was from in Connecticut a hot one was called a grinder while a cold one was a sub.
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 11:48:56
I want to eat a one of those from Hoagieway, oh that's right there isn't a national chain called Hoagieway!
ChrisOC
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 12:06:11
Michael Hoffman

ChrisOC

When I was stationed in New London Conn. (this was many years ago) what I call a hoagie was a grinder.  In Philly a grinder is a hoagie that has been toasted for a minute or two under the broiler.  Confusing isn't it?


Considering the sub originated as a sub at a grocery store in Groton where workers at Electric Boat would go for sandwiches on their lunch breaks, I find it strange to think anyone there would call it a grinder. But that aside, in my part of Connecticut all subs were called subs, both hot ones and cold ones. Where my wife was from in Connecticut a hot one was called a grinder while a cold one was a sub.

I was buying the sandwiches on the base.  Perhaps grinder was the Navy name and not the local.
But speaking of confusing names, how is it that the New London Submarine Base is across the river in Groton?
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 13:11:49
There's an old Pequot legend About the day the Wamauraugnog became angry with a Pequot maiden named Grotonoawig because she refused to give up her human form and become his concubine. In venting his anger the Wamauraugnog thrashed about with such violence that the Thames River was created -- although back then the Pequots named it Wamauraugnogisoakay, which means Holy Snapperblue in Pequot, but was shortened to Thames 200 years later by English settlers who were very lost and didn't know they were no longer in England.
 
But to continue, Wamauraugnog's anger also included a curse that has lasted to this day. It was explained in Pequot lore that on the day a non-Pequot attempted to settle on the east bank of the Wamauraugnogisoakay the curse would cause those living on the west bank and the east bank to become confused often, and in their confusion they would forget on which side of the Wamauraugnogisoakay they happened to be.
 
It is this curse that is believed to be the cause of the United States Naval Base at New London to actually be on the east bank in Groton.
leethebard
Sirloin
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 15:51:56
Michael Hoffman

There's an old Pequot legend About the day the Wamauraugnog became angry with a Pequot maiden named Grotonoawig because she refused to give up her human form and become his concubine. In venting his anger the Wamauraugnog thrashed about with such violence that the Thames River was created -- although back then the Pequots named it Wamauraugnogisoakay, which means Holy Snapperblue in Pequot, but was shortened to Thames 200 years later by English settlers who were very lost and didn't know they were no longer in England.

But to continue, Wamauraugnog's anger also included a curse that has lasted to this day. It was explained in Pequot lore that on the day a non-Pequot attempted to settle on the east bank of the Wamauraugnogisoakay the curse would cause those living on the west bank and the east bank to become confused often, and in their confusion they would forget on which side of the Wamauraugnogisoakay they happened to be.

It is this curse that is believed to be the cause of the United States Naval Base at New London to actually be on the east bank in Groton.

 
Wasn't that just a special on the History channel??
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 16:27:07
Now that I can't say. I've never been a fan of history. In fact, I didn't like history when I was a history teacher.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 17:06:15
How did the natives learn to spell like that??? Michael must have been there to help them! " />" /> Amazing!!
Ev1L
Hamburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 21:41:55
So....you didn't like history as a history teacher....so how did your students fare?
 
Back on topic. Central CT. Grinders or subs. Rarely hoagies.
 
On a personal note, those pictures show a stacked amount of meat. Looks very efficient. I actually prefer my grinder, sub or hoagie to have the meat loosely placed so there are pockets of air. The flavors come out more and it doesn't taste like meat cardboard. I would not like a sub like the ones pictured. Stack it loosely, the flavors do not meld together into something that tastes like a deli meat roll wrapped in lettuce.
 
Again, a personal pet peeve. I do enjoy reading Mr Hoffman's posts so that was just a joke and I meant no disrespect. He is certainly a very entertaining and valued poster. No offense meant Michael.
 
Again, loosely place meat. I need therapy for that...sigh....
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/21 21:47:56
Ev1L

So....you didn't like history as a history teacher....so how did your students fare?

Back on topic. Central CT. Grinders or subs. Rarely hoagies.

On a personal note, those pictures show a stacked amount of meat. Looks very efficient. I actually prefer my grinder, sub or hoagie to have the meat loosely placed so there are pockets of air. The flavors come out more and it doesn't taste like meat cardboard. I would not like a sub like the ones pictured. Stack it loosely, the flavors do not meld together into something that tastes like a deli meat roll wrapped in lettuce.

Again, a personal pet peeve. I do enjoy reading Mr Hoffman's posts so that was just a joke and I meant no disrespect. He is certainly a very entertaining and valued poster. No offense meant Michael.

Again, loosely place meat. I need therapy for that...sigh....

My students did quite well. I kept a Louisville Slugger at my desk at the suggestion of the Brothers. As all of my students were football players, and I was a football coach at the high school, they managed to pick up a few things during the course of the year.


stricken_detective
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/22 14:02:33
ALLGOOD

In WI, we call them subs or grinders.  No hoagies here.


I've never heard "grinder" here...
johnlockedema
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/23 10:51:11
Sub.
MiamiDon
Filet Mignon
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/09/23 15:19:36
Where do wedges fit in?  I thought that was a New England thing, too.
Applecheeks
Hamburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/04 16:57:13
I had the best sub sandwich ever at Parkside Philly Cheesesteaks (yes, the cheesesteaks are great, as well).  12 slices of ham, 6 slices of salami, six slices of provolone cheese, lettuce, tomatoe, onions, oregano and oil and vinegar dressing.  It was on a nice soft italian bread.  Just the way I like it.  The place is on 340 Belleville Ave.  Bellebille, NJ. 
ChrisOC
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 10:59:55
During WWII, workers at the Hog Island Shipyard carried sandwiches for lunch.  These were made with Italian meats and cheese on a big loaf of Italian bread.  (Italian stone cutters I have worked with eat the same thing today)  These sandwiches became known as Hoggies (after Hog Island)  This became corrupted to HOAGIES.
 
So now you know.
ChrisOC
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 11:02:04
Sorry, I neglected to say that the Hog Island Shipyard was on the Delaware River at Philadelphia.
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 11:29:35
Hoagie or Sub:  In the final analysis, I don't care what it's called.  I'd just like to order the sandwich in the blasted picture!
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 11:52:10
In most of the areas of the country we have lived in, or passed thru, the term SUB would be the accepted identifier...(IN the PRE-SUBWAY World !!)  I do recall Grinder being used in Eastern Mass when I was in college, and Hoagie while we were in Central Jersey in the 70's, but the universal definition would be a "SUB"
moneypenny27
Junior Burger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 12:14:31
Being from Long Island, I would call this a very nice looking Italian Hero
blue heaven
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 13:38:58
I am from southwestern Pennsylvannia and we called them hoagies
smokestack lightning
Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 14:37:52
In Highwood Illinois, north of Chicago, in teh 60s there was an amazing shop called the Hoagie Hut. the best hoagies/subs/grinders I have ever had. Found them again about ten years ago in a new location but it was a tired version of what it had been.
X1
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/05 16:55:06
Sub or Po'Boy.
 
Applecheeks
Hamburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/10 01:28:04
 

 
Picture of the sub from Parkside in Belleville, NJ
 
 
ScreenBear
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Hoagie or Sub? 2010/11/10 10:38:16
A rose is a rose is a #3 with salami, proscuitto, ham and provolone,  oil, vinegar, lettuce, tomato, olives, hot peppers, black pepper and oregano, to stay, to be eaten at the window seat with a Coke. Nice to see yuh, Jimmy....hey, who won last night?
 
   The Bear