Bread making

Post
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
2012/02/02 13:52:37
This morning I pulled out my Oyster bread machine.  I made some sourdough bread for breakfast.  I started it at 4:00AM and it was ready by 7:00AM.  Just in time for use with some of Mamaw Smith's strawberry freezer jam and butter with Mello Joy coffee.
 
Outstanding except I wish I could have made it rise more.  I was sorta wondering if I doubled up on the yeast, would it create more air bubbles and rise better?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN 
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 13:58:45
How old was the yeast?  I don't have my bread machine manual handy but I think I recall reading something about older yeast not being as active.
 
What about adding a little bit of honey to give the yeast more to feed on?
 
Brad
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 14:32:57
I do not know the age of the yeast but I just bought it.  Would sugar work better than honey???
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville,tn
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 14:36:39
If you check it right before bake cycle and it is very dry...it is harder to get a rise.

Are you using quick rise or bread machine yeast?
Greymo
Filet Mignon
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 14:42:52
Paul, the best way to use your machine is to  set it on manuel control  (or dough)  When it is finished (1 1/2 hours)  take it out and shape it into loaf and put into greased bread pan.  Cover with towel.  If kitchen is cool, it may take as long as two hours to raise nicely .  I alway set my oven to 150 degrees for two minutes and then turn the oven off.  I then put the bread (covered with towel into oven to raise.  It is usuually ready in one hour done this way
 
Then remove the towel turn oven on to  350 degrees and bake for 40 minutes.  You will have a perfect loaf of bread.  I make bread nearly every day.  I also make  rolls,  hot dog rolls, and hamburger bun using this method.  Everything comes out perfectly this way!
edwmax
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 16:00:44
I had the same problem last weekend.   I made 7 or 8 loaves of bread my bread machine. Only one got a good rise.    ... What I figured out was, the sugar needs to be doubled  2 TBS instead of 1 and more yeast, 1 1/2 tsp instead of 1.    ... The next problem was the tops fell making it sunken.  I think this problem is because of too much Cisco. I will cut this on the next loaf; I believe the amount of water is OK.
 
Salt and oil (Cisco) will retard the yeast action.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 16:40:17
I don't use a bread machine as I make my breads and pizza dough by hand. First and foremost is to use fresh yeast. I keep mine in the refrigerator. Secondly, I use filtered water as the chlorine in tap water can be damaging to yeast. You can do the same letting the water sit for a few hours before using it. The water also has to be warm but not hot. lastly, even though I will use the fast acting bread machine yeast that can be mixed right into the flour, I will premix it with the water and a pinch of sugar for two reasons - one to give it a 10 minute boost before mixing it in with the flour, and two, it is the best way to observe and make sure the yeast is active. With pizza dough I like to ferment the dough ball at least overnight in the fridge. That way you can get by with less yeast so the dough does not taste as yeasty.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 17:10:15
I also don't use a bread machine.  I agree with everything Davydd has said above.  The one thing I learned is to ignore that "let rise 1 1/2 hours or until doubled in bulk".  Forget about the time.  Temperature, humidity and altitude have a lot to do with yeast.  Sometimes it has taken my dough 3 hours to double.  Just be patient. 
 
But then there was the time I decided to capture wild yeast in the air.......no, I won't go into that here.
 
Guess I never thought of getting a bread machine because my great-grandmother, grandfather and mother all made it by hand.   
Greymo
Filet Mignon
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 17:33:56
I love my bread machine.  Being a household engineer in a family of 6, with 2 loads of laundry to do every day, transporting kids to sports, dentist appointments , etc, I need to save all the time  that I can.  The bread machine makes it feasible for me to bake 90 percent of our bread products.  I would hate to give it up. Oh yes, I also make wonderful meals for the family.
post edited by Greymo - 2012/02/02 17:35:20
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 18:50:11
lleechef
But then there was the time I decided to capture wild yeast in the air.......no, I won't go into that here.

 
Alaskan Wild Yeast??
 
Some of the best sourdough I have ever et came from Alaska, and a VERY old starter.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/02 19:17:42
Delicious little pretzel bites are a favorite thanks to the bread machine dough setting.
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/03 18:12:42
One Thing...if you ARE going to use a bread machine...............ok.2 things. With Sourdough, set it for the longest process you have.usually whole wheat.......and.sometimes..it's worth re-starting after the first knead.  Second......Sugar will work better than honey with the yeast.
 
Extra Yeast...not gonna make much difference
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/04 18:02:39
CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/04 18:29:06
lleechef

CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.

 
awaiting the story with fire extinguisher handy
Tex-Max
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/04 20:49:46
I am not allowed to post a link as of yet but on Yahoodotcom one of the articles is
about using your Microwave as a proofer for dough.  It is #7 on the list. You can find it at
shinedotyahoo.com/shine-food/7-unexpected-uses-for-your-microwave.   It might be
worth a try.  
 
TM  
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/05 10:34:12
CajunKing

lleechef

CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.


awaiting the story with fire extinguisher handy

Trust me, you're going to need it.  It's a gem of a story. 

3 Olives
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/09 18:32:03
Sundancer7

This morning I pulled out my Oyster bread machine.  I made some sourdough bread for breakfast.  I started it at 4:00AM and it was ready by 7:00AM.  Just in time for use with some of Mamaw Smith's strawberry freezer jam and butter with Mello Joy coffee.

Outstanding except I wish I could have made it rise more.  I was sorta wondering if I doubled up on the yeast, would it create more air bubbles and rise better?

Thanks for your thoughts.
If it's sourdough why would you double your yeast? It's either sourdough or yeast..............

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN 


CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/09 20:34:52
Never made sourdough in the bread machine. You need yeast for a sourdough starter.
will_work_4_bbq
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/09 21:25:30
lleechef

CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.

If you tell your story in Nashville, I'll tell my exploding Boston cream pie story.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/10 12:07:15
I bought some special bread flour.  Somehow it is different that just regular flour.  I have made some yeast rolls that were outstanding in a muffin pan.  This morning I made some doughnuts using my deep fryer..  I made the first a little too small and frosted them with powdered sugar, vanilla and water.  The glaze and taste was outstanding however I am making them again with a larger doughnut.  They rise beautiful.
 
I also made some cinnamon rolls from the dough.  I rolled the dough pretty thin, coated the rollout dough with melted unsalted butter, sugar and cinnamon and after they rose, I baked them for about 20 minutes and dipped them in the powdered sugar, water and vanilla.  Very good.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
kevincad
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/10 13:31:29
Davydd

I don't use a bread machine as I make my breads and pizza dough by hand. First and foremost is to use fresh yeast. I keep mine in the refrigerator. Secondly, I use filtered water as the chlorine in tap water can be damaging to yeast. You can do the same letting the water sit for a few hours before using it. The water also has to be warm but not hot. lastly, even though I will use the fast acting bread machine yeast that can be mixed right into the flour, I will premix it with the water and a pinch of sugar for two reasons - one to give it a 10 minute boost before mixing it in with the flour, and two, it is the best way to observe and make sure the yeast is active. With pizza dough I like to ferment the dough ball at least overnight in the fridge. That way you can get by with less yeast so the dough does not taste as yeasty.

What I find interesting is that I brew beer, and the similarities between bread making and beer brewing are amazing! In beer making, good water, good yeast, and correct temps are key, and it looks as though the same could be said of bread!
3 Olives
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/02/13 17:11:48
CCinNJ

Never made sourdough in the bread machine. You need yeast for a sourdough starter.


Never use yeast in a sourdough starter. You can use it with a sourdough starter but you're not going to get the same flavor.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/13 18:33:41
Sorry. In conjunction with the sourdough starter for the bread machine.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/02/13 18:41:22
will_work_4_bbq

lleechef

CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.

If you tell your story in Nashville, I'll tell my exploding Boston cream pie story.

You're on!  But don't forget, NO exaggeration!! 

post edited by lleechef - 2012/02/13 18:44:22
rajdhani
Junior Burger
Re:Bread making 2012/08/17 03:32:51
I make bread occasionally and it usually turns out pretty well. The main tips seem to be to get really good strong flour, knead it really well for a long time, pulling and stretching as you turn it
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Bread making 2012/08/17 04:09:52
The type of flour makes a difference.
Bread machine flour and bread flour are the same thing, according to KingArthurFlour.com. Bread flour and all-purpose flour are not. According to TLC Cooking, the main difference between types of flour is the gluten content. All-purpose flour is made from a blend of high-gluten hard wheat and low-gluten soft wheat, with up to 14 percent less protein than bread flour. Bread flour is an unbleached blend of mostly hard wheat, giving it a high gluten content. All-purpose flour can be used for bread baking, but the resulting loaves won't be as successful as those made with bread flour.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Bread making 2012/08/17 04:14:14
The type of yeast makes a difference.
Active dry yeast takes twice as long to rise as bread machine yeast. Traditional yeast needs two risings compared with only one with bread machine yeast. Bread machine yeast is more finely ground so it absorbs moisture faster. The sugars convert sooner to carbon dioxide and make the dough rise.
Active dry yeast creates a stronger signature yeast taste and aroma. Bread machine yeast has a more subtle smell and taste.
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/08/18 00:33:50
Foodbme......you are correct on flour..............and also air humidity can affect how well the flour granules absorb and rise. If you..OP.. are gonna use a bread machine for the full cycle ( I only use it to mix most times), a few tricks:
 
Add a tsp or 2 of lemon juice.the acid helps the yeast and much better than adding more yeast which gives it an off flavor
 
You add anything besides flour liquid, yeast, and salt.............let the machine run through the first knead cycle. Shut it off......wait 20-30 minutes,,start over from scratch.and if you have a Whole Wheat Settting...even better.  My Zoji makes great Sourdough and Whole wheat "Sandwich-style" loaves doing that
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Bread making 2012/08/18 03:50:46
My Grandma made delicious Breads. She always used "Cake Yeast" AKA fresh compressed yeast. Here's a source for yeast and other baking products. You can sign up for their "Frequent Flour" Program  and accumulate points towards future purchases. http://nybakers.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6
Antilope
Hamburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/24 21:25:30
REAL SOURDOUGH BREAD IN A BREAD MACHINE

If your machine has separate DOUGH and BAKE cycles, you can use it to make real sourdough bread.
I use separate DOUGH and BAKE cycles on my Bread Machine. This allows the sourdough to rise at its own rate without using any yeast.

I use Carl's 1847 Oregon Trail Sourdough. You can get a dried starter for free with a self addressed stamped envelope. Just Google Carl's 1847 Oregon Trail Sourdough. An older gentleman use to give away starter that was in his family for over 100 years. After he died, his internet friends continue to send out free sourdough starter. I've kept my starter alive in the fridge for about 5 years now.

Ingredients:
For 1 1/2-lb. loaf

2/3 cup lukewarm water 
1/2 cup active sourdough starter (bubbly and active)
1 Tablespoon granulated sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons table salt
2 Tablespoons olive oil
3 1/2 cups All-Purpose Flour

Place ingredients in bread machine in order given above or according to your bread machines instructions.
 
Start bread machine on DOUGH cycle.

I use a rubber spatula to help the bread maker, if needed, for the first couple of minutes of mixing by pushing any dry lumps into the mixing blade. Adjust dough to proper consistency with more flour or water as needed to make a firm, non-sticky dough that could be kneaded by hand.

Let the machine bread machine complete its DOUGH cycle kneading (about 1/2 hour) and rise (about 1 hour more).

Immediately after the kneading stops, I remove the kneading paddle and press the dough evenly into the bottom of the bread machine mixing pan. I then turn off my bread machine and unplug it.

I now monitor the dough and allow it to rise to the top of the mixing pan (It takes about 12 to 15 hours for mine. This can vary depending on your starter, room temperature, etc.).

When the dough has risen to the top of the bread pan, I start the manual BAKE cycle. My machine bakes the bread for 1 hour.

Remove from machine immediately, slice off fresh baked pieces, spread with butter and enjoy.

Makes one 1 1/2 lb loaf.
post edited by Antilope - 2012/12/24 21:39:31
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/12/24 21:33:36
Welcome to Roadfood Antilope!
Antilope
Hamburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/24 21:38:19
Here's another favorite bread machine recipe I developed:
 
King's Hawaiian Bread Copycat for Bread Machine

This recipe makes a single 2-pound loaf.

Ingredients

3/4 cup pineapple juice (from heavy syrup, canned)*
1 egg
1/3 cup white granulated sugar
1/3 cup plain yogurt
1/3 cup prepared mashed potatoes (from instant ok)
3/4 teaspoon table salt
1/4 teaspoon ground dried ginger
1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract
1/4 teaspoon lemon extract
2 drops yellow food coloring (optional)
1 pkg bread machine or instant yeast (2 1/4 teaspoons)
4 Tablespoons Butter Flavored Crisco, softened
4 to 4 1/2 cups all-purpose flour

Directions

1. In a mixing bowl, stir together the pineapple juice, egg, sugar, yogurt, mashed potatoes, salt, ginger, vanilla extract, lemon extract, yellow food coloring (optional), and bread machine or instant yeast. Mix well. Add mixed ingredients to bread machine.

2. Add Butter Flavored Crisco, in Tablespoon sized pieces, to the bread machine.

3. Add 4 cups of all-purpose flour to the bread machine.

4. Set the bread machine for Sweet Bread Cycle (or White Bread if your machine doesn't have a Sweet Bread Cycle) and 2 pound loaf, medium color crust. Press Start.

5. After dough has mixed for a few minutes, add a little water or flour as needed to form a smooth ball of dough. It should be a smooth dough ball that holds its shape and not like a batter.

6. When the bread is done, remove from machine and allow to cool before slicing.


*There is about 3/4 cup of liquid in a 20 oz can of Pineapple. Add a little water if necessary to make 3/4 cup. Save the Pineapple pieces for another use.
Antilope
Hamburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/25 00:51:01
CCinNJ

Welcome to Roadfood Antilope!

 
Thank you for the welcome CCinNJ. I appreciate it! 
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Bread making 2012/12/25 09:50:53
My pleasure.

What type of bread machine do you have?

I enjoy the bread machine because I don't have much of a natural instinct to want to bake...so it's like doing laundry (which I enjoy) and getting a loaf of bread instead of clothes at the end of the cycle.

Phishmonger
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/25 10:34:20
I also use a bread machine for all the bread I use. As I am on a gluten-free diet, it's the only way I can get acceptable bread, as the frozen stuff is ghastly. I use "Gluten Free Pantry" brand (their Sandwich Bread type) and it's great. Easy prep, too. Also use it for GF bread crumbs, essential for meatballs, meatloaf, breading for baking, etc. I have a Sunbeam machine, just a basic type, and it works fine. I'm often tempted to make the dough, then take it out to rise and bake in the oven, but have determined that's too much work :>). Cheers and a Merry Christmas to all! I enjoy all the forum conversations daily.
kevincad
Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/25 10:38:40
lleechef

I also don't use a bread machine.  I agree with everything Davydd has said above.  The one thing I learned is to ignore that "let rise 1 1/2 hours or until doubled in bulk".  Forget about the time.  Temperature, humidity and altitude have a lot to do with yeast.  Sometimes it has taken my dough 3 hours to double.  Just be patient. 

But then there was the time I decided to capture wild yeast in the air.......no, I won't go into that here.

Guess I never thought of getting a bread machine because my great-grandmother, grandfather and mother all made it by hand.   

There are a lot of similarities to bread making and beer making! I've also (accidently) captured wild yeast when brewing, and it's not a good thing!!!
Antilope
Hamburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/25 12:23:34
CCinNJ

My pleasure.

What type of bread machine do you have?

I enjoy the bread machine because I don't have much of a natural instinct to want to bake...so it's like doing laundry (which I enjoy) and getting a loaf of bread instead of clothes at the end of the cycle.

 
I currently have a Breadman. It was on sale at Amazon, that's why I got it, even though my old machine still works, it is a Sunbeam. They all work about the same. I just make sure to get one with separate cycles so I can just use the Dough and Bake cycles as needed.
Antilope
Hamburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/25 12:28:17
Olive Bread for Bread Machine

I created this recipe by combining several olive bread recipes. I baked a loaf recently and my family really likes it. 
The olives, rosemary and basil releases a wonderful aroma while it's baking and carries through to the finished product when you eat it. Try it warm spread with butter. It makes wonderful savory toast the next day.

Makes one 2-lb loaf

Ingredients:

2 tablespoons olive oil
1/3 cup of brine (juice) from jar of green olives,
1 1/3 cups of warm water
2 tablespoons honey
1 teaspoon table salt
1 1/2 teaspoons dried leaf basil
1 1/2 teaspoons crushed dry rosemary 
4 cups all-purpose flour
2/3 cup whole wheat flour
2 1/4 teaspoons (or 1 packet) active dry, bread machine or instant yeast

1/3 cup drained black olives, sliced into fine rings
1/3 cup drained green olives, sliced into fine rings (pimento stuffed olives ok)

Preparation:

Mix 1/3 cup of olive brine in a 2-cup measure; add enough warm water to make a total of 1 2/3 cups of liquid. 

Add all ingredients (except for the sliced olives) into the bread machine in the order given. 

Select Basic or White Bread setting; 2-lb loaf; medium crust.

If required, add more water or flour, a tablespoon at a time, to form a firm, slightly sticky, non-crumbly
ball of dough.

Add the sliced olives at the beep.

Makes one 2-lb loaf of olive bread.
fabulousoyster
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Bread making 2012/12/27 21:24:56
A little sugar and yeast in the machine should do it.