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CajunKing
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"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 6:45 PM
That is right baseball fans Spring training starts in 14 days (2-18-12), with the first games around 3-4-12.  I can not wait.  I am not a basketball fan and hockey is ok, but with football over tomorrow, and racing season a month away I am ready for the "Boys of Summer" to get to work.
 
There is nothing better than a warm spring day, sitting in the park listening to WLW or WGN AM radio and BASEBALL in late Feb or early March.
 
The NL Central should get interesting this year with the departures of King Albert and Prince Fielder to the AL

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 6:52 PM
I've got the Cactus League schedule on my wall at work.  The addition of Pujols makes the Angels games attractive.  I've plotted out a 4 game weekend, but am not sure I can pull it off.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 7:08 PM
Baseball on the radio is fun.

John Sterling. Oh I can't.

He is the radio announcer for the Yankees.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 7:22 PM
I grew up with an AM transistor radio summer nights with Marty & Joe on REDS radio or WGN and my cubbies afternoons if the weather was right (before the lights went up at wrigley)
 
Nothing like the warm sun on your face, the smell of fresh clean spring air, and the crack of the wooden bats and the "peanuts get your peanuts" in the back ground

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 7:23 PM
JRPfeff


I've got the Cactus League schedule on my wall at work.  The addition of Pujols makes the Angels games attractive.  I've plotted out a 4 game weekend, but am not sure I can pull it off.

 
OH SURE RUB IT IN 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 8:40 PM
When I was young I used to love slowly trolling the AM dial to see what stations and games I could pick up and in far north central Illinois that usually meant that the long-distance broadcasts involved the Cardinals, Reds, Indians, and Tigers.
 
I don't expect the White Sox to contend this year but it will be interesting to see what the young players can do.  The loss of Fielder may or may not hurt the Brewers, depending on how well his replacement combines with new 3B Aramis Ramirez.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 9:09 PM
Clicking slowly on a clear night we get a good signal for the Orioles.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/4/12 9:16 PM
I live in Port St Lucie, Fl where the Mets train, unfortunately spring training especially on the east coast of Florida may be going away soon. We only have the Marlins, Cardinals in Jupiter and the Nationals in Viera left on this side of the state in addition to the Mets. Rumor is the Nationals may be the next to go. These teams don't like travel during spring even if it's a 2 hour trip across the state.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/5/12 8:51 AM
CajunKing - If I was rubbing it in I would have mentioned that the reason I won't pull off 4 games in 72 hours is that I have a golf lesson scheduled on the Saturday of that weekend.  Scratch that.  The golf lesson is a different weekend on Monday.  I can actually get in 5 games in 69 hours (or 6 in 75) when night games are considered.  I'm looking at LAA at CLE, CWS at MIL, KC at AZ, LAD at MIL, and MIL at CLE CHC at AZ* (& CIN at TX optional) from 7:00 on Friday to 1:00 on Monday (7:00 Monday optional).  Anyone want to tag along?
 
* Changed my plans again. My golf lesson is on Monday, the Cubs-Dbacks game is only 7 minutes from the golf course.
 
ces1948 - That is too bad, the tradition of Florida spring training baseball is something I would hate to see go away.  Two hours is not that long.  It takes one hour to get across Phoenix between some of the spring training sites.  Playing the same teams will get boring for fans & players. In the Cactus League, they typical play a home and away against each of the teams and are done.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/5/12 9:20 AM
The Nationals spring training facility is less than a 15 minute drive from our house. I stopped going to the games because the visiting team is almost always a "split squad". Going east-west in central FL is seldom a direct route, so most of the veterns on the visiting team opt to stay at their training facilitiy rather than taking the long, round-trip bus ride.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/5/12 9:27 AM
Wonder who is going to sign Cespedes, the Cuban wunderkind? 
 
He'd be a natural for the Miami Marlins, but I'm hoping for the Rangers - especially given the general "fragility" of my favorite player - Josh Hamilton.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/5/12 12:28 PM
Of course, in the fine tradition of Cuban ballplayers no one can be sure of Cespedes' real age...
 
The White Sox have generally been successful when it comes to Cubans and I'm hoping that the current presence of Alexei Ramirez and Dayan Viciedo can work in their favor.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 9:03 AM
ScreamingChicken


Of course, in the fine tradition of Cuban ballplayers no one can be sure of Cespedes' real age...



True, but check this list of native Cubanos who have played in the majors:  http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/Cuba_born.shtml .  That's quite a talent pool!
 
If I "ran things" I'd solve the "Castro problem" in one fell swoop simply be giving Habana a MLB franchise.  The Castros couldn't resist and the inevitable intrusion of U.S. media into that closed society would soon sow the seeds of freedom. 
 
 Then maybe I could get real sugar in my Coca Cola instead of high fructose corn syrup!

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 9:21 AM
<<When I was young I used to love slowly trolling the AM dial to see what stations and games I could pick up and in far north central Illinois that usually meant that the long-distance broadcasts involved the Cardinals, Reds, Indians, and Tigers. >>
 
Young?? I STILL do that.  Ain't nothing like sitting outside on a warm spring/summer night and twirling thru the dial on my trusty Grundig S350 listening to games from all  over, Major and Minor Leagues. On a busy Friday night a few years ago I decided to keep a count, and picked up 17 different games.
 
I realize that with MLB.Com you can now pick up all MLB radio broadcasts, with the right gadgets for a reasonable fee, but it just aint the same.


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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 12:56 PM
After the parade down the Canyon of Heroes for my WORLD CHAMPION Giants, I can devote full attention to my Yankees as they prepare for Ring # 28!!!!

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 1:18 PM
ken8038


Ain't nothing like sitting outside on a warm spring/summer night and twirling thru the dial on my trusty Grundig S350 listening to games from all  over, Major and Minor Leagues. On a busy Friday night a few years ago I decided to keep a count, and picked up 17 different games.


Upgrading to a quality AM receiver probably make quite a difference regarding the number of games I can pick up.  Back in the '70s I had a GE portable (the black, box-shaped model that seemed to be around forever) that worked pretty good but since then I've used mostly a clock radio or something similar with less than impressive results.
 
At first I thought a "Grundig S350" was a special edition Mercedes...
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 1:42 PM
Cubbies have it locked up!!!  No if, ands or butts!

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 1:49 PM
One of the great pleasures of my Pittsburgh youth was listening to Bob Prince's and Jim "the possum" Woods' vivid descriptions of the Pitates' games on KDKA. 
 
For some reason the KMOX night signal was very strong where we lived so we also enjoyed Harry Caray, Jack Buck, and the Cards on nights when the Buccos weren't playing. 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 2:26 PM
Growing up in central California about 100 miles north of  Los Angeles listened to the Dodger games with Vin Scully. Loved the Dodgers and knew every name on the roster but never saw them play in person until mid 70's when they trained in Vero Beach, Fl
Edited to add Jerry Doggett as Scully's partner during most of the years I listened. Had completely forgotten him and had to look up on Wikipedia.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 5:18 PM
ChiTownDiner

Cubbies have it locked up!!!  No if, ands or butts!

 
YOU BETCHA!!!
 
(singing) "GO CUBS GO, GO CUBS GO, HEY CHICAGO WHAT DO YOU SAY? THE CUBS ARE GOING TO WIN TODAY..."
 
Sucks they got rid of Rami, but we got a lot of young talent that should just improve with age
 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Mon, 02/6/12 9:25 PM
The closest I'll admit to having "feelings" about Baseball is when I watch "Field of Dreams".  I'm not one to watch a whole game anywhere.... much less do more than an inning or two in front of the TV. I wasn't always this way...but sure am now.  (Same goes for Hockey, and Pro B-Ball)  Sorry to rain on anyone's fan club session (TTM ) but if ain't College B-Ball or Pro Football, you probably won't see it on my screen !

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 12:41 AM
Wasn't it only about fifteen years ago that people were predicting the demise of the Cactus League? I seem to remember that they were down to about 5-6 teams and everybody else was in Florida. What did they do to put the shoe on the other foot?
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 9:00 AM
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After the parade down the Canyon of Heroes for my WORLD CHAMPION Giants, I can devote full attention to my Yankees as they prepare for Ring # 28!!!!


Isn't the left side of that infield getting a little long in the tooth?  Proof?  Your thirdbaseman even dated Madonna!

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 9:28 AM
Pity the Pirates. 
 
They are the baseball equivalent of the Detroit Lions.  Instead of "The Curse of Bobby Layne", they are afflicted by "The Curse of Barry Bonds". 
 
After the once Mighty Buccos decided they couldn't afford him from 1993 - forward their fate went straight downhill.  Now they are the AAA team for the clubs with the big $$$.  The talent they signed, developed, and couldn't afford to retain would be a WS winner if it could be reassembled: Jose Bautista, Aramis Ramirez, etc. ad infinitum.  Their only hope is for Mark Cuban (a native Burgher) to buy the team to be one of his "ego toys".
 
I wish MLB would reorganize along the lines of the NFL where even tiny markets like Indy and Jax have hope of winning the big prize.  It's no accident that the Rangers are winning these days; they have the fourth biggest market (the three larger ones have two teams each) and the wealthiest owners in MLB.
 
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 9:48 AM
There are still 15 teams in Florida which is the same amount as in Cactus league. The majority of teams based in Florida are concentrated on the west coast part of the state. Many teams enjoyed sweetheart taxpayer funded deals to move which may also be the case in Arizona. The east coast of Florida has lost the Dodgers, Yankees, Orioles. The Dodgers left Vero Beach for Arizona and the Yankees and Orioles went to the west coast of Florida.
The teams on the Gulf coast simply don't want to travel across the state (2-3 hours) to play a spring training game. 
 
CNW


Wasn't it only about fifteen years ago that people were predicting the demise of the Cactus League? I seem to remember that they were down to about 5-6 teams and everybody else was in Florida. What did they do to put the shoe on the other foot?

CNW



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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 10:11 AM
That's a little revisionist history on Jose Bautista. The Pirates did draft him, but lost him in the Rule 5 draft. He then bounced between the Royals, Rays, and Mets organizations before being traded BACK to Pittsburgh  in the legendary Kris Benson trade.  When the Pirates traded him to the Blue Jays, he was in midst of hitting .230 and only making about $1.5 million.  They didn't trade him because they couldn't afford him - they traded him because he stunk.  NO ONE could have seen Jose Bautista's most recent two seasons coming.
 
Yes, they couldn't afford to keep Ramirez, but who else?  Where is this all-star team you speak of?  The real reason the Pirates have been awful is poor management.  Having the #1 pick in the draft and using it on Bryan Bullington - who, may have been the first #1 draft pick ever to be called a bust before the draft ended.
 
The Pirates have, historically, had one of the worst scouting and development departments in baseball.  This list is the entire history of Pirates top draft picks.  Of their numerous Top 10 picks, Bonds is the only Hall of Fame-caliber player (not debating his Hall candidacy, just his statistical performance on the field). Maholm was a below league-average player, Benson was a .500 pitcher and McCutchen has had a nice start to his career.  Of course, the jury is still out on the most recent picks, but this is an entire collections of bums, has-beens, and never-weres. This list is even better.  You can blame MLB distribution of income on a lot of things, but the Pirates are an historically mismanaged franchise.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 10:16 AM
Just for a point of comparison, a team that has also suffered from baseball's misaligned finance system (can't afford to keep the players they develop), the Oakland A's, since 1984 have developed the following Top 10 draft picks: Marl McGwire, Eric Chavez, Ben Grieve, Mark Mulder, and Barry Zito. Walt Weiss and Nick Swisher fall just outside the Top 10.  THAT is a team that cannot afford to keep its own good players.  The Pirates just have bad players.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 11:10 AM
Me, I miss going to the Polo Grounds to watch the New York Giants. Now I'm stuck checking the paper to see how they're doing out there in some part of California. Heck, I can't even find out Mel Ott's batting average these days.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 11:51 AM
Look at the bright side.  It probably hasn't changed much since the last time you looked.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 12:06 PM
Probably not. Last time I looked it was .304.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 12:41 PM
Thanks for the info on the Pirates, TTM.
 
You are correct, the Buccos scouting and management has been deficient.  Given that wonderful ballpark, a great tradition, and a loyal fan-base it's a damn shame. 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/7/12 2:33 PM
No worries.  I can rail against the financial inequities in baseball with the best of 'em.  But, the Pirates dug this hole themselves.
 
Unfortunately, a direct result of their poor scouting and development of players is that they can't attract decent free agents to come and play for them. Edwin Jackson turned down a 3 year/$30 million deal from the Pirates to take a 1 year, $11M deal from the Nats.  He TURNED DOWN $19 million to NOT play for the Pirates. Oswalt has no offers on the table from anyone has rebuffed the Pirates, as well (reportedly) the Brewers and Tigers, too.  You'd think that these guys would give the Pirates a shot. - (A) I don't know that you can hold current management and ownership responsible for the failings of the previous regime; (B) You'd think that a contender might like an arm like Edwin Jackson or Roy Oswalt at the trade deadline (teams did last year), so you're really only committing to half a season in purgatory, with a chance to help turn a franchise around; and (C) I would think pitching in that park - even beauty aside - would be good for both of those pitchers' careers.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Tue, 02/21/12 9:36 PM
my beloved mariners started spring training early(the M's and A's will open the season in Tokyo). i sure hope that young Montero will help the woeful offense and that Justin Smoak will improve this year. But the M's have no chance of beating the rangers and Angels so it will be another long year for us.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Wed, 02/22/12 4:57 AM
As a Yankee die=hard,I can tell you, you got a great hitter in Montero...enjoy...he should help...he will one day be a big star!

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Wed, 02/22/12 10:04 AM
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No worries.  I can rail against the financial inequities in baseball with the best of 'em.  But, the Pirates dug this hole themselves.

Unfortunately, a direct result of their poor scouting and development of players is that they can't attract decent free agents to come and play for them. Edwin Jackson turned down a 3 year/$30 million deal from the Pirates to take a 1 year, $11M deal from the Nats.  He TURNED DOWN $19 million to NOT play for the Pirates. Oswalt has no offers on the table from anyone has rebuffed the Pirates, as well (reportedly) the Brewers and Tigers, too.  You'd think that these guys would give the Pirates a shot. - (A) I don't know that you can hold current management and ownership responsible for the failings of the previous regime; (B) You'd think that a contender might like an arm like Edwin Jackson or Roy Oswalt at the trade deadline (teams did last year), so you're really only committing to half a season in purgatory, with a chance to help turn a franchise around; and (C) I would think pitching in that park - even beauty aside - would be good for both of those pitchers' careers.


Wow. 
 
And now these geni have traded/contracted for a notorious "head case": A.J.
 
A Pittsburgh boy, Mark Cuban, loves toys. 
 
His NBA "toy" won a championship about which DFW barely noticed.
 
In terms of wealth, he's "small potatos" in Dallas but could be a hero in his hometown.
 
Sell him the Pirates.
 
Please!
 
 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Wed, 02/22/12 10:13 AM
I think Burnett falls into category B that TTM listed.  He's 35 and has had some arm problems over the years, but if he's pitching reasonably well as the trade deadline approaches and the Pirates are out of the NL Central race (they did hang in for a surprisingly long time last season) he could be moved to a contender.
 
Cuban + Pirates = Steinbrenner?
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Thu, 02/23/12 11:20 AM
ScreamingChicken


Cuban + Pirates = Steinbrenner?

Brad


The Pittsburgh market is not big enough for that.
 
I would hope, somehow, that he would become a "Rooney" with deeper pockets.
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Thu, 02/23/12 4:05 PM
I just went through the Cubs spring training roster
 
WHO THE HELL ARE THESE NOBODY'S and WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE KNOWN PLAYERS?????
 
Cubs suck this year!!!!!

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Thu, 02/23/12 9:02 PM
I heard a terrific interview of Bob Uecker on Phoenix Sports-Talk radio this evening.  Uke needs no Spring Training, he is already in mid-season form.  Click here to hear the interview (its in the 4:00 to 5:00 segment).  I don't know how long they'll keep this up, so the sooner, the better.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 11:26 AM
CajunKing


I just went through the Cubs spring training roster

WHO THE HELL ARE THESE NOBODY'S and WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE KNOWN PLAYERS?????

Cubs suck this year!!!!!


Excuse me, but isn't your new GM a self-recognized genius? 
 
I'd advise patience, something Cub fans have in abundance.
 
(Not to whine, but didn't my Buccos just set a record for consecutive losing seasons?).
 
I live in Dallas now and the local team - (stolen long ago from DC by that vile Minneapolis trucker Bob Short) - now has the ownership group with the deepest pockets in MLB. 
 
And, they had better sense than to pay $250MM to either Pujols or Fielder for .300/30/100 for 5 or so years from first base.  
 
Laissez les bon temps roullez! 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 11:43 AM
A's fans:  if Cespedes pans out, they'll make a new movie about Billy Beane.  I think the Marlins really blew it both about that and also paying so much for a fragile hotdog to play SS for them.
 
Cardinals fans:  I can share your pain only by imagining The Great One leaving the Pirates.  That never happened.  Thank God.  Well, you'll always have The Man
 
Detroit fans:  The great Verlander doen't strike out everybody.  Cabrera at 3B?  YIKES!  The Rangers will see you in the playoffs. 
 
Oriole fans:  Congratulations, you stole Chris Davis.  That could well be the trade of the 21st. Century.  He won't make you forget Gentile, Powell, Murray, or Palmeiro but he will pepper Eutaw St. and maybe even put a nick or two in the warehouse.  You don't know him yet; just wait!  And he also plays great "D". 
 
Given how long it took the Rangers to develop Nellie Cruz; I can't believe they gave up on DavisMitch Moreland is not even a third the player Davis is.
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 1:01 PM
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Cardinals fans:  I can share your pain only by imagining The Great One leaving the Pirates.  That never happened.  Thank God.  Well, you'll always have The Man


Wayne Gretzky played for the Pirates?

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 1:05 PM
As glad as I am that Ryan Braun's 50-game suspension was overturned, it would've been a lot more convincing had it happened because something went wrong with the sample or lab work instead of a technicality.  Even though I suspect he'll come out of this with most of his reputation intact some will always have some doubts now.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 2:49 PM
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MetroplexJim


Cardinals fans:  I can share your pain only by imagining The Great One leaving the Pirates.  That never happened.  Thank God.  Well, you'll always have The Man


Wayne Gretzky played for the Pirates?


Well before Mr. Gretzky there was this rightfielder, #21 in your program, whom the Pirates' broadcaster, Bob Prince, labelled The Great One
 
Both Willie Mays and Henry Aaron called him the "best they ever played against".

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 7:19 PM
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As glad as I am that Ryan Braun's 50-game suspension was overturned, it would've been a lot more convincing had it happened because something went wrong with the sample or lab work instead of a technicality.  Even though I suspect he'll come out of this with most of his reputation intact some will always have some doubts now.


The whole "steroids era" crap pi$$es me off for the simple reason that when Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens et al. were what is now, with vitrol and condescention, called "doping" it was by THE (SACRED) RULES OF MLB was not forbidden
 
Really, WTF does anyone reasonably expect a competitive athlete to do with 10's of millions at stake?  Or a prideful Barry Bonds to do near the end of an already HOF career when he saw (relative) ass-clowns hitting 60+ HR?    
 
The last time I looked ex post facto laws are forbidden by the Constitution.  And now these poor, dumb bastards are being harrassed by perjury prosecutions.  At least they, unlike Shoeless Joe, can afford it!
 
And what are the "purists" going to do about the players who today routinely buy "Ted Williams' eyes" from their local LASIK surgeon?
 
TV or video doesn't count.  In my fortunate life I saw in person Koufax and Clemente: OMG!; they were transcendant, electric.  They owned the ballpark. 
 
And Spahn, Mays, Aaron, Musial, Gibson ... and, later, the "dopers": (Barry) Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, and Clemens, before and after their "crimes".  If the latter four aren't HOF-ers, KMA! 
 
Steroids may let you hit the ball farther, but they don't let you put the bat on the ball more effectively.  For a few years toward the end of his career Barry Bonds laid the bat on the ball better than anyone I ever saw. 
 
I would attribute that far more to LASIK than steroids.
 
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So, I glad Braun "beat it", too. 
 
Maybe he, like me, suffers from "low T". 
 
The young, comely Mrs. Metro isn't going to give me a "50 night suspension" because I rub "the clear" into my thighs after showering in the morning!
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Fri, 02/24/12 7:58 PM
No increase in weight.
 
No increase in strength.
 
No increase in speed.
 
No change in batting average.
 
No change in power.
 
If Braun was doping, he needs to get his money back.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 2:39 AM
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No increase in weight.

No increase in strength.

No increase in speed.

No change in batting average.

No change in power.

If Braun was doping, he needs to get his money back.

 
The samples showed extremely high testosterone levels as well as evidence of synthetic testosterone.  The only thing they have to hang their hat on was a procedural screw-up- the veracity of the tests were never challenged.
Braun did a good job being convincing at his press conference.  However, the science clearly says otherwise.
As to "no changes in this or that......", if he's been cycling on and off of it for years, he wouldn't show changes in vitals or stats over the last five years.  Moreover, steroids don't have to make you freakishly large to be effective.   Also, there are several masking agents that can hide test results, so it's possible to use for a long period of time.
Braun's argument is laughable.  It's like someone getting back blood sugar tests that are high and insisting they are not diabetic even though the test results show otherwise.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 10:28 AM
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Braun's argument is laughable.  It's like someone getting back blood sugar tests that are high and insisting they are not diabetic even though the test results show otherwise.

To quote Penn Jillette, Bull****!  One extremely high A1C reading (4 times the next highest ever for anyone!) after a decade of normal readings does not make you diabetic. Especially when you immediately give another sample that is normal.  The lab screwed up.  It happens.  Go have a donut.
 
In a legal setting, it is a typical strategy to go with your strongest argument and stop there.  Braun had no need or obligation to dispute the veracity of the tests. MLB could not prove that the sample that was tested came from Braun's bladder and was delivered untainted to the testing lab.  Since MLB has a zero tolerance policy for players, MLB had better be 100% perfect in their sampling and testing procedures.
 
If players can routinely fool "the highest quality drug testing program of any professional sports organization in the world system" at a 96% rate by "cycling on and off of it for years," then the MLB testing program proves nothing.  By that logic, more than 9 of 10 players can be cheaters (Hello Albert...) and never test positive for PED's.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 12:14 PM
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No increase in weight.

No increase in strength.

No increase in speed.

No change in batting average.

No change in power.

If Braun was doping, he needs to get his money back.


To me, this is his strongest argument.
What did he have to gain? 
He's signed for another decade for nearly $200MM!
 
His careeer is progressing very normally for a player of his calibre: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/braunry02.shtml
 
Here's a real anomaly:  57 HR "out of nowhere" in 2001: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzalu01.shtml
 

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 12:24 PM
As of now, the only thing that was proven was that there was a "a chain of custody" issue in regards to the sample.  Braun got off on a technicality that has nothing to do with disproving his guilt.  Moreover, the seals on the sample weren't broken, and there was no degradation of the sample.  There was no evidence of the sample being tampered with whatsoever. 
Then here comes Braun, just like Rafael Palmeiro, wagging his finger and saying "I never did it".  That's where your BS comes in.
 
In regards to the MLB testing program, are you aware that Bonds never tested positive for steroids?
I get it.  You're a Brewers fan, and Braun is your guy.  But Braun in now way has cleared his name here by disproving these tests.  All he did was have an attorney that showed that the tester didn't follow protocol.  But that doesn't prove that the tests are incorrect, or that not following protocol affected the samples.  Remember- seals intact, and no degradation of the sample.
One other thing- the abnormally high T:E ratio isn't a record.  The media has been recording that his 30:1 ratio is extremely high and shows a lab problem issue, but ratios as high as 80:1 have been reported.
Just another black eye for baseball, and just another steroid user pissing on the game.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 5:50 PM
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Then here comes Braun, just like Rafael Palmeiro, wagging his finger and saying "I never did it".  That's where your BS comes in.


 
Yeah, the Palmeiro thing was pretty sad.  And, in retrospect, the numbers he put up post-age 33 do look a bit suspect:  http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/palmera01.shtml .
 
That said, remember that he was the first active pro-player that did ads for Viagra.  Maybe he just had "low T".

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 6:21 PM
When an athlete, or someone who excerises alot gets tested, hormones are high. End of story.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sat, 02/25/12 6:32 PM
AND-good for Ryan Braun-fought for what was right.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 1:46 AM
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When an athlete, or someone who excerises alot gets tested, hormones are high. End of story.

 
You're not serious, are you?   Have you read anything about this story, or steroid testing in general?  A average epitestosterone ratio is 1:1.  A high normal one is 4:1.  According to reports, Braun's was somewhere between 20:1 and 30:1- making it pretty clear that something was awry.  The sample was sealed in a tamper-proof bag in a tamper-proof box.  Braun won his case on a technicality, not because he proved that he didn't have something foreign in his system.  That's a fact.  End of story.
 



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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 8:49 AM
The only thing Ryan Braun will ever test positive for is TOO MUCH MOJO.

Too bad for you Bartman.

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 9:13 AM
Will the madness ever end?
 
I heard a major investigation is underway, looking into the possibility that two Roadfood Champs may have been "doping" on their last eating tour.  If true, they will be stripped of their trophies and have to perform community service as busboys at Olive Garden.
 

 
Say it ain't so

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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 9:16 AM
Re: Braun -  whatever, whatever; whether or not; why and how will come out with the wash.
 
May God's Gift, delivered upon prayer and supplication from the knees of our founders, the Constitution of the United States of America, continue to Bless "We the People".
 
 
 
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 2:15 PM
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The only thing Ryan Braun will ever test positive for is TOO MUCH MOJO. 

If MOJO is a steroid, you're absolutely right.
 
I remember how vehemently the Giants fans defended Barry Bonds' as well.


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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 8:06 PM
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The only thing Ryan Braun will ever test positive for is TOO MUCH MOJO. 

If MOJO is a steroid, you're absolutely right.

I remember how vehemently the Giants fans defended Barry Bonds' as well.

What did Bonds ever do that was against the "Rules of the Game" as they were then written?
 
Yes, once one has reached the age of 30, one's hat and shoe size is pretty much fixed for life. 
 
Bonds' sizes increased. 
 
And I think we agree that was not from just "working out".
 
OK?
 
We agree.
 
But again: what did Bonds ever do that was against the "Rules of the Game" as they were then written?
 
Yet again still, ex post facto "laws" are absolutely forbidden under the Constitution.
 
BTW: for several reasons I think Barry Bonds is an a$$hole.
 
But "a$$holery" is not a crime.  
 
He is my fellow Citizen.
 
Though - in Bonds' case - my teeth may grit, my hand will not falter if called again to protect and defend the Constitution.  
  
 
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Re:"Hey Batter Batter, Sah WING Batter" Baseball 2012 - Sun, 02/26/12 8:55 PM
Jim- anabolic steroids have been illegal in the U.S. since around 1990.  That's why Balco and Victor Conte were such a big deal- they broke the law, as Bonds did by illegally obtaining and using them.  MLB and it's players obviously fall under the jurisdiction of U.S. law.  There isn't and never was any special dispensation that allowed players to use steroids in baseball while there was already federal law forbidding it.  In fact, Faye Vincent sent memos to the clubs and players union in 1991 reminding them that steroids were illegal:
 
 "This memorandum sets forth Baseball's drug policy." "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited.... This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs ... including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription."
 
   The only thing that really changed was that testing was put in place in 2004 and there were provisions made for suspensions.
 

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