Hot!how long is your electrical shore power wire for power?

Post
Bistro a go-go
Cheeseburger
2012/05/11 19:41:46
if you can hook up to event power, how long is your power line from truck/trailer to the end of wire?
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 20:04:53
150 feet
jack
Bistro a go-go
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 21:03:13
what size wire do you use? seems like any wire that long loses wattage at that length...what do you think is a minimum footage of wire?
PurpleCheetah
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 21:08:49
I have a question that pertains to that.
Ok tell me if this is correct:
 
generator has a 30A turn lock plug, I have a 30amp plug to plug into it on 10-4 wire 7 ft long ( so basically I made a cable ) that I plug into an outlet http://www.homedepot.com/...utlet-94600.html  on my passenger side, then from this outlet I run 10-4 wire to my main breaker box.
 
Is this the way to do this? I thought I would need the receptacle box in case I am in a location that has power the I can just plug right into the receptacle with my 100ft cord to power my breaker box
Bistro a go-go
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 21:48:06
that will work just fine.
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 22:28:49
10-4 wire and I require min 30 amps. Yes the distance  or length of wire comes into play but I have never had a problem with my system.
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 22:33:05
PurpleCheetah

I have a question that pertains to that.
Ok tell me if this is correct:

generator has a 30A turn lock plug, I have a 30amp plug to plug into it on 10-4 wire 7 ft long ( so basically I made a cable ) that I plug into an outlet http://www.homedepot.com/...utlet-94600.html  on my passenger side, then from this outlet I run 10-4 wire to my main breaker box.

Is this the way to do this? I thought I would need the receptacle box in case I am in a location that has power the I can just plug right into the receptacle with my 100ft cord to power my breaker box

 
You just need a 10-4 wire with two males. One for your shore power and the other for your outlet. No big deal except you need to plug into your outlet first then into your shore power. Otherwise you have a hot end in your hand if you do it the other way round.
chefbuba
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/11 23:07:40
75' + 25 ' of #6-4
Buck & Vi's
Double Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/12 11:20:22
dont know how long it is buit its a pia when i have to pull it all in!! ...or back out!!  ;>)
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/12 11:33:04
Your right about that Buck, and when you have to coil it up and throw it on your shoulder to carry it somewhere.
Bistro a go-go
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/21 11:58:51
what does 75 plus 25 ft of 6/4 mean? where does the 6/4 go and how?
chefbuba
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/21 14:30:58
100' of 6 gauge 4 wire cable.
PurpleCheetah
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/23 19:09:46
Chef Y the heavier gauge wire?
chefbuba
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/23 20:00:03
50amp service
lornaschinske
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/23 22:28:15
30 amp service.  40 ft 14/3 attached to the cart (our standard cord & my former "christmas tree" cord) powers the AC unit only. We bring our blue 100 ft 12/3 cord for events... just in case (it is always stored in the Jeep). When we swap over to ice cream and have to run the chest freezer, we will change the 14/3 cord to one of my heavy 50 ft 12/3 cords . We used to be construction workers... we are extension cord poor. We have so many heavy duty 12/3 extension cords that we no longer need, that we are using them to wire up the "house" wiring on the bus. And we will still have cords left over.
 
The generator I ordered is supposed to be here on Friday. We will still carry the blue extension cord with us for events... just in case.
 
As for our long runs... we have had longer runs when working on houses and running air compressors, table saws, circular saws, drills and a big lathe once  on the same cords run off of temporary power poles. Never a problem.
post edited by lornaschinske - 2012/05/23 22:35:11
edwmax
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/24 08:40:54
Use this wire size calculator.   Just enter the length of cord and service amps.  It's one I found quickly.   It doesn't mean a smaller wire will not work, but does indicate a smaller wire would have more heat & energy loss and likely not meet code requirements.   .... Oh, 1/2 of the circuit length is equal to the length of the power cord.
 
http://www.csgnetwork.com/wiresizecalc.html
post edited by edwmax - 2012/05/24 08:45:27
Bistro a go-go
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/24 12:06:29
im using 6/4 but wondered whats the longest anyone has ever had to pull the wire to the pole. one guy said theyde never put you farther than 50 ft from power pole. is this correct?
edwmax
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/24 13:26:50
#6 wire is good up to 120 ft for 30 amps; & up to 70 ft for 50 amps
 
you said " ...one guy said theyde never put you farther than 50 ft from power pole. ..."   This is just telling a vendor he should not expect to need more than 50 ft of power cord.
Bistro a go-go
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/25 08:10:57
ed, no thats the trailer builder north of atlanta. i didnt say i believed it, just what I was told. i think ill do the 100 ft unless folks think i need more.
lornaschinske
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/25 16:33:23
We have used every inch of our cords when strung together. That's 140 ft.
kingofcreams
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/29 14:01:07
Dr of BBQ

PurpleCheetah

I have a question that pertains to that.
Ok tell me if this is correct:

generator has a 30A turn lock plug, I have a 30amp plug to plug into it on 10-4 wire 7 ft long ( so basically I made a cable ) that I plug into an outlet http://www.homedepot.com/...utlet-94600.html  on my passenger side, then from this outlet I run 10-4 wire to my main breaker box.

Is this the way to do this? I thought I would need the receptacle box in case I am in a location that has power the I can just plug right into the receptacle with my 100ft cord to power my breaker box


You just need a 10-4 wire with two males. One for your shore power and the other for your outlet. No big deal except you need to plug into your outlet first then into your shore power. Otherwise you have a hot end in your hand if you do it the other way round.
 
Ah.... if you have two male ends on a cord you will be shut down in 1 second by any onsite electical inspector. The shore power end should be male and the other end needs to be female that way if for some reason the non shore power end becomes unplugged theres no risk of shocking anyone. I learned this 3 years ago believe me and I was almost shut down by the state inspector but he allowed me to use a  different cord and didn't allow me to plug in my main panel.  What I have is a small section of cable wired directly to my service panel to the outside with a male on it which I can then plug the female end of my extension cable to which has a male end to the shore power. 
kingofcreams
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/29 14:05:18
For my ice cream truck I only had a 35 foot cord and this wasn't long enough at about half of the locations I attend. With my trailer build I am using a 100 foot cord and this should be long enough at all my events
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/29 14:47:51
"if you have two male ends on a cord you will be shut down in 1 second by any onsite electical inspector."
 
That may be true is some areas but not all
 
 "What I have is a small section of cable wired directly to my service panel to the outside with a male on it" 
 
That's the same thing. LOL
PurpleCheetah
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/31 18:24:49
kingofcreams

Dr of BBQ

PurpleCheetah

I have a question that pertains to that.
Ok tell me if this is correct:

generator has a 30A turn lock plug, I have a 30amp plug to plug into it on 10-4 wire 7 ft long ( so basically I made a cable ) that I plug into an outlet http://www.homedepot.com/...utlet-94600.html  on my passenger side, then from this outlet I run 10-4 wire to my main breaker box.

Is this the way to do this? I thought I would need the receptacle box in case I am in a location that has power the I can just plug right into the receptacle with my 100ft cord to power my breaker box


You just need a 10-4 wire with two males. One for your shore power and the other for your outlet. No big deal except you need to plug into your outlet first then into your shore power. Otherwise you have a hot end in your hand if you do it the other way round.
 
Ah.... if you have two male ends on a cord you will be shut down in 1 second by any onsite electical inspector. The shore power end should be male and the other end needs to be female that way if for some reason the non shore power end becomes unplugged theres no risk of shocking anyone. I learned this 3 years ago believe me and I was almost shut down by the state inspector but he allowed me to use a  different cord and didn't allow me to plug in my main panel.  What I have is a small section of cable wired directly to my service panel to the outside with a male on it which I can then plug the female end of my extension cable to which has a male end to the shore power. 

 
I think I know what you mean KoC I'll do some looking around and figure out if I can confirm EXACTLY what you mean, thanks.
PurpleCheetah
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/05/31 18:26:03
Dr of BBQ

"if you have two male ends on a cord you will be shut down in 1 second by any onsite electical inspector."

That may be true is some areas but not all

"What I have is a small section of cable wired directly to my service panel to the outside with a male on it" 

That's the same thing. LOL

Head is spinning...really need to do some research, lol
kingofcreams
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/13 09:50:51
PurpleCheetah

Dr of BBQ

"if you have two male ends on a cord you will be shut down in 1 second by any onsite electical inspector."

That may be true is some areas but not all

"What I have is a small section of cable wired directly to my service panel to the outside with a male on it" 

That's the same thing. LOL

Head is spinning...really need to do some research, lol

Take a look at my picture to see if it helps you. Off of my breaker panel (inside) i ran my cable outside through the wall with a male end twist lock plug. My extension cord consistists of a female twist lock end that plugs into the male portion of the 2 foot piece from my breaker. The shore power side is a male plug. Dr may be right that not all inspectors will shut you down but it's just a matter of switching the ends around and this way you'll have no danger or liability of having live (hot) ends of a cord exposed in the open.

RCDoggin
Junior Burger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/13 12:27:10
This is an EXCELLENT set-up.  If you'll notice, the connection is also up off the ground so any spillage isn't a concern and if kids were to swing on it, which they will, it won't be coming loose with the twist-locks.  Your area may or may not allow a two-male cord but why would you risk zapping the hell out of someone's kids just because an inspector said it was okay to have?     
 
Have a little class and consideration by doing it the right way. 
 
 
PurpleCheetah
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/14 18:51:35
I see how it works now had to print it out to take along on my re shopping trip, thanks
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/14 19:53:55
With all do respect I would never hang a line down the side of a truck or trailer like that. It's going to swing all over the place going down the road. And it just attracts way to much attention to your power cord. And with today's junk metal prices you might as well put a sign on it that says steal me.
 
They make boxes with a lockable door that can be mounted anywhere. You flip it open and plug in. You unplug it and close and lock the door. It's simple when done correctly.
 
And as for the silliness about kids swinging on it, LMAO that would be a dead kid. If the 220 didn't get him then I or a member of my team would. We'd have that little piglet bound and gaged waiting for the cops in a heartbeat. LOL
RCDoggin
Junior Burger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/15 13:41:18
Dr, are you serious?  Look at the condition of the rig and the attention to detail.  Do you really believe this man (or woman) would be going down the road with a cord beating against the side of it?
 
 As for the silliness, that's just the attitude to have regarding safety around people.  These forums are for people to get ideas from the information that's shared and incorporate them into their own operations for the better.  The man didn't have to go to all the trouble of taking the pic and posting it but he did.  What do you do?  You rip him for not having a feature in an area the pic doesn't even show.  Do you want to share accurate, positive  info or be the know-it-all with, as you said yourself, a hot end in your hand.  Just brilliant.
chefbuba
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/15 14:36:40
Trent's back


Yy
Buck & Vi's
Double Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/16 19:02:33
roh roh
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/16 20:33:10
RCDoggin Dr, are you serious?  Look at the condition of the rig and the attention to detail.  Do you really believe this man (or woman) would be going down the road with a cord beating against the side of it?

As for the silliness, that's just the attitude to have regarding safety around people.  You rip him for not having a feature in an area the pic doesn't even show.  Do you want to share accurate, positive  info or be the know-it-all with, as you said yourself, a hot end in your hand.  Just brilliant.

 
Hell yes I was serious look at the picture. How are you going to secure it while traveling?

As for regarding safety around people, that's a joke. First I don't believe it's my job to protect people from themselves. But that said I have done a ton of events and never had anyone touch in anyway a power cord. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to that. “I cannot give you the formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure - which is: Try to please everybody.” Herbert Bayard Swope (first recipient of the Pulitzer Prize for Reporting in 1917)


post edited by Dr of BBQ - 2012/06/17 13:29:28
kingofcreams
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2012/06/19 11:05:47
PurpleCheetah

I see how it works now had to print it out to take along on my re shopping trip, thanks


your welcome. Glad I can be of some assistance.
 
My thoughts on theft of a cord like this are: if someone has it in their mind that they are going to steal your cord, there gonna steal your cord. At most places I go to there is no locked box on the shore power side so all a person would have to do is unplug it from there and take your cord. Even if the twist lock end was in a locked box all they would have to do is cut the cord. Any cutting pliers would go through it. Some would even do it hot if they really wanted it. Besides, although cords are very expensive and noone wants to lose one, I am much more worried about the loss of all my ice cream and refer'd foods that I'd lose if someone were to steal my cord. Like I said, it would be unavoidable once someone has decided to steal your cord. As for the swinging around. I mounted a conduit clamp to the side of my rig which prevents it from swinging around.
scott2152
Junior Burger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2013/06/20 17:57:23
Jack,
 
You seem extremely knowledgeable. If you could provide me with any info it would be greatly appreciated!!
 I just purchased a trailer with 50 AMP service.  When you go to a fair or festival what is the usual length of cord they require?  Where would you suggest a good place to purchase one? Do they usually provide cord covers if the connection passes a walkway or do you provide them? 
 
Thank you for any info you can provide!
Scott
daddywoofdawg
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2013/06/21 06:23:44
In one of my trailers i run 30 amp so I have two 50ft cords.easier to carry than 100 ft.
In my other I have 50 amp but Have been running 30 amp.If your running 30 amp then 8/3 will be good buy the cord you don't save making it yourself.I looked!Get two 50 fter's easier to carry and wipe the mud off when rolling it back up.Get yourself one of those garden hose reels and keep the cord stored on it,pretty slick!
Dr of BBQ
Filet Mignon
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2013/06/22 08:22:27
scott2152
Jack,
You seem extremely knowledgeable. If you could provide me with any info it would be greatly appreciated!!
I just purchased a trailer with 50 AMP service.  When you go to a fair or festival what is the usual length of cord they require?  Where would you suggest a good place to purchase one? Do they usually provide cord covers if the connection passes a walkway or do you provide them? 

Thank you for any info you can provide!
Scott

 
Scott,
First buy the correct wire, are you running a 3 or 4 wire system. Most trailers and trucks run a 4 wire system which includes a ground that runs back to the electrical source. And some events require a four wire system here in Illinois.
 
I use a single 100 foot cord but two fifty's is a good idea (as per above) as long as your not in an area where wire theft is a problem.
 
When you mention "cord covers" I'm not sure what you mean? I work some events where my water hose goes across a sidewalk and the event people throw a piece of carpet over it. I don't like it but after several years no problems. 
 
If your talking about one of these:

 
They are expensive. But your most likely over thinking , or worrying about something that you need not worry about. Remember your not the first vendor to be at the event and what ever you'll be doing someone else has done before. And usually the event people have figured out how to make the event safe and protect the people that attend. Ask before you sign up if there are any special needs that are required by your team.
 
Monday I'm going to a meeting at our local DAV to inspect their kitchen for an event they want me to do July 4th/fireworks show. If the kitchen is as new and up to date as they say I'm not even taking my trailer I'll just pre-cook everything and the day of the event work with their equipment. Should be a good event. 
 
Good luck
Jack
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:how long is your electrical shore power wire for power? 2014/02/17 23:42:41
Dr of BBQ

"if you have two male ends on a cord you will be shut down in 1 second by any onsite electical inspector."

That may be true is some areas but not all

"What I have is a small section of cable wired directly to my service panel to the outside with a male on it" 

That's the same thing. LOL

I don't understand why it would be the same thing. The hook-up for my generator would be female. My inlet (much like an RV) would be male. This would mean I either have a short cable with a female end to plug into the inlet on the truck and a male end to plug into the generator output, or I would have a cable with a male end hardwired into my truck. Either way, the truck would have a male end connecting it to its power source.