The end of the daily newspaper?

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ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
2012/05/24 21:58:00
I saw today where the company that owns the Birmingham News, The Huntsville Times and The Mobile Press Register (Alabama) announced that beginning this fall the papers will only be published 3 days a week. I don't know how many newspaper readers we have here but this is sad news for me as I've read the paper daily for many many years.
I have lived in a lot of places and can't recall not subscribing to or at least buying the local newspaper on a almost daily basis.
 
 
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/24 22:15:07
This trend is happening all over the country. As advertisers find other modes of advertising, the cash cow is drying up. No milk, no paper.
chefbuba
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/24 23:10:41
Where I'm at, the paper is printed once a week, on Wednesday.
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 00:34:53
Ours went to three days a week a while ago, too. What's weird is they won't even publish obituaries online unless it's one of the regular publishing days. Made it a little hard to schedule my aunt's funeral.
Glenn1234
Double Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 02:33:14
 
The newpaper is a dying breed.   With the convenience and the proliferation of the internet, people are not seeing the need to read yesterday's old news in a paper when they can get updated, current news online. 
 
 
Glenn
 
 
RodBangkok
Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 03:02:08
We used to get both english dailies here in Bangkok, have not had delivery in about 7 years, and in that time I think I've picked up a newspaper less than 10 times.  I think the popularity of smart phones and pads will rapidly increase the decline of printed news.  Now theres more of trend for what I read to see pay for web site news also.  Many news sites used to be totally free, now many I see are adding paid content sections.  Gotta be a rough business for newspapers everywhere now.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 05:06:09
The days of the free standing, small, single, print newspapers are rapidly disappearing and are being replaced by the major Multimedia companies like Gannett.  The company’s 82 U.S. daily newspapers, including USA TODAY, reach 11.6 million readers every weekday and 12 million readers every Sunday, providing important news and information from their customers’ neighborhoods and around the globe. USA TODAY, the nation's No. 1 newspaper in print circulation, and USATODAY.com reach a combined 5.9 million readers daily.
The Broadcasting Division’s 23 TV stations reach 21 million households, covering 18.2 percent of the U.S. population. Through its Captivate subsidiary, the Broadcasting Division delivers news, information and advertising to a highly desirable audience demographic on 9,500 video screens located in elevators of office towers and select hotel lobbies in 25 major cities across North America.
What's the significance?
Their 82 Newspapers reach 12 million readers.
And most of that # is in 1 paper, USA Today!
Their 23 TV Stations reach 56 milllion viewers!
Do the cost effectiveness math!
Supermarket Chains put their weekly ads on their web site. Don't need those costly Newspaper inserts. Just a small ad that says, "Go to our web site for this weeks Specials."
The largest Supermarket chain in AZ is Fry's, (Part of Kroger). I get a weekly newsletter with 20-30 coupon offers. I just click on the coupons I use and it automatically goes on my Fry's Discount Card so when I go to the store and pick up that item and check out, I automatically get "The DEAL" credited at the register. Don't even need to clip the newspaper coupon any more! The store saves tremendous operating costs by not having to physically handle all those paper coupons to get their vendor rebates.
When the Supermarkets and Auto Dealers pull their ads, the newspapers are doomed to extinction.
A HS friend of mine died this week.
Another friend sent me his Obituary directly from the Funeral Home's web site.
No Newspaper needed.
99.9% of all jobs available can be found on the internet.
Just received a bill from our newspaper for 6 months subscription for just under $60.00
We only get the paper twice a week on Wednesday & Sunday. Won't be renewing!
wheregreggeats.com
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 06:33:23
We've had discussions in the past about restaurants skimping and making compromises and then blaming the economy when they eventually fail.
Our friends at the daily newspaper are unfortunately blazing the same trail in a way.
For some reason many newspapers seem to feel that the last thing we need is what we want ... pages of stale, leftover national and International AP news and precious little local coverage ... when what we want is the exact opposite.
75 cents for a 12 or maybe 16  page daily paper ??? !!!
Hey newspapers, it isn't the economy ... give us less and you will get less reward.
 
carlton pierre
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 07:58:28
Sad to see.  I read a newspaper evryday of my life for as long as I could read.  I tutored kids in reading and used the newspaper as a tool.  It's s ad to see them become a thing of the past but I quit buying a newspaper three years ago.  I still miss it and feel a little guilty, but I haven't started buying again.
I found a newspaper I'd saved since 1972 recently and was amazed at the size of it and the amount of info it contained.   
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 09:27:15
Yesterday also found the New Orleans Times Picayune going to a 3 days weekly publication schedule. Good grief, I may havce to break down and buy not only a cell phone but a smart one at that.
! Nooooo.
 
ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 09:39:21
wheregreggeats.com

For some reason many newspapers seem to feel that the last thing we need is what we want ... pages of stale, leftover national and International AP news and precious little local coverage ... when what we want is the exact opposite.


2 of the 4 papers I subscribe to are local weeklies and they're the ones I look forward most to reading, because of the local content.  Although both have websites now as well.
 
But technology will never replace the feeling of turning the pages while relaxing outside on a warm Saturday or Sunday morning.  My grandfather and uncle owned and edited a weekly newspaper for many years and I can't imagine life without the rustle of newsprint.
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 09:57:03
I don't own a smartphone so I can't comment but perusing a newspaper on a computer as opposed to holding one in your hands is completely different and somewhat unpleasant imo.
Now, like many others I am mainly interested in local stories as I have generally already read the national stuff on websites. I also actually like the sales ads (except car dealers) and I am a coupon clipper.
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 14:11:03
Some cures for papers. Make the type twice as large, drop the comics, have clever obit writers, balance the opinion, equal weight to the left, right, and middle. National and international oddball stories, folks love them!
Your cures?
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 14:47:03
My primary cure, and the reason I stopped reading our local paper in about 1992, is to learn proper grammar, spelling and punctuation. When I cancelled my subscription less than a year after starting it, they asked why. I told them I cannot make myself sit down and read a newspaper I have to correct with a red pen.
 
Based on their online news, the problem still exists. I also notice it in local papers from other cities, so apparently it's more widespread than just here. Only the national papers tend to have passed that part of their English education.
fishtaco
Double Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/25 15:13:30
This is a sad, sad trend. To me one of lifes pleasures is snapping that paper open in the morning.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 05:49:13
I mentioned in my post above that we got our bill for six months subscription. My bride still likes to read the paper which we only get on Wed & Sun so she called the paper and complained about the price. They cut the price in half!
They will do anything to keep subscribers because their audited circulation numbers are what determines their ad rates and ads pay the bills.
Call your paper and tell them you're thinking about canceling and I'll bet you get a lower rate or some free months!
ken8038
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 10:13:58
I've been reading the NY Times online for probably 10 years. Saves paper, my hands stay clean, costs less (about $15 per month since they started charging about a year ago), and it's always there when I'm ready (no "the truck broke down" delivery problems). I'm totally OK with it.
 
One thing, I use my laptop for my online newspaper reading rather than a smartphone. No squinting necessary.
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 10:39:44
ken8038, I'll probably do the same as you as the NYT still has the in depth articles I can no longer find in my local Milwaukee Sentinel. I do need local shopping info, coupons and local event news that an out of town paper can't give me. I've pretty much read newspapers cover to cover from at least age 10 on and delivered them when I was a kid. My emotional attachment just won't be satisfied on line.
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 12:49:07
I like what Warren Buffet said the other day about his recent purchase of 60 some smaller daily and weekly papers.
Paraphrasing. "There are several places you can read about what's happening in Afghanistan but your local paper is where you read about what's going on in your town"
mr chips
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 12:59:26
Sad news this. I feel like a dinosaur. locally the biggest movie theater chain stopped running movie times in the paper as im sure most of their audience now finds out movie times via smart phone. Don'tlike what i think the future will bring.
post edited by mr chips - 2012/05/26 18:04:19
BelleReve
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 13:33:22
Yes, our only local paper, the Times Picayune will cut back in the Fall, to 3 times a week, Wed-Fri-Sun.
 
One of the joys of retirement is reading the morning paper with that first cup of coffee.  
MilwFoodlovers
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 14:03:30
BelleReve, whenever I visit NOLA, I have a Times Picayune outside my room door.
Some nice strong coffee, some fresh OJ and perhaps a Croissant D'Or out in the courtyard to go with the paper for a nice start to the day.
How can that be substituted?
BelleReve
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 15:43:43
MilwFoodlovers - you are so right, doesn't get any better.  For years I had an hour's commute to work, would drink a cup of tea while getting dressed, pick up coffee to go at a  convenience store, and a paper only certain days of the week, etc.  Now I live close to a bakery that makes French pastries, including a variety of filled croissants which I'm sampling my way through, and can read the paper cover to cover - 
mbrookes
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/26 23:30:07
Where else can I get the funnies? I know some are on line, but I like all of the ones I regularly read lined up in the paper.
 
Felix4067, I also have problems with the grammar, or lack there of, used in the paper. I also have trouble listening to national news broadcasts for the same reason. What is wrong with those people?
 
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 11:36:27
You might find this story interesting -- about the demise of copyeditors, who, in my opinion, have been absolutely essential in terms of maintaining standards of grammar, syntax, spelling, and accuracy. 
I was a copy editor very briefly in my short journalism career. It demands special talents which are rapidly disappearing.
http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=1698
 
 
wheregreggeats.com
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 14:32:51
ces1948

I like what Warren Buffet said the other day about his recent purchase of 60 some smaller daily and weekly papers.
Paraphrasing. "There are several places you can read about what's happening in Afghanistan but your local paper is where you read about what's going on in your town"

For the fun of it, I looked at today's local paper here.
What WB says is true ... but in our case, the local paper was full of news from 'Afghanistan' and there were less than 20 items that could be considered local ... maybe 5 from "Main Street.'
 
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 16:31:54
I started delivering a daily newspaper at age 8 for my older brother and had my own route at age 10. The newspaper is part of my DNA now. I'm a happy camper because the Minneapolis Star Tribune started publishing the printed facsimile again that I can read on my iPad. Web based systems just don't cut it but the printed facsimile editions help when you are on the road a third of the year.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 16:43:32
Davydd

I started delivering a daily newspaper at age 8 for my older brother and had my own route at age 10. The newspaper is part of my DNA now. I'm a happy camper because the Minneapolis Star Tribune started publishing the printed facsimile again that I can read on my iPad. Web based systems just don't cut it but the printed facsimile editions help when you are on the road a third of the year.

 
Like you Davydd:  I started my paper route at age 8.  I carried about 150 paper with my bicycle six miles every day.  Sunday's were hard because of the huge paper but I did it.  When I first started, weekly papers were 0.25 weekly.  Most paid promptly but some did not and in fact many cheated me but it taught me a lot of lessons about how to negotiate.  Some I lost but most I won.  That life lesson still remains with me today and it taught me a lot about my retired and current business.  A great experience that I will never ever forget although sometimes through rain, snow and heat it was difficult.
 
I still enjoy reading the daily newspaper with Mamaw Smith every morning at 5:00AM with coffee but I guess it is a matter of time before the printed media expires.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN 

kland01s
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 16:44:14
Of my local papers (non Chicago), one publishes Tues-Sat and the other Sun-Fri. I subscribe to both. Between the two I do get local news but I read the Chicago papers on line for a broader picture. I don't know what else I would do when I read the paper and eat breakfast at 6:30 without a newspaper! Plus I love the comics and some are difficult to find online.  
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 18:04:22
chewingthefat

Some cures for papers. Make the type twice as large, drop the comics, have clever obit writers, balance the opinion, equal weight to the left, right, and middle. National and international oddball stories, folks love them!
Your cures?


Stop the "opinion creep" into the news stories!  With the demise of its competition Associated Press has become infested with "reporters" and "editors" who write and permit this B.S.  I really miss the "old school" guys like my late former neighbor David Broder of the WaPo; he'd state his opinions in his op-ed columns, but his news stories were straight news.
post edited by MetroplexJim - 2012/05/29 18:05:32
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/29 20:23:06
Paul,

We were responsible for collecting as well as delivering. Every Friday evening and Saturday morning I had to collect individually from every customer. Some were dead beats that you had to go after repeatedly. Nevertheless, every Saturday morning we had to pay the paper at a station house and what was left over was our earnings. I had a morning route and had to deliver the paper before 6 AM seven days a week, 365 days a year to prevent getting complaints. I probably walked 3 miles every morning. In retrospect that was quite a responsibility for a kid. I don't think there is any equivalent for that experience today.

The Sunday paper was a killer. It was huge. Since I had a route and my older brother and cousin also had routes my dad helped us out with divided up drops along the way. When we were done he would collect us and take us out for breakfast.
bartl
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/31 14:51:31
Even web-based local papers are in trouble. AOL/Huffington Post goes into towns, sets up a local website called "The Patch", hires some local out of work journalist for like $35K per year, gives them a budget for stringers and vacation substitution, waits until the local media is out of business, then takes away the budget, hoping that the stringers will be willing to work for free by pretending that it's something called "hyper-local" rather than a multi-billion dollar operation.
 
Bart
improviser
Double Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/05/31 15:37:51
The problem is on several fronts. For some reason, corporations got the idea that you can make money hand-over-fist in the newspaper business. The reality is, you can make a living owning a paper, but you're not going to get rich. About 80 percent of a newspaper's costs are fixed - transportation, the cost of ink, the cost of the paper. There's only so much you can cut there, so you have to make your cuts in that remaining 20 percent.
 
What gets cut at a local paper? Well, your older reporters are making too much money, the bean counters say, so they have to go. Nevermind that they have the knowledge base that is critical and have developed a loyal reader base over the years, we'll kick them out the door and replace them with somebody fresh out of school. And we'll pay the newbies a buck more than minimum wage and squeeze as much as we can out of them before they burn out and quit.
 
What else gets cut? Well, we're printing too many sections/editions, so that gets cut. Nevermind that you're cutting your available ad space in half, it means we can lay off pressmen and buy a cheaper press.
 
We'll centralize our ad production, laying off the ad builders who had personal relationships with their customers and knew what they wanted and how to make their ads pop off the page. Our ad builders at the centralized location are so overworked that they don't have time to give any ad the personal touch, so the ads look bland, but we saved a few salaries.
 
We'll either ignore the Internet altogether or we'll put a website up long after the horse has left the barn and our readers are used to getting their news elsewhere. The industry treated their news like it didn't have value, giving it away for free on their sites. Now many outfits are trying to put up paywalls - but readers are used to not paying for their content, so that's a tough hill to climb.
 
I don't know the solution. But it seems to me the bigger newspaper outfits are ignoring the one thing they have that their competitors don't - local news, local content, local knowledge, local relationships. They cut and cut and cut until the remaining skeleton crews don't have the time or energy to pursue those local stories that the other guys aren't covering.
 
By the way, I just started with Patch after 5 years with weekly newspapers and I'm loving every minute of it.  Is Patch like bartl describes? It's too soon for me to say, as I literally started last week, but I will say this: Patch has given me more opportunities for training in the last two weeks than my former employer gave me in the last four years.  Training is how you develop your people. Treating it as a line-item that can be cut is a huge, huge mistake.
My feeling is Patch can help a newspaper website by linking to stories and driving those visitors back to the original newspaper site. I would hate to see the area weeklies go out of business. But they're being hurt far more by their ownership than by any threat Patch poses, I really believe. 
post edited by improviser - 2012/05/31 15:39:51
sk bob
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/06/03 22:11:57
I like reading the local paper every day & look forward to it. I COULDN'T  imagine going into the "library" with an Ipad or whatever those things are.
for the first time in over a year our paper didn't get delivered today. we called, gave them our info & within 45 mins. it was at the front door.
cut back mail delivery to 5 days a week but don't cut back on the newspaper.
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/06/04 18:06:09
I see where some if not all of the Gannett papers online are now going to a pay model. I clicked on stories from the Nashville Tennessean and the Des Moines, Iowa and a got a popup saying I only had a few "free" articles left. Don't know all the details though.
MikeS.
Fire Safety Admin
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/06/05 01:08:31
I stopped subscribing to a newspaper many years ago. New was fresher and FREE online. Now I see where NYT has been charging and I bet a few more are or soon will be.
I learned to read and count at age 3-4 using a paper and my Mom. My kids did as well.
I really love my iPad but haven't started using it for publications. I do think that will soon change though.
 
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/06/05 04:46:23
If you think the Vanishing Newspapers are causing you heartburn, here's a list of other things going the way of the DoDo Bird.
Sooner rather than later i.e. "Almost Gone List":
Answering Machines
Tube TV's
Phone Books
Bank Deposit Slips
Subway Tokens
Rolodexes
Printed Encyclopedias
Film
Incandescent Light Bulbs
 
Within the next 50 years or sooner:
Home Phones
CD's, DVD's, Video Game Discs, and their players
Gasoline Pumps - (Can you say Batteries & Hydrogen)
Business Cards
Analog Clocks
Toilet Paper -(Replaced by Toilet Seat Bidets)
Printed Road Maps
Language Barriers, (Replaced by Portable Translation Software)
Money - Bills & Coins. (By 2020 only 10% of all transactions will be in cash.)
Desktop PC's
Passwords- (Replaced by facial recognition.)
Steering Wheels -(Replaced by robotic cars)
Cursive Handwriting (4 States have already dropped it in Schools)
SOURCE:
AARP Bulletin June 2012 Edition
 
 
boyardee65
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/06/05 15:27:07
chefbuba

Where I'm at, the paper is printed once a week, on Wednesday.

    Same here, on Wednesdays. Good local coverage and H.S. sports scores mostly. The biggest section is the opinions pages, go figure.
ann peeples
Sirloin
Re:The end of the daily newspaper? 2012/06/06 18:24:44
I worked for the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel in the late 80's thru the mid nineties.What an exciting place to be back then! Circulation was high as a result of my telemarketing department( I was a supervisor), advertising was a huge part of the paper, and it was so much fun to be there when huge stories broke, as word ran rampant thru the building. Nowadays I rarely buy a newspaper, as I get what I need online from them.Apparently they do charge now after viewing so many articles, which I have never hit the limit.
Its sad to me, because the printed word is becoming obsolete.